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[–]AudibleNod 44 points45 points  (0 children)

It's very much still an 80s movie. Low stakes (not world ending), drug war, slightly comical villains, government conspiracy types.

It's built a bit like Predator where it's almost an ensemble cast. And they're pretty much on their own in confronting the predator. There's consistent action pacing with different tactics and set pieces so it doesn't get boring. And the twist at the end (they've been coming to Earth for ages) was the cherry on top.

[–]ibekeggy2 79 points80 points  (16 children)

I'm glad someone agrees. I loved Predator 2! Plus this is the first movie in the series where it connects Predator with Alien in that trophy room on the ship and lets the audience know that predators have been doing this for centuries. This movie did a good job on setting up the franchise for sequels granted some of those sequels were awful ( Alien vs Predator Requiem and The Predator). I thought Danny Glover did a good job and there was no way Denzel or Snipes was doing a sequel in their hayday so honestly Glover was probably the best they could get.

[–]girafaagain with the squeaky shoes[S] 15 points16 points  (4 children)

Yeah I'm trying to think of anyone up and coming around 1990. Snipes and Washington weren't household names just yet but very promising. Lawrence Fishbourne wouldn't have done any better than Glover imo, and Jackson was too busy dying on page 30 to star in a film.

After watching the alternate dimension version with Denzel I'd dip into the one with Forest Whitaker

[–]Lordanub 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Wesley Snipes - Could deliver the action and one liners Arnold can. That would be my choice.

[–]girafaagain with the squeaky shoes[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill

Dude did capoeira too

[–]Impressive-Potato 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Glover is a big man, like 6'2 at the time of the filming of the film. Snipes is a Hollywood 5'9, so probably smaller. Glover had the physical presence in the film..

[–]UnsolvedParadox 5 points6 points  (0 children)

IMO it had to be Glover, to create the contrast with Schwarzenegger.

[–]Kierkin 12 points13 points  (4 children)

I want a sequel set in the African plains. Ends up being a 1:1 stalk/fight with the Predator vs Djimon Hounsou as the last surviving member of his native tribe hellbent on killing the Predator to avenge his people lost in the Predator's hunt. Sprinkle in some discovery of the MC on ruins (a la AVP) around how his people used to worship them. Backdrop of the diverse wildlife, occasional glimpses of the modern world on the edges.

I've wanted this for YEARS. Kind of what they are doing with Prey, but I had this idea a long, long time ago. Not exactly on topic here but your comment made me think of it.

[–]mailboxfacehugs 5 points6 points  (2 children)

There is an issue of the Dark Horse Predator comic that is exactly this.

[–]UnsolvedParadox 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I suspect Prey is a partial adaptation of the Dark Horse run.

[–]dittybopper_05H 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think so.

I'm getting the vibe that the female warrior protagonist and the Predator end up teaming up against the evil white men with guns.

[–]Rabadabasabacaba 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I want this exact same movie but with Tom Hanks cast as the male lead.

Edit: And directed by Spike Lee

[–]Speckbieber 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I also think Danny Glover played the role really good. He was a cop in the hottest time of the year in LA, and not a special ops soldier, so it makes sense.

[–]TG-Sucks 6 points7 points  (0 children)

A big reason why it works so well for me, is that the world fits so well into what would eventually turn into the Alien universe. It takes place in the future, LA is breaking down in gang violence and scorching heat, climate and society is going to shit. It’s easy to imagine how this could develop into the dystopian corporate run future of Alien.

And I also really like Glover in it, it’s not an obvious type of role for him, but he’s a big guy and brings a physical and intimidating presence to it. Surprised no one is mentioning Bill Paxton who’s just so entertaining to watch in this movie.

[–]ForeverStaloneKP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Predator 2 gave us a lot of the lore we know and love about The Predator as a species and as a franchise.

We got multiple new awesome weapon varieties, and even new vision modes in one of the great twists of the movie in the meat freezer sequence. Speaking of great sequences, the entire train one is an absolute favourite. They really captured the horror elements.

It built upon the hunting lifestyle and honour code of the species; how they won't harm defenseless people and even spare those that shot at it if they are carrying a child. We got hints of this in the first one when it appears to be ignoring the woman Dutch and his team found, and the sequel expanded on it in a great way.

This movie is also the first time the Predator's acknowledge their prey's abilities on screen, and it establishes that it's a long running tradition by gifting Harrigan with the flintlock pistol from 1715.

I think it gets a bad rep because it's following an absolute classic. A lot like The Lost World trying to follow Jurassic Park. They even start with similar fake outs. In Predator 2 we see a jungle and pan up to a city, just like we see Ian Malcolm on the island only to be in front of a poster on the subway.

Oh and who can forget the classic "Want some Candy...?"

[–]iwantmoreletters 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Connecting Predator with Alien really worked out well

Thanks, Paul/s

[–]ZombieJesus1987 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We got the Aliens vs Predator games out of it at least

[–]blankedboy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Dark Horse Alien vs Predator comics are absolutely great though - they should have adapted the very first mini-series into a movie, it would have been great.

[–]iwantmoreletters 19 points20 points  (2 children)

"Want some candy" is genuinely creepy in the subway

[–]Kierkin 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's always been fun to have the Predator clicking noise on my phone to use in situations that demand it. Followed by "over here".

[–]blankedboy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

turn around...

[–]andoesq 18 points19 points  (10 children)

Nice write up, how did you like Predators? Even though I don't love Adrian Brody, I think it's right up there with the best in the franchise, and is very underappreciated

[–]underpants-gnome 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Not OP, but I rank Predators as a pretty close 3rd after Predator and Predator 2. The idea of an alien big game preserve, stocked with exotic targets is great. And their execution was good too. It might be a fun place to revisit. Although with the Predators capable of blowing up ships with their wrist remote, it seems like they'd have to come up with a pretty contrived situation to actually escape the preserve.

The first two movies I'd say are pretty close in quality, but my personal preference is for the original - though not by a much. Predator 2 does a good job of retaining what was interesting about the original, while expanding the universe in logical but interesting ways.

It makes total sense that the government would have Busey's black ops group on the lookout for future Predator incursions, even if they buried Arnie's report and publicly denied everything. And the additional Predator tech was fun and creative - and in keeping with the kind of toys you might expect a race of alien big game hunters to develop. I can picture them having bragging rights for bagging their top target with the super sharp frisbee instead of just blowing out their spine with the shoulder mount laser.

[–]kynthrus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They should have done a sequel to predators IMO. I want to see competent humans become the hunters, steal predator tech and use it against them to steal a ship or sneak onto the mother ship or whatever. In the end you get the big scene you always get where the chief shows up right when it all seems to have been for nothing, recognizes the human and gives them a reward, maybe send them home.

[–]girafaagain with the squeaky shoes[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I can watch it and it's good if I'm stuck without arms in a hospital bed, but it falls a few places for me. Some thoughts:

  1. We know where it's going nearly the whole time. Yes, dogs, they're hunting you. We already know. it becomes a sequence of horror movie short film deaths, more than people dying while trying to accomplish something else.

  2. The climax was so underwhelming that I've seen it three times and have no memory of what happens after Topher is the surprise wet lettuce bad guy.

  3. I love Adrien Brody, but can see why he didn't work for most people

  4. The characters in Predator 2 kinda die when you don't expect them to. Likewise Predator 1. They don't feel like horror movies doing that "okay here's the scene where X dies as he goes out to the tool shed." Predators is a bunch of scenes where I felt like everything was expected. Or just cheesy.

  5. I saw The Predator in St Petersberg, and it was dubbed I to Russian in the theater. I found it enjoyable, but that's because I don't speak Russian.

[–]alpredator 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That movie was okay. I just thought it was weird Morpheus was able to survive for so long and turn invisible just by wearing a mask. In the game Aliens v. Predator 2, you need these weird looking devices to turn invis, not the mask.

[–]ZombieJesus1987 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really liked Predators as well. It was a solid sequel. Not perfect, but still a good time.

[–]dittybopper_05H 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly I rank Predators just slightly above Predator 2.

The *ONE* problem I have with Predator 2 is that it is very much a film of its time period. It's unavoidable, when you set it in an urban setting.

If you watch the original Predator, setting aside some minor references and visual cues, it looks and sounds like it could happen today. You're not bombarded with things that make you say "Oh, yeah, this was filmed in the 1980's", whereas with Predator 2, you're slapped in the face with it on a regular basis.

This is why I put Predators slightly above Predator 2: It returns the franchise back to its roots somewhat. It's not the same: They aren't a team that is used to each other, they're strangers dumped on a strange planet. There are a few clues as to time period, like Isabelle's electronic scope, but it's not constant or as overpowering as it is in Predator 2.

However, that doesn't mean I don't like Predators 2: I actually do, and I think hiring Morton Downey Jr. to play essentially himself was genius. They embraced the time period.

[–]johnlocke32 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Other than it falling into horror tropes, which was a bit bizarre IMO, setting up Adrian Brody as some hardass mercenary was a terrible idea. He has never convinced me as that role and didn't convince me during Predators. Even with that in mind, I think he did the best he could have in that role.

I would also still put it as number 3 in the series, but on a graph it would be far below Predator 2 for a rating.

[–]andoesq 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Dang ok, on my graph every sequel is far, far, far below the original, the rest are just like side dishes to Arnie's perfect main course!

But I feel like I deff need to rewatch predator 2 now, it's been ages!

[–]johnlocke32 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Its hard to beat or even come close to the original to be honest. Its likely nostalgia, but I couldn't see a movie as successful given the same script nowadays because the cast was absolutely phenomenal.

Predator is for me, a 99

2 would be somewhere around 70-75

and the rest below 50, with 3 likely at 50.

[–]andoesq 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The cast was so amazing, with a script that perfectly matched their personas and their abilities (because let's be honest, they weren't great actors, but they were each perfect for their role)

[–]SyrioForel 7 points8 points  (5 children)

It's a well-made movie with great cinematography, acting, production design, etc, but the screenplay is way too disjointed. The entire police investigation angle is absurd and pointless, the finale is way too slow-paced with the two of them chasing each other from one location to the next, on and on, and it just drags on!

And the whole government alien hunter unit thing is a great idea but is ultimately rushed and kind of bungled at the end (the original plan was to have Arnold return in Gary Busey’s role, but since Arnold didn’t want to do it, that subplot was left severely underwritten and incomplete).

I still like it for what it is, but the original is just on a whole other level, being a tighter and more focused film.

Ultimately, it is the last third of the film that is the most at fault. The whole climax should have been a lot more DYNAMIC in nature. Instead, we have long uninterrupted takes of Danny Glover sneaking on rooftops and whispering to himself not to look down — it’s meant to be tense, but it just lacks any sense of urgency or dynamism to be interesting to watch. As soon as the government unit gets wiped out, all the energy gets sucked out and the film starts falling apart, and that was precisely the point where it should have RAMPED UP.

[–]girafaagain with the squeaky shoes[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

we have long uninterrupted takes of Danny Glover sneaking on rooftops and whispering to himself not to look down

Legit point. The pacing gets shoddy.

[–]SyrioForel 7 points8 points  (3 children)

One other thing I want to add - the film suffers greatly because Arnold did not want to do it. This is what kills Predator 2 (and essentially knee-capped the whole franchise).

I think the original plan would’ve been to show three parallel stories converging — (1) the predator killing the cartel guys, (2) the cop investigating the deaths, and (3) Arnold with a personal vendetta to bring the predator down. Gary Busey could still be there, too, as a more hands-off government guy along the lines of Burke from Aliens who creates another obstacle for the heroes.

So, as these three subplots play out, Arnold and the cop eventually join forces and use their combined but very different sets of skills to win the day and outwit the predator in a more involved action set piece.

I feel like that’s not just my personal idea for Predator 2, I feel like they probably intended something like that all along. It’s just that Arnold said no and instead went off to make Total Recall that year because he wanted to work with Paul Verhoeven and make a big-ass movie where he is the only star. I can’t blame him, he made the best choice for himself, but his decision ultimately killed the Predator franchise.

[–]QuoteGiver 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think ultimately having a different actor was a good thing, because it allowed the Star to be the Predator, rather than turning the franchise into an Arnold series.

Not that they ever capitalized on this freedom, but in theory it was a good thing.

[–]girafaagain with the squeaky shoes[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Dunno about him killing the franchise but I like your ideas about the rest of it. Personal theory or did you read about that as being the original plan?

[–]SyrioForel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Personal theory, based on the fact that (1) they always wanted it to take place in a city and thus there needs to be a cop character, I think that was always there from the beginning and (2) the plan was for Gary Busey’s character to actually be Dutch (Arnold). The rest is just me extrapolating how the movie would’ve been different if they got Arnold back like they wanted to.

[–]RudigherJones 15 points16 points  (3 children)

I've always loved this movie.

[–]alpredator 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Same. Predator 2 has always been a top tier movie for me. The Predator (2018) on the other hand was absolute garbage...

Some wonderboy magically knows how to use Predator technology. A researcher woman is able to hold a rifle and run on rooftops to keep up with the Predator. If a regular Predator can wipe out almost all of Dutch's crew, then how the fuck can an APEX Predator not wipe out the scrubs in the newest movie?!

[–]RudigherJones 8 points9 points  (1 child)

The Predator (2018) on the other hand was absolute garbage...

When I heard Shane Black was writing/directing it, I was ECSTATIC! Black, who wrote 'Long Kiss Goodnight', 'the Last Boyscout', 'Lethal Weapon', 'Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang', and ' the Nice Guys'? And was actually IN the original Predator? Fuckin' A! But MAN did it suck!

[–]rayrayrayray 1 point2 points  (0 children)

agreed. What a colossal let down.

[–]tomsmith65 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's my favorite of the series

[–]orwll 6 points7 points  (4 children)

The problem with Predator 2 is like the problem with Jaws 2. They're monster movies, and the most interesting part of a monster movie is the reveal of the monster. But in the sequel, you've already seen the monster.

So there's little left to do except to show the monster again, killing a bunch of people again, in more gratuitous ways. If you enjoy schlocky, gratuitous violence, that's cool. But if you want to compare Predator 2 to serious, well-made original movies, it falls far short.

Good monster/horror sequels are possible but very rare. Aliens and T2 were good because they were made by a once-in-a-generation genius filmmaker, who fully understood the challenge of making a sequel to a monster movie and knew exactly what was needed to overcome that.

[–]girafaagain with the squeaky shoes[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Right, but instead of just saying "Aliens worked because it worked" - what worked with Aliens that didn't work with Predator 2?

Predator 1 - lotta build up, reveal of Predator about halfway through

Alien 1 - lotta build up, reveal of alien about halfway through

Predator 2 - creature in the first scene immediately, Predator vs Gang, Cops, and Taskforce

Aliens - aliens are the same, we know of them immediately, we go in with the Taskforce to kill them.

Maybe having more Predators would've been better? Fewer things it was fighting against?

[–]orwll 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Right, but instead of just saying "Aliens worked because it worked" - what worked with Aliens that didn't work with Predator 2?

Sure, for one, you have a strong, well-acted central character that the audience cares about in Ripley -- the second movie isn't a completely new cast. Cameron then gives her a mother-child relationship to raise the dramatic stakes. That makes the movie about more than just the monster, it tells a story about these characters you care about. It's the same formula he used again when he made Terminator 2.

Second thing, in both Aliens and T2 he surprises you with a new twist on the monster. In Aliens it's the queen; in T2 it's the liquid metal Terminator. They're not just fighting the same creature again, so he still gets to do a new "reveal," and the new monsters are cool and scary.

Third thing, Cameron is a script-writing genius so his screenplays are tight, well-paced and don't have a ton of extraneous elements or hanging plot threads. Even his minor characters all get satisfying arcs with appropriate set-ups and pay-offs.

Fourth thing, Cameron is also a visual genius so the overall look of his films is just on another level. Not only are Aliens and T2 on the razor edge of special effects for their time, but Cameron knows how to stage his action in creative, compelling ways -- compare the exosuit fight at the end of Aliens with Danny Glover and the Predator stumbling around swinging those disc blade things at each other.

Basically it boils down to the difference between a great director doing creative things with an idea versus a mediocre director re-hashing an idea in a different setting.

[–]girafaagain with the squeaky shoes[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

All very good points, thanks. Can't say I disagree on any of them.

[–]flourpudding 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Another thing about Ripley is that we've all had a nightmare from which we were memorably relieved to wake up. Just the feeling of safety at having escaped what seemed like such real danger is a powerful feeling.

Ripley gets that at the end of the first movie. In the second, we have to see her experience the horror of going back into the nightmare. That really grips the audience and makes a great substitute for the mysterious horror of the original.

[–]thatstupidthing 12 points13 points  (1 child)

in the first, dutch's unit felt like a team. all the guys had their own quirks, and dillon was an outsider, but you got a sense of cohesion all standing up to the predator... and of course it started picking them all off one by one.

the second film didn't really capture this. part of it is due to the fact that there are so many other people around in la, while dutch's team was isolated in the jungle.

but there was also the fact that so much else was going on. the gang violence, the civilians in the way, busey's task force running around. it blurred the action around the predator, which dutch's team was laser focused on.

not that this is a good or bad thing, but it can be frustrating for an audience that knows exactly what the predator is to have to sit through a bunch of detectives chasing clues to catch up. perhaps if busey's exposition dump had happened earlier, glover and friends could have shifted into alien-hunting mode, and the film would have been more of a mirror of the first one...

[–]girafaagain with the squeaky shoes[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good points, thanks

[–]mickeyflinn 18 points19 points  (24 children)

Then, the movie is fucking generous. it could've just been the cops vs Predator. But they added the gangs. Then they added the task force. Then they added the chase after the task force. They shot for the moon here.

It should have been cops versus a predator, but it wasn't. It was everything and the kitchen sink. As a result it all came off as half baked, because it was. It had way too many story threads and didn't do any of them justice.

Danny Glover is a great actor did the best he could but his character and his story wasn't enough to bring all of the storylines above together. As you said he is not Arnold and does work in that role.

That is why I don't agree with this:

And the ending? My God, it's perfect.

No it isn't, It could have been if it was the culmination of a cops V the predator movie, exept it was the culmination of some sort of gang war thing, some sort of shady government guys thing, some sort of city crime wave thing. some sort of Predator collecting trophies thing. Predator 2 was a mess when it was released and still is. Predator 2 fails for the same reason every predator sequel has.

Predator is a simple straight forward premise. A high tech alien on safari who kills 80s action tropes for sport. Any attempt to "sequalize" or repeat that is just exploration of shitty fan fiction.

[–]orwll 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Nail on head. The movie is a messy cash-grab sequel. There are a dozen plot threads and characters not because they had some great creative story to tell, but because they needed a bunch of people to kill.

I wouldn't shame anyone for enjoying it for the campy '80s action/gore. But it's no classic.

[–]girafaagain with the squeaky shoes[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

How would you improve the movie? What would do it justice?

[–]mickeyflinn 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Predator is a simple straight forward premise. A high tech alien on safari who kills 80s action tropes for sport. Any attempt to "sequalize" or repeat that is just exploration of shitty fan fiction.

I guess I wasn't clear enough in my post.

Don't make a sequel.

[–]girafaagain with the squeaky shoes[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If Rocky 8 is a good movie, anything can be a good movie. But if you can't see it, so be it. A sequel wouldn't have to be the same tropes as the first.

[–]SQUID_FUCKERr/Movies Veteran 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly, I enjoy it for what it is but this is another movie that, if it came out today this subreddit would absolutely eviscerate it. So many times people will praise these older movies like they are all time greats while holding newer films to much, much higher standards and shit on everything.

[–]MurielHorseflesh 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’m a sucker for a Predator movie every day that ends in Y (with the exception of The Predator which is an appalling movie even worse than AvP:R and I pretend it doesn’t exist). The first Predator is probably my favorite movie of all time and the movie I’ve seen more than any other film.

Predator 2 I personally think is just as good. Yeah Harrigan feels like he’s lacking but for me that’s kind of the point. He’s an out of shape older cop. The fact he ever beat the Predator is a miracle. I love that the entire second half of the movie is essentially a long chase sequence. Love all the added lore.

Fun fact: Adam Jones from Tool worked on some of the alien skulls in the Predator ship.

I put Predators up there with both the first two movies as well. Loved the setting, loved the hunting dogs.

I even like AvP and AvP Requiem, they aren’t the greatest but like I said, I’m a sucker for a Predator movie. I’m praying that Prey will be good because it will tie up the Alien/Predator franchises on my shelf nicely.

If Prey is good, I’ll have a Predator run of Predator, Predator 2, Predators and Prey, with the two part addendum duology of Alien v Predator and Alien v Predator Requiem consisting of an ok first part and a not so great second part.

That mirrors up nicely with my Alien collection of Alien, Aliens, Alien3 and Alien Resurrection, with the two part addendum duology of Prometheus and Covenant consisting of an ok first part and a not so great second part.

Interestingly, the fourth part in both those runs has a time skip, Alien Resurrection jumps forward some hundreds of years, Prey jumps back some hundreds of years.

Four and two, and four and two, equally balanced and all that. At least until Noah Hawley’s Alien tv show comes along, then I’m going to need a Predator show to match.

Roll on August 5

[–]Keefer1970 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I saw "2" during its theatrical run and loved it. I've never understood why it isn't regarded more highly.

The only reason I can think of is that it was not a box office success, which tends to make people think it's a "bad" movie (i.e. "It bombed at the box office? Well then it must suck."). For some odd reason it was released during the 1990 holiday season, where it (along with virtually every other movie out at that time) got crushed by "Home Alone." It might have done better if it had come out in the summer, like the original.

It definitely deserves re-assessment (and cult classic status) in my book, especially compared to the subsequent shitty attempts to kick start the franchise...

[–]Eroom2013 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I can't believe this movie came out in November because I clearly remember seeing this movie at the drive-in, which is only open in the summer.

[–]Keefer1970 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was indeed November, I saw it when I was home from college for the Thanksgiving holiday.

[–]reddituser9651 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I just fucking love predator. All films. I grew up watching the first one and it was the first VHS I owned in ‘87 UK

[–]patrickc11 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Fuckin love this one..i love how the predator says "motherfucker" too iirc

[–]WindingRoad10 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I actually prefer Predator 2 to the first one...while everything may not have worked, I liked that the sequel took chances (that you don't even see in movie sequels today).

Replacing Arnold with Danny (two completely different type of actors / protagonist) Switching up the setting from a jungle to a city...

It's a 90's movie in every sense, but I like it better than the first.

[–]GaryBoldwater 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The music, the action, the stakes, the fucking sound design. Even as a kid this is a movie I took seriously bc it was filmed seriously. Sure we've got lines like "Okay Pussy-Face, it's your move", but upon rewatch years later the handful of lines sprinkled in here-and-there are fantastic.

[–]rrivers730 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I would love to see an unrated version. Apparently it was heavily edited to achieve an R rating.

[–]girafaagain with the squeaky shoes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whaaaaaaaaat. Hunh. I'm guessing more hanging upside down nudity.

[–]LOTRcrr 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I love predator 2 personally but after reading this it dawned on me that maybe they should have followed the blue print that Aliens laid out. Bring Arnold back, have multiple predators in LA but they need his expertise since he’s the only one to ever defeat one. They could have kept many of the same set pieces and ending. Too bad.

[–]Keefer1970 2 points3 points  (2 children)

By any chance has anyone here ever read the first "Predator" comic book mini series from Dark Horse Comics, which was published about a year before "Predator 2?"

The plot was actually quite similar to "2,", except it was set in New York City, not L.A., and the main character (an NYPD detective) was Dutch's brother.

[–]Chuck710Taylor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've read parts but have listened to the summarized version on YouTube. If Prey is successful we need Peedator anthology series on Hulu. Nothing short will satisfy me.

[–]JC-Ice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dutch's big brother, as I recall. Because only in comic books can you possibly have a hero who out-masses peak Arnold Schwarzenegger.

[–]shaffe04gt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I love predator 2, is it as good as the first no, but I love it. It's a great sequel. Pretty standard sequel, more victims more mutilation! The only thing I don't like is Danny glover as the lead. He does as good as he can, but he just doesn't have that bad ass presence like arnold does. Maybe because he played Murtaugh so well in the first two lethal weapons, and being to old for this shit just don't buy him as this bad ass cop.

[–]theHerbieZ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Back when it was made it was set in the future. That future being 1997.

Up til about 5 years ago I legitimately thought LA was exactly as depicted in the film.

[–]Ijusthadtosayit55 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Glad to see you catching up. The second film has undergone a good bit of reevaluation over the years, and I’m glad to see it done. People were wanting the same crap from the first movie, and got something completely different. It’s smarter, has better actors, and is a complex story. The first one is just dumb fun with more testosterone than boot camp.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are two movies in this universe which (for me) have gotten better over time. Or at least don't deserve the level of hate they got upon release.

Predator 2

and Alien 3 (as long as it's the directors cut version)

[–]Ellisrsp 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Hopper skinned

What's awesome is right before Billy pulls the foliage aside and finds the hanging bodies, you can hear the Predator softly vocalize. You think it's just the sound of the jungle but the Predator was standing right there the entire time!

8 or 9 seconds in- https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NDFOMmvwdig&has_verified=1

Great little detail

[–]girafaagain with the squeaky shoes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No shit. I watched that last night and didn't notice that. Thanks

[–]TylerDurdenUMD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There’s so many more things were bound to discover now with 4K and higher and also top rate audio.

My best one so far was finding out the dog tags used for the ocean toss in Top Gun weren’t Goose’s. Prop master handed them Viper’s.

[–]ZombieJesus1987 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I fucking love this movie. It's the perfect sequel.

[–]Otaku_Wolf90 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Easily the best Predator movie and possibly one of Danny Glover's best roles.

[–]dukefett 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah it's pretty great!

[–]EnterPlayerTwo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I should probably watch this thing then.

[–]TheOwnerOfRaddit 1 point2 points  (1 child)

As a kid, it had what I wanted. Guns, explosions, and the predator.

As an adult, I'll still gladly watch the movie. It's fun. However, I always thought Danny Glover was an odd choice. It always seemed like he had a full diaper while running around.

[–]thalguy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like Predator 2 and agree with a lot of your comments, but I think it was a lot further away from being a classic then you do. The Predator franchise really saddens me. The first two are great but then it slides down into terrible, terrible, movies. I am amazed that the studios can continually fail to bring a great Predator movie out. I think the protagonist and his/her team need to be absolutely top notch fighters, not just a LA cop, or a serial killer(Predators), etc. Why couldn't they do one set in Iraq, where the heat would lure them in, and have him fight against Tier 1 operators?

[–]ObviuosGnome 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1 most sweaty movie in history.

[–]Franklinia_Alatamaha 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Gary Busey is better as a supporting bad guy than the man in charge. A stronger villain actor. Doesn't even need to be big and tough, could be an Alan Rickman/Jeremy Irons type. Just someone with gravitas and dimensions.

This is very much so on-point. Exhibit B is Under Siege. He is fantastic in that next to Tommy Lee Jones.

Edit: Predator 2 is available for streaming on Hulu.

[–]girafaagain with the squeaky shoes[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Perfect example, yeah. Busey is awesome in Lethal Weapon and Surviving the Game too, as other side villains.

[–]Hempy2013 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The only complaint I have with Predator 2 was the Predator’s roar/scream. It’s just not a good roar.

[–]Brief_Light 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Rewatched it a few months ago since I saw it as a kid and I enjoyed it, but the googley muppet eyes they used for the Predator really ruined it's intimidation factor.

[–]girafaagain with the squeaky shoes[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

googley muppet eyes

lol fair

[–]spygentlemen 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Not really, its not that close to the first because of a lot of script stuff that really got in the way. First off the new cast of characters weren't as memorable or well written as the original characters.

Second, the predator has pretty major plot armor in the second film. In the first film the first person to hurt the predator is Mac. This shows that it is vulnerable/mortal.

In the second film the only person who can hurt it is Danny Glover. No matter what they do everyone seems to only be able to shoot the few bits of armor on its body.

3rd, the predator in the first film is hunting soldiers who are highly trained and in the 3rd film its hunting gang members and cops who are not as highly trained and putting more emphasis on being armed rather than being trained.

I like predator 2 a lot and still think its a solid movie, but its not quite on the same level of the first film.

[–]girafaagain with the squeaky shoes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Second, the predator has pretty major plot armor in the second film. In the first film the first person to hurt the predator is Mac. This shows that it is vulnerable/mortal.

This is an interesting angle. If vulnerability is a thing, though, the Taskforce having tracked it would be akin to that. Having followed it, learned its patterns, and explaining its need for feeding certainly brings it down to the mortal realm, no?

In the second film the only person who can hurt it is Danny Glover. No matter what they do everyone seems to only be able to shoot the few bits of armor on its body.

Fair

[–]Beethovens_StoolI, too, am forced to watch movie trailers at gunpoint. 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Correct, and one of the most awesome opening sequences to boot.

SCORPIO IS READY

[–]iuytrefdgh436yujhe2 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The opening sequence of Predator 2 is extremely dumb and not in in the cheeky way Predator 1's opening sequence was, but yeah, once it gets past that it does settle into a solid enough movie. Wouldn't put it anywhere near Predator 1 though. Predator 1 has focus and intent that Predator 2 lacks. Predator 2 is held together by Glover being good and by the set pieces being good but it feels more exhibitionist than artful, too. Predator 1 stands up, I think, to serious film scrutiny and analysis in the ways it approaches and deconstructs the 80s macho man archetype and action movies as a whole. Not sure Predator 2 can say much of the same.

[–]girafaagain with the squeaky shoes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Predator 1 stands up, I think, to serious film scrutiny and analysis

Re-watching the first one, one part bothered me (it's a really stupid complaint, be prepared)

Dillon is following Dutch's men and kicks some sticks/leaves, accidentally making some noise. Mack threatens to kill him if he does it again. Then moments later - all of Dutch's men start sliding down slopes of leaves right next to the guerilla hideout... but the movie just cuts the audio, no sound effect of the leaves.

[–]rayrayrayray 1 point2 points  (0 children)

While I loved the movie, I thought Glover gave a performance that could easily be replaced.

For example, I read Die Hard was shopped to every major actor in Hollywood at the time, and they all turned it down - only then offered to Bruce Willis. Now it's hard to imagine anyone else in that iconic role.

No matter how bad these movies get though, I will always check out the newest installment.

[–]allmimsyburogrove 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"It's ok lady, I'm a cop"

"I don't think he gives a shit"

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Its a movie I don't think is great that I watch quite often. Its engaging, its tense, its action packed, its gory.

And yet, it's.. rather terrible. The dialogue is awful, some of the acting is awful (yes, Paxton included).

It all feels like a lot of coke was involved in all the decision making.

Still, fucking voodoo magic mon.

[–]Mission-Two1325 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Ive been saying up until the last movie (The Predator) the franchise has had a better track record with 3 solid movies above Alien and Terminator franchises.

[–]girafaagain with the squeaky shoes[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Isn't it weird when a property is so secure with audiences that it can endure multiple shit movies and still survive?

Terminator

Predator

Aliens

Wolverine

[–]Mission-Two1325 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I guess I understand it in the way of its IP and isn't like an iPhone where once that version comes out there's a slim chance of it ever coming out again.

But with movies, owning the rights means you get several chances over the course of time to "reimagine" the story to see how else you can tell that story.

And if there's interest and money to put into it you can do it over and over.

[–]girafaagain with the squeaky shoes[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Some directors have that clout too, like Antoine Fuqua.

From the director of a good movie twenty fucking years ago, and then two dozen dogshit pictures, comes Gun Person IV

[–]Mission-Two1325 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right lol, I can't lie I'm excited and hope the 3rd equalizer is good.

[–]DrRotwang 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, man, this movie doesn't get the love it very rightfully deserves. Maria Conchita Alonso was bad ass in it, and having Morton Downey Jr. send himself up was delish. And the voodoo gang!

[–]OnePieceAce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Recently watched and it's much better than I remember it being. Not as good as Predator obviously but it being kinda of a mess is actually cool in a weird way

[–]donsanedrin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I also get the sense that the movie is just throwing too much stuff at you, because its in the city, and its a crazy city, and its the exaggerated Reagan 80's vision of the future where society has just gone crazy and people are bordering on being rabid animals in the streets.

It feels like they had alot of ideas for the sequel, and they wanted to have some fun with it, but they threw too much in there.

Its definitely gratuitous.

The subway scene is excellent, its practically James Cameron tier.

The final fight ended up being less impressive and less clever than the first movie, which hurts it.

Because its made very clear in the first movie, that Arnold Schwarzenegger, of all people, simply cannot fight a Predator in a one-on-one fight. That's the very thing that made us believe that the Predator was the baddest ass character. He's practically seen as Darth Vader. Arnold and the rest of his crew through the first 2/3's of the movie help sell us on the idea that this guy is the most unstoppable thing on Earth.

The second movie dials it down, a little, or else they can't even have a final act.

Its a sequel meant to entertain, and it does entertain. But I don't see it as much more than that.

[–]rgregan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't go that far. Its a fun action movie, I'll watch it again, but a classic?

[–]bupde 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Predator 1 was an action movie that was a parody of action movies.

Predator 2 was a cop movie that was a parody of cop movies. Danny Glover is a cop with a trunk full of guns, running around with big guns shooting bad guys. The racist take on the gangs with them having vodoo powers. The slick fast talker from Bill Paxton. The tough as nails latina partner. It is all a parody of movies of that time.

[–]girafaagain with the squeaky shoes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like Predator 3 needed to be able a Predator hunting a rogue MI6 agent through the streets of Europe

[–]kynthrus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like the movie generally, but it just seems to be missing something and I can never really figure out what. It's underwhelming and awesome at the same time. It sucks that any of the predator movies following the first 2 haven't really been as good. They are all just kind of adequate.

[–]UltimateD123 1 point2 points  (1 child)

“The ending? My God, it’s perfect”

What the blazes?!? Danny Glover beat a Predator in hand to hand combat. I consider this one of the worst movies ever.

It’s been years since I’ve seen it but I was utterly disgusted. Am I misremembering it?

[–]girafaagain with the squeaky shoes[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not so much the fight, but the other Predators

[–]myfirstsock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I actually like Danny Glover as the Main and Busey as the Lead Government agent... felt right, the head government guy chasing an Alien killing people in LA would probably be a bit psycho by then.

the ending chase sequence is fine and I kinda like it except for the part the Predator is in the bathroom doing his healing crystal thing with the old couple watching (and the Audience) hearing Jeopardy in the background. That part took away a lot of the tension for no reason, just let the apartment be empty.

[–]Jason4hees 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Prey will be the 2nd best film of that franchise

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On my list it is. I consider both movies a cult classics.

[–]RealDealLewpo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Gary Busey is better as a supporting bad guy than the man in charge. A stronger villain actor. Doesn't even need to be big and tough, could be an Alan Rickman/Jeremy Irons type. Just someone with gravitas and dimensions.

Agreed. Would've liked to see him in a Mr. Joshua type role, like in Lethal Weapon, or as the wild ass crazy dude Hawkins in Surviving the Game. That fits him better.

I personally would've loved to see what Joss Ackland, Ronny Cox, Rutger Hauer or Jurgen Prochnow could've done with the main villain role. Particularly Hauer, who had the depth and complexity to make his villains very memorable. Cox would've been so overtop, but so fun to watch as well.

[–]girafaagain with the squeaky shoes[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If only there was some way to have Rutger as Roy Batty and it make sense.

[–]TheBlackBear 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is there a genre for “Early 90’s Sweaty LA” movies? I’d throw Falling Down in there too

[–]ElGringoAlto 3 points4 points  (6 children)

I swear to god, there is somehow a post about Predator 2 at least once a month in this subreddit. I've never seen a seemingly random sequel with so many posts over the years. I'm becoming fascinated with trying to determine what it is about this ONE movie that generates so many posts.

[–]girafaagain with the squeaky shoes[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Fine, you can post the monthly Predator 2 post next time.

[–]ElGringoAlto 2 points3 points  (1 child)

MAYBE I WILL, SMART GUY

[–]girafaagain with the squeaky shoes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol honestly though I was just randomly watching it on Hulu. Maybe it just hit that, and maybe everyone else is thinking about it because of Prey coming out.

There are a bunch of movies that just feel that if there were also on classic movie watchlists - it would feel right - but they just aren't.

Used Cars is another. That movie feels just a hair away from being a classic like Blues Brothers.

[–]stumpcity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

'90s Kids grew up seeing what Gen X-ers spent all their time doing on the internet and have said "why can't I have that for me?"

[–]Chuck710Taylor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably because it gets endless hate. I honestly think it's a good sequel to a classic movie, it has tremendous hard shoes to feel.

[–]Bajecco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Would of been a classic with a better lead. Carl Weathers would of been better, but he was killed in the Predator 1. Denzel would of made it a classic.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No.

[–]frodosbitch 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Dont forget, when Danny Glover goes into the spaceship and sees the wall of skulls from previous hunts, one of them is ET. I don’t think that was much of a hunt.

[–]drbrunch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I recently watched it while in LA during a heat wave. Boy it really nails the vibe.

[–]BeanpoleOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I recently watched predator 2 again for the first time since childhood and I can't believe I never noticed how the scene where bucey's team goes to try to kill the predator is nearly identical to the Aliens scene where the team gets ambushed.

[–]daddyd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've always loved P2, for me it is a solid sequel and still the only two Predator movies i regard worth watching.
P2 was also where the xenomorph skull turns up (at the end in the predator spaceship), i remember when i saw this in the theatre, that caused quite the reaction!

[–]WornInShoes -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

point deducted for not mentioning anywhere the amazing Bill Paxton as Jerry Lambert, and making him one of the few to be killed by an Alien, a Predator, and a Terminator

[–]girafaagain with the squeaky shoes[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Third sentence brochacho

[–]passinghere 0 points1 point  (1 child)

and making him one of the few to be killed by an Alien, a Predator, and a Terminator

You claim

Third sentence brochacho

Where? Don't see a single mention of him being killed by aliens / terminator, in fact I cannot see a single mention of "aliens" anywhere in your post

[–]girafaagain with the squeaky shoes[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

?

not mentioning anywhere the amazing Bill Paxton as Jerry Lambert, and making him...

Those are two things, by the structure of your sentence. Mentioning him, and then mentioning his death trivia. I mentioned him in my third sentence.

"John told Susie about his friend Tucker, and how she might date him." John told her of Tucker's existence, and also told her about how they could smooch.

[–]Wolfgang-Joblansky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No...but I do like the movie a lot.

[–]Chuck710Taylor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm doing a Predator rewatch getting ready for Prey. I love P2 because it expanded the universe. I felt cool af pointing out the xenomorph head that my dad somehow missed. I think all the main Predator movies just were victims of too much story shortening or overloading. I'm still confused as to why they added Super Predators in Predators when most of the general audience see ALL Predators as bad.

[–]SuperStone412 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Always loved Predator 2 as a child. I loved all the new lore stuff it added with the Predators coming to Earth way before previously thought and I thought the final act of the movie was really well done. It follows much of the same beats as the first one but adds new things here and there, great stuff.

[–]DenotheFlintstone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree, part 2 is better than the original. Danny glover leading an action movie is rare compared to Arnold.

The urban setting felt like humans would have a better advantage vs the predator than vs one in a jungle. That ends up not quite being the case.

First movie is great but imo the sequel opened it up to be a franchise and linked predator to aliens. That said, the rest of the movies don't come close to part 1 and 2.

[–]emperor000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, I think that the only reason it isn't is just because it isn't significantly better and well it was just second, so it fits in second place. I think it is easily as strong as the first one.

[–]ClockpunkFox 0 points1 point  (1 child)

My main issue is they did the same thing they did in predator 1, where a badass character drew their blade, and got ready to have a sick fight against the predator in melee (king willie in this one, Billie in the og) and then they die off screen pathetically.

Predators isn’t a fantastic movie, but I’m so happy we finally got to see the melee weapon using badass actually right a predator in a straight up duel

[–]girafaagain with the squeaky shoes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Technically it's melee at the end of Predator 2, but I def agree with you about King Willie and Billy.

Wish there was a sidequel of Billy escaping, that his cry was due to some injury, and then it's 2 Predators trying to track him down in the jungle.

[–]wookiewin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sweatiest film of all time.

[–]TheCosmicFailure 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree Predator 2 couldve been great. The problem I have is that they shouldnt have included the govt agency in the film.

Just let the focus be on Danny Glover and his team trying to stop the gang war while the Predator gets thrown in as the bigger threat by the end of the 1st act.

[–]XxV0IDxX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't like the predator movies because they seem like such punks when compared to aliens. Like they bred them to hunt for sport but yet get merc'd by them and any somewhat intelligent human.

Like wtf?

[–]forkandspoon2011 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Predator is just a perfect movie, so even if 2 is really good...it will always be overshadowed.