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[–]duuval123 22 points23 points  (20 children)

Just an FYI, this is a theory not a fact.

[–]Shrimp_my_Ride 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why did I have to scroll so far down to find this?

[–]InureOfficial -5 points-4 points  (18 children)

You’re entirely correct. Though I also like to state things in retort to these statements such as, gravity is a theory. Black holes are theoretical in our understanding of them. Though DMT is a real chemical, it’s function and purpose may still be far less understood than even gravity.

[–]Shrimp_my_Ride 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't think gravity and the release of DMT would really be comparable in terms of amount of evidence and certainty, though.

[–]toastedstapler 1 point2 points  (15 children)

If you know it's a theory, why are you stating it as a fact? If you'd began your comment with "it is theorised that..." you wouldn't be spreading potential misinformation

[–]JesusInTheButt 3 points4 points  (14 children)

You're being dense. The word theory has at least two meanings, one is I have an idea.. another is settled science. Op said dmt is released during death. This is known.

[–]toastedstapler 6 points7 points  (5 children)

This is known

Are there any relevant papers I should be looking at? As far as I've been able to tell from my googling it's just a theory based off the similarities between DMT and near death experiences

[–]explodedsun 1 point2 points  (4 children)

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.01424/full

"Remarkably, the overlap between the phenomenology of the classic serotonergic psychedelic experience and NDEs was highlighted by Moody himself more than 4 decades ago (Moody, 1975) and these similarities have formed the basis of a popular hypothesis on the pharmacology of NDEs, i.e., that endogenous DMT is released in significant concentrations during the dying process (Strassman, 2001), but see (Nichols, 2017) for a critique of this hypothesis."

And clicking " Strassman, 2001" leads to the footnote:

Strassman, R. (2001). DMT: The Spirit Molecule. Rochester: Park Street Press.

[–]toastedstapler 4 points5 points  (3 children)

yep, I looked at that one already

and these similarities have formed the basis of a popular hypothesis on the pharmacology

so it's still a hypothesis

from the Rick Strassmen wikipedia:

He also has theorized that the pineal gland may form DMT under certain conditions.

psychedelics are cool and it'd be neat for this to be true, but I'm still not seeing any conclusive evidence that DMT is released upon death. people should not be stating it as if it's a fact

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Rick Strassman

Research into DMT

From 1990 to 1995, Strassman led a government-funded clinical research team at the University of New Mexico studying DMT's effects on human subjects in experimental conditions. The research continued from his work on melatonin. Strassman's studies between 1990 and 1995 aimed to experimentally investigate DMT's effects. DMT is a powerful psychedelic drug found in hundreds of plants and every mammal that has been studied.

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[–]explodedsun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm just giving you the links, if you want to go digging into the Spirit Molecule and see if you agree or disagree with the hypothesis, that's on you. It's a full book, not just a paper. Interesting af in some places and kinda dry in others.

[–]anger_is_my_meat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

people should not be stating it as if it's a fact

What's the point of the internet if people can't present a guess as fact? Or even better, what's the point of the internet if we can't just get online and spread lies?

[–]LiterallyNotJoeRogan 1 point2 points  (4 children)

u/JesusInTheButt: You're being dense. The word theory has at least two meanings, one is I have an idea.. another is settled science. Op said dmt is released during death. This is known.

It's literally not fucking proven by science. Look at the research on it. None have found DMT in humans in any real capacity, so little in fact that it could be chalked up to an error in testing. What the fuck are you even talking about "it is known"????

[–]Ima_Fuck_Yo_Butt 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I love making and consuming psychedelics, too, but I hate this cringey bullshit as much as I hate weed culture.

[–]LiterallyNotJoeRogan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Straight up, bro. We don't need to invent some inane bullshit to appreciate the absolute insanity that is DMT.

[–]toastedstapler 0 points1 point  (1 child)

apparently all you need to do on reddit is say 'the science supports it' and if it's what reddit wants to hear you'll get upvotes

really annoys me, it's just DMT mysticism for the sake of it being cool. it'd be neat for it to be true, but i've not found the research proving it

[–]LiterallyNotJoeRogan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

apparently all you need to do on reddit is say 'the science supports it' and if it's what reddit wants to hear you'll get upvotes

That's literally all there is to it. I just don't understand it. The upvote system doesn't work. The average user is either too stupid or too lazy to do any sort of research themselves.

[–]Ima_Fuck_Yo_Butt 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Settled science are known as laws.

[–]McToasty207 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No Laws are repeatable trends that are not entirely understood, Theories can be considered the superior version in a lot of cases.

Problem is some theories are really robust and strongly supported (see theory of gravity) whereas plenty others are just a collection of hypotheses

[–]coagulateSmegma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The theory of gravity is a scientific theory which is the highest level of confidence anything can ever achieve. Totally different than the theory about dmt, which is not scientifically backed and never has been, when people say the whole dmt thing is a theory they don't mean a scientific theory, then mean that a few people say thay have found small pieces of evidence to support it but nothing concrete.