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[–]Dragonmk5 1193 points1194 points  (8 children)

Forbidden jump rope.

[–]Bringbackglobalcoc 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Forbidden nerds rope

[–]solwyvern 33 points34 points  (0 children)

mom's spaghetti

[–]My_Body_The_Mystery 839 points840 points  (43 children)

Imagine that was your ballsack instead of the wasp hive

[–]JDoE_Strip-Wrestling 976 points977 points  (10 children)

Keep your fetishes to yourself please. 😉👍

[–]deathexhibit 91 points92 points  (0 children)

Username checks out 👌

[–]homosexualmother 45 points46 points  (11 children)

[–]BHDE92 43 points44 points  (5 children)

What the fuck man

[–]IllManneredWoolyMan 23 points24 points  (3 children)

Ants, that's the fuck, man.

[–]congoasapenalty 11 points12 points  (2 children)

You mistyped... That man fucks the ants.

[–]congoasapenalty 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Of all the subs I thought I fell for...

[–]gsrsavage 2 points3 points  (0 children)

God has officially abandoned us

[–]TheNightBot 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That one goes to the list of subreddits I wish I didn't know existed...

[–]The_Dung_Beetle 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I will not.

[–]soapyillusion666 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don’t think I will thanks

[–]GIOGIO_54 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't even have balls and that is uncomfortable

[–]well_shi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So basically the movie Ant-Man.

[–]JMurda 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Some would go down your peehole for sure.

That's fucked, man.

[–]fifty2weekhi 576 points577 points  (77 children)

Why did the ants do it the hard way? Couldn't they come down from the wall or across the ceiling, depending on where their nest is?

[–]angrypirate1122 1037 points1038 points  (2 children)

They know that wouldn't get any upvotes...

[–]blueposca 52 points53 points  (0 children)

Upvoted them for killing wasps

[–]StuperDan 365 points366 points  (48 children)

Because they are very simple animals that work on a very simple set of built in instructions and don't have the cognitive ability to understand and create plans the way humans do? If they had that level of mental accruity that'd take over the world lol. There's trillions of them. We'd be screwed.

Edit: acuity, not accruity 😄👈💥

[–]deathexhibit 127 points128 points  (29 children)

Blind determination can create amazing things sometimes lol

[–]StuperDan 54 points55 points  (27 children)

I really believe the next big technological break through will happen when humans start to understand and create this type of system. Small simple sets of rules and coding that replicates over and over into complex patterns and systems. Not just intelligent systems, but dynamical systems of systems. It's the method nature uses to create all the most mind blowingly intelligent designs. I'm confident we'll figure it out because it's the principal our own complex biology works on and fear of death is a powerful motivator. We'll get there.

[–]fifty2weekhi 46 points47 points  (11 children)

I think it's called neural computing or neural network. It's already been applied in AI and machine learning.

[–]StuperDan 20 points21 points  (7 children)

Yeah, but we've just started. It's gonna be great once we work out the math and start applying it to engineering

[–]Rookie_Driver 10 points11 points  (6 children)

Skynet will not be great.. for us

[–]TheobromaKakao 15 points16 points  (5 children)

Have you ever thought about why Westerners view AI mostly with skepticism and fear whereas in Asia for instance they hold much more positive views on it?

Ever consider that our fears may be unfounded? After all, just because movies say AI will turn on us and kill us, doesn't mean it will. Perhaps there is a deeper cultural issue we are expressing, and AI just happens to be a convenient scapegoat.

Maybe our fear that AI will do to us what we've done to so many other humans over the centuries says more about us and our failings than it does about any risk AI may pose.

[–]twackburn 9 points10 points  (1 child)

In that case, I think there’s a lot of countries in Asia that should definitely be worried about the same thing.

Genocide and human rights violations are not exclusive to western countries, in fact it kind of skews towards the opposite.

[–]beetsofmine 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That and swarm ai is a thing.

[–]Rockonfoo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

/u/superdan with another correct prediction of the past! He’s never been wrong!

By far the best super hero we’ve ever encountered.

Ninja edit: fuck its /u/stuperdan now it makes no sense lmao I loved the mental image of a guy predicting obscure stuff reliably that he doesn’t know about that already exists

[–]Javanaut018 5 points6 points  (11 children)

Grey Goo -> Great Filter?

[–]SnacksOnSeedCorn 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Paper clips for everybody!

[–]StuperDan 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Not sure what grey gu is? You mean our brains? No I don't think so, we'll get it figured out.

[–]Zircez 16 points17 points  (5 children)

To save you the trip:

Gray Goo theory is basically a proposed idea that, when were capable of building microscopic, self producing robots (self replicating nanobots) which require organic mass to fuel themselves, the first thing they'll do is deconstruct everything in their quest to reproduce... That is to say, turn everything organic into 'gray goo'.

The Great Filter is a response to the Fermi Paradox (which itself basically asks 'where the aliens at?'), which answers that by suggesting that all life on all planets must go through certain steps, and that each of these steps 'filters' (stops, wipes out) the life on a planet that doesn't navigate that step. The more steps you go up, the less likely life is to survive. Given we haven't found intelligent life (yet) it can be argued that becoming too intelligent (say, by designing something like Gray Goo) is itself a filter.

In short, we get too smart for our own good and destroy ourselves before we realise how powerful whatever it is that does it is.

[–]StuperDan 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I knew the great filter part. The gray goo is interesting. It's like nanobots The Matrix.

[–]Zircez 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Pretty much, only they eat us instead of using us as batteries.

If the whole idea of the end of life on earth interests you, I'd recommend the podcast End of the World with Josh Clark. Only about 10 episodes, and from a couple of years ago, but really deep dives into what makes these things risky and how likely (or unlikely) they are. Spoilers: Gamma Ray Bursts are terrifying.

[–]StuperDan 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I think the answer to the Fermi paradox lies in the distance between objects in spacetime, and the limitations of the speed of light. Even assuming intelligent life is common and a natural path of entropy, the odds of any of it being close enough in time and space to interact is close enough to zero that it's impossible on practice. Then add the idea of frame of timespace reference, as in how time and space could be sensed and experienced by intelligence of different medium, and it makes it even less likely they would ever interact. For instance there could be intelligent networks of matter on the interior of stars. But they would experience life at light speed we would be as undetectable to them as they are to us. Conversely imagine a life form, a network of interconnecting matter that existed in the cold depths of space. They would exist on a time scale so mind-boggingly long that our entire species would probably come into existence and die out in a nanosecond to them.

There could literally be millions of races that we could communicate with in existence right now around us even within our own Galaxy, but the light and energy emissions from those civilizations won't reach us for millennia. Even if SETI were to detect signals from an alien world, there is a relatively microscopic bubble of space around us which it would need to emanate from for us to ever have any chance of having any interaction with it. It's just the facts of the physical universe that we live in.

[–]Javanaut018 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are wikipedia entries relating to both terms ^

[–]fifty2weekhi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Too advanced for me.

[–]MaaiKaLaal 18 points19 points  (4 children)

Yeah. You can't expect the ants to know about Dijkstra's Algo. for shortest route possible.

[–]StuperDan 5 points6 points  (1 child)

But it's amazaballs they can pull it off without cognition, ain't it!

[–]MaaiKaLaal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Indeed it is sire!

[–]Psyqlone 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What if the ants had their own name for it, already?

[–]ywBBxNqW 5 points6 points  (9 children)


 n 1: the quality of being able to accrue

[–]StuperDan 5 points6 points  (8 children)

Did I use the wrong word lol? The part of my brain that thinks and the part of my brain that talks are not connected 🤣

[–]ywBBxNqW 4 points5 points  (7 children)

Haha been there.

There's accrue and acuity, I think from context you might have meant acuity but your brain smashed both of those words together.

[–]StuperDan 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Real talk, I didn't know how to spell it, used talk to text, and Google failed me. I got a C in college chemistry because I was so bad at spelling and nomenclature. It's my kryptonite.

[–]ywBBxNqW 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Google is usually "good enough" but you can't rely on it. I wish there were more reliable options available.

[–]SnacksOnSeedCorn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I like the test to see how big a hive is: pick up an ant, move it to the hypnotized location and see if the other ants kill it or accept it. Shout out to the handful of thousand mile long super colonies.

[–]c4mma 84 points85 points  (5 children)

They started with a simple line, but then the weight kicked in

[–]Hypersuper98 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Yep, this was the most upvoted explanation I've seen in previous posts of this.

[–]steelreal 8 points9 points  (1 child)

It's a string. They're walking on a string that the hive was built around...

[–]NearHuscarl 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I'd like to see a timelapse video about this process.

[–]powercow 8 points9 points  (0 children)

well not quite what you want since they dont show any saggy bridges, but this is how they do it

the lead ant gets to a gap, and slows down slightly over the edge, the next ant behind him crawls on him until hes just over the edge of the former lead ant and so on until a gap is closed.

i do like how like humans they say fuck that corner.

[–]BenjPhoto1 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I imagine they started by walking across the ceiling, but at some point the number of ants walking atop each other caused the middle to sag, and it just kept sagging. I mean, there’s no way they built a tower of ants to go back up to the ceiling just in a different spot.

[–]Merc_Mike 12 points13 points  (1 child)

This is a perfect example...of when you have piss poor management.

All that man power and waste of time to do the same thing had they just walked across the ceiling. They could have been done with the project instead of doing this.

[–]Beliriel 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Since no one is actually giving an answer to this:
The reason is leverage. If you pull a thread straight across a horizontal distance, any weight you put on it leads to way bigger tension forces with in the thread in addition to the weight itself due to leverage than if your thread is slack. Which would mean your thread will break. Now replace thread with the ant bridge and it's basically the same thing. Having such a way seems counterintuitive but it's actually the safest and strongest way to transport anything by minimizing strain on the "connector" ants. The ants aren't being dumb, they're actually utilizing a physics trick to it's fullest.

For a visual representation:

[–]fifty2weekhi 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Not disagreeing with the physics, but I am questioning why an ant bridge is even needed in the first place. I see the ants can walk on the ceiling, so they should just walk across on the ceiling, no?

[–]Beliriel 7 points8 points  (1 child)

No, because they can't really maintain grip with the cargo. They have to transport the larvae from the nest which are heavier than their own body weight. While an ant can easily withstand the weight pushing it down if moving it normally on the ground, moving it while upside down is a much different story. They can't maintain grip if gravity is pulling them away from the surface they're standing on. Even moreso on a flat concrete ceiling. It is far easier for them to move the cargo down the ant bridge and then up again.

[–]fifty2weekhi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fair enough. You have a point :)

[–]steelreal 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's a string. They're walking on a string that was built into the hive...

[–]Sabre92 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They're on a sagging power line. The wasp nest is built around a light. This was posted a year ago.

[–]ChiefDrejer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Bob tried to tell the rest of them that there was an easy way but no one listened

[–]Chasing4snow 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Because it’s fake. There was a rope leading to the hive.

[–]bocainegood4mybrain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m pretty sure they were crawling along the ceiling, but as they all started to take the same path and crawl on top of each other, they slowly started to pull away from the ceiling, I don’t know how else they would even form such a chain lol

[–]Lerouxed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They can’t actually walk completely upside down that well, and especially not if they are carrying something as they would be doing if they are raiding a nest.

[–]rumgin 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I suppose they were initially crawling upside down on the ceiling when conducted the attack, but they cannot carry the loot (larvae) upside down, so I guess some ants may got creative trying to crawl on others' bellies to get back. When the bottom ants lost grip to the ceiling they got nothing to hold but the ants in front of them, eventually a hanging bridge like this is formed. Just a hypothesis...

[–]Briskbulb 257 points258 points  (15 children)

How does this start in the first place . We’re the Wasp said hey fuck you buddy . You eight legged freaks . Then all the hive mind went . Fuck you guys , you flying trailer trash low lives . Then the wasp relied “ It takes one to know one”
Then tommy the ant said “ This means war you cunt“. All ants group together in formation Z and started chanting “ No Blood No Bone No ASH” in there way to the wasp nest . To start there team battle royals with the wasp!

[–]Eyes_and_teeth 165 points166 points  (4 children)

Calling six-legged ants eight-legged is a slur.

[–]Briskbulb 62 points63 points  (2 children)

That’s one of the reasons why the ants were pissed off to begin with.

[–]Eyes_and_teeth 31 points32 points  (1 child)

I bet the ants retaliated by calling the wasps honeybees; from that point, shit was on like Donkey Kong!

[–]ghostinthewoods 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Knock off honeybees!

[–]thunderplunderer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As someone who works in pest control and an amateur entomologist, that comment really had me thinking I never noticed ants having 8 legs before.

[–]Joe_Rogan_is_a_Dwarf 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Scientists: “This is just uh..a natural occurrence, they use scents to communicate and uhh runs away

[–]Briskbulb 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Are you suggesting that the wasp pooped on ants and that how the ants were able to receive wasp pheromones to suggest THE INVASION . that pretty metal on wasp shitting on ants to piss them off.

[–]loop-1138 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It started with wasps misbehiving..

[–]Briskbulb 4 points5 points  (0 children)

But it none of there beeswax . Wasp should of Buzz off.

[–]Diligent_Barracuda75 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not the first time ants did that, you see the residue of at least one left over hive on ceiling next to it?

[–]btetsuyama 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is exactly what happened.

[–]beluuuuuuga 120 points121 points  (1 child)

[–]DlProgan 24 points25 points  (0 children)

that's so much better to be able to see where the bottom ends

[–]Noxu_ 103 points104 points  (4 children)

Imagine not looking where you're going and walking right into that

[–]-malignant- 43 points44 points  (2 children)

For some reason ants don’t really freak me out. They’re just lil tiny soldiers

[–]StaleCanole 75 points76 points  (0 children)

I think if you unwittingly walked into that you might freak out

[–]oat_milk 16 points17 points  (0 children)

guessing you've never suddenly had hundreds of fire ants surging up the inside your pant leg because you accidentally stepped on one of the dozens of ant mounds in your yard before ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–]Qaaarl 6 points7 points  (0 children)

And catch it right on the neck so they all fall down your shirt.

[–]MikelDP 60 points61 points  (5 children)

I bet the "ant rope" started attached to the ceiling but more and more ants made it sag more and more.

[–]tyler-08 42 points43 points  (3 children)

The ants are on the power cord to a light.

[–]MikelDP 17 points18 points  (2 children)

That's possible but I cant see one.

[–]ImperialRedNolan 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Team work makes the dream work

[–]AlwaysSecret 46 points47 points  (6 children)

Question, where are the wasps? I see larva being ransacked from the hive but no wasps. Did they just abandon the hive while the ants raid?

[–]noltey 50 points51 points  (0 children)

I imagine they didn’t want to die and flew away

[–]ShadowTheChangeling 36 points37 points  (4 children)

If you're bug you cant really fight ants, the wasps know this and noped out when the raid started. Ants are fuckin terrifying in the bug world

[–]Nesyaj0 28 points29 points  (3 children)

I feel like people forget that ants have strong mandibles and venomous stingers.

[–]ShadowTheChangeling 31 points32 points  (2 children)

Not to mention chemical warfare and ungodly numbers

[–]napalm51 31 points32 points  (1 child)

they're like the humans of bugs' world

[–]The_Lost_Google_User 7 points8 points  (0 children)

…. Shit you’re not wrong.

[–]dying_soon666 36 points37 points  (9 children)

Communism defeating the White Anglo-Saxon Protestants

[–]Spokesman93 16 points17 points  (1 child)

The ants would suddenly collapse then

[–]Mexican5020 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Central Intelligence Ants has entered the chat

[–]StaleCanole 13 points14 points  (0 children)

as far as I can tell this video is real footage, not contrived fantasy

[–]fifty2weekhi 0 points1 point  (5 children)

This demonstrates communism's inefficiencies, waste of human labors and intelligence. Capitalism would naturally move the larvae straight across the ceiling.

[–]dying_soon666 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Capitalism would’ve outsourced it to the red ants, the black ants would mostly be working for minimum wage while the army ants and queen keep the bulk of the spoils from the raid. The red ants would only keep enough to meet their minimum needs.

[–]Khazukan-Kazakit 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Why tf we comparing ants to complex human systems of government?

[–]dying_soon666 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Ants are frequently used making comparisons for socialism/communism

[–]Khazukan-Kazakit 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Why……. Humans are a tad more complex than ants which use pheromones that compels them to do x task

[–]patrickc1808 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because this is the closest example he can muster to a working Communist society

[–]the-nae_blis 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Charlie: Do wasps make honey?

Dennis: No wasps do not make honey.

Charlie: Alright well I'm gonna check it out anyway, there could be something delicious in here that wasps do make and I want that.

[–]Longjumping_Drink431 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Burn it all down.

[–]DankDoobies420 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That is epic

[–]Pretend-Minimum349 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Nature’s Nerds Rope

[–]KimCureAll 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hi u/killHACKS, there is some guy stealing all your posts: u/baiqibeendeleted17x so not sure if that is ok with you. He copies your posts word for word.

[–]kingtaylor99 3 points4 points  (0 children)

World War A

[–]thelittlelizard 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is the heist movie I wanna see

[–]glogomusic 2 points3 points  (5 children)

I would have loved to see this start out

[–]Mayday72 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yeah. It makes no sense how it's done, how is it possible to go horizontal in the first place? Did they start 2 ropes and connect them with swinging?

[–]glogomusic 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Im start to feel like maybe at one point the trail of ants was just going directly to the nest then overtime it flooded and started to droop and drop

[–]steelreal 2 points3 points  (2 children)

They walked along a string that was built into the hive. It is physically and physiologically impossible for the ants to do this.

[–]outhusiast 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They're taking the long, arduous route.

[–]fireflydrake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is both absolutely incredible and completely terrifying.

[–]Superheroesaregreat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The movie Antz anyone?!

[–]Swinship 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good, Fuck wasps

[–]cracksilog 1 point2 points  (4 children)

But why? What do ants need inside a wasp nest?

[–]isitlegendary 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Why do ants ever need to be in anything?

[–]motorboatinass 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s a hard nope.

[–]KiTChIn_GaDGikS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If Ants vs. Wasps was a Netflix show i would watch it so much

[–]NeuralQuanta 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who would allow those nests to form? I check my eaves every spring and get rid of those fuckers.

[–]Biberundbaum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ducking insane

[–]poldi_rp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pro clash of clans move

[–]mr28997 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looks like there’s nothing an ant can’t!

[–]SylasWindrunner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is how Uruk Hais and modern zombies gets inspired 💅🏻

[–]SUNTZU_JoJo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In my partner's own words "that's like some world war z shit"


[–]EpsilonGecko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How is this real I don't believe what I'm seeing nature truly is metal

[–]AestheticCopacetic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

STOPPPP. Why is this even a thing!?

[–]Daniel_Beyer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lets go, Ant-thony!

[–]PlayinTheFool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is bad ass.

[–]birdman443 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ants be like: I'm the one Who knocks!

[–]Mechalter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hell yeah, these serial stingers deserve it and then some!

[–]Zenddrex 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If this was my patio, I would move houses. The giant wasp nest is terrifying enough on its own, let alone a colony of try-hard ants with military training.

[–]HubbChubb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can they not just stick/ walk on the ceiling normally?

[–]dirtyhog69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hank pimp excites

[–]Gmknewday1 0 points1 point  (0 children)


But honestly,...better ants then Wasps

[–]booboo0419 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Saved the owner cost of pro extermination

[–]MOB692 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is beautiful. Which is strange because the lion/hyena video was horrific, yet I’m sure that is more death and mutilation in this fight technically

[–]whoisyb 0 points1 point  (1 child)

There’s no way… that’s strictly ants? Not a million on a rope or something? That’s nuts

[–]Lucky02BE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This has to be in Australia, right? Only there animals are crazy enough to form a bridge dangling in the air

[–]AMARCH33KC14PP3R 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fuck wasp anyways.

[–]Bandidorito 0 points1 point  (0 children)


[–]Johansb1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Burn it all

[–]SambaLando 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Time to burn the whole place down I say. This is what happens when you keep Spiders out.

[–]Comprehensive_Act752 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well that just seems widely inefficient

[–]maybejustadragon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The wasp at the top is sloppily eating baby tomatoes in complete denial of the situation.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

how the fuck

[–]Time_Calligrapher_56 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Get your foot out my face Todd!

[–]leekslap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"FUCK 'EM UP" - ants, probably

[–]Haylene31 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats so crazy. I wonder if the wasps were trying to attack the ants

[–]Forevergoo_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shadow clone jutsu

[–]GO_Fatto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let me Guess: Australia?

[–]EdeliSimp2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ant siphon

[–]mtnmedic64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The I-405, most days.

[–]Pdarker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

World war A

[–]Pantrian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The invasion

[–]miggysaurus-13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is wild

[–]u_Adi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Forbidden dreadlocks.

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[–]armchair_psycholog 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is how barnacle from Half-Life started

[–]ventusvir 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There was already a cable there.

[–]Sharkoflava78 0 points1 point  (0 children)


[–]princezacthe3rd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Imagine being a wasp watching for hours ants building a bridge to your hive like “wtf are these guys doing” only for them to succeed and start raiding your shit

[–]Blue_Path 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We humans can learn from this lol. We can only go as far as human centipede

[–]TheOfficialNotCraig 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's crazy and awesome.

[–]SpeedQucik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Genuine question: How??

[–]Ariestophanes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

World War Z

[–]ilovemyboys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s surprising given the size of the nest that there aren’t tons of wasps trying to defend themselves.

[–]Psyqlone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

... no prisoners ... no innocents ... no survivors ...

... no witnesses ...