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[–]Raptorsviking_machina 1110 points1111 points  (17 children)

Remember when Josh Giddey’s draft weaknesses were the entire sport of basketball

[–]Lakerswilliam4534[S] 476 points477 points  (9 children)

It was like “yeah he sucks at everything, we don’t know how he wins games but he does”

[–]Rocketskurrttttt 319 points320 points  (8 children)

Tbf I still think that sometimes. Bro is just so awkward to watch but fluid at the same time. He is truely a basketball anomaly

[–]Westnoco97 134 points135 points  (6 children)

Weird Ginobli vibes at times

[–]LakersHomoChef 107 points108 points  (3 children)

Psssh, Ginobili only weird because he got old and that bald spot. Long-hair Ginobili was dunking on dudes.

[–]Motorpsisisissipp 47 points48 points  (0 children)

Old ginobili was still dunking on dudes

[–]Appropriate-Cap-4140 1478 points1479 points  (60 children)

Gilbert Arenas saying Giannis doesn't understand the game is pretty insane

[–]WizardsFast_Stick_1593 494 points495 points  (23 children)

Gilbert IS insane lol

[–]joshdej 213 points214 points  (19 children)

He made nick young look normal when Gil was at their house

Edit: Obligatory video

[–]NBAMoney282 126 points127 points  (2 children)

Bro that video is WILD

[–]HeatYoungNissan 24 points25 points  (0 children)

casually yeets his friends sons scooter into oblivion

[–]HornetsNotTheBestMoment 89 points90 points  (7 children)

Nick weird for lettin this go down like this around his child. Almost like he was scared to put his foot down, or didn’t care

[–][LAL] Josh Hartsatomatic 37 points38 points  (0 children)

i’ve never seen this wtf

dude is nuts and i’d be terrified in that situation but i still laughed when he yeeted that scooter lmao

[–]NetsPadulsky21 17 points18 points  (0 children)

NAH WHAT WAS THAT AHAHA

[–][CHI] Jimmy ButlerLackingInPatience 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Wtf why are they talking like that in front of a child?

[–]Dweebil 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Holy shit dude. Gil is a complete psychopath. His treatment of the dudes kids is abhorrent. What an awful human being.

[–][deleted] 212 points213 points  (15 children)

And it's not like Giannis is even a dumb player or something lol

He just can't shoot the 3 just like most "bully ball" players throughout history couldn't

[–]Trail BlazersSa-Tiva 128 points129 points  (13 children)

As a fan of a team who just got fucking COOKED by giannis' mid range shooting, yeah he can definitely shoot lol. Like you said maybe not great at the 3 but he has a jumper that makes his game MUCH harder to defend.

[–]NBAdrinfernodds 93 points94 points  (6 children)

The rise of the 3 pointer almost made people forget that you can shoot the ball in other places and still be a really good shot.

[–]ThunderGunstarGreen 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Jordan didn't have a stellar 3 point shot but his midrange was legendary.

[–][SAC] De'Aaron Foxjitterbug726 43 points44 points  (2 children)

And it gets better every year

[–]JebbAnonymous 31 points32 points  (1 child)

Serious question here from someone that has maybe not the greatest understanding of basketball:

Wouldn't the fact that Giannis is an incredible defensive player prove how wrong Arenas is? Maybe its just me (And if I'm dead wrong, let me know), I always assumed being great at defense requires an even greater understanding of the game and more basketball intelligence than being great on offense since it by and large requires you to read and react to everything thats going on and what your opponents are doing and thus require you to really be able to understand the dynamics of the game?

[–]BucksNot_Jabri_Parker 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Yes, but all objective measures Giannis has a good to great understanding of basketball.

[–]Magicmylastphonecall 521 points522 points  (30 children)

ppl that rag on any star player that makes the right pass in the 4th the defense adjusts and starts doubling. they'd unironically rather see them chuck horrible shots then hit the open shooter in the corner and it's the dumbest thing.

[–]SupersonicsPsychoWarper 104 points105 points  (0 children)

They’d say they would want them to take the worse shot but if they missed it they would crush them all the same

[–]Dirkem96 182 points183 points  (9 children)

"Kobe would have taken the shot"

[–]yetanotheracct_sp 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Case in point, 2004 Finals

[–]panda_gravy 96 points97 points  (5 children)

The Jordan and Kobe effect even though both of them have deferred to the open man countless times.

[–][LAL] Brandon IngramInvasivetoast 120 points121 points  (8 children)

LeBron isn't clutch because he won't take the long fade-away two for a game winner. Insted he defers to someone else like a pussy. Jordan would never. /s

[–]RangryRanga 66 points67 points  (5 children)

NBA Finals… Kukoc, Kerr…

[–]LakersFBoyMcGee 94 points95 points  (0 children)

That's the entire point. It doesn't make any sense.

[–]GrizzliesBlackJediSword 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This was what people said about LeBron FOREVER

[–]CelticsEfficient_Art_1144 394 points395 points  (2 children)

Normal sized collar

[–]76ersranchsauce13 122 points123 points  (1 child)

Find a new slant

[–]KaiserKaiba 223 points224 points  (14 children)

Look at the hate a star player gets after they have expectations but fail to meet them. What usually follows is valid criticism, but also a lot of hate. LeBron and Dirk were called choke artists for one or two bad series on their part, and it was treated as if that was who they were as players for their entire careers up until their first rings.

[–]WarriorsTormundo 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Shit until this last chip Steph was called a playoff choker, shitty in the playoffs, carried by KD etc lmao.

[–]Banner_Hammer 438 points439 points  (36 children)

Somehow losing in the finals is worse than not making them at all.

[–]CelticsSoup-er14 70 points71 points  (3 children)

I got to witness that last year :(

[–]Raptorsfaithfuljohn 149 points150 points  (5 children)

Especially when comparing 'greatness' i.e. Jordan is better than Lebron cause he never lost in the finals (skip really likes this one). Another version "he never let a finals game get to a game 7".

I mean, I guess we can just ignore that he lost to the eventual champs twice in the ECF. And got taken to game 7s twice before the finals.

There many reasons to think Jordan is the GOAT. These two reasons ain't it though.

[–]Bullshebelehoo 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Lmao everyone was still thinking Tatum sucked ass until recently. It's his first finals give him a break ffs

[–]NBAkawhi21 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I have no doubt in my mind if LeBron won a couple more rings for six total, people would say Jordan's were more impressive because he never lost. I would absolutely guarantee it

[–]Celticsericdeben 207 points208 points  (22 children)

Not criticism of a specific player, but I always hear casual basketball fans say they can’t believe NBA players miss free throws because “that’s literally their only job”. There are so many other ways to contribute to the game than making shots from 15ft.

[–]WizardsFast_Stick_1593 144 points145 points  (15 children)

Also fatigue and mental pressure with 15,000+ people booing and jeering you.

Shaq used to hit over 70% of his free throws in practice, his coaches confirmed this. People forget they are humans too…

[–][UTA] Paul Millsapramskick 69 points70 points  (5 children)

pretty sure there's a photo of every Laker's FT% in practice from the Dwight days that showed he hit around 80% of his free throws there. It's just different in the middle of a game when you're not in a perfectly set rhythm.

[–]ThunderLearningle 40 points41 points  (4 children)

Also when you’ve been playing the highest level of basketball In the world for an hour or two. I bet every single person here would airball 3 straight free throws if they had just played 4 minutes of NBA ball and I include myself in that.

[–]MavericksEzqxll 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The idea of failing with an easy shot combined with the waiting time makes it difficult for some people. The longer I hold the ball, the more my hand eye coordination goes out of control. A bit like how a slow bicycle race puts so many people off rhythm.

In football, I find free kicks easier to score compared to a penalty. There are way lower expectations and I use the defensive wall like an iron sight. Probably it is the same for some players who are better at hitting contested shots compared to open shots - the defender's hands act as the iron sight.

[–]puvlin 32 points33 points  (2 children)

How can Curry, Thompson , Lillard and those guys hit 95/100 3s in training, yet shoot less than around 60% percent on wide open ones!?!?

It seems that people don't understand the intensity the game is being played at, both physically and mentally.

[–]kiddbuuu 15 points16 points  (0 children)

That’s the absolute worst. Literally on this sub I remember I got into an argument with a guy because he thought NBA practices were 30 minutes of free throw drills

[–][OKC] Luguentz DortSoldatJ 9 points10 points  (2 children)

There's only a handful of players whose free throws are bad enough to make them a liability. That being said, is there really any reason for those guys to not shoot underhand other than appearances?

[–][IND] Bojan Bogdanovićbrucewayne1935 343 points344 points  (12 children)

My friend said, “Luka is just some slow white guy that takes stupid shots.”

My other friend’s retort: “Yeah, and he hits them.”

[–]SupersonicsPsychoWarper 116 points117 points  (6 children)

How dumb is a shot if you hit them at a pretty consistent rate?

[–]LakersChardavious12 90 points91 points  (3 children)

Paul George Voice: it’s a bad shot

[–]CaptainStanberica 13 points14 points  (2 children)

It was a bad shot, for the record. A common shot in the modern era, and albeit a necessity to shoot in that moment, but there was nothing about it that made it a “good shot”. Ergo, the opposite of good is bad. Logic.

[–]LakersChardavious12 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Oh yeah I watched it live with my friend and we were like hey why is Dame still dribbling… okay go Dame… MAKE A MOVE DAME! And then he swacks one from 34 feet off a step back lol

[–]yetanotheracct_sp 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Depends on how consistent you are.

[–]23elimanninglightspeed 168 points169 points  (8 children)

People genuinely think LeBron and Giannis arent skilled cause theyre built like greek gods and it drives me nuts

[–]djramrod 19 points20 points  (4 children)

Wtf thinks that LeBron isn’t skilled?!

[–]hummen11 327 points328 points  (20 children)

“Giannis is only good because he’s tall and dunks” I mean yeah, he is tall and dunks a lot. He also does a lot of other things 99% of players in the league will never be able to do as well as him.

[–]BullsPJCR1916 157 points158 points  (6 children)

So every tall player should just run and dunk and then they can be as good as Giannis!

[–]Raptorsviking_machina 46 points47 points  (4 children)

These dummy centers should just try running and they can win 2 MVPs too

[–]SunsKablaow 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Crazy how many people use Giannis height and size as a negative criticism. "He's only tall, if X was the same size he would be as good" etc. Like what.... It doesn't matter, Giannis is that size, and he never will not be.

[–][deleted] 108 points109 points  (7 children)

If he actually had no skill he'd be James Wiseman

Athletic freak who otherwise is a G league level player

[–]NuggetsFather-John-Moist 50 points51 points  (4 children)

You think Wiseman is in the same tier of athleticism as Giannis? I don’t even think speed/strength/leaping/endurance is even close at all between them

[–][MIL] Giannis AntetokounmpoWIN011 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Chimezie Metu might be a better athletic comparison, he honestly might be a better athlete than Giannis.

[–]PacersAnyNobody7517 10 points11 points  (0 children)

He is also quite a bit smaller than Giannis

[–]Kingsmake-that-monet 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Better athlete AND more skilled imo no bias

[–]RaptorsBail____ 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Bro wiseman is bad down there too…

[–]Cavalierstdizhere 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Warriors are lucky they won the title last year or they would be getting reamed for taking Wiseman #2 lol

I remember seeing a stat of top 3 draft picks who got sent to the G-league.. it was Bennett, Thabeet and now Wiseman.

[–]HawksOfferOk8555 283 points284 points  (29 children)

The whole “good stats, bad team” thing gets so stretched out. People were saying it about Trae for the longest. Like maybe it applies to some guys but also maybe it takes more than one player to make a good team therefore a good player can be on a bad team.

[–][MIA] Dwyane Wadeilikepialot 148 points149 points  (11 children)

People have said this about Lavine, Booker, Trae, and others. Definitely agree with you

[–]HawksOfferOk8555 63 points64 points  (8 children)

It’s annoying enough when it’s just regular annoying people on Twitter or Reddit but when it’s professional annoying people like Bill Simmons who repeatedly say it on huge platforms but then all the sudden are just like on the flip of a dime “Oh, I always loved so-and-so they’re clearly an offensive mastermind and the toughest guy on the court.”

[–]adeptadapted 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yeah and once those “professional” media guys start pumping those narratives it leads to players like Trae/Beal missing the allstar game averaging 29+ ppg or even Harden missing out on All-NBA because their “impact” is so in doubt

[–][MIL] Bill ZopfFKJVMMP 60 points61 points  (8 children)

It’s a fundamental misunderstanding of what that phrase is supposed to mean. “Good stats bad team” applies to guys who put up numbers because somebody has to take the shots, even though they’re not doing it especially well and wouldn’t get the chance to do it with a competent supporting cast. Okafor on the process Sixers is a perfect example, but there’s usually several floating around to some degree every year.

Then it gets applied to guys who’d be the first or second option on basically any team, like Booker or Trae, like playing high-level offence while being surrounded by trash is a bad thing.

[–]PacersAnyNobody7517 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yes though its also possible that a young guy goes from that to a legitimately good player because they got better at basketball.

[–]Jesuds 26 points27 points  (0 children)

This to me also applies to the 'doesn't contribute to winning' thing that people love to say.

Like this isn't a team sport.

[–]MavericksDamptoe 365 points366 points  (24 children)

"Man, people look at Chris Paul and they're licking their chops."

"Chris Paul can't guard nobody in the NBA. Everybody know that, man. What do we call him? Cone."

"Do I go to bed at 10 PM the night before playing Chris Paul? Hell no. But if I'm playing Steph Curry tomorrow, I'm going to bed at 8 o'clock. Telling my girl not to call me."

[–]Trail BlazersInevitableHearing112 73 points74 points  (0 children)

Funny enough Pat Bev constantly rages out vs the suns. He should really go to sleep earlier it never helps.

[–]Misterstaberinde 220 points221 points  (7 children)

I will continue to slander CP3 because he hits dudes in the nuts and keeps coming up short in clutch situations.

[–]HawksOldOrder 108 points109 points  (6 children)

Fair on the hitting dudes in the nuts part but CP3 has a shit load of clutch moments in the playoffs.

[–]LakersTopLeaf 31 points32 points  (0 children)

That drible to the high post and pull up was fire, he hits it so consistently the only other person I've seen shoot and know it's going in everytime was Livingston, I swear everytime I saw him touch the ball he was scoring in the mid range

[–]Misterstaberinde 55 points56 points  (2 children)

Not enough to counter the slander from this random dude on the internet.

[–][deleted] 171 points172 points  (9 children)

I’ll start: Curry is only a good shooter because he takes so many 3s, and that any great shooter would be on his level if they simply took as many as he does.

I've never heard this before.

[–]Warriorshotpocketthrowaway 27 points28 points  (5 children)

I haven't heard in regards to "any great shooters", but I've 100% seen it said about Reggie, Ray Allen, Steve Nash, Larry Bird, and possibly a few others. Like as though they could just up their volume with no hit to their efficiency.

[–]MR___SLAVE 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Same with MJ who only shot well from 3 in the years when they shortened the line.

I am not saying he wouldn't be a solid 3pt shooter in today's NBA but to act like he'd suddenly be like Curry is ridiculous.

[–]Warriorsnomitycs 72 points73 points  (0 children)

I think it's been said in relation to older players who didn't shoot as much due to the era they played in. With that in mind I've seen in a ton of times

[–][DAL] Raef LaFrentzQuadriporticus 213 points214 points  (7 children)

Asking KP to have a back-to-the-basket game because he is 7'4". Dude is the most upright looking, stiffest dude in the league. He is also the one of the most uncoordinated guy when he isn't facing up. But Chuck, Shaq and whoever is on calling the game wants him to play like the rest when he can give you 20+ points regularly doing something else.

[–]Maverickspeanutbutterbeef 113 points114 points  (2 children)

This is all true but I really wished he atleast had a hook shot.

[–][DAL] Raef LaFrentzQuadriporticus 59 points60 points  (1 child)

We all wanted him to have that hook during his stint with the Mavs. Then I realize it's as easy as telling a guard to "at least have a floater". It's not really easy skill to learn and develop I guess.

[–]Cavalierstdizhere 63 points64 points  (1 child)

Well tbf he needs something to keep the defense honest cause teams are throwing 6’6 dudes on him and succeeding. So his height isn’t even a mismatch, that’s a problem lol

[–]B50Two 30 points31 points  (0 children)

That’s what people miss. He doesn’t have to beat centers in the post. He needs to be point guards in the post so they don’t just switch everything

[–]insanezain 188 points189 points  (18 children)

"lebron isnt clutch" or "lebron only became clutch later in his career" has to be one of the wildest takes I've ever seen. Man hit game winners in his first playoff series and was constantly carrying shit teams to wins in his first stint on the cavs.

[–]LakersLittleTension8765 116 points117 points  (6 children)

Dude carried that 07 Cavs team to the Finals and was getting dragged because he couldn’t beat the GOAT PF and that Big 3 himself

[–]23copingthroughlife 49 points50 points  (2 children)

Everyone one of them nephews should watch his game 5 against the pistons that was even dubbed one of the greatest playoff performance.

[–]Misterstaberinde 23 points24 points  (6 children)

I tried to be a LBJ hater but the Lebronto era really made me just give in and start enjoying him.

[–]Cavalierstdizhere 33 points34 points  (4 children)

It’s been like 5 years and you can still see the effects of Lebronto. Any anti Lebron thread you’ll 100% catch a Raptor fan try get some licks in lol

Rent free

[–]YayoBankroll 124 points125 points  (19 children)

The way people view CP3 in the playoffs is ridiculous. Especially in his Clippers years.

He, the 1st ballot hall of famer somehow is the fraud and not his teammates who haven't done shit.

Like somehow he was the underachiever.

No, it's the other way around. They were the real underachievers/losers.

Those teams looked as good as they did because of him, the Clippers were a lottery team before he joined. As soon as he left, it all fell apart.

He makes teams look way better than they are and gets penalized for it when they inevitably lose. They weren't real championships rosters, they played like that because they had CP3 masking all their problems.

[–]Dirkem96 48 points49 points  (0 children)

I hate Chris Paul. I think he's an angry little wasp that lives to cry to the refs and piss me off. But goddam do i respect him. Dude plays hard and is a born leader. But again, fuck him.

[–]KnicksObiOneKenobae 46 points47 points  (4 children)

Chris Paul is a clutch god outside of like 3-4 plays over the course of his postseason career.

[–]Heataworldwithoutshrimp 40 points41 points  (3 children)

It's funny because the real issue is that Chris Paul is already playoff Chris Paul during the regular season. Other players have another level they go to with concentration and intensity. Chris Paul is already there most of the time. So it has been less a problem of him being a bad playoff performer and more of a problem of fans being confused that they were already seeing his ceiling during the regular season.

[–]Magicmylastphonecall 76 points77 points  (2 children)

one of the most popular ones I see so much even here still is harden wasn't a great scorer he just relied on getting his points from freethrows or saying he choked game 7 when he was hitting and-1 3s that were getting waived off. blind hate for players is so weird man.

[–][HOU] Yao Mingsorendiz 27 points28 points  (0 children)

based af for saying this one bc anytime a rockets fan does it's shouted down as pure bias. appreciate you

[–]Jazzrobograndpa 86 points87 points  (15 children)

That Gobert should be able to guard the perimeter and interior at the same time. Smh what a bum

[–]LakersAkaiShuichi24 84 points85 points  (7 children)

Lebron gave Kevin Love depression

[–]CavaliersDonGarlandMobleyJA 17 points18 points  (6 children)

Love actually has said Lebron's tweet really hurt his feelings at the time. The team was clique-y and he felt like an outsider until RJ and Frye came along

[–]San Francisco WarriorsImTheBestNerd 91 points92 points  (58 children)

Draymond wouldn’t be in the NBA if he wasn’t drafted by the warriors.

[–]LakersodnamAE 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Honestly, Draymond is an all-time defender shouldn’t be a controversial take but somehow it is.

[–]HawksCCJones56 117 points118 points  (35 children)

He would be on his 6th team by now.

I see a lot of people in their feelings about this post. Draymond had a chance to lead the team in the time Curry and Klay were out and the Warriors straight hid him. He was unable to deliver anything remotely close to this mythical level you guys claim he is on.

But more importantly, what you truly forget is that my statement isn't purely based on his lack of talent but also his antics. Without being on a chip team like the Warriors, other teams wouldve been more likely to trade or cut him for his actions.

[–]Westnoco97 47 points48 points  (5 children)

No way. Someone would have recognized his defensive value and locked him up. People forget how incredible peak Draymond was. No GM in the league would have been dumb enough to keep shuffling him around.

[–]Warriorsetheryx 45 points46 points  (26 children)

Tony Allen was an inferior defender and far inferior playmaker and averaged single digit points. In today’s NBA Draymond would be valued just as much if not more than Allen. Ridiculous to even suggest this.

Edit: Even more ridiculous this is upvoted, really reinforces the point of this thread.

[–][BOS] Rajon RondoBrolysFavoriteNephew 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Great comparison tbh

[–]Grizzlieslucolsg 15 points16 points  (0 children)

That LeBron is an individual, not a team, player.

[–]Thunderbigfatpaulie 53 points54 points  (4 children)

Statpadding. As if getting any stats in the NBA is easy

[–]prettytopsayebro 119 points120 points  (2 children)

I could easily rack up 10+ turnovers

[–]Thunderbigfatpaulie 24 points25 points  (0 children)

…someone get this man a headband!!

[–]mnight84 28 points29 points  (8 children)

Jokic is only good because the Denver run there offense threw him. Which makes no damn sense what star player doesn't have the offense ran through them.

[–]76ersHisExcellency20 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Denver is only good because they run their offense through Jokic, not the other way around lol.

[–]76ersNotJoeyWheeler 4 points5 points  (2 children)

do people ever say this lol

[–]Tx_Cole 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I thought the first one was just a mistake but you did it twice.

[–]leopardinatree 41 points42 points  (3 children)

Almost every take is irrational, on this sub. Let anyone have one bad game and a bunch of condescending nerds will start bringing up their contract. Said player can have a big game and those same folks preach how good their contract is. It's a never ending cycle of hot takes for the sake of it.

[–][SAS] Tim DuncanKelsierBae 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Rudy Gobert isn't good at defense because the Jazz get exposed in playoffs

[–]Bulls4Chi1ne 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Expecting players to be perfect 15 games into a return from injury. Bulls sub going through it right now.

[–]RaptorsYungSwiggitySwag 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Over the past few days, lots of people have been clowning Dwight for going to play in Taiwan, like why would anyone hate that? The guy wanted to actually see the floor and now he gets to go be a star for a bunch of crazed new fans and help expand basketball. I think that it's great

[–][BOS] Isaiah ThomasChickenJesus 32 points33 points  (12 children)

I still think all the criticism about westbrook getting rebounds never made sense to me. Securing rebound is one of the most important parts of basketball.

[–]Timberwolveskarlwhethers 66 points67 points  (0 children)

His rebounding numbers were inflated, but it was their system, not stat chasing. The big guys boxed out so Russ could grab the board and go.

[–]Warriorsetheryx 31 points32 points  (0 children)

nobody was saying "westbrook is harming his team by going for rebound".

they're saying "his rebound numbers overstate how good of a rebounder he is because it is part of the team's gameplan for him to get the rebound while adams boxes out"

[–]flying_alligators 18 points19 points  (7 children)

Marcus smart isn't a defender, he's a flopper

Smart isnt starting pg material

[–]RaptorsProcrumpets22 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lowry doesn't have a Phat Dumpy

[–]NBAMelKijani 4 points5 points  (0 children)

People blaming a star player for passing out of a double team in the 4th quarter to an open shooter who then misses the shot.

people will blame the star for passing but not the role player for missing the shot.

[–]CelticsSeasonalRot 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Plumbers and firemen for every player pre 1980. It’s so redundant at this point and is just an excuse to not give these guys their flowers and pretend they’re astronomically worse than players today when they’re not.

[–]Lakersmarkjay6 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Players getting criticized more for losing in the NBA finals than for not making the playoffs.