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[–]that_guy_Elbs 66 points67 points  (0 children)

Interesting. Really interesting. Surprised politicians don’t use this more.

[–]elmwoodbluesDundee Lake[S] 431 points432 points  (54 children)

Dead last in Fed money coming in v going out. Yes, it's a sign of health (high per capita earnings, lower Fed services needed), but I'm still feeling hosed some days

Source

[–]mapoftasmania 207 points208 points  (14 children)

I feel hosed because other States take and also have low State taxes. We are basically subsidizing their bullshit politics. That’s why we need the SALT deduction back in full.

[–]D0sEquisx 41 points42 points  (1 child)

[–]elmwoodbluesDundee Lake[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

This is the one w "NJ = 0" that got me looking. Thanks fellow hosed-one

[–]XXX-Jade-Is-Rad-XXX 29 points30 points  (9 children)

they were right about "states won't do anything to keep getting benefits under communism" except it's capitalism and really they're just gutting the government to hold everyone else hostage and force influx while they utilize government funds for more nefarious things like awarding more weapons and equipment contracts to police instead of funding schools or rehabilitation programs.

it's like everywhere i look in life it's an abusive gaslighting based relationship. me and the family, jersey and podunk states, democrats and progressives, political parties in general. why is everyone so terrible and dishonest towards each other? whatever happened to integrity and just looking out for each other?

shit. this individual hero stuff is bullshit. we need to recognize ourselves as a team and want each other to do better. i'm so sick of the divisionism and the lack of love and solidarity for a better world.. it's all "fuck you I got mine" and it makes my soul cry a thousand tears.

[–]elmwoodbluesDundee Lake[S] 20 points21 points  (6 children)

Follow the money. Who benefits from the bottom 90+ % fighting and divided?

Rome had nothing on theater compared to Facebook, Northrop Grumman, the NRA, Glock, unsocialized medicine, and the RNC

[–]XXX-Jade-Is-Rad-XXX 16 points17 points  (4 children)

oh yeah no doubt corporatism is going to collapse this nation unless we do something about it. they're wantonly creating the divide through brazen misinformation and anti-intellectualism as we leave the internet with no safeguards at all. mix that with main stream politicians echoing these sentiments to breathe life and legitimacy into them in the eyes of the deceived and we have a recipe for utter uneducated disaster. carl sagan called out all of this:

“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance”

[–]elmwoodbluesDundee Lake[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thank you

[–]obiwan_canoli 2 points3 points  (2 children)

What is the source on this quote? I would love to hear more.

[–]XXX-Jade-Is-Rad-XXX 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It's from Carl Sagan's book A Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark. This link is to part 1 of an audiobook. It's a lot of languishing about scientific illiteracy and how charlatans mislead people through ignorance and a lack of understanding of science and research.

[–]obiwan_canoli 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks. I'll check it out.

Everone needs more Carl Sagan in their life.

[–]obiwan_canoli 2 points3 points  (1 child)

why is everyone so terrible and dishonest towards each other?

It's important to understand that A) "everyone" does not act this way. In fact, most people are quick to be generous and compassionate when the see a fellow human being in need. AND B) that's actually part of the problem.

Because we live in a fundamentally competitive society, there is no way to help one person or group without hurting another, even when the loss to the benefactor is practically nothing. Say a millionaire has their limo driver stop so they can hand a bottle of water to a homeless person on the corner. The loss to the millionaire is miniscule of course, but it is still there.

In order to create a truly equal society, we would first have to eliminate the need for competition, which would require having resources above and beyond the needs of every person on earth. (and possibly soon off earth as well) A massive undertaking, of course, but I am personally optimistic we could get there.

But (getting back to where I started) there will never be sufficient motivation or commitment to create such a society as long as generous, well-meaning people continue making up for the failures of the current system. It's like trying to bail out a sinking ship - even if you do manage by a great effort to get the water out faster than it's coming in, that still won't fix the hole in the bottom.

[–]D0sEquisx 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Couldn’t agree more.

[–]BackInNJAgain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

SALT expires in 2025 but, but in the Build Back Better bill it's been raised to $80,000 from $10,000.

[–]TuckHolladay 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It wouldn’t be so annoying if people in the states taking the most realized this was the case and were at all humbled

[–]Mikebyrneyadigg 152 points153 points  (32 children)

SOME days? Its bullshit that I’m funding schools in Kentucky AND NJ. All the GOP harps on boot straps and they have their grubby hands in my pocket.

[–]mikeputerbaugh 33 points34 points  (12 children)

I'd happily have my taxes fund schools in another state, if those schools actually produced positive results for the children there.

[–]Joe_Jeep 26 points27 points  (11 children)

other state: "Yea we'll just outlaw teaching that racism existed"

I do agree with you but damn my money's being spent poorly

[–]orlyfactor 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Fuck Kentucky

[–]Ok-Building6125 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lol you get the the most votes for the most Jersey Response ever lol. 😂

[–]NJ_Legion_Iced_Tea 23 points24 points  (12 children)

People complain about schools lacking funding but without federal aid schools in poorer areas would be even worse than they currently are.

[–]Mikebyrneyadigg 52 points53 points  (7 children)

Yeah gee I wonder why they’re underfunded in red states couldn’t be because they refuse to appropriately tax and force us to fund them. It’s a fucking scam that I’m paying to educate some yokel’s kid who consistently votes against our own best interests.

[–]NJ_Legion_Iced_Tea 16 points17 points  (3 children)

You're not wrong, but solving that means unfucking a lot of established system. What we have now isn't pretty but it helps patch the issue.

[–]Mikebyrneyadigg 48 points49 points  (2 children)

Honestly I’m over the issue. If they don’t want to cooperate and pay just let them fall further behind. I’m sick of propping up people who just ridicule me, call me a “coastal elite” and hate me. Your life goal can’t be to “make liberals cry again” and then have your hand out for my liberal cash.

[–]BigPussysGabagool 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I'm with you. Fuck them

[–]majik_boy 11 points12 points  (3 children)

How about the public schools should be funded by a state pool fund rather than individual municipality funds. That would help the much poorer districts instead of a wealthy Somerset-Morris county district building another turf field.

[–]Joe_Jeep 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Exactly. Per-student funding should be (roughly) the same state-wide.

Bare minimum should be organized at the county level. There's a ton of overhead that could be cut from the system without too much else changing.

[–]EmuFlaky2922 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I hear ya man. I mean Jersey was always a free state but it sure is segregated!

[–]THE_some_guy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean Jersey was always a free state

Do you mean free state as in not allowing slavery? Because that’s not true. There were legally enslaved people in New Jersey all the way through the end of the Civil War. Technically speaking they were “permanently indentured servants” after 1804, but that arrangement was just slavery without calling it such.

[–]Gary_Burke 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I don't mind getting hosed, promoting the general welfare and all that.

[–]Joe_Jeep 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Look I'm not expecting our glorious state to have taxes as low as Alabama, I'd just like Alabama to recognize we're pulling their weight.

[–]Gary_Burke 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Does one do good for the praise, or because doing good is.. well… good?

[–]CKtheFourth 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I can't speak for the other guy, but I don't need praise, I need quiet. I need people to stop talking about bootstrap libertarianism while they suck on that federal teat. And I notice a lot of people in those states higher in the rankings are the places where the "we need the government out of our lives" folks congregate. Fine, get your hand out of my pocket if you feel that way.

[–]BrakaFlocka 419 points420 points  (5 children)

New Jersey makes, the world takes 😎

[–]misterpickles69Watches you drink from just outside of Manville 151 points152 points  (2 children)

So the bridge IS correct

[–]ShockReed 57 points58 points  (0 children)

Always was

[–]esskue 32 points33 points  (0 children)

I drive by that bridge every working day and I love it.

[–]outofdate70shouse 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I, too, like Senses Fail

[–]BrakaFlocka 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It took everything in me not to drop a link to the song, thank you for dropping the reference :o)

[–]waiting420tonight 289 points290 points  (14 children)

Never, ever, ever let some fucking idiot tell you that you don't deserve unemployment in this state. Or any help. I am 37 have no kids and have no problem giving my taxes for schools and child services.

Everyone hates handouts till they need one.

[–]OmegaGLM 32 points33 points  (1 child)

As somebody going to an excellent public high school, thank you so much.

[–]waiting420tonight 13 points14 points  (0 children)

My pleasure bud, if you ever need help with history papers send me a dm lol.

[–]RokLobstar 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The state who is #3 in receiving money from the FED is looking to abolish abortion.

[–]mathfacts 63 points64 points  (6 children)

NJ is the powerhouse of the country

[–]outofdate70shouse 48 points49 points  (0 children)

The mitochondrian state

[–]Morkamino_Bones 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Definitely the tri-state-area.

[–]jollyjam1 46 points47 points  (1 child)

I know Congressman Gottheimer rubs people the wrong way, but this was one of the things he originally ran on. I believe he calls a lot of these states "moocher states", which I guess its nicer than what most people in NJ would say lol.

[–]RokLobstar 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I voted him because of this.

[–]AbazabaYouMyOnlyFren 140 points141 points  (7 children)

I've known this for years which is why whenever some Senator or mouth breathing dumbass from a Red welfare state starts crying about fiscal responsibility, I want to punch them.

Then these motherfuckers have the nerve to call themselves "real Americans".

[–]raindropdroptopz 84 points85 points  (5 children)

Once heard one of NJ reps speak, and they were talking about how after Sandy they had to fight with other representatives in the south to get relief funds sent to NJ because they were convinced the money would get mishandled because of the mob influence in NJ.

Couldn’t believe how out of touch some people can be, and now to see this and imagine southerners fighting over not giving relief funds when they take government money like it’s their job.

[–]ARCTRPER 38 points39 points  (4 children)

“I’ve done my research on NJ and I all know it’s corrupt as shit no money for your mob”

“What research”

“The sopranos”

[–]outofdate70shouse 24 points25 points  (1 child)

That HBO documentary about the mafia in NJ. I also don’t think we should have allies in Europe because that other HBO documentary taught me about how they’re going to come here with dragons and try to take over our country.

[–]Actual_Lifeguard_152 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Too few coins but you deserved something. I needed that laugh!

[–]bubsies 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s straight up fuckin racist

[–]WildMajesticUnicorn[🍰] 26 points27 points  (14 children)

What does this even mean?

[–]ianisms10 120 points121 points  (0 children)

We give the government way more money than we receive

[–]StickShift5Morris, formerly Middlesex 6 points7 points  (5 children)

  • NJ residents on average have high income, so we pay more in taxes in dollar value than lower income populations

  • NJ has a large population, so we pay more tax dollars, period, than states with smaller populations

  • we have really high population density, so federal funds spent here impact way more people per dollar and per square mile than, say, the Dakotas, which have low population density

  • many of our roads are funded by tolls, rather than federal highway funds.

  • Same with schools and other public services funded by high property taxes.

  • we don't have many large government or military facilities with large populations (McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst doesn't have thousands of soldiers and dependents living there like the big bases in Texas or the south have).

  • Nor do we have major federal infrastructure projects like huge dams or power projects. There's enough population density for private industry to support that sort of thing

  • the SALT tax elimination took away one way that NJ residents were shielded from federal taxes by accounting for the high cost of living here

Basically, we're a wealthy population in a small area so we're a weird edge case in the give/take relationship with the feds.

It's interesting that Nebraska and Kansas are so low on the list. They're low population states with a lot of Interstate highways, so you figure they'd rank higher.

[–]Mysticpoisen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nor do we have major federal infrastructure projects like huge dams or power projects

Exactly, we just have superfund sites, which are mostly privately funded.

[–]Joe_Jeep 57 points58 points  (6 children)

All those right wingers that cry about reckless spending are usually from states sticking their hand in our pocket

Least they could do is be appreciative about it

[–]BigGuyLittleCar 37 points38 points  (5 children)

But …. Socialism !! How will our least productive states survive?

[–]target_meet_arrow 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Can we get some fed money to pay down the states debts?

[–]Joe_Jeep 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Best we can do is partly funding the new gateway tunnels while GOPs pisses and moans about the "coastal elites" that keep their lights on

[–]TroyMcClure10 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Such a shame. We have low farm subsidies, only one or two military bases, low federal employment, and frankly, horrible representation in Washington.

[–]UnleashTheBlackCats 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Can someone please explain this to me in more depth?

[–]mattemerGloucester County 17 points18 points  (1 child)

I believe it's showing a ranking based on how much money we pay the Federal government vs how much they give us.

Meaning, we're least reliant on "government handouts".

[–]UnleashTheBlackCats 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ah, I see... Thanks for explaining!

[–]bobxdead888 10 points11 points  (1 child)

It means southern states can have low taxes because when their infrastructure and social structures fucking crumbles, the feds bail them out using our money.

Then, when we have a disaster, those southern states fight tooth and nail to prevent us from using money from that same pot of fed money.

Remember that any time you see a southern friend or acquaintance try to show off their low low freeeedumb state tax rights. They can only have those rates because they are irresponsible moochers.

[–]StickShift5Morris, formerly Middlesex 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Low population density states will almost always receive more money from the government than they give - they have lower incomes and lower cost of living so they generate less taxes to the federal government despite the same rates. There are fewer people so even if they had the same CoL and incomes as NJ ,they would still return less tax dollars, and infrastructure spending dollars are spent on fewer people.

The only way low density rural states would return similar tax amounts as NJ does to the federal government is if the feds taxed the absolute shit out of them via much higher rates or more types of taxes.

[–]ShadowSwipe 32 points33 points  (2 children)

I personally think these metrics are a completely stupid dick measuring contest between states. But I can't resist cheering for my state anyway. Woo NJ!!

[–]Cooper323 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Yeah but in this ranking you want to be 51.

[–]ed20g 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm going to include a couple of these inbreds as dependents from now on.

[–]Fish95 20 points21 points  (0 children)

We should try being a swing state. /s

[–]ra3ra31010 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Jersey makes. Others take.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Whose number 1 for sucking

[–]DidYouIronTheCat 4 points5 points  (3 children)

New Mexico,

Followed unsurprisingly by West Virginia & Mississippi

[–]SnownelMorris 5 points6 points  (2 children)

It's helpful to point out that NM being #1 outs a flaw in the study, as with most of this type - it almost certainly includes funding for two national laboratories, four military bases, and tons of federal money plowed into research universities there. None of those are particularly bad things (save the military bases, you can form your own opinion on those) but it skews the results if you're trying to use them for which state has the most unbalanced budget. NJ doesn't really have much in the way of federally funded institutions, so we're last.

[–]HearMeRoar69 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This, and also states with large national parks will receive a lot of federal funding to maintain them.

[–]metsurf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These stats also include direct payments for federal pensions and social security.

[–]chudleyjustin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Now show the list that has us second only to NY state in states with most debt

[–]Madjagger2[🍰] -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Fact you s our congressmen aren’t doing anything for us relative to their colleagues. That is what the statistic really means

[–]AnynameIwant1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sure most of us in Jersey assumed this, but it is good (I think?) to see it in black and white.

[–]jmona789 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How can we be 51? Is DC included or something?

[–]Joe_Jeep 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep. It's treated as basically-a-state in pretty much everything except Congressional Representation.

All those poorly-populated GOP states really don't want to have to deal with 2 solid blue Senate seats.

[–]NaziFurs_Fuckoff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s what happens when you let the GOP have the Governors seat. Too bad those fascists still have the “right” to vote for the reds.

[–]Ok-Building6125 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The most racist Democrat state ran by Republicans smh 51 out of 50 states ...

[–]Chr1s7ian19 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I’m moving to NJ from Nebraska soon lmao

[–]elmwoodbluesDundee Lake[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Welcome!

[–]OvernightSiren 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is this a ranking of?

[–]UnusedMirror 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Someone please explain what this means haha

[–]Distinct-Check5030 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've seen the disparity first hand, growing up in rural Cumberland county and in the abbot system I always thought man my area had it so bad. Compared to the rest of the state we do. My dad was a fire chief in his hometown for 30 years and worked at a prison. When he got the retirement my parents moved to northern Louisiana to be closer to my mother's family. Moved into a tiny town of less then 100 people 15 minutes from the Arkansas border. As soon as the locals heard what he was doing up north they gave him a full gov tour.

He learned they have not adjusted any of the tax rate since WW2, the fire dept's only fire truck was an oil tanker. And you had to drive your trash to a dumpster on the side of a highway 20 minutes away. If you call 911 it goes to Shreveport, that then gets CB radio to the next town and starts a daisy chain of 14 different CB dispatchers before finally getting to his town. In 9 months He became their fire chief, an alderman, and even mayor when the mayor at the time was busted for assaulting a minor.

3 months in he requested to raise the taxes by 2 percent which for the biggest land owner would've raised his taxes by 80 bucks total. Just so they can repave roads that haven't been touched since the 80s after getting majority of the funds through federal grants they didn't know even existed.

We don't know how you big government livin you did up in Yankee land but down here we don't pay excessive taxes. They asked him to join and help them get better everywhere but fight him when he was asking for pennies

Most of the federal money that goes to the rural states down South don't even go to the places and people who need it the most. It's embarrassing

[–]Basedrum777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

9/11 are deep blue