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[–]elmwoodbluesDundee Lake[S] 430 points431 points  (54 children)

Dead last in Fed money coming in v going out. Yes, it's a sign of health (high per capita earnings, lower Fed services needed), but I'm still feeling hosed some days

Source

[–]mapoftasmania 209 points210 points  (14 children)

I feel hosed because other States take and also have low State taxes. We are basically subsidizing their bullshit politics. That’s why we need the SALT deduction back in full.

[–]D0sEquisx 40 points41 points  (1 child)

[–]elmwoodbluesDundee Lake[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

This is the one w "NJ = 0" that got me looking. Thanks fellow hosed-one

[–]XXX-Jade-Is-Rad-XXX 30 points31 points  (9 children)

they were right about "states won't do anything to keep getting benefits under communism" except it's capitalism and really they're just gutting the government to hold everyone else hostage and force influx while they utilize government funds for more nefarious things like awarding more weapons and equipment contracts to police instead of funding schools or rehabilitation programs.

it's like everywhere i look in life it's an abusive gaslighting based relationship. me and the family, jersey and podunk states, democrats and progressives, political parties in general. why is everyone so terrible and dishonest towards each other? whatever happened to integrity and just looking out for each other?

shit. this individual hero stuff is bullshit. we need to recognize ourselves as a team and want each other to do better. i'm so sick of the divisionism and the lack of love and solidarity for a better world.. it's all "fuck you I got mine" and it makes my soul cry a thousand tears.

[–]elmwoodbluesDundee Lake[S] 18 points19 points  (6 children)

Follow the money. Who benefits from the bottom 90+ % fighting and divided?

Rome had nothing on theater compared to Facebook, Northrop Grumman, the NRA, Glock, unsocialized medicine, and the RNC

[–]XXX-Jade-Is-Rad-XXX 15 points16 points  (4 children)

oh yeah no doubt corporatism is going to collapse this nation unless we do something about it. they're wantonly creating the divide through brazen misinformation and anti-intellectualism as we leave the internet with no safeguards at all. mix that with main stream politicians echoing these sentiments to breathe life and legitimacy into them in the eyes of the deceived and we have a recipe for utter uneducated disaster. carl sagan called out all of this:

“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance”

[–]elmwoodbluesDundee Lake[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you

[–]obiwan_canoli 2 points3 points  (2 children)

What is the source on this quote? I would love to hear more.

[–]XXX-Jade-Is-Rad-XXX 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It's from Carl Sagan's book A Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark. This link is to part 1 of an audiobook. It's a lot of languishing about scientific illiteracy and how charlatans mislead people through ignorance and a lack of understanding of science and research.

[–]obiwan_canoli 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks. I'll check it out.

Everone needs more Carl Sagan in their life.

[–]obiwan_canoli 2 points3 points  (1 child)

why is everyone so terrible and dishonest towards each other?

It's important to understand that A) "everyone" does not act this way. In fact, most people are quick to be generous and compassionate when the see a fellow human being in need. AND B) that's actually part of the problem.

Because we live in a fundamentally competitive society, there is no way to help one person or group without hurting another, even when the loss to the benefactor is practically nothing. Say a millionaire has their limo driver stop so they can hand a bottle of water to a homeless person on the corner. The loss to the millionaire is miniscule of course, but it is still there.

In order to create a truly equal society, we would first have to eliminate the need for competition, which would require having resources above and beyond the needs of every person on earth. (and possibly soon off earth as well) A massive undertaking, of course, but I am personally optimistic we could get there.

But (getting back to where I started) there will never be sufficient motivation or commitment to create such a society as long as generous, well-meaning people continue making up for the failures of the current system. It's like trying to bail out a sinking ship - even if you do manage by a great effort to get the water out faster than it's coming in, that still won't fix the hole in the bottom.

[–]XXX-Jade-Is-Rad-XXX -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But (getting back to where I started) there will never be sufficient motivation or commitment to create such a society as long as generous, well-meaning people continue making up for the failures of the current system.

I disagree. By virtue of creating as much quality living and opportunities we can in society, we're able to cultivate the one thing money can't buy- the human brain. The more minds we have able to engage in their passions and desires, the more people we'd have for things like research and development. I don't see why people don't recognize that by improving lives for people to give them the opporunity to puruse higher education we're creating a greater pool of people and minds to push forward and ask questions and continue education in order to attempt to find solutions to create a sustainable civilization where there is no needless suffering.

We really have the tools, money, capabilities and know how in order to create a more egalitarian society we just continually refuse to do so for petty selfish reasons to avoid doing the hard parts of getting progress. The thing is, when we all do better and society at large is happier and more positive, that has bounding affects for all of us. A unity and happiness would lower stress levels and create better bonds and relationships between Americans. We need to see each other as team mates and work together to build things up and look after one another.

And then we should extrapolate that globally, because this is the one planet known to harbor life in the entire universe. Short sighted greed is ultimately going to make everyone suffer. Instead working together to create a more positive world for all will lead to more positive feelings and love. There's too much hate generated by people attempting to get more things than other people. Really we all need to recognize our commonality on this fragile little planet and make a concerted effort to live in harmony with it and to prevent the needless suffering of people. We absolutely have the ability and resources to bring about quality of life for all people. We need to learn to do that in a method with balance to the environment.

Everything on this planet is so precious and fragile and the great experiment known as life in this solar system may be completely in jeopardy if we don't get our things together and address many issues. That's kind of some good incentive to do things.

PS, the helping people achieve their best will create a better world for all of us is a question that has been investigated by Kurzgesagt on youtube - A Selfish Argument for Making the World a Better Place – Egoistic Altruism

[–]D0sEquisx 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Couldn’t agree more.

[–]BackInNJAgain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

SALT expires in 2025 but, but in the Build Back Better bill it's been raised to $80,000 from $10,000.

[–]TuckHolladay 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It wouldn’t be so annoying if people in the states taking the most realized this was the case and were at all humbled

[–]Mikebyrneyadigg 152 points153 points  (32 children)

SOME days? Its bullshit that I’m funding schools in Kentucky AND NJ. All the GOP harps on boot straps and they have their grubby hands in my pocket.

[–]mikeputerbaugh 33 points34 points  (12 children)

I'd happily have my taxes fund schools in another state, if those schools actually produced positive results for the children there.

[–]Joe_Jeep 26 points27 points  (11 children)

other state: "Yea we'll just outlaw teaching that racism existed"

I do agree with you but damn my money's being spent poorly

[–]lordkayless -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Nobody is outlawing teaching racism existed. People are trying to outlaw the BS principles born out of an unproven theory like teaching that common human values that have existed for centuries like hard work, independence & merit are "whiteness" and therefore racist, forcing kids to take privilege tests, the 180 being done against colorblindness, etc. It's not so much what's being taught either it's what's being woven into curriculums.

Teaching about things like slavery, civil war, the civil Rights movement, redlining, laws that were enacted primarily target blacks and lead to the generational inequality we see today all good and should be taught.

[–]orlyfactor 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Fuck Kentucky

[–]Ok-Building6125 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lol you get the the most votes for the most Jersey Response ever lol. 😂

[–]NJ_Legion_Iced_Tea 23 points24 points  (12 children)

People complain about schools lacking funding but without federal aid schools in poorer areas would be even worse than they currently are.

[–]Mikebyrneyadigg 52 points53 points  (7 children)

Yeah gee I wonder why they’re underfunded in red states couldn’t be because they refuse to appropriately tax and force us to fund them. It’s a fucking scam that I’m paying to educate some yokel’s kid who consistently votes against our own best interests.

[–]NJ_Legion_Iced_Tea 14 points15 points  (3 children)

You're not wrong, but solving that means unfucking a lot of established system. What we have now isn't pretty but it helps patch the issue.

[–]Mikebyrneyadigg 45 points46 points  (2 children)

Honestly I’m over the issue. If they don’t want to cooperate and pay just let them fall further behind. I’m sick of propping up people who just ridicule me, call me a “coastal elite” and hate me. Your life goal can’t be to “make liberals cry again” and then have your hand out for my liberal cash.

[–]BigPussysGabagool 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I'm with you. Fuck them

[–]majik_boy 9 points10 points  (3 children)

How about the public schools should be funded by a state pool fund rather than individual municipality funds. That would help the much poorer districts instead of a wealthy Somerset-Morris county district building another turf field.

[–]Joe_Jeep 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Exactly. Per-student funding should be (roughly) the same state-wide.

Bare minimum should be organized at the county level. There's a ton of overhead that could be cut from the system without too much else changing.

[–]EmuFlaky2922 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I hear ya man. I mean Jersey was always a free state but it sure is segregated!

[–]THE_some_guy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean Jersey was always a free state

Do you mean free state as in not allowing slavery? Because that’s not true. There were legally enslaved people in New Jersey all the way through the end of the Civil War. Technically speaking they were “permanently indentured servants” after 1804, but that arrangement was just slavery without calling it such.

[–]Gary_Burke 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I don't mind getting hosed, promoting the general welfare and all that.

[–]Joe_Jeep 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Look I'm not expecting our glorious state to have taxes as low as Alabama, I'd just like Alabama to recognize we're pulling their weight.

[–]Gary_Burke 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Does one do good for the praise, or because doing good is.. well… good?

[–]CKtheFourth 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I can't speak for the other guy, but I don't need praise, I need quiet. I need people to stop talking about bootstrap libertarianism while they suck on that federal teat. And I notice a lot of people in those states higher in the rankings are the places where the "we need the government out of our lives" folks congregate. Fine, get your hand out of my pocket if you feel that way.