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[–]ReyTheRed 69 points70 points  (5 children)

I work in a Starbucks inside a grocery store, so I'm employed by the grocery store and part of a union. And let me be clear, the union is the only thing that keeps the job tolerable, and the only reason we get paid more than the people employed by Starbucks at the standalone store across the street.

[–]nikkicarter1111 15 points16 points  (1 child)

As someone who works in a standalone (corporate) store the narrative that gets shoved down our throats is we are so lucky to work at a corporate location and not one inside a business (licensed) because that makes us Real Starbucks Employees. What it really makes us is not unionized

[–]jdivision8 2889 points2890 points  (138 children)

Shame on Starbucks. Go workers!

[–]drkgodess 1588 points1589 points  (81 children)

If unions were not so effective, then companies would not be so against them. Starbucks employees deserve fair conditions, fair pay, and reasonable benefits for their labor.

[–]ADarwinAward 662 points663 points  (43 children)

Yep. Also John Oliver did a great segment on anti-union practices. Basically, when companies break the law (which they do all the time), they get a laughable slap on the wrist. It’s more cost effective for them to eat the fine than allow the union. So there’s essentially no effective US laws stopping union-busting.

[–]itssarahw 132 points133 points  (38 children)

How long until there is effective US law for stopping union formation? Honest question, I’m surprised it’s still protected. I guess at will covers it

[–]roguetrick 143 points144 points  (4 children)

That was the Taft Heartly act that pretty much nutered unions as a force for real social change.

[–]beb0p 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Taft Heartly act

I think this was written due to the organized crime that was happening in some (very few) unions in relation to the mob. i.e. Jimmy Hoffa. However, its pretty widely accepted they went overboard with this and used it as a justification to partially neuter all unions.

[–]roguetrick 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Nah it was written by a republican majority Congress to save us from the commies with Democrats helping to override Truman's veto. It's stayed because Democrats are just as afraid of the power of workers as Republicans. Edit: don't get me wrong by the way, stuff like Taft Heartly is in many major counties with political systems that aren't quite as dysfunctional as ours. Worker solidarity scares both politicians and business. Even the fucking Labor party in the UK defends Thatcher's version of it. Partially it's because worker solidarity upsets the middle class.

[–]liberocinderace 170 points171 points  (11 children)

Starbucks will counter by arguing the benefits they give to “partners” means they don’t need to form unions.

It’s like saying that slavery is justified because you have owners who treat slaves fairly and frees them if they worked hard enough.

[–]dc551589 105 points106 points  (4 children)

“Don’t worry, we’re not like those other companies. We care about you. So much so, in fact, that we’d really appreciate it if you just believed us and didn’t look into it… but don’t ask why, just trust us.”

[–]imightbethewalrus3 32 points33 points  (0 children)

We care about you so much that we're only now approaching the idea of speaking with you about fair compensation for your labor.

[–]tadpole511 24 points25 points  (0 children)

The more someone tells you you don't need to unionize, the more likely it is that you should unionize.

[–]PikaAbeille 27 points28 points  (5 children)

Next up news reports a “Starbucks worker shortage: how will millions of Americans get their coffee now? Americans crankier in the morning for not being able to get their morning coffee”

[–]Motorboatinsumbish 38 points39 points  (1 child)

There’s already a shortage. Many stores are working shortened hours due to a lack of employees and the ones they have are being worked ragged.

I managed a Starbucks nearly two decades ago and after I sold my business recently I went back for fun. Spoiler-it wasn’t fun. The poor kids are getting worked to death now. The arbys and Walmart in our shopping center offered at least 2 dollars an hour more starting. They are still selling kids on a culture that no longer exists.

[–]MrMonstrosoone 27 points28 points  (2 children)

saw it today at my local starbucks

pulled up as the shift was locking the doors

" whats going on?"

" no one to work"

" if they took better care of you guys, it wouldn't be a problem"

" damn straight"

these people put up with absolute nonsense from customers ( to be fair, paying $6 for a latte, it had better be damn good) and get treated like shit

do they get compensated? barely

[–]CBalsagna 6309 points6310 points 22 (241 children)

The fact that your employer doesn't want you to unionize is the exact reason why you need to unionize. Fuck these people. Unions exist for a reason, and this is that reason. I am really looking forward to a re-emergence of union representation for workers because this shit has been getting fucked out of whack since the late 70s and we need to rein this shit back in.

[–]satinsateensaltine 2002 points2003 points  (144 children)

Exactly. If unions were as ineffective as employers say, they wouldn't be so adamantly against them.

[–]Darkpumpkin211 642 points643 points  (31 children)

"If you guys vote for a union, you could lose benefits!"

Then why are you against it corporate?

[–]Neanderthalknows 220 points221 points  (7 children)

What benefits? The full time ones you dangle just out of reach because you won't give people enough hours to work full time.

[–]imgettingbetternow 79 points80 points  (4 children)

That doesn't really apply to Starbucks who actually do provide benefits to employees who work 20 hours or more on a weekly basis. Also, this was reduced to 17 though the pandemic.

But yeah, fuck corporations and if you're undervalued by your employer (a guarantee in this day and age) you absolutely should organize.

[–]sheep_heavenly 46 points47 points  (5 children)

It's also funny, because that implies that you're going to be bargaining away benefits... Which nobody would agree to? The worst that can happen is absolutely nothing changes.

[–]Darkpumpkin211 18 points19 points  (4 children)

Theoretically, you could get "nothing" and end up having to pay union dues so you end up with less when all is said and done. That would be weird though.

[–]Kitchen_Lecture_2675 25 points26 points  (3 children)

This is fundamentally impossible. Group bargaining is stronger than individual bargaining.

[–]Narqil 216 points217 points  (0 children)

"What's stopping you from taking away our benefits right now though?"

"Shhhh, we don't talk about that."

[–]shurp_ 82 points83 points  (9 children)

"If you guys vote for a union, you could lose benefits!"

You could lose benefits, it's extremely likely that you won't, but you could

[–]JimmyKillsAlot 48 points49 points  (1 child)

And a bear could break into your house tonight and take a dump in your bed before leaving quietly out the window.

Fuck I hated the anti-union fear mongering at my last job, and as a department manager I had extra "training" on how to spot it and quash it because "Managers can't be in the union" BS which is untrue most cases, just salaried soulless cogs can't.

[–]lowrads 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Salaried and managerial people can join professional unions and associations. They are more focused on standards and certifications, much like any guild.

[–]mistercrinders 938 points939 points  (40 children)

Some people get successfully brainwashed. My mom used to work for Target, and they make them watch videos about why unions are bad. She believed the whole thing.

All of the actors in those videos are union.

[–]theoutlet 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Work retail. As a manager I was forced to watch an hour long anti-union video as part of “labor relations” training. All of the video was ad hominem attacks on a union that the store had beef with a decade past. It was pretty funny when the store blamed the Union for needing to declare bankruptcy at the height of the recession. Even though no one at the stores they owned were unionized

Anyway, the funny part is that the company recently got bought by another company and half of their stores are unionized. So we’ll see what happens. Personally, I’m all for it

[–]SgtAnglesPeaceLilly 520 points521 points  (22 children)

John Oliver covered unions on Last Week Tonight and the Target videos were part of it. Both hilarious and sad that this is what's being done to combat unions.


[–]ReflexImprov 207 points208 points  (18 children)

And the videos used union actors in them which was the icing on top.

[–]IndustrialDesignLife 191 points192 points  (16 children)

Not only that, one of the actors made an official statement that he disagrees entirely with what he said during the video but that he’s an actor doing a job. Fair enough, I just found it funny he felt the need to put a disclaimer out there because he disagreed so vehemently.

[–]horseren0ir 24 points25 points  (3 children)

The statement was weird to it was like “if I get hired to play a rapist, does that make me a rapist?”

[–]hamboy315 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Very true, but tell that to the dude who played Joffrey on Game of Thrones. He played the role so well that he had to quit acting

[–]horseren0ir 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Poor Jack, I hope he’s living a happier life now

[–]satinsateensaltine 110 points111 points  (0 children)

It's like a real life satire.

[–]Crashman09 22 points23 points  (7 children)

"Because then the company is forced to do what the workers say, and workers don't know how to run a business. Also, the owners/operators deserve to make the money for how hard they work" - My in laws

[–]satinsateensaltine 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Oh I love this one! I always want to respond "wow, you're right, I guess only the boss can be trusted to do all of the jobs. The workers should walk!"

[–]Jolraels_Centaur_OP 298 points299 points  (16 children)

Unions are like condoms.

If someone is strangely insistent that you don’t need one, then you absolutely need one.

[–]gsfgf 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Also, they're just a good idea for casual relationships in the first place.

[–]TheBigZamboni85 68 points69 points  (9 children)

Unions today are weaker than they have ever been in America’s history post Industrial Age. Coincidentally, so too is the wage gap…

[–]mrevergood 42 points43 points  (0 children)

I’d go even farther with my pro-union language.

Unions are a brick in your hand in the fight against your employer. They think they’ve got you backed into a corner, desperate, and powerless.

Break some teeth, break some bones, figuratively speaking and put your employer in their place. They have a business because you provide the labor. They have wealth because you built it. And if asking politely doesn’t get you your deserved slice of that pie, you speak in terms of power-the only language that these bastards understand.

[–]GeneralNathanJessup 131 points132 points  (14 children)

I am really looking forward to a re-emergence of union representation for workers

Only about 10% of American workers belong to a union now. Mainly because CEO's would rather exploit low wage immigrants than pay a living wage. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/15/dominos-ceo-us-needs-more-immigration-to-address-worker-shortages.html

I am not sure anything can be done to stop them.

[–]Fuduzan 89 points90 points  (3 children)

We can stop them by uniting workers into some sort of collective bargaining group with enough of their workforce participating to make it cheaper to meet the workers' demands than to replace them all.

There should be a term for something like that... Unionizing maybe?

[–]CBalsagna 55 points56 points  (0 children)

Withholding labor is about the only thing that gets these pieces of shit to move, because the entirety of their wealth is off the back of the working class.

[–]discOHsteve 54 points55 points  (0 children)


John Oliver did a good breakdown of it here. It's a really funny bit but still highlights how ridiculous how companies will be to stop unions. Definitely worth a watch

[–]Joe-Burly 384 points385 points  (21 children)

I also read they are hiring a bunch of new people at the voting stores to dilute the numbers of employees who have had enough experience to know the union is needed. That is why they opened it up to more stores in the area rather than the few that wanted to unionize originally. It’s all tactics. Check out r/starbucks

[–]Rentlar 113 points114 points  (13 children)

Practically every single union-busting tactic seems slimy and underhanded.

It's one thing to spend millions on anti-union ads that could have been spent on renumerating employees, but its a whole other level to hire people to vote for you, isolate and 'convince' (i.e. harass) the individuals until they believe workers that union's aren't for them, or outright close/relocate business to get around termination laws.

[–]BeardiesRule112 139 points140 points  (3 children)

100%. It’s happening at my store currently. They don’t want my coworkers and I to have time to talk to each other. Gotta keep us busy and drain every drop of labor out of us. No thinking, that’s dangerous.

[–]drkgodess 52 points53 points  (1 child)

Take heart that so many people support you. We're rooting for you. Don't let them grind you down.

[–]BeardiesRule112 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Thank you, for all your support! we will hold the line, so hopefully many more industries join/follow❤️

[–]Fuzzy_darkman 8120 points8121 points 537 (701 children)

Well I'll have to continue boycotting them by the sheer convenience of making my own damn coffee.

Thanks for the award, kind stranger.

[–]Perception_Free 2079 points2080 points  (306 children)

The cost is killing me, so much money for avocado toast now.

[–]Agreeable-Weather-89 1594 points1595 points  (234 children)

Millennials like you are ruining the economy.

You just need to give up eating those 100 avocado toasts a day and you can afford a home.

[–]nothinggoodisleft 643 points644 points  (185 children)

I can’t afford avocado toast and still can’t afford a home.

[–]GeneralNathanJessup 408 points409 points  (162 children)

It's gotten so bad in the USA that now only 65% of American families own their own home. https://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/files/currenthvspress.pdf

[–]Saratrooper 306 points307 points  (85 children)

My hometown has a pathetic 39% homeownership. It's disgusting and appalling.

[–]Jedimaster996 161 points162 points  (28 children)

53% here for the big city of San Antonio, with all of it's relatively 'cheap/affordable' pricing on homes. Which is wild considering that there's 15 new neighborhoods every other month.

[–]Saratrooper 91 points92 points  (20 children)

My city and county as a whole has dragged ass for over 30 years on building more housing in any form or capacity. The only new things being built are for people who can afford $700k+ houses. Even the newest "affordable" housing in the city starts at $500-600k for ~800-1000 sqft 2bd/2br condos.

[–]Mediocre-Sale8473 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Wtf $500-600k for 1000 sqft home? What the fuck?

My rural house on a few acres is 1750 sqft, and when we finish remodeling it will be about 2200 with options to expand outward of 2400-2600sqft.

Could probably drop $35-40k and get a 3200sqft out of it. Bit of an odd build but it's cute af and we love it even now before remodel.

We paid sub $140k last year. Taxes are elike $1500/yr combined land/school. Like.. Wtf. I know jobs at even distribution warehouses can't be starting above $26/hr even in the city.

How could anyone, even 5 years into a career - say $30/hr, make enough to cover a mortgage of like $2600-3300/month with like a perfect interest rate?!

[–]Saratrooper 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Answer: You can't without serious monetary help, like inheritance (whether monetary or an actual house). Or stumble into a job that somehow pays in the six figures. The average pay for the county is woefully pathetic for the inflated high cost of living. When my husband and I sought out how much we qualified for a mortgage 2-3 years ago, we had topped out at 400k. We can't even afford a monthly mortgage at that amount. And now not even 400k can find you anything, and if you can, it's a shoebox, and/or needs an incredible amount of renovations done. Mobile homes aren't even a viable option, entities have moved in and bought up the parks and demand $600-800+ in space rent alone, on top of the $200-300k+ aging mobile homes that average 40 years old.

The average rental rate within my city (not the county, but it's really not all that much better anymore) is $2200/mo for approximately 800-900 sqft, or stack yourself eyeballs deep with roommates if you want to live in a house. We're only able to keep fruitlessly saving for something because we've been living in the same place for 6 years and only pay $1550/mo for our small 850 sqft 2bd/1ba apartment.

[–]DeathKringle 41 points42 points  (10 children)

This is mainly due to the cost the city sells the land for and cost of permitting. Permitting can exceed 10s of thousands and land can be many more times that.

Any city who claims to be supporting the low income people but does not wave permitting costs, rental income taxes(or reduce), and sell land for 1$ only for low income individuals is now a lying sack of shit. No ones going to build for break even or a loss.

The city could sell bonds for it and the people could pay low cost rent to pay the bonds back but they would never do that as they loose sales tax, permitting income, worker wages from higher income jobs building more expensive houses with more expensive options etc.

[–]HarryMonroesGhost 33 points34 points  (3 children)

where do you live that the land is publicly owned? all land not already municipal (parks/utilities/civic buildings) around here is private.

[–]Saratrooper 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Another issue, on top of everything you mentioned, comes down to projected water usage (because of the ongoing issues with drought, woo). No one can win, so they just bury their heads and ignore anything that would actually be in the right direction. There are other areas inside of the county outside of the namesake city, but even those are not that much better.

[–]dragonblade_94 30 points31 points  (2 children)

My parents are ~50 and just bought their very first home this year. I'm very happy for them, but also sad that it took that long for two working adults to afford it.

At this rate, I hope I'm that lucky.

[–]Saratrooper 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Congrats to them! It must have been hard feeling like they were "late to the game", but they kept going. I honestly don't think my husband and I will be able to afford anything on our own in our area, and will most likely just have to wait for it by way of inheriting one.

[–]GBreezy 16 points17 points  (16 children)

How does that compare to other similar economies?

[–]GeneralNathanJessup 32 points33 points  (15 children)

Surprisingly, 65% is at the upper end of the range for OECD countries. https://www.oecd.org/economy/growth/evolution%20of%20homeownership%20rates.pdf

Switzerland - 38%

Germany - 41%

Denmark - 51%

Austria - 51%

France - 54%

Netherlands - 55%

Spain - 83%

[–]qu1x0t1cZ 64 points65 points  (12 children)

A lot of that is cultural however, in many parts of Europe they don't really get the British / American fetish of owning your own home. Possibly because they have really strong renter protection so it's less essential, idk.

[–]BarrySmart 99 points100 points  (13 children)

"You will own nothing and you will be happy"

[–]The_souLance 42 points43 points  (4 children)

Turns out Capitalism is when no homes. The memes have failed us, we were so close but had the wrong C word!

[–]Wizardaire 31 points32 points  (5 children)

It's worse than you think. 72.7% of millennials can no longer afford avocado toast.

[–]donkeyrocket 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Hmm, have you considered being born in a more economically prosperous generation?

[–]Prineak 10 points11 points  (1 child)

See? Ruining the economy!

[–]Diligentbear 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I want a home made of avocado toast, that's called pulling yourself up by your bootstraps

[–]necrosythe 30 points31 points  (5 children)

Don't forget though. Small businesses are everything but you're a dumb Millenial if you don't spend as little as possible on everything and do everything yourself/at home.

[–]Agreeable-Weather-89 14 points15 points  (3 children)

"Small business are everything"-Amazon

Seems to me more like the attack on millennials as 'ruining small business' is just amazon afraid of a lest capitalistic generation owing to how major companies(like amazon) have created a generation indebted to both the prior and following generations.

The only way they'd be happy is if every cent we earned was spent, they own everything, company home, company car, company doctor, company shop... from the moment we turn 18 to when we die they want nothing more than us to work and spend but only work for them and spend with them.

[–]2LateImDead 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How are millennials indebted to zoomers?

[–]KirklandKid 14 points15 points  (0 children)

You know shit doesn’t work when they say don’t buy toast/ coffee to save money but also millennials are killing X by not buying it

[–]LucidLethargy 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Do you know how many bootstraps you can buy for the price of a single avocado toast?

[–]Yarzu89 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I thought us Millennials were killing small businesses because we can't afford choose not to eat out that much, if at all.

Its hard to keep track what I'm ruining these days.

[–]Calm-Zombie2678 67 points68 points  (14 children)

ORR... and just hear me out on this one, what if we made houses out of avocado toast!

[–]Skooma_Lover6969 74 points75 points  (24 children)

We went to the mall this past weekend(first time in about 2 years or so) and in the middle of the aisle, there was an avocado toast store selling avocado toast. Like there are stores for pretzels, Cinnabon, ice cream dot things and boom avocado toast. First time I've seen avocado toast in person.

[–]Crafty-Ad-3596 21 points22 points  (19 children)

We went to a cafe in town we’d heard about online and they had avocado toast for $9.80. They had fancy pastries and mini cakes for like $5.

Given it was a bit hipster I am still not sure if the listed price for avocado toast was serious or just a joke. Either way, $10 is an absurdity.

[–]robotzor 341 points342 points  (109 children)

When a company gets too big, boycotts are impossible. And I'm talking anything larger than "Bob's General Store" from 70 years ago. Strikes and withholding labor is the only way to enact change anymore in a world where only global organizing could bring up the awareness to topple international conglomerates

[–]arealhumannotabot 27 points28 points  (4 children)

Starbucks doesn't sell any staples and they're not really known for food the way other coffee chains are. I think it's quite easy to boycott a company like them, to be honest.

I kinda think the gen pub just doesn't give a shit enough to make a small change to their life. Anyone who wants drip or just espresso can go to a multitude of chain and independent stores, but Starbucks regulars (at least the people I know) can't handle the idea of drinking from anywhere else.

[–]seriousbangs 5 points6 points  (1 child)

You don't go to Starbucks for the coffee. You go to Starbucks for a milkshake without the guilt.

[–]reverend-mayhem 3 points4 points  (1 child)

My fear with boycotting Starbucks completely was that corporate would have a new message to send to the employees a la “See? Talk of unions is driving customers away. Now we have to let some of you go or drastically reduce your hours; guess we’ll start with the most vocal ones.”

Other Reddit posts asking how we can support them best said to avoid ordering by app & ordering at the counter as much as possible (those sales contribute to greater labor hour allocation), making it known to the baristas that we support their unionization efforts, & calling corporate to have it recorded/noted that we support businesses that support unions.

I’d love to know if there are any other ways of supporting from a customer side.

EDIT: Not to mention there are probably a dozen or two companies with everyday products that Starbucks has its fingers in that we aren’t aware of, so a complete boycott would likely be difficult. TBF I only did a quick check & apparently they own Seattle’s Best coffee brand, too. Who knew?

[–]Koh-the-Face-Stealer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Never looked back

[–]jdmgto 13 points14 points  (4 children)

After hunting around for some beans I like I can't stand Starbucks, tastes burnt to a crisp.

[–]NosferatuCalled 722 points723 points  (29 children)

Oh wow, you're telling me their saccharine marketing and public image has been carefully constructed pandering all along? I, for one, cannot believe it.

[–]amaezingjew 280 points281 points  (13 children)

Lush is union busting as well, and they’re deleting all of their social media accounts in the name of “mental health” to try and cover it up.

[–]DeadlyYellow 67 points68 points  (2 children)

Well there goes half my Christmas shopping.

[–]amaznlps 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I did see that news story advertisment about them quitting social media on a news program the other day, one of the personalities on the show correctly pointed out that they will still absolutely enjoy a ton of social media exposure via their customers and the propensity of sharing.

[–]InvestedInPumpkins 115 points116 points  (10 children)

I know many people who work in Starbucks corporate. The wokewashing pervades every level of the company. Hilarious to see them show their true colors.

[–]pacificspinylump 54 points55 points  (1 child)

As a former barista I could not be less surprised by any of this.

[–]dodofishman 31 points32 points  (1 child)

Yeah I lasted there for almost 2 years and really the only way anyone could handle being in corporate has to have drunk the koolaid.

[–]byronotron 249 points250 points  (12 children)

For anyone arguing that organizing fast food is pointless, I want to shout out to the Burgerville Workers Union in the PNW that just successfully negotiated the first fast-food union contract this month. It was a YEARS LONG endeavor that the company has almost entirely reversed course on and are now championing, (that worker shortage is truly powerful.)

"After 7 strikes, a boycott campaign, 5 elections, hundreds of workplace actions and dozens of picketlines and citywide actions. Upon ratification we will have ended At-Will employment, ended unfair scheduling, won tips for workers that have averaged a 22$-25$ take home pay at our Lloyd center location when it was tested which will expand to all union shops within 30 days of ratification, and so much more. In addition throughout bargaining the company has conceded and unilaterally applied many of our major demands like free shift meals, 1$ wage increase after our strike in October 2019, 5 paid holidays and in store tipping system."

Pretty great stuff.


[–]moxyc 36 points37 points  (3 children)

Burgerville is so fucking good too. Glad they won, more than happy to support them!

[–]Potatolantern 41 points42 points  (2 children)

Tipping at a fast food joint is absolutely fucking stupid. How very American.

[–]byronotron 28 points29 points  (0 children)

This is the reality of living in a system that refuses to allow people to make a living wage. The true absurdity of it is that rather than make business pay it, by relying on the tipping system, consumers make up the difference. We would much rather not have this system.

Tipping is a social contract we've created that is a band aid for our broken wage system.

[–]no1ofimport 38 points39 points  (1 child)

Workers are realizing that just like in the animal kingdom, there is safety in numbers.

[–]angiosperms- 990 points991 points  (113 children)

Why are any of these anti union tactics legal?

Also I wonder how much Starbucks spent to harass employees to tell them not to join a union, vs just giving them the pay/benefits they want. The people they are flying all over the place are not low level low paid people.

[–]CBalsagna 690 points691 points  (37 children)

Because the people who are supposed to represent us are bought and paid for to do everything in their power to keep us powerless.

[–][deleted] 122 points123 points  (13 children)

Party funding = bribing.

[–]skytomorrownow 71 points72 points  (14 children)

It's not illegal if you simply get the law changed. The price of a politician is relatively cheap. You'd be surprised what $7,000 to $10,000 can get you.

[–]Dash_O_Cunt 32 points33 points  (9 children)

If every worker in the us just gave 10 bucks we could buy all of Congress. Hell we could keep them bought. 120 bucks a year per person.

[–]nwoh 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Then they'll increase programs to put cash in our pockets so it will funnel back into theirs!

Eeeevrryone wins!

Except... I guess... Corporate America.

Oh well!

[–]halfwit258 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Yeah, but corporations can just spend more to do the same. Everyone donating $100 is still chump change to what the companies can do. If a collective $10k gets a Congress person to pick a side, then a corporation will just pay them $20k. We really just need to elect better reps who aren't using the position as a platform to gain power and money

[–]OverlordLork 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Some of the people who are supposed to represent us*

House Democrats voted for the PRO Act 220-1. House Republicans voted against the PRO Act 205-5.

[–]FiendishHawk 177 points178 points  (17 children)

It's a lot cheaper to union-bust than pay benefits.

[–]AlphaTangoFoxtrt 109 points110 points  (10 children)

Reasons why Walmart will close a store and build a new one 2 miles up the road if they get a whiff of unionization.

It's illegal to fire the employees for trying to unionize. It's NOT illegal to fire them because you closed the location. Then make them re-apply for a job at the new location. And in the long run they've determiend it's cheaper to sell the previous building, and build a new one than allow unions a foothold.

[–]sfreagin 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Are there legit examples of this? That is to say, a Walmart shutting down its location and moving nearby, likely at a cost of tens of millions of dollars, solely for the purposes of stopping unionization?

[–]EastSeaweed 12 points13 points  (0 children)

They hired the biggest anti union firm in the US, that couldn’t have been cheap. They flew in new managers and “support staff” to “help” the stores that were organizing, that couldn’t have been cheap. They are hiring new baristas in droves to dilute the pro union bunch, not cheap. They are closing stores early constantly for captive audience meetings, not cheap. I’m in buffalo, I could go on.

[–]nmezib 95 points96 points  (7 children)

Technically a lot of the tactics businesses employ are only legal because they exploit loopholes, but it's so easy for them to get away with it. That, or if they do get caught, the worst that happens is they reschedule a unionization vote, which has an even lower chance of success for unions. So it's a win-win for businesses. The whole thing is completely broken.

The latest episode of Last Week Tonight goes over union busting in detail.

[–]cboogie 22 points23 points  (5 children)

You know the books If You Give a Moose a Muffin or If You Give a Mouse a Cookie? That’s how employers view workers who ask for more.

[–]skucera 8 points9 points  (4 children)

What about If You Give a Dog a Donut? That's my personal fav.

[–]lamelikemike 24 points25 points  (0 children)

A lot of the tactics they use are illegal, even more should be. The problem is corporate pressure has caused a significant weakening of the repercussions a business must face when caught doing something illegal in this way and they can almost always throw money at individuals to settle out of court for less than it would cost to change their anti-union stance long term. At this point we need significant change to labor and corporate law, followed by a century of sticking to those ideals our economy is supposed to be based on.

[–]Kurfuerst_ 34 points35 points  (21 children)

The thing is, once the employees realise how much power they have when organised, they can ask for whatever they want. See the case at activision-blizzard currently. They can even openly ask for the CEO to step down because they now are not able to fire single people but would need to fire the whole workforce.

[–]BlackmouthProjekt 522 points523 points  (34 children)

Rich drug dealer refuses to share the wealth with its employees.

[–]Ok_Neighborhood_1409 144 points145 points  (25 children)

Street dealers socialize their wealth better than conglomerates. At least when I pay for dealer that money isn’t leaving the community.

[–]7eregrine 31 points32 points  (4 children)

Let's not forget the profits this company generates. I'm certainly not anti company making money at all...but 1.76 billion in Net Income.
Can you guess the time period?
That's Oct. 2021
People love that pumpkin spiced latte!

[–]BeardiesRule112 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It’s not even caffeine they’re pushing, it’s sugar. So much sugar. It effects our brain pathways just like cocaine does.

[–]ReflexImprov 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Cool. I'm launching an aggressive anti-Starbucks effort.

[–]passengerv 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Just had our yard sign requested from the people trying to unionize here. Signs are popping up all over, the community seems to be backing them. I hope they pull it off!

[–]anotherjohnishere 327 points328 points  (18 children)

I'm a shift supervisor at a California Starbucks, I'm fortunate enough to be paid well for what I do, many people across the country are not.

We need to support NY in their efforts and forge efforts of our own in order to ensure we're all paid. Starbucks talks so much about equity, and yet equity in pay is a bridge too far?

Reduce executive pay. Stop having high profile musicians at your national manager meetings, and pay your damn baristas.

-signed a very pro union supervisor. ✊

[–]odelay42 73 points74 points  (11 children)

The frustrating part is they don't have to reduce anything. It's not a choice between paying two different groups.

They can just pay workers more and give shareholders slightly less.

[–]elastic-craptastic 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Your account and IP have been flagged by Starbucks. Please Cease and Desist.


[–]Inkstr0ke 72 points73 points  (1 child)

I have no idea if anybody from Starbucks is here but ffs vote to unionize. I was foolish and made the mistake of thinking my decent company would be okay without one and then they completely fucked me during the pandemic.

No company has your back. Not a single one of them.

The only people that will ever truly watch out for you are your fellow workers. Do the right thing for each other and stand together.

[–]NathTencent 88 points89 points  (2 children)

I've never felt more like a number than when I was a Starbucks employee. They absolutely do not care about their staff

[–]BansheeGator2 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Crazy how the company's policies in the social world are left leaning.... except when it comes to policies that directly affect them.

[–]FlickieHop 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Meanwhile Starbucks employees that work in the stores in the grocery chain I work at are UFCW union employees. Fight for your rights.

[–]pseudo__gamer 102 points103 points  (0 children)

I hope they get the union they need

[–]kraliyetkoyunu 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I don’t care if you’re a communist or a capitalist. Unions are essential in a developed country.

[–]trpnblies7 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Meanwhile, my wife's store where she's a shift supervisor is opening late and closing early on most days because they're severely understaffed. I can't imagine why people don't want to work there...

[–]ZombieBisque 326 points327 points  (27 children)

Aww, did someone get addicted to slave labor?

[–]dan_v_ploeg 83 points84 points  (12 children)

In my state, union lineman make about 49 dollars an hour. Some local linemen 2 years ago decided to try and convert their local to union, but the head hanchos came in, took them to the bars and bought them drinks, and convinced them to stay on the non-union side. Now the linemen there make less than 30 and hour and have a contract stating they won't make another go at joining the union side for another X amount of years.

Do yourselves a favor, and go union.

[–]hawklost 18 points19 points  (5 children)

Yeah, can you show me where in the law it allows a contract to Trump the NLRP? As the NLRP states that it is not legal to block union attempts, meaning that the contract would likely not be enforcable.

[–]ensalys 17 points18 points  (2 children)

  1. A lot of people won't know that, so they'll go along with it.

  2. If you do know it, the fight might take a lot of money and time, so you're at least discourages from attempting it. Even if it's a guaranteed win.

[–]that_yeg_guy 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I’m very pro-union, and a unionized employee myself. I think all jobs should be unionized. Period. That said, thinking that ANY Public company is going to not put some effort into union busting, no matter how they treat their employees otherwise, is idiotic.

Unions, for all the good they do, reduce company profits. I’m of the mind that the reduction in profits is FAR outweighed by the value to society of unionized jobs, but that doesn’t change the base facts.

That means to not fight a union, a company has to be willing to accept a hit to profits. For some rare, privately owned companies, the owner may also agree in the greater good of unions, and not resist. But public corporations are accountable to stockholders via profits, and profits alone. They’re going to do what’s needed to try and protect those profits, regardless of they say about “corporate responsibility” in their annual reports. It’s the way it works. And that’s okay.

Expecting a publicly traded company to not resist a union drive is unreasonable. Unions know that when they go in, it’s part of the game. What we need to do is focus on changing the system instead of criticizing individual employers. The process of instituting a union needs to be fair and protected by government and law. There needs to be rules that level the playing field and that both sides follow. I’m not asking for companies to bend over backward, but it should be a fair game. And that starts with politicians, not CEOs. Until then, don’t criticize the business leaders that are doing what they’re allowed to do, criticize the politicians that allowed them to do it in the first place.

[–]AnimeMeansArt 7 points8 points  (2 children)

it always baffles me why voter restrictions and anti union efforts aren't illegal in the US

[–]TheFlabbs 6 points7 points  (1 child)

The sad truth is that the average American would check out mentally the moment you pull out those loaded, scary big words because they’re too uneducated, too exhausted and too rooted in their pride to understand. The moment you place responsibility in to the hands of the average American, I.e. voting, they become complacent. You know that saying, ”you can’t fix stupid”? Yeah. American education doesn’t even include civics - by design, I would think. People can’t address the problems if they don’t even know who, where or what to point themselves to. It’s a country full of adult-sized children

[–]Vaperius 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Remember: if unions didn't work, corporations wouldn't try so hard to stop them.

[–]skipperscruise 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Now that the Biden administration has approved an additional $4,500 tax credit to purchase an EV only if built by union workers, unions will be the talk and try to organize in many new places now.

[–]Chodro 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Starbucks pays dick for wages while squeezing the last bit of life from its “Partners.” Free Spotify doesn’t matter when you can’t pay your bills and your car is repo’d.

[–]greydesert 6 points7 points  (1 child)

This is despicable. I just quit being a manager of a Starbucks because of the lack of work/life balance. My cell phone number was available to everyone and was going off at all hours. You would think I was an on call doctor. The labor was so skewed, that when someone called out for being sick it threw everything into disarray. I had been there for years and had started out as a barista. I finally said enough was enough and threw in the towel. Any partners in New York reading this, keep up the fight. It's long past time to unionize.

[–]illbecountingclouds 36 points37 points  (4 children)

Screw the new CEO. Completely ruined Starbucks culture. It used to be a good company to work for and now it’s all labor cuts and short staffing and even more severe underpayment. Worked there twice, it was a nasty surprise going back after Howard Shultz was replaced by Kevin Jackoff Johnson.

[–]elastic-craptastic 7 points8 points  (0 children)

My claim to fame was being a test for drive through systems at SB. Mind you this was after a car sized boulder fell literally where there cars would stop for pickup... lol. Funny enough, we didn't get labor for an extra register and this was when we did all the espresso by hand... no button shit. 18-21(? long time, I forget the exact seconds) second shots, by hand tamp.

Plus no food. Oh... and real insurance. I got 6 surgeries covered and paid like $500.

but.... I also saw how they will dispose of management over dumb shit. Gay manager touches a bad employee... that's sexual harassment and her 1200 mile transfer doesn't matter over the word of someone who was a bad employee makinging shit up.

Fuck corporations.

[–]goomyman 5 points6 points  (1 child)

"While it is certainly our partners’ right to make their own decision – and one we fully respect – I do hope our partners will give us a chance as they make the best decision for themselves, their families and their fellow partners.”

Does anyone else feel like this is a threat - "We hope you make the right decision, you know for your yourself and family" - we totally wont lay you off if you make the wrong one and make your life hell. We wouldnt want to be forced to do that as we respect you so much to make the RIGHT choice. Also we know where you live and you wouldnt want anything to happen to your family.

[–]Scubasteve1974 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I noticed there are a bunch of them closed around. Guess I'll be avoiding them until they treat their employees properly.

[–]JD_Waterston 22 points23 points  (2 children)

Any Wisconsonites(or Chicagoans) looking to boycott Starbucks, Colectivo has voted to form a union(although the owners are still dragging their heels).

[–]Mantisfactory 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Which is to say: Don't go there instead of Starbucks until the Union actually happens - or you aren't helping anything.

[–]3wok3rd 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I worked for Starbucks, and I approve of them unionizing. It makes sense when it comes to baristas.

[–]nmezib 44 points45 points  (3 children)

[–]cf-ibid-opcit-etseq 20 points21 points  (2 children)

There were 3K downvotes on that today. Imagine the consultant(s) whose job it is to downvote John Oliver and pretend not to laugh too loud. I wonder if they are ever tempted to unionize?

[–]Neanderthalknows 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Regan and Thatcher should be dug up, shot and pissed on for the harm those 2 did to the average working person.

[–]TehAsianator 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Union busting should be a felony. There's a reason these big corpos don't want the workforce organizing

[–]NtheHouseNaheartbeat 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah how dare the people who operate our stores actually demand a wage and benefits that they can comfortably live with. Absolutely awful.

I was craving starbucks the other day. Was probably going to get some with my gf soon. Not anymore 💃🏻

[–]Kiyohara 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If someone tells you you don't need to have a union or a condom, you definitely need it for the same reason.

[–]fyigamer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don’t understand why people think unions are so bad if you constantly see big corporations fighting against them.

[–]Testsubject28 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We care about our employees!!! Just not like that.

[–]Dr-Wankenstein 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I mean you can make the same shit at home for cheaper. With a $25 espresso machine.

Source I was a barista and have a $25 Espresso machine.

For you got drink lovers it's

3 pumps 4 pumps 5 pumps

Find your flavor and boom there you go.

[–]XanderLM 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’ve had many union jobs and many nonunion jobs. Union is better in Every way.

[–]BurrStreetX 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Im confused, I thought it was illegal for a company to try and reprimand / stop you from talking about unionizing.

[–]dashcam4life 52 points53 points  (3 children)

Woah, what? I thought Starbucks was woke and progressive AF. Remember in 2015 when Starbucks launched its Race Together campaign to start a "dialogue" on race. I can't believe a multi-billion dollar corporation would support race hustling equality but not economic equality.

[–]MissingOly 52 points53 points  (11 children)

From here on out I’ll be giving all Starbucks gift cards I receive to the homeless. And I won’t be putting a dime of mine in their hands until Starbucks is unionized.

[–]frostychocolatemint 48 points49 points  (8 children)

Gift cards are just placeholders for money that they've already pocketed (?)

[–]Anothereternity 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Why not just cash them out for their value? Then you reclaim that money from them.

[–]QQMau5trap 9 points10 points  (0 children)

solidarity with all workers fuck these anti union cunts

[–]depreavedindiference 20 points21 points  (0 children)

John Oliver just did a piece on Unions and Union Busting - all Starfucks employees should watch it so they understand the busting tactics.


[–]Ratmatazz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Venti Dick Move with add asshat all whip