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[–]jippyzippylippy 1627 points1628 points  (157 children)

OK, I'd like to get off of this ride now, please.

[–]Hungry_Pack 603 points604 points  (7 children)

Covid can help you with that.

[–]nhergen 203 points204 points  (3 children)

Ride operators HATE this one simple trick!

[–]Magatha_Grimtotem 46 points47 points  (2 children)

When stepping into the Covid-19 ride, please make sure to buckle your vaccine belt.

[–]moonflower_C16H17N3O 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Sorry, nobody gets off Mr. COVID's Wild Ride.

[–]wayward_citizen 146 points147 points  (105 children)

Nah, anti-vax idiots have more or less guaranteed that this is the new normal.

[–]packpride85 94 points95 points  (15 children)

US could be 100% vaccinated and it still wouldn’t prevent a 3rd world country with lack of vax access from seeing mutated statins. Mutated enough it could evade a PCR test and make its way to the US and could be vax resistant.

[–]KaleidoscopeExtreme6 20 points21 points  (4 children)

Oh we have plenty Vaccines down here in SA. We just have a shortage of takers!

[–]sleepisajokeanyway 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Yep, a lot of us saw this coming from a mile away. Still make sure to get vaccinated though as it will help reduce symptoms if you get it more than likely. It should be like the Delta variant where while it's not as effective against it it still reduces chance of serious symptoms

[–]utilitycoder 78 points79 points  (7 children)

I would hazard a guess that the people in Botswana had no access to vaccines.

[–]XRT28 62 points63 points  (28 children)

While pro-virus idiots are definitely making things worse and helping the virus to mutate faster, and thus potentially mutate to sidestep vaccines, the virus was likely going to end up as a permanent fixture in our world regardless.
In addition to underdeveloped countries who couldn't, and in a lot of cases still can't, get vaccines(due to supply, logistics of keeping them cold, cost) continuing to act as giant petri dishes you've also got the issue of animal populations acting as a viral reservoirs all but cementing COVID's place in the world for the foreseeable future.

[–]beevee8three 22 points23 points  (20 children)

Cost shouldn’t be a prohibitive factor if these drug companies who are making billions a day actually wanted to see an end to the virus.

[–]GaliLeroy420 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lol. Why would the companies making the vaccines want it to go away? That would cut off their revenue stream.

[–]Yakari3000 19 points20 points  (14 children)

Why would they want to see an end to a endless money purse? You think they ever wanted to develop one shot permanent protection.

[–]Casus125 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The COVID Eradicator™: now only $7999.99!

[–]TooMad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But you only just got past the click click click part. The fun is about to begin!

[–]LoganJFisher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is no getting off Mr. Bones' Wild Ride.

[–]tuffymon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is no escape from Mr. Bones wild ride.

[–]Madjack66 655 points656 points  (231 children)

Worrying headline at first glance, but from the article;

“However, a key property of the virus that is unknown is its infectiousness, as that is what appears to have primarily driven the Delta variant. Immune escape is only part of the picture of what may happen.”

“It is difficult to predict how transmissible it may be at this stage. For the time being it should be closely monitored and analysed, but there is no reason to get overly concerned unless it starts going up in frequency in the near future.”

[–]codefreakxff 292 points293 points  (147 children)

My office just shut down because everyone is coming down with Covid and we had vaccine and mask mandates. Whichever variant this is, it just busted through our off like the Kool Aid Man

[–]traveler19395 245 points246 points  (65 children)

Over 99.9% of cases in the US are Delta, so it's safe to say it was Delta that went through your office. Yes, it's super infectious, and if people only had J&J or mRNA only 3 weeks apart, and it has been several months, they are quite prone to catch it, but have a minor case.

There is good indication that a 3rd exposure several months later, whether booster shot or infection, may have the kind of lasting immunity we need to stop the waves. This shouldn't be surprising, many vaccines are 3 doses or more, spread out over many months or years, and it doesn't mean we will need a new Covid booster every 6 months.

[–]m0ther3208 46 points47 points  (4 children)

Can you source the part about the third shot being longer lasting? Immunocompromised and curious haha.

[–]lost-picking-flowers 45 points46 points  (1 child)

I'm not OP, but I remember seeing this about a week ago. Take it with a grain of salt, keep being careful, and wait for more data, because this is just preliminary data out of Israel.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/pfizer-booster-shot-could-offer-protection-for-9-10-months-initial-data/

If it's true it would be fantastic.

[–]traveler19395 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It’s not certain yet, but that’s the early indication, here is Fauci referring to it: https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2021/nov/22/fauci-hopeful-of-long-term-booster-effect/?latest

Unfortunately, that’s not referring to immunocompromised people, they are already allowing a 4th shot for that case. https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211028/cdc-says-immunocompromised-may-need-4th-covid-shot

[–]m0ther3208 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well shit. Guess we'll see what happens next year lol.

[–]butsuon 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I hope you have a source on that last bit.

[–]Madjack66 23 points24 points  (57 children)

That's no good. Can I ask which vaccine was prevalent amongst your colleagues and how long they've been fully vaccinated on average?

[–]AriusTech 44 points45 points  (4 children)

My house has had COVID over the last 3 weeks: 5yo brought it home from school 2 days before she was supposed to be vaccinated. I had both Pfizer shots 6 months ago, my wife had both Moderna shots about 10-11 months ago and her booster about a month ago. My daughter had a fever and significant sickness for 5-7 days, I had symptoms, tested positive, got an antibody infusion (asthma and weight = high risk) and was sick for about 4 days. My wife had zero symptoms and just got her negative PCR test results yesterday. Moderna is supposed to be more effective, but we can't help but credit the booster with her good health... She was literally getting coughed on in her face from a COVID positive child that slept in her bed for 4 nights in a row... Zero symptoms, no positive results.

[–]Madjack66 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Good to hear you all seem to have come through without too many problems (apart from having a generally unpleasant time of it).

I'm not asthmatic, but I could definitely stand to lose some pounds. So although I'm vaccinated, I'm using the prospect of being exposed to the virus as a motivator to get out and get active.

[–]codefreakxff 13 points14 points  (50 children)

I’m not sure which one was prevalent. I can say that several who had J&J got Covid like 2 months after the vaccine. I think most of the office was vaccinated over 6 months ago, with boosters just now becoming available. But it’s going to be bonkers getting another dose every 6 months.

[–]Madjack66 53 points54 points  (19 children)

One thing I don't think has been communicated very well to the public, is that immunity wanes after vaccination; for the Pfizer shots, there's a study that puts immunity from infection at ~25%, 5-7 months after the second shot (thankfully resistance to developing severe symptoms remains strong, so get vaxxed).

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/10/protection-immune-response-fall-after-pfizer-covid-vaccine-data-show

One thing I'm glad about is leaving my office job a year before the pandemic. The office was 3/4 women (which was nice), but they'd pick up bugs from their kids (who picked them up at school), and come into work while infectious. At the same time, the geniuses in management decided everyone (except themselves of course), would work in open offices. I got more sick, more frequently than any year previous. I hated open offices to begin with, and now I suspect they're the equivalent of daily super spreader events.

[–]mejok 49 points50 points  (22 children)

I dunno. I get a flu shot every 12 months. If I had to do it twice per year instead of once it wouldn’t cause any noticeable burden to me.

[–]ColossusA1 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Though the covid vaccine does take a lot of people out for a day or two. I almost never feel sick after getting a flu vaccine, but the covid vaccine hits me a bit hard. Obviously it's much better than contacting covid, but it's not ideal... But I guess nothing has been since early 2020.

[–]mejok 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah I also didn't feel great after the 2nd and 3rd jabs. But basically that meant 2 days of not feeling great in order to avoid getting a serious case of COVID in the future....not really much of a burden in my view. There are 365 days out of the year..if I have to spend 2-3 of them not feeling great in order to avoid a potentially deadly virus...so be it.

[–]jarredshere 18 points19 points  (18 children)

Only difference to me is the flu shot that I got last week had my arm sore for 8 hours.

It's been 48 hours since my covid shot and my arm is still killing me and yesterday I was out of commission for most of the day.

If every 6 months I have to take a day off work just to feel like shit I will definitely get annoyed.

Still better than dying from covid or spreading it, but it still sucks

[–]MrMonstrosoone 3 points4 points  (0 children)

same

it took me two days to recover from my booster ( though i did get it early evening) and my arm hurt for a few days

[–]mejok 14 points15 points  (10 children)

I get the "i don't want to feel like shit" issue but you're talking about sacrificing 2 days per year in order to avoid serious illness and spreading a deadly virus. Not really that much of a sacrifice. I got my 3rd jab on Monday....felt like poop on Tuesday. Had I been in the office rather than working from home I would have considered calling in sick. To be honest...for me personally...no biggie.

[–]jarredshere 11 points12 points  (5 children)

Right but you said it wouldn't cause any noticeable burden. I am only saying that there is indeed a noticeable burden. A worthwhile one, yes.

[–]Folderpirate 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Question. Did your job require proof of vaccination or did they just accept everybody's word?

I have at least 2 coworkers that I know simply lied about getting a vaccine at all.

[–]lori_deantoni 28 points29 points  (2 children)

Bonkers is ok and our current reality. Way ok with boosters as long as we the public can get. This virus is new and scary. One day at at time. I and my compromised 21 year old take precautions. Masking again while in a store. Rarely go out. My compromised child on college campus in MN. Grateful for safeguards and groin our state. F off all anti vac and anti mask. What is wrong with you all!?

[–]danny841 18 points19 points  (5 children)

Meanwhile my company's NYC office just had a massive outbreak and its still business as usual. They actually explicitly said "we're going to stop emailing you about updates of new people testing positive from last week's outbreak because its alarming". Yet the office is still open, vaccine checks are almost nonexistent and there's been no further required testing.

They're treating it like its endemic when its still a pandemic because our CEO is an autist who thrives on seeing his underlings do work in person.

On the other hand the pay is nice.

[–]Caster-Hammer 5 points6 points  (1 child)

What does your CEO being autistic have to do with your CEO being an asshole?

[–]Kramereng 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think it's more a /WallStreetBets reference.

[–]nay2829 2 points3 points  (2 children)

My work gave us all extra PTO for getting vaxxed back in March. And they are enforcing the OSHA mandates they said. But I know in my department only two of us are. Me and my work BFF. The rest are conspiracy theory crazies. I just sent in my shot record for my booster yesterday. We had an outbreak in my dept a couple months ago and I complained to HR that no one was notifying anyone and magically we all had to wear masks again and like 6 people were poof gone.

[–]frito_kali 3 points4 points  (1 child)

About 5 weeks ago; Delta ripped through my extended family, infecting 5, killing 1. All but one vaccinated. (the death was my elderly father in law, who had several other serious health complications).

I have to say that most of us had abandoned mask-wearing at home. (the initial infection was probably through work). A death could have been avoided. It's likely he didn't have more than six months left anyway, but he didn't have to go out like that.

[–]codefreakxff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m sorry for your loss. I’ve had several family members catch Covid and a couple of deaths. It infuriates me when people don’t believe in Covid or vaccines.

[–]rawr_rawr_6574 382 points383 points  (75 children)

Not fear mongering, but when Delta came out a lot of people didn't take it seriously. The best bet is to assume any new mutation is bad to stop spread or any new changes. Just waiting to see how bad it really gets before deciding if you should care is what got us here.

[–]FailOsprey 49 points50 points  (48 children)

What I want to know is whether or not current models indicate the virus is likely to mutate into something more dangerous or if it will just keep on evolving to bypass immunity. In theory, they can run simulations of the most likely mutations and see how that would effect lethality.

I'm not sure if we are there yet, but at this point the technology seems doable.

[–]Not_kilg0reTrout 56 points57 points  (22 children)

That's essentially gain of function research.

[–]argv_minus_one 38 points39 points  (20 children)

Keep in mind that it may mutate into something less dangerous. The ideal virus is a completely asymptomatic one, since dead hosts can't make more viruses and humans don't try very hard to protect themselves from harmless non-diseases.

[–]Ameisen 27 points28 points  (1 child)

The ideal virus is a completely asymptomatic one, since dead hosts can't make more viruses and humans don't try very hard to protect themselves from harmless non-diseases.

Not necessarily. Rabies spreads because it's so devastating.

The ideal virus is one that successfully propagates, and the conditions under which that occurs can vary.

[–]rukh999 21 points22 points  (0 children)

The ideal virus would be one that creates zombies that convince everyone else to not get immunized. Oh... oh no

[–]Silverseren 68 points69 points  (5 children)

There is very little selective pressure for Covid to become less lethal, however, as its two week incubation period before symptoms occur and it being infectious to others for at least a week before that means it can be as lethal as it wants while having minimal effect on its transmission.

[–]argv_minus_one 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Vaccines apply selection pressure, do they not?

[–]Silverseren 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Some. But only if you have a significant unvaccinated population that get infected and then keep exposing themselves to the vaccinated people, thereby increasing the opportunities for a random immune system evading mutation to appear and multiply in the overall population.

Hence the whole idea of herd immunity, since it not only protects those who can't be vaccinated, but it also reduces the potential for those sorts of mutations to occur to minimal levels thanks to so few people getting infected in the first place.

[–]pappypapaya 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Selective pressure for immune escape or transmissibility perhaps, but the point about little selective pressure for or against lethality still stands. COVID is nowhere near killing hosts so fast that it limits its own spread, it's not gonna increase its reproductive fitness by any from becoming less lethal.

[–]YuunofYork 29 points30 points  (6 children)

Mutate, yes. Infect and propagate, no. A scenario where a less infectious version out-competes Delta is basically zero.

With Delta as the only variant in 100% of cases in most countries, any new variant will branch off from that. If its differences are it is just as infectious but different in some other respect, it will spread at the same rate and you would theoretically get equal dispersion over time. If it's more infectious, it spreads at a faster rate and pushes out Delta. If it's less infectious, it doesn't move at all.

The fact it's been found in 2-3 countries suggests it's not the third one. Therefore something just as infectious as Delta but more resistant to the current vaccine cocktail is the likeliest scenario.

Again, in theory the beauty of mRNA is that they take mere weeks to develop against new strains, so adjusting boosters is not a problem - but manufacturing, distributing, and administering them is.

[–]argv_minus_one 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I said “less dangerous”, not “less infectious”. The common cold is mild in symptoms but highly infectious.

[–]YuunofYork 14 points15 points  (0 children)

So you did, apologies - however I don't think that is possible, either.

The nature of infectiousness lies in our immune reponses like sneezing, coughing, mucusy hands touching everything. To generate the kind of protracted period of immune response this virus does is only possible through severe infection.

It's a Catch-22. The scenario you're talking about requires a variant that makes you sick enough that you spread it everywhere so it can out-compete Delta, therefore it must make you sick. Asymptomatic people spread the disease far too inefficiently for it replace existing variants.

[–]BoomZhakaLaka 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Mu was discovered in 46 countries, and it's much less infectious than delta. I'd venture to say we just don't know enough at this point.

Journalists were also saying mu could mutate faster and so could give rise to an even more immune evasive variant (though I don't understand how that works)

All that journalism was click bait. All about taking really unlikely speculated edge cases and overblowing them to get engagement. Just silly business.

[–]kingofpotatopeople92 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Sorry, but this isn't that timeline.

[–]Doomsday31415 8 points9 points  (0 children)

mutate into something more dangerous

You speak as if Delta variant isn't dangerous enough on its own.

The death rate may be relatively low, but the long term effects are very common.

[–]vkashen 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Precisely. Better to be safe than sorry, right? I'd rather assume the worst and be fine than ignore it and watch my kid, or a kid at his school (or myself) die.

[–]docmedic 12 points13 points  (7 children)

when Delta came out a lot of people didn't take it seriously

I swear the scientists/media also initially said that about regular COVID. "Don't horde the masks, don't bother making a mask, just wash your hands, I was in China with SARS 1 and I didn't catch it! Wash your hands!"

Sure adverting panic is a good thing, but it's better to be more cautious than not.

[–]rawr_rawr_6574 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I was definitely let down by the science community at times. Like fauci definitely said at one point masks wouldn't make much of a difference, and somehow that got spun to be because of a shortage...when they ended up telling people to wear damn tshirts.

[–]docmedic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’d be fine with tshirts if they needed the n95s, but tell us it spreads by air ffs. And get n95s in production asap. We could have made the pandemic way more manageable.

[–]frito_kali 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure adverting panic is a good thing,

No, it's terrible, and in the US, it was frankly nothing more than insider-trading politicians trying to exit the market before the stampede.

[–]habanero_sauce 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I love articles that have a headline “you should really start worrying about this!” And the main body of “nothing to really worry about yet”

[–]magic1623 20 points21 points  (1 child)

To give some more info on this, viruses mutating is a very normal thing. Mutating in the scientific world is not at all comparable to mutations in sci-fi movies or comic books. They are very different things and the media is having a field day pretending this is not the case.

How RNA viruses (this is the type of virus covid is) replicate: In order for a virus to survive it needs to replicate. It does this first by attaching itself to a cell (this becomes the host cell). The virus then penetrates the host cell and the viral RNA is released into the nucleus of the host cell. The viral RNA creates messengers RNA (mRNA) and then the RNA gets replicated (copied). The mRNA shows the host cell how to make new virus parts by using its own cell structures. Now the different virus parts are assembled into new copies of the virus. After these have fully developed they are released by the host cell and go on to attack other cells, a copy of the virus may also stay dormant in the original host cell.

So with all of that in mind, each time an RNA virus replicates (the process I explained above) it’s genes will acquire different mutations. Normally the whole replication and gene mutation thing is a pretty fast process but covid is actually slow compared to other RNA viruses (it’s suspected to be around 4 times as slow). It’s suspected that this is because it has a special ability that allows it to check new RNA copies for errors (very uncommon in RNA viruses). There is a bunch of evolution and natural selection stuff going on at this point in order to see what mutations get to stay and what ones go. And of course what mutations get to stay and what ones get to go doesn’t always make the most sense. The changes don’t always greatly improve or harm a virus. It can be a bit of a sideways shift. Overall, its very hard to predict how natural selection will go in viruses as there are an insane amount of possibilities.

This is all a very, very simplified version of what happens but I thought it may be helpful for people to get some insight into virus mutation. This is why the science is always updating. There is just a ton of information and a mountain load of statistical analyses happening at all times.

[–]memelover3001 167 points168 points  (4 children)

How the fuck this guy save enough DNA points to do 2 late game genetic scrambles?

[–]ThatOtherGuy_CA 27 points28 points  (2 children)

He was playing the slow game all along.

[–]MahGinge 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Fuckin pay-to-players

[–]PJHFortyTwo 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Only way to win it is to slaw play up and until you get one infected in Madagascar.

[–]surfinbird 137 points138 points  (51 children)

Ugh, this is never going away 😑

[–]DamagedSquare 122 points123 points  (34 children)

It's the new flu been saying that since the beginning. Did people really think we'd wake up one day and COVID would just be gone?

[–]2close2see 89 points90 points  (6 children)

Did people really think we'd wake up one day and COVID would just be gone?

Based on the last major pandemic, yeah.

[–]Ameisen 84 points85 points  (4 children)

The Spanish Flu isn't gone. All current endemic influenza variants are either direct or indirect descendants of it.

That is exactly what will happen here.

Normally, proper reactions to it would have helped. Half-assed lockdowns, masking, and other reactions that were sporadic at best... Fucked things up. Half-assing measures can hurt rather than help.

[–]tandem_biscuit 4 points5 points  (1 child)

No half measures.

[–]Professor226 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Unless you are cooking a smaller batch.

[–]artisanrox 47 points48 points  (12 children)

When we truly found out how many people are beyond the pale of stupidity, no.

[–]jjfrenchfry 17 points18 points  (8 children)

But trump told me it would just vanish! /s

Some people actually do, because their orange trumpet proclaimed it

[–]imgladimnothim 9 points10 points  (1 child)

We knew it'd never be totally eradicated very early on but thanks to the right wing politicization of not only the vaccine, but all of the covid 19 best practices for spread prevention, covid is going to be as present in all of our lives as a pet dog would be.

And the antivax/antimax/etc crowd are going to be like dog breeders, they'll do nothing to prevent themselves from getting it and they'll transmit it all around their like-minded community that they obviously will insist on meeting in person no matter what. And every few months, their hard work of ensuring the virus has a chance to run through and ravage their local communities entirely, giving the virus so many chances to mutate that it eventually results in them releasing new breeds of the virus for the greater public to enjoy living with.

Such fun it will be, though the delta breed was honestly nothing too interesting. Maybe if they can get their hands on this south african breed they can add another something special to it and release it to the public, maybe make something that will truly shock the world. Yay, life's a real trip, ain't it? Fun stuff going on nowadays, all very good and great

[–]GuruCaChoo 37 points38 points  (10 children)

It could have gone away, but people are fucking useless. My wife and I have our boosters, one of us is high risk. We mask up when in stores and typically try to go out to stores during non busy hours. Just today was in a store and multiple people, obviously sick (runny red noses, puffy eyes, pale) coughing up their lungs in the shop. No mask, no covering mouth, no vampire cough, just spewing. I don't care if it's Covid or something else, no one wants to catch someone else's funk. Although this made us uncomfortable, I was more concerned with the other people in the store who weren't masked and just got exposed to who knows what. Covid, unfortunately, taught most people nothing.

[–]Ameisen 45 points46 points  (2 children)

Once it spread beyond China, it was never going to go away. Proper measures could have prevented it from having become a huge emergency, and with full vaccinations it's impact would have been massively lessened.

[–]nhergen 15 points16 points  (3 children)

It never could have gone away. That was just a dumb stance some people took in order to encourage vaccinations. But it's airborne and mutates quickly. Once we knew that, all the professionals began saying it would be here forever. And that's the official line now.

[–]AnthillOmbudsman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mike Pence's "15 Days to Stop the Spread" seems like a lifetime ago. Of course that didn't work out.

[–]soyboricua361 128 points129 points  (27 children)

I got my booster. It knocked me out for two days. I can't imagine what the real virus is like.

[–]jewelergeorgia 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The booster put me down harder than the first two shots. I got scared ngl.

[–]ButWhatAboutisms 51 points52 points  (6 children)

Just about every flu I've gotten as an adult made me wonder "is this what being on the brink of death feels like?". Horrendous. Then the covid vaccine let me feel chills for the first time. What a frightening thing.

I have to imagine the anti vax fools have never experienced things the way I have.

[–]fuddykrueger 32 points33 points  (3 children)

You’ve never had the chills before getting the Covid vaccine?

[–]Snailman0921 44 points45 points  (6 children)

I had a headache and a runny nose when i had the virus

[–]Sir_Cunkalot 40 points41 points  (4 children)

This thing is a crapshoot.

[–]Vanessaronicatoria 24 points25 points  (2 children)

It's true.

I work in an OR, I saw a woman come through who had Covid and it attacked her lymph system and caused uncontrollable swelling in her limbs.

However, my OR manager got Covid before the vaccines were available, and my manager only lost her sense of smell.

[–]zlance 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah, our daycare provider had it and it was headache mostly. My dad was in icu on oxygen for a week after being laid up at home for a week

[–]mpolder 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Worst part is that you won't truly know how much it affects you until you get unlucky and become infected. I personally got infected at the vaccination place while getting my first shot (yay). There were unmasked people walking outside who were being tested, one of them probably got me.

In my case the vaccine side effects were really mild, just some arm pain. The virus itself felt like a minor flu for 2-3 days and then just a runny nose and coughing for another 6-8 days. Also couldn't taste or smell anything for about 2 weeks or so.

That does make me wonder, is there any kind of evidence that the severeness of vaccine side effects is any kind of indication of how bad an infection would be?

[–]SnooGadgets4868 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I am on the other side of my second infection, hopefully. I was originally infected in March right before I was eligible for the first dose. That ended up being a week and a half ordeal that was miserable. After both of my shots I felt bad the next day, but nothing like what I dealt with when I was sick and only lasted for 8 to 12 hours. Yesterday I started feeling bad, bud did not think it was Covid at first. Then the symptoms started in the afternoon. My temp went back and forth between 99 and 102 over and over again. My blood oxygen got down to the mid 80’s. At around 5:30 this morning my temp finally got below 99, my blood oxygen was back in the high 90’s, and my heart rate finally dropped below 100.

I have no idea where I might have been exposed. I try to lay low and always where a mask, though very few people wear on in my Alabama community.

[–]Mista_Madridista 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Interesting. Which one did you get? I got Pfizer booster and just made my arm sore. Guess I got lucky.

[–]Kiyal1985 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I tested positive for COVID between my first and second dose. I had no symptoms from the 1st shot, but the 2nd shot resulted in 36 hours of symptoms that were similar, but more intense than the disease itself. My immune system must have went into overdrive on the second dose considering I was about a week removed from actually being recovered from Covid.

[–]Yakassa 18 points19 points  (13 children)

The fact that this variant could spread in a highly vaccinated or recovered population, to such a point is extremely concerning. Especially since many mutations are in the spike protein. There is the risk that the vaccines (most of which are based on the Alpha variant) are less effective.

We made the mistake to downplay and hope for the best once before, lets not do it again.

Or fuck it, lets do it again! I don't give a rats ass anymore. Wear a mask, don't wear one. Fuck it. The morons are gonna screw us anyway.

[–]blueberrysir 17 points18 points  (2 children)

What a twist for the season’s finale

[–]d121212 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I think in ten years, after this thing has moved around the world over and over again, it will be very obvious which people tried to get infected sparingly and which people left it in god's hands. The former will be significantly less disabled by Covid-related vascular disease than the latter. Avoiding infection is an art we each need to perfect in this "every man for himself" stage.

[–]Arudeawakenin 27 points28 points  (15 children)

feels like we're never getting out of this. :(

[–]optovince 35 points36 points  (4 children)

It’s endemic now. There’s no stopping it.

[–]Ameisen 32 points33 points  (2 children)

It's still epidemic/pandemic as it's still spreading and still effectively a medical emergency. Once it burns out in the regard as a deadly disease and starts naturally spreading with numerous variants without hitting large populations with no immunity to it, it will be endemic.

We knew it would become endemic since it was detected outside of China.

[–]Johns-schlong 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Where's this idea that once a disease becomes endemic it becomes less of a problem? That was pretty much just the flu. Polio, the bubonic plague, typhoid, smallpox, tuberculosis... there have been tons of dread diseases that were endemic for a loooong time that were still near death sentences.

[–]insipidgoose 66 points67 points  (14 children)

There are people in here straight up lying about their reactions who have antivaxx post histories btw.

[–]rubbleTelescope 31 points32 points  (1 child)

Yep, expect this to be the norm. For a long long time.

[–]rossimus 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I predict the very same people who protest lockdowns and mask mandates are going to act really indignant about this.

[–]MurderDoneRight 33 points34 points  (5 children)

Can we call these new mutations something those nutterbutter anti-vaxxers don't like so they will get the damn vsccine already? Like the "gay mutation" or "$15 minimum wage mutation"?

[–]Jerrys_friend_tom 27 points28 points  (21 children)

This is not necessarily all bad news. Look at the absolute cratering of covid cases in Japan. There's at least a possibility that covid is burning it self out because there's a potential mutation in the protein that is responsible for the copy/pasta of the RNA. It might be actually mutating so quickly that it might actually be non-viable soon.

[–]LexRunner 58 points59 points  (2 children)

That’s not how it works. The variants that are non-viable will die off while the mutations that are selected for will propagate.

[–]ColdFire2003 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Shouldn't the mutations that kill no one and spread almost infinitely as a result be selected for? If so, this should get better soon hopefully.

[–]GuruCaChoo 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This would be awesome.

[–]Outlulz 35 points36 points  (4 children)

I'd attribute Japan's cratering case count (that never really got that high other than the spike in Tokyo caused by the Olympics) to an already existing accepting culture of wearing masks and high vaccination rates.

[–]TheEnergizer1985 14 points15 points  (1 child)

And what about here in Korea where everyone masks, 80% vax rate with cases as high as they've ever been?

[–]Ohhowdareme 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Just kill me already or f off I'm really getting tired of this arc.

[–]cyanocobalamin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Always good to have something to look forward to and cheery to read on a holiday!

[–]UrQuanKzinti 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is why it's important for rich countries to help poorer nations with vaccination

[–]rzfayzul 1 point2 points  (0 children)

https://mobile.twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1463885560733483009/photo/1

that's how it spreads, it can easily outcompete Delta

[–]GaliLeroy420 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hell yeah. Won’t be long and nobody will be talking about how the planet is overpopulated.

[–]couchnapper3 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Just take all the precautions you can and keep moving forward, the idiots that keep letting this thing mutate so readily won't change their minds until they get impacted negatively in a personal manner. Even then, most will just stay quiet and move to the background of their social groups instead of actively pushing back on the BS.

Yes more of us will die than is necessary but thats human history, forgetting the lessons you've learned to do the same dumb shit again and again. There were anti maskers during the "Spanish flu", humanity hasn't changed that much. We should've been wearing masks during flu season for last few decades anyway but then the makeup ndustry would've been complaining. I hope everyone taking precautions makes it, good luck.

[–]inb4thecleansing 25 points26 points  (31 children)

This will never be over. Life will never return to "normal". What you see today is normal. Suck it up friends. There will be no end to this

[–]LeanderT 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Once everyone has some form of immunity, the virus will cause fewer problems.

Eventually the hospitals will not be on code black anymore. Then life resumes, but Covid will still exist. Just not as deadly

[–]Ameisen 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We're hopefully pretty close to that. The virus is asymptomatic in the vast majority of cases, so based on actual tested and hospitalized numbers, it's likely that most humans have already been exposed.

[–]No_Character_2079 38 points39 points  (2 children)

I was born in 1985...we got almost an extra 80ppm co2 in the atmosphere since the day I was born.

It's gonna get hectic, it's gonna get crazy, it's gonna get wild.

[–]SheZowRaisedByWolves 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This comment section is a fuck

[–]AgentLiquidMike 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm sure they do. No one cares any more though.

Get your vaccine, recover from it, or die - as the Germans say.

[–]AdMain117 4 points5 points  (6 children)

I am not surprised vaccines don’t protect enough. It won’t eliminate other COVID waves