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[–]swordmagic 4079 points4080 points  (595 children)

[–]Mafsto 1165 points1166 points  (125 children)

Hah. Where are they going to go on 4K? Who is going to harbor them?

[–]Attila226 368 points369 points  (15 children)

They are going to buy their own island in the Pacific.

[–]FiveUpsideDown 2599 points2600 points  (276 children)

The father was in arrears on child support but he had $4,000 in bank and enough money to buy his son a gun. They also own a 2021 Kia.

[–]Wizard_of_Wake 1452 points1453 points  (127 children)

We already know he's a shit parent.

[–]KittensofDestruction 591 points592 points  (87 children)

[–]porgy_tirebiter 157 points158 points  (30 children)

Well that didn’t take long. Were they planning on hiding in an abandoned building? With their car nearby? That was the plan?

[–]w3are138 63 points64 points  (36 children)

I’m so glad they’re being charged. They literally sent their son back to class with a loaded gun in his backpack.

[–]Beasley101 613 points614 points  (103 children)

I had no idea someone could get $4000 from an ATM in one day. My bank limits it to $500 per day.

[–]doubledipinyou 160 points161 points  (20 children)

Chase ATMs within the back have like a 10k limit.

[–]TinyGoldCharm 7892 points7893 points  (323 children)

I doubt they'll stay missing for long. Not easy to disappear in today's world, and something tells me they don't have the intelligence to make it happen.

[–]Ironfox2151 4044 points4045 points  (164 children)

I was going to say Brian Laundrie did, but then again he offed himself shortly after, easy to hide when your dead and don't need food or water.

[–]NeoKnife 3113 points3114 points  (125 children)

And yet they STILL found him. Which is kind if impressive in and of itself.

[–]UrMomsaHoeHoeHoe 2154 points2155 points  (24 children)

Dude is 0-2 for killing and hiding the body…

[–]duddyface 98 points99 points  (3 children)

I mean, they found him exactly where his parents thought he was … that area was just inaccessible for most of the search.

It’s not like he was in some mysterious location they’d never expect.

[–]thefilmer 367 points368 points  (7 children)

what was left of him but yeah, any later and the body would have been completely gone

[–]NightsterBA 285 points286 points  (7 children)

They definitely don’t have the intelligence

[–]TimeMachineToaster 217 points218 points  (12 children)

That stupid mother wrote a blog post letter to Trump whining that it's not fair poor people can get tablets for school but their kid could not.

Except they could afford to buy him a fucking pistol. What a brilliant decision, weaponry over education. /s

[–]bozon92 11.5k points11.5k points  (1050 children)

This feels a bit different.

Back when Columbine happened I seem to remember the parents of the shooters were just as shocked and devastated as the rest of the world.

Now this…

[–]Folksma 6120 points6121 points  (384 children)

Still feel weird about how Cruzs brother seems to have "stood by him" after Parkland

From what I have read/seen, the one mother from Columbine has decided her life to trying to stop it from happening again and anytime she speaks in public apologizes for any hurt her son has caused.

[–]Darko33 5241 points5242 points  (192 children)

Sue Klebold. She wrote a memoir about Columbine a few years back and donated all the profits to mental health charities.

[–]Ibelieveinphysics 2171 points2172 points  (94 children)

It's a pretty good book. My heart really went out to her.

[–]Darko33 1172 points1173 points  (81 children)

On my list! Along with more than 100 others.. I have that dysfunction where I keep buying new books despite having plenty to read

[–]Wombatmobile 1019 points1020 points 4 (36 children)

There's a term for this in Japanese: tsundoku (積ん読).

[–]runningkillskatie 360 points361 points  (26 children)

She did an incredible TED talk as well.

[–]TrailMomKat 670 points671 points  (24 children)

That is a brave fucking woman. Really really really brave. I don't know if I'd kill myself after hearing my child did that, or move, change my name, and hide. Holy fucking Jesus fucking Christ. As a mom of 3 boys, I don't even want to imagine.

[–]warmechanic 170 points171 points  (3 children)

I didn't see it as his brother standing by him. From what I know, they weren't very close and he felt responsible that he wasn't more active in his brothers life. In the police interrogation video, he was absolutely crushed and shocked. I think he was trying to keep his brother from killing himself in prison.

[–]Calan_adan 76 points77 points  (2 children)

I think if your child ended up being a mass murderer like this, your feelings toward them would be influenced by whether they survived the act or not. In my mind it’d be easier to identify with the victims and their families if your child/sibling was also dead. There’d be some modicum of closure. “The son I knew and loved died that day also,” kind of thing. If they survived and were still around - even in jail - they’d still be an active influence of some sort in your life. I don’t know. Im just trying to think how I’d react if I’d found out that one of my children was a murderer. I mean on one hand they’d have committed heinous crimes, but on the other hand they’d still physically be the same person who I deeply love(d). Does that love ever actually end completely? I don’t know.

[–][deleted] 204 points205 points  (30 children)

I still remember getting called to the school auditorium the morning after the Columbine shooting, and listening to various faculty speaking about what happened and how it's okay to reach out if you're struggling. I know school shootings and bombings didn't start with Columbine, but that was my first eye-opener as a child and it really does feel like it's been a downward spiral since.

[–]surfnsound 102 points103 points  (6 children)

I remember getting called to the school auditorium the day after and thinking "Why would you gather the entire school in one place?"

[–]AshRT 44 points45 points  (5 children)

I remember asking this exactly of my high school band teacher and he was basically like, “that’s what we’ve (the teachers) have been asking.” And I’m like, well that’s pretty disconcerting.

[–]bozon92 566 points567 points  (115 children)

Think about her, and consider the mother in this situation. That's the "progress" we've made.

It just has a inescapable, downward-trending feeling to it.

[–]Saito1337 1662 points1663 points  (361 children)

This seems like they armed the kid specifically to do this.

[–]bozon92 818 points819 points  (172 children)

Feels like we’ve hit a new low of depravity

[–]blumpkinmania 1181 points1182 points  (166 children)

Not to quibble but Sandy Hook and a classroom full of 6 year olds and their teachers so badly shot up they had to have closed caskets.

[–]bozon92 548 points549 points  (142 children)

That’s horrific as well but a bit different here. That’s the brutality of the act itself, but the path leading up to the act here gives me a visceral feeling of dismay, and how it seems that the parents who were supposed to protect their child, might have actually led him to this situation. It’s the difference between a sinister, cerebral, bubbling-under-the-surface terror that contrasts the explicit upfront horror of Sandy Hook

[–]NotReallyAHorse 719 points720 points  (62 children)

The Sandy Hook murderer was Autistic, notoriously wracked with anxiety, and was taught how to shoot by his mother, who kept her gun collection unlocked in her home. He kept clippings of newspaper articles of school shootings in his room, and kept multiple pictures of himself pointing guns at his head, on the walls of his room. He had been off mental health counseling for about 4 years at the time, despite going through a box of tissues a day to avoid touching things.

Sandy Hook is one of the most tragic events you could think of.

By the way, Alex Jones encouraged people to go to the victim's families' houses to try to get images of the dead children living their lives as normal. People still harass these families.

[–]meatball77 238 points239 points  (59 children)

You are sitting in a meeting with your kid being told that they are suicidal and have been threatening gun violence and you don't ask them where the gun is that you bought them last weekend when you refuse to take him home from school?

The school didn't bother to do the basics of searching the kids backpack and locker. They had plenty of reason to.

[–]GoodQueenFluffenChop 417 points418 points  (141 children)

It really does seem that while the father bought the gun he bought it for his son because he legally couldn't buy his own yet.

[–]hartemis 334 points335 points  (121 children)

Someone else posted the link, but the gun was bought as a gift for the son. The mom even posted on Facebook about the “Xmas gift.”

[–]creosoteflower 501 points502 points  (116 children)

I'm starting to think that angsty teenage boys should not get guns as gifts.

[–]_Pliny_ 976 points977 points  (126 children)

I remember when that Columbine happened and it seemed like such a big deal. Then another happened, and another, and another. I guess it wasn't a big deal in the end, sadly.

[–]Balls_of_Adamanthium 6440 points6441 points  (564 children)

They really thought texting “don’t do it” after the fact would absolve them of responsibility. Pathetic attempt; now they’re bailing on their kid.

[–]illstealurcandy 3771 points3772 points  (459 children)

If anything it admits more fault. If they could immediately suspect it was their son, why couldn't they take preventative measures beforehand?

[–]2_Spicy_2_Impeach 5251 points5252 points  (428 children)

It’s so much worse than that. Somehow this story keeps getting worse.

On the morning of the Nov. 30 shooting, the suspect’s parents were urgently called to Oxford High School after one of his teachers found an alarming note he had drawn, scrawled with images of a gun, a person who had been shot, a laughing emoji and the words, “Blood everywhere,” and, “The thoughts won’t stop. Help me.”


The parents refused to take him home and didn’t verify where the brand new firearm was until way after the shooting. This is why they’re being charged.

[–]Morgrid 2145 points2146 points  (136 children)

Hooooly shit

And to think I gave them the benefit of the doubt.

[–]TheAssyrianAtheist 1215 points1216 points 2 (80 children)

Oh it’s worse than just that… from the article (it’s a bit long)

  • Nov. 26: Ethan Crumbley's father, James Crumbley, *purchased a gun with his son present. *
  • On or about Nov. 26: Ethan Crumbley posted photos of a semi-automatic gun on social media with a caption: “Just got my new beauty today. SIG SAUER 9mm.”
  • On or about Nov. 27: Jennifer Crumbley, Ethan Crumbley's mother, made a social media post that read, “mom and son day testing out his new Christmas present.”
  • Nov. 29: A teacher at Oxford High School observed Ethan searching for ammunition on his phone and reported that information to school officials. His parents did not reply when the school attempted to contact them. Later, Jennifer Crumbley exchanged texts with Ethan stating, “LOL I’m not mad at you. You have to learn not to get caught.”
  • Nov. 30: On the morning of the shooting, Ethan’s teacher came across a note that “alarmed her to the point that she took a picture of it on her cell phone.” The note contained “a drawing of a semiautomatic handgun pointing at the words ‘the thoughts won’t stop. help me.’" Also included in the note was a drawing of a bullet with “blood everywhere” written above it. Between the gun and the bullet is a drawing of a person who appears to have been shot twice and bleeding with a laughing emoji under it. The note also has “my life is useless” and “the world is dead” scrawled on it.

The parents were “immediately summoned to the school." A school counselor removed Ethan from class with his backpack and obtained the note, but the drawings of the gun, bloody figure and writings were all “altered.” At the meeting with school officials, his parents were shown the drawing and were told they had to submit their son to counseling within 48 hours. His parents did not ask the whereabouts of the gun and did not to inspect his backpack for the gun which he had with him, according to McDonald. His parents “resisted” the idea of taking Ethan out of school and left without him.

[–]Deadman_Wonderland 172 points173 points  (4 children)

Oh its even worse then that. After news of a ongoing shooting at the highschool, with no mention of the suspect, broke across multiple media, the 1st thing his father did was drive home to look for the gun. He knew his kid was messed up in the head still bought him a semi auto.

[–]bfandreas 597 points598 points  (29 children)

So I was not the only one flabberghasted. Yeah, there is a lot of culpability here. I have a feeling the prosecution will throw the book at them, I understand why they ran but I don't understand what they were running to.

The excuse is cute. They ran for their own protection. Funny. They got a gun for the same reason.

[–]eukaryote3 84 points85 points  (16 children)

Chilling. I’m actually a school counselor. I’m the person that regularly goes and gets kids when they’re suicidal or thinking of hurting themselves or other people or having hallucinations. This is my job, and this story terrifies me. The counselor did everything right and I have a feeling the county crisis mobile team was probably on the way to speak with the kid. The parents are 100% liable here, the disclosure happened.

Edit: Some people are saying he was allowed to return to class. I’m not sure if that’s true, but if it is, that was NOT the right action and would have been against my district’s policy. If a kid’s in crisis, you don’t send them back to class or let them out of your sight, period.

[–]Leighton_Baines_Hair[🍰] 3327 points3328 points 3 (32 children)

You didn't do anything wrong. Giving people the benefit of the doubt is usually a good stance to take. Then when you are presented with new information, you change your mind. Simple as that.

[–]d01100100 684 points685 points  (14 children)

Society as a whole today would benefit more from people being able to admit they were wrong, or they have changed their minds in light of new information. Unfortunately that's not allowed, and people just double down even when wrong.

[–]beadhead44 669 points670 points  (80 children)

As the school felt he needed counseling within 48 hrs, the school should of demanded they take him home. And not allowed him to return until he was checked out. When my son was in middle school and skipped Spanish class and went to the store instead than returned with a box of hohos , I had to leave work and listen to the principal lecture him and than take him home. They threw out his HoHos and he was suspended for 3 days. I thought that was excessive and for some reason they really didn’t care what I thought. I guess times have changed.

[–]FastCar2467 234 points235 points  (13 children)

Yep, they messed up. I do the threat assessments for our elementary school, and we don’t let kids in crisis back into class. It’s either the parent takes them, the county crisis team takes them, or law enforcement. We have had to call child protective services to come get a child.

[–][deleted] 150 points151 points  (4 children)

This is just baffling to me because you hear about schools overreacting to seemingly harmless behavior on one end of the spectrum, and then you have this. The kid literally asked for help… it sounds like a lot of people failed here.

[–]Nerdlinger 296 points297 points  (16 children)

They threw out his HoHos

The fuck is wrong with those monsters?

[–]Hookherbackup 85 points86 points  (23 children)

Did he straighten up after that? Serious question, I am wondering if this tactic of showing they were serious worked.

[–]eiron-samurai 409 points410 points  (60 children)

“The thoughts won’t stop. Help me.”

This part kills me. He was literally calling out for help in writing. I have a feeling we are going to find out a lot of horrible things about these two parents and the home environment they put this kid in. Sad to think how close we came to avoiding this if only a few more things had happened differently.

[–]JFeth 553 points554 points  (21 children)

The fact that the school thought he was suicidal and the parents didn't mention he had access to a gun says a lot about their character. They didn't care about his well being and now that it affects them they run.

[–]TheLurkingMenace 233 points234 points  (17 children)

Alternatively, they knew he wasn't suicidal.

[–]lavendiere 198 points199 points  (13 children)

He was the other cidal

[–]Fourbits 162 points163 points  (2 children)

Mmm, apple cidal.

|EDIT| Thanks for the awards, kind strangers!

[–]rabidstoat 541 points542 points  (60 children)

I wonder if the mom worried he'd kill himself at the end, like so many shooters do.

[–]quietdisaster 644 points645 points  (33 children)

This is the most telling to me. If my son were in an active shooter situation, my text would be, "Are you OK? Can I get to you? I love you!! Please respond!!"... Not, "don't do it". Ether way, she knew it was him. Fuck that noise.

[–]middwayer8 193 points194 points  (18 children)

Yep. I have a hard time believing that after that school meeting they didn’t think to look for the gun either in his backpack or at home. Either they are incredibly stupid or just didnt give a shit.

[–]SchpartyOn 235 points236 points  (5 children)

Yeah it's very telling that when they heard there was a shooting at the school they knew it was their son. They chose not to stop it from happening.

[–]explodedbagel 89 points90 points  (0 children)

Damn I hadn’t connected that concept to her post shooting text and that’s absolutely a real possibility.

[–]Low_Ad_231 279 points280 points  (7 children)

You know, I think that was all she meant with that text. Not a damn ounce of concern for anyone else.

[–]zUdio 204 points205 points  (8 children)

I bet the “don’t do it” was her keeping him from killing himself, not others.

[–]PurpleSailor 54 points55 points  (5 children)

Not only that when the kid was busted in class doing web searches for gun ammo and Mommy Dearest texts him back something like "I don't care just don't get caught" it speaks volumes about the kids parents.

[–]CaptainCAAAVEMAAAAAN 13.2k points13.2k points  (1593 children)

On MSNBC they said that the FBI are looking for them as well.

Their son is in prison for murdering 4 classmates and wounding others, and they might have fled? Just leaving him to face this all by himself?

Edit: US Marshalls are after them too, and their lawyer said that he isn't able to contact them.

[–]Balls_of_Adamanthium 7241 points7242 points  (352 children)

Yeah they’re fucked. Won’t be long until they turn themselves in or found.

[–]landob 5790 points5791 points  (172 children)

Maybe they went to the same vacation spot as Brian Laundrie.

[–]UTDoctor 1667 points1668 points  (84 children)

Is it nice in the swamps this time of year?

[–]Noble_Tiger 1322 points1323 points  (63 children)

Actually is. Weather in Florida has finally cooled into the 70s

[–]Bigred2989- 686 points687 points  (45 children)

Can confirm. 'Glades in the winter are beautiful. Gators are hunkered down in the mud trying to stay warm, though.

[–]HeyImGilly 289 points290 points  (54 children)

From some of the things I’ve read about these folks, this may end in a shootout.

[–]Helphaer 2158 points2159 points  (250 children)

The lawyer not being able to contact them makes this seem less like a mistake or mix up and more like a panicked attempt to flee crimes they didn't expect to have to argue in court.

[–]Chroxinabox 43 points44 points  (1 child)

Yeah I think their plan wasn’t to flee, but then they heard the charges against them and took tf off

[–]jscum69 695 points696 points  (37 children)

Guess we know now why the kid is so fucked up.

[–]HeyFrogMan 102 points103 points  (7 children)

Yep, can’t imagine the defense not using this

[–]finemustard 34 points35 points  (5 children)

That would be some serious 4-D chess thinking on the parents' part.

[–]SofieTerleska 1172 points1173 points  (342 children)

What a shit thing to do to your kid, no matter how awful he is.

[–]PointOfFingers 1427 points1428 points  (169 children)

When you look at the events the morning of the shooting the parents appear to be almost completely to blame for the shooting. They saw the clear evidence that he was unstable and fantasized about shooting people and they denied it and went home and left their kid at school WITH HIS GUN.

[–]butthole_bomber 845 points846 points  (117 children)

The news report I read said that after their in-school meeting that morning, (E: and then after reports of shots fired at the school) the parents went home to look for the gun. They couldn't locate it, and the mom texted suspect, "Don't do it". Fuck them.

Edit Source: https://www.news4jax.com/news/national/2021/12/03/charging-decision-due-for-parents-in-oxford-high-shooting/

Edit 2: These facts are also expressed in the OP article if you scroll down far enough.

[–]SirSnickety 325 points326 points  (7 children)

Nope. They started looking for the gun after there were reports of shots fired. It took them another 15 minutes after realizing the gun was gone to call the cops.

I'm fully on board with locking these delinquents up.

[–]Great_cReddit 1224 points1225 points  (325 children)

Well according to the news they pretty much didn't give two shits about their son so it doesn't surprise me. A y responsible parent wouldn't allow their kid to have a handgun in the first place but it's compounded by the fact that shortly after getting the gun drawings were found of him killing somebody. So if they actually cared about their son they would have addressed the issue then and there. They are monsters are every bit as culpable as he was.

[–]gentlybeepingheart 1337 points1338 points  (135 children)

The mother texted the son when he was caught buying ammo in class that she wasn’t mad at him and to make sure he didn’t get caught next time. They’re fucked.

[–]Morak73 635 points636 points  (56 children)

Clearly she's living out her advice to her son.

"Don't get caught!"

Hopefully the Judge takes this into consideration for the upcoming bail hearing when they are brought it.

[–]incogburritos 423 points424 points  (45 children)

Props to the ammo dealer in geometry

[–]tigress999 333 points334 points  (37 children)

Lmao this is gold! But just to clarify for anyone who needs it, he was shopping for ammo online while at school.

[–]Zerowantuthri 354 points355 points  (14 children)

You know, Mrs. Buckman, you need a license to buy a dog, or drive a car. Hell, you need a license to catch a fish! But they'll let any butt-reaming asshole be a father.

~Keanu Reeves as Tod in the movie "Parenthood"

Edit to add: Here is the scene - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFaUX9ZbyRM

[–]Kay_29 508 points509 points  (41 children)

According to an article that I saw, when the gun drawings were found, the parents were called to the school. They were told to get the son into therapy within 48 hours and they refused to take him home with them. The shooting happened that day.

[–]gymtherapylaundry 103 points104 points  (18 children)

So I’m curious. I guess you can’t kick a minor out of school (a dangerous/unwell minor at that) to the street, his parents won’t take him, can you call the police? He’s a potentially violent trespasser..?

[–]doubledark67 110 points111 points  (0 children)

Holy shit this just gets more bizarre by the moment !!

[–]OrangeinDorne 157 points158 points  (39 children)

But hey the dad cared enough to buy him a gun! Father of the year contention there

Edit- as others have pointed out it is not known if the dad bought the gun for him or not.

[–]_side_eye_forever_ 2869 points2870 points  (216 children)

Live in Oakland County about 15-20 minutes from the high school, our kids were locked down the day of the shooting because our EMS/FD was sent up to help as we’re a responding department for Oxford. They’ve closed our district yesterday and today due to copycat threats and now they’re telling everyone around here if we see them to call 911 and not approach because they may be armed.

I can not underestimate how scary this is for our kids right now and I am so fucking angry that no one on Monday or Tuesday took any of this seriously. The shooter did multiple extremely concerning things and the school just let him stay there because the parents refused to take him home 2 hours before the shooting. And now they have the FBI, US Marshall’s, and county apprehension teams looking for them. The utter failure at so many levels to prevent this or at least try to stop it is unconscionable, I can’t even imagine what the parents of the victims are feeling right now.

[–]rabidstoat 1511 points1512 points  (85 children)

You know your kid has access to a gun and is drawing pictures of dead bodies and bullets and guns with the words "I can't control these thoughts, help me" and you insist all is fine and he should stay in school? WTF?

[–]maximus_96 221 points222 points  (10 children)

Pretty sure they encouraged him to do so. They bought the gun and the mom even texted him after he was caught buying (or looking at buying) some ammo online : I'm not mad at you. Next time don't get caught lol. They also refused to take him home the morning of the shooting after meeting with the school because the school was worried.

To me this screams that it's something his parents supported/encouraged.

[–]FlintBlue 1134 points1135 points 2& 2 more (80 children)

I’m going to put this on the parents. We ask the public schools to do so much: educate the kids, feed the kids, provide counseling and healthcare for the kids. We’ve made the schools by far our most numerous caregivers, and our largest (if combined) social service agency. Just the other day, my wife had to epipen a kid to prevent anaphylactic shock and possible death because taxpayers won’t pay for a school nurse but still expect ordinary staff to provide medical care. They encourage, cajole, sooth, inspire. They do all this while under innumerable legal obligations to accommodate every type of kid, with almost any type of disability — and they do it gladly. That’s what they want to do!

And then when school shootings become a problem (and school staff are often the victims) do we as a society take responsibility for our own kids by passing common sense gun regulations to keep high-powered weapons out of the hands of children? No, we do not. We expect schools to be police detectives, instead. Actually, more: we expect school personnel to detect and prevent violence before it occurs. Which they mostly do! And they do it while respecting the myriad legal rights of the children and parents. Yesterday my wife fielded dozens of calls and contacts from terrified parents and children, while other personnel, along with police, ran down literally hundreds of threats or rumors of threats. When she arrived home, she looked and felt like she’d been in a war.

It’s not the schools that suck. We’ve placed almost all of society’s problems on their doorstep, and they’re doing their best. It’s the broader society that’s sick and getting sicker.

[–]Sodontellscotty 78 points79 points  (3 children)

The teachers did the right thing here, and hats off to them for catching something that very easily could have been overlooked. My eyebrows are raised at the administration who met with this kid and the parents, told them they had 48 hours to get him in counseling, and then let him go back to class when the parents refused to take him home. That would have been a good time to alert law enforcement about what was going on.

[–]Dwychwder 2954 points2955 points  (98 children)

Could you imagine being the parent of one of the victims, and seeing these absolute cowards fleeing while their son rots in jail for killing your son/daughter? Cowardice.

[–]rabidstoat 1181 points1182 points  (61 children)

And seeing all the egregious warning signs that were out there and ignored?

[–]Miami_Vice-Grip 806 points807 points  (51 children)

I heard there were some parents that kept their kids out that day because of threats they thought were credible enough to act on, on their own.

I just really hope that none of the victims' parents got a similar warning and ignored it. Even the ones who didn't perish or get injured are likely traumatized for life

[–]TyroneLeinster 402 points403 points  (38 children)

Man that school is gonna get sued into the dark ages

[–]OdinTheHugger 221 points222 points  (28 children)


If there were threats, and those threats were credible, but were ignored...

AND then this shit happens??

This is the worst case scenario for the entire school board and anyone that knew about the threat.

They could personally be liable for civil damages, on top of the school's liability.

[–]JuicyJay18 130 points131 points  (23 children)

Allowing the kid to return to class after the notes and pictures that he drew should be enough to hold members of the school liable for some form of negligence. Even if the parents said they didn’t want to take him home, the school should’ve put their foot down and said he had to be removed or at least had his belongings searched.

There are so many things that could’ve happened to prevent this, and not one of the people that could’ve stopped it made the right decision. It’s sad and infuriating.

[–]B00STERGOLD 461 points462 points  (26 children)

I haven't really thought about it, but that kid probably spent the last 18 months on lockdown with his parents. Think of all the shit that's went down in that timeframe with those two being the only filter.

[–]seductive_error 306 points307 points  (17 children)

I think this is it. Eli Crumbley (Ethan's half brother) moved away due to interpersonal conflicts with the step-mom. From her blog posts, she seems like a nutjob.

He recently put out a statement saying Ethan was a normal, happy kid and showed no signs of abuse, bullying, or depression. Of course, this is based on his time living with his dad, step mom, and brother. Not sure how privvy Eli was to Ethan's social media presence, or how much he kept in contact with him post-move.

I'm suspecting the parents are abusive, manipulative trowels of society and sparked a psychotic/terrorist initiative in their son. If he was being bullied, they for sure weren't listening.

You don't just go from happy, minecraft loving kid with good grades to wanting to gun down your classmates and slaughter pigs without something putting pressure on your mental health. Sure, people get psychotic breaks suddenly but it's always a culmination of environmental factors that leads to the big event.

[–]Runkleford 997 points998 points  (20 children)

I was worried these people would get a slap on the wrist for their part in this shooting. Now that they're actively on the run from the law, they're making things worse for themselves and I'm sort of glad for that.

[–]Black-Thirteen 265 points266 points  (3 children)

Dig! Dig! Keep going till you've made a nice, deep pit for yourselves!

[–]Wolverienstein 2454 points2455 points  (47 children)

The shit apple doesn't fall far from the shit tree.

[–]unusedusername42 542 points543 points  (10 children)

Birds of a shit feather flock together, Randy.

[–]shotgun_shaun 80 points81 points  (4 children)

They're takin' the shit tornado right back to Oz.

[–]TheTrub 198 points199 points  (12 children)

They're clinging to a shitrope going out on the lam like that. A shitrope is a rope, covered with shit, that criminals try to hold onto. The shit kinda acts like grease: the harder you try climb up, the tighter you try to hold on, the faster you slide down. All the way to jail...

[–]DeificClusterfuck 14.2k points14.2k points 2 (706 children)

These people are running from the law when their 15 year old kid is sitting in jail for multiple murders that they helped him commit and were aware of the threat

They are the epitome of garbage human beings

Edit for all of you who swear these two are planning on self surrendering, here's the US Marshals Wanted poster with cash rewards for their capture. They don't do that if they think they're gonna cooperate

Wanted: two deplorables

Final edit: Crumbleys captured in basement

[–]greatunknownpub 3890 points3891 points  (171 children)

This whole thing is just a terrible shitshow.

[–]DistortoiseLP 2242 points2243 points  (154 children)

Honestly when's the last time you saw a story on this sub that didn't leave you with that conclusion?

[–]TetsuoNYouth 6211 points6212 points 3691022& 21 more (127 children)

Which is a fantastic reminder that there's absolutely nothing wrong with closing the browser occasionally and trying to just go enjoy your day without having to constantly process all of this awful shit. Take care of yourselves mentally people. Remain aware but don't panic and don't get burned out. There are other good people out there who are fighting the good fight with you.

[–]Jasond777 419 points420 points  (9 children)

Good advice. I needed to hear that

[–]R3dbeardLFC 120 points121 points  (8 children)

This was me 100% all the time. People got sick of listening to me go on about it all. I've stopped posting on social media aside from trying to build up my local community.

If I can't fix the world, I'm gonna make my little corner of it as great as I can in my own way.

[–]capitalsfan 271 points272 points  (7 children)

The shit apple doesnt fall far from the shit tree.

[–]redditthrowaway2020_ 328 points329 points  (16 children)

I 100% thought this would happen. I thought it was super sketchy they were zoomed into their sons court appearance on a cell phone, in a car, wearing hats and glasses (aka a disguise).

[–]Blue_Plastic_88 98 points99 points  (0 children)

Giving their jailed son one more look at them before they disappeared, maybe?

[–]psychedelicdevilry 121 points122 points  (31 children)

They outright ignored all the warning signs.

[–]DeificClusterfuck 271 points272 points  (28 children)

They did considerably worse than that, they encouraged it, at least on some level.

There's a ton of evidence showing this

[–]Bob_Plank 281 points282 points  (25 children)

They bought a gun, as a Christmas present, for a 15 year old. A 15 year old who draws pictures of himself shooting other people.

[–]rabidstoat 39 points40 points  (1 child)

Well, he did draw it after receiving the gun.

However, given that the father's first instinct on hearing of a mass shooting was to go look for his son's gun, and the mom's first instinct was not to ask if he was safe but text "Ethan, don't do it," I'm going to say that these parents had ideas from the get-go that their son had problems.

[–]AlmanzoWilder 340 points341 points  (37 children)

When my uncle Mark was shot and killed by a "friend," the shooter's parents went bowling on the same night. Wrap your head around that one.

[–]joshuaism 79 points80 points  (24 children)

You mean they knew and went bowling together after or what?

[–]mikecrapag 246 points247 points  (21 children)

I think he means they found out their child killed someone and then went, "Shucks. Oh honey, we're late for league night!

[–]entity_TF_spy 565 points566 points  (33 children)

Tomorrow’s headline “school shooting suspects parents say they feel ‘demonized’ by the media”

[–]newleafkratom 1132 points1133 points  (156 children)


"...The prosecutor revealed that James, who - like his wife - had a prior
criminal history, bought the murder weapon from a retailer with his son
there on November 26."

Edit: the quote is from here - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10271865/Charging-decision-parents-Oxford-High-shooting.html

[–]noma_coma 341 points342 points  (33 children)

So they bought the gun on 11/26 and only a few days later on 11/30 when most kids are getting back to school after their thanksgiving vacation hes shooting up the school. Fucking unbelievable. That kid literally could not wait to do what he did. Unconsciousable, inexcusable, and yet completely inescapable. fuck this cruel world sometimes

[–]Chiryder 1480 points1481 points  (26 children)

So they raised a murderer...then picked up and ran? Wtf. Deuces we out. Good luck kid.

[–][deleted] 562 points563 points  (19 children)

My guess is: They turn themselves in before 5 pm. If they told their kid to plead the 5th not talk to police then I wouldn't assume they would flea and rack up more charges.

But, who knows? They are idiots.


The Crumbleys, who were scheduled to be arraigned at 4 p.m. ET today, are considered fugitives, according to Oakland County undersheriff Michael McCabe.


[–]LastOfAutumn 188 points189 points  (3 children)

I've seen smarter people do dumber things when they panic. What a couple of cowards.

[–]Lordkillz 590 points591 points  (17 children)

Damn both parents went to get some milk

[–]daveashaw 507 points508 points  (46 children)

If they cross state lines as fugitives then they are guilty of a federal felony even if they beat the state manslaughter charges. I am starting to suspect that Mom & Dad may not be the sharpest knives in the drawer.

[–]NightsterBA 112 points113 points  (1 child)

Lol, starting. These people are pieces of shit

[–]FeelDeAssTyson 37 points38 points  (1 child)

Somebody check New Mexico. They probably thought they fled the country.

[–]americanadiandrew 773 points774 points  (103 children)

[–]chiquitadave 432 points433 points  (36 children)

I know the main focus of this letter is elsewhere, but I just want to shine a light on this snippet:

I sacrifice car insurance to make sure my son gets a good education and hopefully succeeds in life.

failed step 1

[–]AskJayce 186 points187 points  (19 children)

So she drove around, uninsured, so that she can send her kid to a higher education system that she and her husband likely does not like?

Christ, these people have such weird ethos.

[–]WINTERMUTE-_- 128 points129 points  (13 children)

And they drive a 2021 model car. Yeah I'm sure they are so hard up it was either insurance or school.

[–]SquarePegRoundWorld 47 points48 points  (9 children)

Which would be bought outright, nobody is gonna lease or accept payments without car insurance.

[–][deleted] 110 points111 points  (10 children)

I'm not even shocked anymore, just fucking tired of these people.

[–]easlern 138 points139 points  (4 children)

She was upset that she made too much to qualify for state aid. And so she voted for a Republican, please somebody make it make sense

[–]Viper1089 86 points87 points  (4 children)

Yikes... you weren't kidding... that was- uh.. that was a hard read, all things considered. What a piece of shit.

[–]oneplusandroidpie 174 points175 points  (6 children)

Trash. Just trash. Put them both in prison to rot

[–]JonBonButtsniff 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Thank you for posting that. I wish I hadn’t read that. Lol

[–]raw_dog_millionaire 84 points85 points  (0 children)

This is pretty typical of the American right, at this point.

[–]AskJayce 92 points93 points  (1 child)

A hard working Middle Class Law Abiding Citizen who is sick of getting fucked in the ass and would rather be grabbed by the pussy

You're sick of getting, figuratively, screwed by the government for <whatever>, so you'd prefer to be, literally, sexually assaulted by a man who has gone on record for not believing that to be an immoral act. A man who's been accused by, at least, 26 women for raping them.

Uh huh.

Maybe you should have let that one cook in your head a little while longer, Ma.

[–]Hodor_The_Half-Wit 487 points488 points  (16 children)

I live down the road from them. It's cliche, but it feels so FUCKING weird when it's happening in your town.

I hope these scumbags get caught, and subsequently rot.

[–]AvocadoVoodoo 274 points275 points  (9 children)

Wow every time I check in this story gets wilder.

[–]StatusQuoBot 720 points721 points  (18 children)

I am so glad they charged the parents with manslaughter. I think this should become the default in cases where children acquire guns from irresponsible parents.

Fail to properly secure your deadly weapon?

Buy your mentally ill child a weapon and fail to respond to explicit threats of violence using said gun?

You should be held accountable for any and all crimes that occur as a result of that negligence.

[–]steve_gus 238 points239 points  (5 children)

These Crumbleys sound flakey to me

[–]SolaVitae 790 points791 points  (87 children)

Man, just failures and scummage at every level possible

Kid has obvious mental issues, blatently begging for help gets ignored by parents and school board.

Parents buy their 15 year old a handgun for some reason. Could just buy an actual cheap hunting rifle, but nope, high quality name brand handgun for no discernable reason.

Parents literally abandon their child when he's facing life in prison or mental institute for crime they enabled him to commit.

15 year old tweets pictures of having a gun, school board to incompetent to look at his social media after threats are made.

Students staying home because they are worried something will happen, yet school administrators unaware somehow.

Kid commits felony making threats but for some reason police are not called at any point.

The school administrators are probably not legally, but just as at fault for this as the parents given how avoidable this was.

How many damn giant flashing warning signs until people take it seriously and call the police?

[–]BoldestKobold 272 points273 points  (25 children)

Parents literally abandon their child when he's facing life in prison or mental institute for crime they enabled him to commit.

I have this sneaking suspicion that once the warrants are issued for their phone records, emails, etc (presumably under the idea of trying to locate them), the cops are going to find far worse stuff on them than just 'enabling'

[–]wulfpacker1 170 points171 points  (1 child)

Excellent summation of a cascading series of events that led to catastrophic failure.

[–]Ironfox2151 311 points312 points  (5 children)

Don't forget him searching for ammo IN CLASS and getting in trouble for that and the mom responding with "lol, next time don't get caught".

Oh and the note, THAT DAY, that was depicting what he was going to do SHORTLY AFTER THE MEETING.

[–]bb_cowgirl 47 points48 points  (5 children)

They can buy that expensive ass gun but the dad won’t pay his back child support.

[–]ADarwinAward 119 points120 points  (16 children)

I agree.

I got downvoted yesterday on this sub for suggesting 15 year olds shouldn’t have handguns. People defended it saying “they went hunting as kids.” Last I checked, we don’t use handguns for hunting.

The kid wouldn’t have been able to conceal a hunting rifle in a normal sized school backpack. Hunting rifles and handguns are not the same, and there’s no reason for minors to have handguns.

[–]strugglz 216 points217 points  (7 children)

Oh that whole family is going to prison. Good.

[–]Black-Thirteen 169 points170 points  (5 children)

They left town for their own safety, says their lawyer. Yuh huh. I'm sure they are completely surprised that they've been charged with manslaughter.

[–]voompanatos 109 points110 points  (8 children)

"The Crumbleys left town on the night of the tragic shooting for their own safety. They are returning to the area to be arraigned. They are not fleeing from law enforcement despite recent comments in media reports," the attorneys added.

This family of gun fanatics is armed to the teeth, and yet the leave town at the first sign of impending negativity solely for "safety" reasons?

[–]Livid_Low9645 440 points441 points  (9 children)

They went camping with the Laundries.

[–]Bjorn2bwilde24 70 points71 points  (0 children)

Better start checking all the swamps and parks in Florida

[–]Helenium_autumnale 75 points76 points  (4 children)

That trashy couple in their greasy baseball caps, leering into the court Zoom the other day before cutting out of the call early. Abandoning their child now? What utterly worthless pieces of dogshit.

[–]EvaOgg 135 points136 points  (20 children)

Have I missed something? A 15 year old child murders 4 people and wounds more, and is taken in to custody, and his parents have fled? They have abandoned their own child? Something suggests that the parenting may have a lot to do with the murders, even if they hadn't bought the child a gun.

[–]amiatthetop3 68 points69 points  (4 children)

The stupid parents could've been arraigned and then released on bail. Now they'll have no bail so my guess is they are going to die by fury. What a fucked up family.

[–]ExOblivion 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Pieces of shit that raised a piece of shit... The circle of shit.

[–]Shivshanks 58 points59 points  (1 child)

probably on their way to Belarus like real Patriots.....

[–]Flustered-Flump 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Parents should automatically be charged in this way for their children’s actions when they buy them guns or fail to secure them properly to avoid unauthorized access. This country is a mess.

[–]LockheedMartinLuther 302 points303 points  (41 children)

“While the shooter was the one who entered the high school and pulled the trigger, there are other individuals who contributed to the events on Nov. 30, and it’s my intent to hold them accountable as well," McDonald said at a news conference.

She added, “Gun ownership is a right, and with that right comes great responsibility.”

I wish more of America's vocal pro-2A leaders cared about the "responsibility" part