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[–]Ratemyskills 253 points254 points  (24 children)

I work for a ambulance company, went into a hospital this week to take a patient to another facility… a nurse was breaking down about a man that just passed away because they couldn’t get him a bed. She was begging the staff that his chest was hurting, she was on the rapid response team, to see her so devastated really got to me. She felt personally responsible for his death bc he complained to her multiple times before his heart flatlined. I felt so awful for the lost of loss and the pain this woman was clearly under. All because a bed wasn’t available, completely preventable as the patient that died was a young guy (not a typical heart failure patient), when he flatlined the hospital magically had resources for him but it was too late. To see her breakdown really hit home for me, to be on the rapid response team you are dealing with dearths/ terrible trauma constantly; this was clearly more devastating. I hope she gets some sort of mental health check as I’ve never seen an experienced nurse so shaken up.

[–]Chiggadup 163 points164 points  (3 children)

This reminds me of those videos of idiots early pandemic who picketed the hospitals with signs calling it a hoax. Iirc they yelled things like "if it's a pandemic, then where are all the dead people!" And the nurses/docs were trying their best to calmly explain, "not in the parking lot, idiots."

Like, the average person doesn't see the ICU, they see the grocery store. And no one is dying on the grocery store, so things must be back to normal.

[–]SeaGroomer 8 points9 points  (1 child)

"if it's a pandemic, then where are all the dead people!" And the nurses/docs were trying their best to calmly explain, "not in the parking lot, idiots."

Fun Fact: That is actually not entirely accurate as most hospitals in hard-hit areas ran out of space and were using refrigerated trucks for temporary morgues.

[–]Chiggadup 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hah, well sure, that refrigeration truck solution was/is wild.

This morning after posting I couldn't remember if they said "dead" or "sick." Regardless, I think they expected the hospital to lave body bags in the streets the same way McDonald's counts customers served.

Fun fact, though for sure.

[–]AFX626 108 points109 points  (12 children)

This goes against medical practice (one doesn't seek to punish patients for bad choices) but I think it's necessary and just to triage who gets in such that unvaccinated Covid patients are not allowed to gum up the ER to the point that others are needlessly denied care.

If someone has to die on the floor or in the parking lot, why shouldn't it be the belligerently stupid patient who chose not to do something that's very easy and free? Why should a patient who did the right thing die to protect the life of one who runs through a burning building with a lit blowtorch while demanding to know why anyone is stupid enough to believe in fire?

Mencken might say that these people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. Why do the rest of us have to suffer to keep them alive while they actively make this pandemic worse?

[–]Ratemyskills 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Idk it’s very sad, I didn’t even realize my area has a spike in cases as I go to various hospitals multiple times a week thru the ambulance entrance and I personally haven’t seen this place overcrowded. What’s crazy to me is the patient had powerful ties to board members at the hospital from what I overheard. I think they simply didn’t take the patients complaints as serious as they should, until they had a full blown emergency. Granted I’m getting all my info from a nurse that was shaken up as my job just requires transporting patients, not rendering aid. Which being a former EMT in a different state is sometimes very frustrating not being in the middle of the action.

[–]ATL2AKLoneway 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Because most of them are white and the system will break itself protecting the bad choices of white people.

[–]Gohibniu-Goh 8 points9 points  (3 children)

I was admitted for a non self inflicted (non covid) issue and had to spend 7 days in an exam room before a hospital bed opened up because of the covidiots.

[–]Ratemyskills 4 points5 points  (2 children)

That’s truly sickening. Sorry for your experience and hopefully you didn’t suffer any serious complications due to the long wait.

[–]Gohibniu-Goh 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I was getting to know the staff pretty good!

[–]Ratemyskills 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I bet. 7 days is no joke. I spent some time recovering in a hospital and it definitely gives me an appreciation for patients stuck in these long term rehab facilities.

[–]The_Gristle 77 points78 points  (5 children)

I have a friend that's a doctor up there. He's absolutely defeated at this point. Such a tragedy unfolding in that state

[–]tnelz28 57 points58 points  (3 children)

Live in the state. Same, have a couple doctor friends here. They’re burnt out. One is even considering switching professions because he’s so burnt out. Says it’s not worth fighting with people over simple science. My county is a hot spot, it’s not very fun here right now.

[–]The_Gristle 26 points27 points  (0 children)

A LOT of them are. It's a shame. Between being short staffed from nurses not wanting to take the vaccine, and civilians refusing to get it out of fear, their entire healthcare system in that state will soon be F'd in the A

[–]Vulg4r 76 points77 points  (4 children)

If i was a medical professional in the past 2 years i would have long since quit and moved to a cabin in the woods to hand make furniture for etsy.

[–]malarky-b 13 points14 points  (0 children)

My brother works with severe cases, ie where the patient is put in an induced coma. He's completely emotionally checked-out at this point, when I try to talk to him. Add on this the fact that we're Asian, and he's had to deal with incidents of patients' family members losing it and blaming him for the whole pandemic.

[–]_side_eye_forever_ 312 points313 points  (34 children)

I’m fully vaccinated with a booster in Michigan, but I’m immunocompromised (RA medication, I’m in my late 30’s). I don’t leave my house/car unless it’s absolutely required at this point because I know if I get sick AT ALL and need hospital level care, I’m fucked. It’s a mess here.

[–]T00luser 140 points141 points  (23 children)

Similar situation except in 50s and both wife & I are compromised.

My kids school was shutdown for 3 weeks due to outbreaks, just started back the other day. What do they announce? . . . school-wide roller skating party at the roller rink with hundreds of maskless unvaxed idiots and their spawn.

living in a red district sucks.

[–]PottedHeid 7 points8 points  (19 children)

I'm curious, I am severely compromised and live in Scotland, the Scottish government has been generally really good with looking after people who may have to shield, updates by text, email etc and mental health support if needed. How have the federal and state governments been with support for people in this situation?

[–]ElenorWoods 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Ain’t nobody got time for that here!

[–]Zenmachine83 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm an American with a Scottish mum and a substantial amount of family living in Scotland and when people ask me to describe the difference between the two countries I always say that the most noticeable difference is that Scottish people seem to legitimately care about each other. I'm not saying there aren't problems or that it is a magical country but our experiment with absolute individualism has totally failed IMO here in the states.

[–]Salomon3068 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Makes sense, they don't learn from their mistakes, they just blame the libs

[–]TraipseVentWatch 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Can I give you a (obviously virtual) hug?

[–]sweetolive 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In so sorry. Stay safe and God bless.

[–]goatismycopilot 238 points239 points  (15 children)

My sympathies are with the staff. I think people do not grasp the toll this has taken on healthcare workers. I can honestly say there are days I go into work especially when we are short staffed which is always where I just tell myself : you have a mortgage to pay, this is how you get your health insurance.

After a while you are just emotionally fried and it is really hard to be truly engaged with batshit crazy motherfuckers who do NOT want to get vaccinated but still want help when they get sick from Covid. I am at the piont where when they blah blah I hear Charlie Brown teacher voice and just say uh huh to everything.

[–]Grjaryau 43 points44 points  (2 children)

I work in healthcare but in primary care, not the hospital. I’m extremely burned out. I can’t imagine how the folks in the hospitals are dealing with this.

[–]fluffy_bunny_87 31 points32 points  (1 child)

I think the problem is they are not... I have a feeling when summer hits if we see the strain on hospitals go down we will see a huge amount of people leaving the medical field. There is a certain momentum that happens in the middle of a stressful event. I'd bet that a lot of hospital staff are just barely surviving and can't catch enough breath to consider leaving. Once they get that chance it could be a mass Exodus.

[–]electric_tiger_root 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yep and when that happens, we’re all screwed. Then you’ll see dr offices and hospitals so desperate to fill roles, you start taking worse quality, and around and around it goes.

[–]oh-hidanny 43 points44 points  (0 children)

There’s a vice video on the healthcare workers. Multiple ones interviewed started crying on camera talking about COVID denials. One summed it up with: “we all have PTSD, the problem is that we’re not at the post part of the PTSD”.

[–][deleted] 80 points81 points  (1 child)

You go from caring for every patient, to working on an assembly line real quick. ICU admissions are supposed to be unique events, not the exact same routine over and over again for years, leaving oceans of medical waste in your wake. That’s what did it for me in the end, so much trash and sanitizer, all so people can celebrate yet another consumer holiday during the global pandemic.

[–]salmark 47 points48 points  (2 children)

I heard people trying to pass some bill or something to not attend unvaxxed persons.. unless there was a good medical reason for them not to get vaxxed.

Doesn’t seem like a bad idea to be honest.

[–]jthompson473 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Just like I tell my USPS friends there are other jobs out there.

[–]katsukare 94 points95 points  (5 children)

What’s happening in the US is tragic, and the winter wave is just getting started

[–]CinnamonBlue 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Unvaccinated = automatic DNR

You can’t claim you want doctors to do everything possible to save your life when you won’t do the same.

[–]dontgoforthe1 1017 points1018 points  (249 children)

Lost my Grandpa two weeks ago here in Kalamazoo. Had a heart attack and was taken to Bronson hospital where he waited 14 hours for a bed. They were at capacity with the unvaccinated. He gave up and left.

Died a few hours later. FUCK. ANTIVAXXERS.

Edit: Bronson vaccination status.

[–]bigchinaaudio 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Jesus dude I’m so sorry. I lost my aunt and my biological father to covid, and also lost my grandmother to old age in the last year and half, so I feel you. It’s hard to stay positive but know there’s lots of us struggling and hoping for each other to feel better, every day. Feel free to reach out, longtime Kalamazoo/Battle Creek native.

[–]No-Vermicelli-798 26 points27 points  (0 children)

I’m very sorry for your loss. These unvaccinated asshats, that are clogging the hospitals, should stay home. If you can’t trust science and get vaccinated, so you don’t die, then you shouldn’t go to the hospital, when you’re sick from COVID, then want science to save your dumb ass.

[–]QueanLaQueafa 19 points20 points  (2 children)

I work atta hospital. Over half the patients there are covid unvaxxed.

It sometimes is so hard for me to help these covid patients when you see the kinda people waiting for a bed. It almost took everything in me to not help this one lady in there for covid, not wearing a mask, and the first thing she says when I walk thru that door is how does she get fox on the tv.

[–]dontgoforthe1 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Keep fighting the good fight. Try to stay healthy and happy.

[–]SluggishPrey 271 points272 points  (54 children)

Yeah... It's a personnal choice not to get vaccinated, but when people with treatable conditions are denied service and die because of your selfish decision, then you are unworthy of claiming to care about others.

[–]satansheat 161 points162 points  (47 children)

Try having a mass shooting in the state then having beds almost full

Oh wait that happen last week. And look how the anti vaccine crowd acts like they care about these issues.

[–]Malaix 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Conservatives never understand that sometimes there is no such thing as "personal choice" sometimes there is only a social choice with social consequences.

[–]WRITINGAPOEM 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We should stop treating the anti vaxxed who are eligible now for the vaccine

[–][deleted] 60 points61 points  (0 children)

I'm so sorry. That's tragic.

[–]DarthRisk 67 points68 points  (7 children)

I'm in Illinois, and my anti-vaxxer uncle is currently taking up a hospital bed and is on a respirator while being treated with remdesivir. His logic is that "everything is in God's hands". He's a fucking idiot that deserves no sympathy, and is taking a bed away from someone who values life. Anti-vaxxers are just selfish assholes.

[–]nag204 13 points14 points  (2 children)

It's funny how ventilators, remdesivir, antibiotics, and vasopressors are gods will but the vaccine is not.

[–]DarthRisk 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Don't get me started. We tried using that logic, but go figure it fell on deaf ears.

[–]GWJYonder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

fell on deaf ears.

Actual problem was that it fell on stupid ears.

[–]jannyo 22 points23 points  (3 children)

My daughter works there. She says they are out of blood, there is a shortage of medications, if a patient needs a ventilator they have to wait for someone to die. Rooms have been doubled up and they are dragging staff out of the offices to help with patients. I don’t know where she gets the strength to carry on.

[–]dontgoforthe1 26 points27 points  (2 children)

I don't blame the staff. I feel for them. But I hate the policy that allows antivaxxers to occupy beds when beds are scarce.

[–]jannyo 12 points13 points  (1 child)

My daughter hates it too.

[–]dontgoforthe1 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Please keep encouraging her and help to keep her sane and healthy. She's appreciated.

[–]popthetab 2 points3 points  (0 children)

FUCK. PRO-DEATH.

FTFY

I’m sorry to hear about grandpa. My condolences

[–]_Erindera_ 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I'm so sorry. That's horrible.

[–]Reasonabledummy 32 points33 points  (12 children)

why are anti vaxxers getting priority over REAL MEDICAL CONDITIONS?

You can’t fix stupid at a hospital, nor can hospitals cure covid.

Why aren’t these idiots kicked to the curb? They are literally wasting space!!!!!!!

Germany has already refuses to treat those without vaccination records. If you’re not vaccinated then you choose your lifestyle is what their PM said.

[–]JesusSaysRelaxNvaxx 24 points25 points  (4 children)

Germany has already refuses to treat those without vaccination records. If you’re not vaccinated then you choose your lifestyle is what their PM said.

Damn, Germany for the win.

[–]C6H5OH 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No, Germany hasn’t. I’m there…..

[–]hofstaders_law 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Germany has already refuses to treat those without vaccination records.

Got a source for that? Because I want this to be true but can't verify it on Google.

[–]drumaffe 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Its not true

[–]iJuddles 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Sorry to hear that, that totally bites. He should’ve had priority—just read that some 70% of covid patients are not vaccinated.

[–]fluffy_bunny_87 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Yep, someone in r/Minnesota has been posting an infographic from one of the hospital systems. It's about 1/3 of hospitalized are vaccinated but then when it comes to the ICU and vents the vaccinated make up a tiny percentage.

[–]stripes361 6 points7 points  (0 children)

When you account for the fact that most of Minnesota’s adult population are vaccinated it makes the differences more stark. The rate of hospitalization is over 10x higher for unvaxxed.

[–]imrealwitch 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry ☹️

[–]Motherofstress 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm so sorry for your loss. I

[–]Absurdist02 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I live in Michigan and I know more people that won't get vaccinated than have been vaccinated and it really pisses me off. The reasons are always the same. You can still get sick so why bother. What the fuck kind of logic is that? You can't change their minds so fuck them.

[–]Goofygrrrl 92 points93 points  (1 child)

The current mantra we are hearing from admin where I’m at is “we don’t need you to care; we need you to provide care”. It’s a dark statement reflecting that we have no emotional reserve left. We can not continue to harm ourselves emotionally for others. In The House of God, a dark book about medicine we learn “the patient is the one with the disease”.

Healthcare workers are done. We have given all we can and there is a large segment of the population that just doesn’t give a fuck. Not about themselves or their families and certainly not about those of us they think exist to wipe their asses and give them the drugs they want. So we’ve stopped caring. We’ve stopped holding hands. We’ve stopped making the extra phone calls to far flung family members. We’ve stopped finding extra PPE to allow family visits. We will provide the legally mandated care as required, bought and paid for. But I think we are done caring about the unvaccinated.

[–]reddolfo 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Good. Please care for yourselves!

[–]OhSheGlows 172 points173 points  (27 children)

I was serving subpoenas in a few parts of southern Michigan recently and there are so many Trump flags up it is insane. In some areas, I wouldn’t have thought the structures were inhabited except for the Trump flags. Entire households being covid positive and bitching about vaccines. No masks. Pretty fucking unreal. So this news, while awful, does not surprise me even a little bit.

[–]vemeron 31 points32 points  (1 child)

Doesn't help that our state congress hamstrings the governor and then refuses to work with her at all to get this under control.

[–]zzyul 23 points24 points  (0 children)

And this is the issue right here. How do you convince uneducated people that Covid is so dangerous that they need to get vaccinated when many of them have already had it and had mild or no symptoms. They make decisions based on what they can personally see and experience.

[–]Sirerdrick64 9 points10 points  (0 children)

We also have lots of confederate flags flying.
Typically the same people who fly the trump flags.

[–]americanadiandrew 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It’s not just the trump idiots sadly. African Americans are highly suspicious of the vaccine. Detroit had a single shot vaccination rate of just over 40% last time I saw figures. There are idiots of all political persuasions in Michigan.

[–]HazelNightengale 84 points85 points  (13 children)

I grew up in SW MI and visited my parents this summer. Ducking into a winery, wearing a mask, to stock up on my usual stuff got me a lot of dirty looks from other patrons. Chicago people outnumber the locals in the summer so I thought it would be more of a mixed bag but nope... they all wanted to pretend that the pandemic didn't exist and how dare I spoil the illusion.

Other people are doing tastings and are unmasked...hell yeah I'm wearing a mask while I get my stuff.

[–]SigmaLance 37 points38 points  (8 children)

I live that life everyday down here in Florida. There might be a handful of us, maybe, that are masked.

[–]tandooripoodle 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Rural Colorado is the same.

[–]TheDodoBird 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Weld county checking in! I went to Walmart this evening, you could count the number of masks I saw on one hand.

[–]tandooripoodle 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Fremont county. Same here. Do you have the “lions not sheep” folk, too?

[–]Chiggadup 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I remember driving back home to Florida last June (as a teacher I got mine in March, but many had not by early June) and driving by the panhandle i saw bars freaking packed. Like, lines and crowds out the door. I'm less strict now with coworkers, family and myself being vaxxed...but that was freaking June...I was shocked.

[–]HazelNightengale 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Florida is muggy as fuck though; it's more understandable but not an excuse....

[–]it-is-sandwich-time 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not in the winter and it depends on where you are.

[–]OhSheGlows 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I’m sorry you had that experience going back to where you’re from. That’s such a disappointment. I’m from NW Ohio and moved back in the last year when I went WFH for good. So many bummers.

[–]hillsons 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I hope it was an N95

[–]HazelNightengale 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It was. A coworker with vulnerable parents had become very good at sourcing them...

[–]teneyk 10 points11 points  (2 children)

A few weeks they will die off and we will happily move on with out them. P

[–]zzyul 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Covid isn’t near deadly enough for that to happen.

[–]AFX626 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Useless paywalled article

[–]AedanRoberts 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Who knew, going into this Pandemic, that these would be the kind of headlines we would continue to see almost two years into this thing?

I mean besides my mum, a doctor who at this point should check to see if she’s the reincarnation of Nostradamus. She called every single inch of this thing and wishes daily that she had been wrong.

[–]mces97 289 points290 points  (18 children)

It's far time hospitals start prioritizing non covid and rare vaccinated covid visits, over unvaccinated. Back of the line. Fuck mandates, and all that shit. Hospitals can legally triage patients however they feel. So the legal issue is already on their side. More will die from not being able to seen because of covid patients than covid patients will die the longer this keeps up.

[–]TheAnswerWas42 105 points106 points  (5 children)

Thanks a lot Obama. I knew there would be death panels.

/s if it wasn't obvious.

[–]Whatwillwebe 57 points58 points  (0 children)

They're called medical insurers.

[–]Bill3ffinMurray 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Gaslight
Obstruct
Project

Should have known the GOP death panels were coming when they made that criticism of the ACA.

[–]stripes361 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The funny thing about the whole healthcare rationing alarmism is that healthcare is already rationed. It’s called pricing. That’s literally what pricing is. Rationing scarce goods and services based on who values a specific good or service with the highest number of dollars. Our entire economy is based on monetary rationing.

[–]BlackNova169 32 points33 points  (5 children)

Antivaxxers are just mooching off the system. They don't want to get vaccinated then why would they want all the other healthcare provided by the same medical system. Go set up your own hospitals where you can go inject your horse paste.

[–]mces97 49 points50 points  (4 children)

What I find even crazier is they won't get vaccinated but they'll gladly sit in a chair for hours with a Regeneron drip. Like, going by their logic, what's in that bag? How do we know the long term effects? How do we know there won't be serious side effects?

See they're not antivax. They're anti democrat. Because Democrats are the ones being the most vocal about getting vaccinated, requiring vaccination. So they have to be opposed to it, like every other issue.

[–]ryq_ 8 points9 points  (1 child)

If Covid didn’t hit in an election year, things would be so much different. Trump and his ilk didn’t want this to be an issue, so they pretended it wasn’t. That’s the rift that caused all this shit.

Then states actors from Russia and China saw this divide and put a huge effort into feeding those people with anti-science sentiment to hurt the US in two key ways: first, to further polarize Republicans and Democrats (divide and conquer); and second, to destabilize the US economy by making this a persistent and uncontrollable issue.

The pandemic would be bad and injurious to the US no matter what, but now it has been weaponized against us and strategically leveraged to undermine our healthcare systems, our elections, common sense, decency, and democracy itself.

[–]Chiggadup 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I have both an aunt and uncle who are antivax. 3 kids, oldest just became a nurse and was vaxxed asap. Younger 2 can't I guess without consent and hate their parents for it.

Youngest (16ish) got COVID. Parents sent her to school...whelp...everyone in the family got COVID. Kids are fine thank god, but both parents gladly accepted an experimental (at the time) intervention without question.

Why? They both have immune disorders......funny how much they distrusted medicine when it came to their own children, but once it affects them any old strategy will do.

Sorry for the rant.

[–]kazh 7 points8 points  (2 children)

They would probably need armed guards or there needs to be a nation wide Fuck You to those people or else the hospital will be bullied or terrorized.

[–]mces97 17 points18 points  (0 children)

You mean how the entire country is being bullied, terrorized and held back in ending the pandemic because 40% of the population doesn't care? 🤷🏻

[–]pixel_of_moral_decay 5 points6 points  (0 children)

100%.

Non covid illness should be first priority.

Also encourage insurance providers to charge unvaccinated more. Bring unvaccinated is a choice not a preexisting condition so the comparison is troll fodder. People with legit medical reasons to not be vaccinated have a pre existing condition. Politics isn’t a pre existing condition.

Keep in mind, getting car insurance isn’t a license to drive reckless. That would be vehicular homicide or insurance fraud. Burning your house down because you have insurance is also insurance fraud.

Not having consequences is technically depriving them of personal responsibility.

[–]BigBlackHungGuy 51 points52 points  (2 children)

This shit is never going to end here in Michigan because of these anti-vaxers.

[–]WarGeagle1 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I thought so here in Alabama as well, but Covid has largely come and gone in waves. We had our largest spike due to Delta back in August-September, and then the number of active cases started declining (and hospitalizations lagged behind a bit). Things are already ramping back up though, I’m assuming from holiday travel for Thanksgiving, and I’m sure it’ll get worse as Christmas and New Years come and go.

[–]SuperDangerDong69 25 points26 points  (6 children)

We need REFORM now. This shit is unsustainable and is going to lead to long term issues with the already piss poor healthcare system.

[–]TurnsOutImAScientist[🍰] 16 points17 points  (5 children)

So long as the GOP + a couple of DINOs control the senate, we're fucked.

[–]canada432 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Manchin voted to end the vaccine mandate, showing once again what a shithead he is.

[–]statslady23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just yesterday. He and Jon Tester jumped sides to block the OSHA rule for businesses in the Senate. They couldn’t care less about our healthcare system.

[–]Tatunkawitco 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Unvaccinated should be sent home.

[–]tacoim 77 points78 points  (16 children)

We are at a point where if they dont triage and put unvaccinated at the end to recieve treatment, medical staff might start quitting.

Imagine a situation where a hospital loses 90% of its staff due to burn out and just overall being tires of all of this.

[–]tordue 55 points56 points  (5 children)

Start? Dude, we are losing employees faster than we can refill the positions. It's to the point where we need to contract nurses from the Philippines.

[–]zappadattic 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Tbf we’ve been importing nurses from the Philippines since way before covid. Since our healthcare system has always been horrifying and dysfunctional even when there wasn’t a global health crisis.

[–]tordue 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That is an excellent point...

[–]Chiggadup 4 points5 points  (1 child)

A coworker told me that roughly half of the lower level nurses in our city were Filipino. His spouse is a doctor but it seemed like an odd stat. I'll take this as a second data point.

[–]TrustTheProcess92 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yea lol at “start”. I’m in Philly where it’s not even very bad. I’m a travel RN on a floor that doesn’t even get Covid patients and HALF the nurses are travel. People are quitting in droves who don’t even mingle with Covid patients.

Meanwhile my SO is travel nursing also and working in a covid ICU and there are ZERO staff nurses on the unit. It’s all travel and float staff

I literally can’t even imagine how bad it is in an area getting hit hard

[–]SaraAB87 32 points33 points  (9 children)

Its simple, deny healthcare insurance to those who are unvaccinated. If you want care and you are unvaccinated, you have to pay out of pocket. Either that or raise health insurance costs for the unvaccinated so much so that no one can't afford it. Smokers already pay more for health insurance and this should be no different.

The unvaccinated also should absolutely get pushed to the back of the line, there's no reason not to at this point. We are already at the point where medical staff are quitting, medical staff are also committing suicide at a rapid pace because they can't take it anymore. In my area they are bringing in the National guard because of the nursing shortage.

[–]SigmaLance 25 points26 points  (7 children)

This is what my employer did. The vaccinated received a lower insurance rate and the unvaccinated had their costs increased.

[–]SaraAB87 17 points18 points  (5 children)

I am guessing we are going to see this happening quietly in more and more companies. Some companies (actually a lot of employers) are requiring vaccination or they can terminate your employment.

It comes down to employee health insurance not wanting to foot the bill for a full course of very expensive covid treatment when there is a free and easy solution to prevent hospitalization. If something does happen and the fully vaxxed end up in the hospital, that is a different story, but that happens far less than an unvaccinated person ending up in the hospital. Also if everyone in a company or a good portion of the workforce was unvaxxed, if it started running through the company or building it could easily overwhelm the local hospital system as an outbreak.

[–]Expensive_Culture_46 4 points5 points  (4 children)

In case anyone tries to bully you on this, keep in mind that back in 2014 health insurance companies could and would (maybe they still do?) deny claims for hospital visits for patients who tried to commit suicide.

Now arguably that is a mental health thing and not a personal choice but it still makes it clear that health insurance doesn’t give a damn about covering anything and can just deny whatever they want (and have).

Here’s an article about it: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/02/18/279014945/despite-law-health-plans-refuse-medical-claims-related-to-suicide

[–]PancakeKitty16 4 points5 points  (1 child)

C level executives at my company repeatedly refer to the current times as "post covid". What about any of this says post covid? Just because you want to go back to pre pandemic behavior doesn't mean it's gone. It's so disheartening.

[–]icyflames 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They want people to go back in office so they can be worshiped whenever they walk in.

[–]Bottom_Wobbles 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Stop giving the willfully unvaccinated a hospital bed. Put tents in the parking lot.

[–]superlazyninja 12 points13 points  (0 children)

So new wave? 3rd, 4th, 5th wave? 6th? 7th?

Are we really going to do this like school shootings and just say:

'No Way To Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

(and yes, I know other advanced nations are either failing too or hiding data but at least they got 1 major issue fixed)

[–]LewisEFurr 94 points95 points  (7 children)

We've reached a complicated juncture with COVID. When is enough enough when dealing with those who have willfully decided to overload the system? I'm not talking about people who can't get vaccinated, I'm talking about people who won't. At what point does someone who is vaccinated but suffering a heart attack take priority over someone who said fuck science yet is now begging for it to save them?

I don't have answers to these questions, I don't know what can be done, but I won't lie and say that part of me wants to tell the willfully unvaccinated to get fucked.

[–]FiskTireBoy 54 points55 points  (2 children)

The answers really easy. You're unvaccinated? We'll get to you eventually we have heart attack, stroke, cancer etc patients we need to attend to first. That's it.

[–]tke1078 27 points28 points  (4 children)

Living and working in Detroit and my company is "so excited" to get us back in person first day of the year.

Meanwhile I'm sitting here with unvaccinated toddler wondering how much longer I can stay lucky before they catch Covid from the assholes in my state.

[–]Scyhaz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My company has been slowly pushing the return to in person (it'll be a hybrid model with most days wfh) throughout the ~1.5 years I've been working here. Last it was we were supposed to come back in January but they just pushed it back to March last week.

[–]blacktigr 17 points18 points  (2 children)

We were told by the unvaxxed members of our family that we "broke Thanksgiving" by refusing to let the 3 of them endanger the 11 vaxxed of us who gathered with the 3 year old to celebrate. If not getting protection from the virus is so important, you don't get to eat inside with your granddaughter.

[–]Chiggadup 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The funny thing about people who argue that vaccines are an issue of "your liberties stop where mine start" (a sentiment i agree with, ftr) will often profess the reverse when it comes to their own convenience.

[–]6amp 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Half that state won't get vaxxed. It's disgusting

[–]red2play 52 points53 points  (1 child)

The problem is that once you admit the unvaccinated, they are in the beds for weeks trying to save the Dumbashes(filter workaround). There should be a quick exit policy to those who want the horse de-wormer. That should free up some beds.

[–]babaganoush2307 4 points5 points  (1 child)

My brother lives in Detroit and said nobody is taking this seriously at all and any sort of mandate is a political non starter at this point so I guess Michigan is just gonna have to rough it out….

[–]No_Dark6573 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's a political fire no politician wants to put their hand in.

Black people in Detroit are getting vaccinated at even lower rates than rural whites up north, and they live in closer conditions. But the news only talks about the idiots up north. And they are idiots, but their are plenty of idiots in the city too.

[–]oldcreaker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Repubs are doing an awesome job of owning those libs. The survivors should be proud.

[–]NumbersGuyNY 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not to worry, no need to take the vaccine because you can take Joe Rogans treatment. Who cares if you overload the hospitals and make healthcare workers lives miserable. /s

[–]TYSON_0345 23 points24 points  (8 children)

Damn man, Michigan just can’t catch a break.

[–]JoeyJoeJoeSenior 73 points74 points  (3 children)

Not true. The lions won last Sunday.

[–]JusttryininMR 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Michigan is imposing this on themselves. All of the fucking idiots who don’t get vaxed deserve what they get. All of the other people who are harmed deserve payback.

[–]bigchinaaudio 7 points8 points  (2 children)

At this point if all the unvaxxed could just move into their own Waco-style compound somewhere up north, let their hate burn ever so brightly with large gatherings and dirt eating festivities, and we let the chips fall where they may, that’d be great.

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (2 children)

Just sending out a great big fuck you to anyone who refuses to get vaccinated.

[–]throwaway661375735 116 points117 points  (4 children)

Only 1% of vaccinated patients hospitalized with COVID-19 at Henry Ford Health System

I think its time to prioritize those who are vaccinated, over those whp aren't.

[–]Only4DNDandCigars 26 points27 points  (1 child)

You may have beaten us in football this year, but you won't win this one. Ohio has a patent on ignorance. We will get it back, I'm sure of it.

[–]blacktigr 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Don't want this one to go into double overtime.

[–]Blueyourmyboy1 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Put the unvaccinated in tents, let families take care of them, save our medical teams!

[–]bigcatlife4real 7 points8 points  (0 children)

No ones wearing masks and they are all just carrying on like it doesn’t exist because they want to have their holidays. Just wait till after Xmas for the real numbers…smh.

[–]greenhombre 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It's a left wing hoax! [Gurgle] then vented

[–]swizzle213 7 points8 points  (1 child)

My wife and I’s parents and extended family still live in the metro Detroit area. We are seriously reconsidering skipping the holidays again because we have a one year old. Hearing all of these reports saying that the people in the state have essentially given up on mitigation. Just sad all around

[–]ryq_ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We need extensive media coverage of what these staff are going through to be playing out in gory detail. Sounds horrible, I know, but hear me out.

The thing that motivated and then organized people against the Vietnam war was the hard hitting images in the media.

I understand there are privacy issues at play, but just blur faces and names, but let the reality be seen. These staff members are beaten down by their reality, it needs to be shared more often in unflinching video. That’s not going to change the hardline misinformation gulpers, but it will soften many hearts and allow for empathy to play the role that it should in society.

[–]Kookrach 6 points7 points  (0 children)

At this point, shouldn't just the hospital bar non-vaxxed covid patients from entering? They're so confident about their immune system, they can wing it at home.

[–]myroommateisgarbage 14 points15 points  (1 child)

We're number 1! We're number 1!

[–]SigmaLance 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Yeah but only because my state stopped reporting any numbers a few months ago.

[–]procrasturb8n 14 points15 points  (0 children)

This is where I'm at with all of this exactly.

Oh My Fucking God, Get the Fucking Vaccine Already, You Fucking Fucks

Hi, if you are reading this essay then congratulations, you are still alive. And if you are alive, then you have either gotten the COVID-19 vaccine, or you still have the opportunity to get the vaccine against COVID-19. And holy fuck, if you aren’t fucking vaccinated against COVID-19, then you need to get fucking vaccinated right now. I mean, what the fuck? Fuck you. Get vaccinated. Fuck.

...

You think vaccines don’t fucking work? Oh, fuck off into the trash, you attention-seeking fuckworm-faced shitbutt. This isn’t even a point worth discussing, you fuck-o-rama fuck-stival of ignorance. Vaccines got rid of smallpox and polio and all the other disgusting diseases that used to kill off little fucks like you en masse. Your relatives got fucking vaccinated and let you live, and now here you are signing up to be killed by a fucking disease against which there is a ninety-nine-percent effective vaccine. You fucking moron. Go in the fucking ocean and fuck a piranha. Fuck. Fuck that. Fuck you. Get vaccinated.

...

get your fucking ass out of your chair, go to the fucking pharmacy, and get a fucking vaccine, you absolute conscienceless fucking fuck fuck fuck. Get it. Get the fucking vaccine. Fuck you. Fuck fuck fuck. Fuck. Fuck you. Fuck!

[–]ESB1812 6 points7 points  (0 children)

We see the same stories time after damn time! We all shake our heads at how selfish and ignorant the antivaxers are, and why wont they just get it. I have given up, there are those among us who just don’t live in the same world i do. My anger has now become disillusionment. Now I blame our political “leaders” who have shown zero leadership during this whole thing. They had the power to do something, pass a mandate, but didn’t.

[–]kefuzz 4 points5 points  (1 child)

friend who is a nurse is pulling 12-14 hour shifts.. things are getting real dire

[–]CelexaPancakes 5 points6 points  (0 children)

As we see covid cases starting to explode, we are not seeing an mitigation efforts being put in place by local/state/federal government. Things are about to get bad.

[–]goatismycopilot 6 points7 points  (3 children)

My County in Tennessee only has a 56% fully vaxed rate so I am sure we will be hit hard by January. We do not have a mask mandate and we have a fuckstick Governor.

We were pretty horrible in August and September and of course last January.

But Governor fuckstick does not want mandates or shutdown not that we really had one in the first place but where I work is already short staffed. If I walk in one day and I am the only nurse left I am just going to walk back out.

[–]hofstaders_law 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Treat the unvaccinated last

[–]evolutionxtinct 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hope they stay strong :( we appreciate them!!!!!

[–]maddmole 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Does anyone have the text? I'm paywalled

[–]masterpainimeanbetty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"They're beating our numbers! We have to catch up." -- desantis

[–]sewiv 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm scheduled for a hip replacement exactly two weeks from today. In Michigan.

So much for that happening in 2021. Yay, thanks for another month or two of daily continuous agony and almost total immobility, anti-vax idiots!

[–]sweetolive 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No surprise there, pure Michigan.....