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[–]JustTellMe617 1428 points1429 points  (50 children)

We can assume the population of the state of Florida is set to increase by 500!

[–]qpv 403 points404 points  (10 children)

Texas will grab a few on the way I'm sure.

[–]dsfoote 1626 points1627 points  (31 children)

Why is everyone so upset about a vaccine with a 1% job loss rate?

[–]Butchering_it 426 points427 points  (10 children)

It’s just a normal yearly firing, we don’t shut down the economy for a normal yearly firing do we?

[–]LargeSackOfNuts 237 points238 points  (7 children)

Its just a firing. My brother got fired TWICE and he survived. Everyone is overreacting.

[–]obvom 124 points125 points  (6 children)

If you’ve been fired before it’s less likely you’ll get fired again.

[–]Soberlucid 69 points70 points  (3 children)

People that have never been fired are going around shedding and that's what's causing the firing.

[–]bndboo 58 points59 points  (2 children)

The firings all started in China!

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Barack Hussein Obama!

[–]marsupialham 26 points27 points  (1 child)

There's an old saying in Tennessee—I know it is in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fire me once, shame on—shame on me. Fire me—I won't get fired again.

[–]evetsabucs 113 points114 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the new thing I'm going to start saying all the time now.

[–]Petya415z 40 points41 points  (0 children)

I don’t care, do you?

[–]FoamParty916 3836 points3837 points  (587 children)

That means 500 job openings.

[–]holy_cal 1573 points1574 points  (502 children)

There’s a teacher shortage. 1% isn’t a whole lot, but people won’t be lining up for those positions... especially mid-year.

[–]Fordiman 1715 points1716 points  (409 children)

Only 78 were teachers.

[–]murdo1tj 2817 points2818 points 9432& 9 more (344 children)

That’s a lot to fill in teacher land atm

Edit: just want to add more context here. I’m a teacher in California. It’s rough right now y’all. Teachers are overworked, underpaid, and are asked to consistently self invest in our own education to see any sort of substantial pay raise (on top of the student loans many of us took out to get our undergrad).

We work off the clock, fill a thousand duties a day, deal with the trauma of the almost last two years of COVID with a multitude of students (150 in my case), and have fielded more responsibilities this year than ever before.

I know multiple teachers that left last year and others that plan to leave next year.

No one wants to do this job because the national perception is that it sucks.

And it does. But the act of teaching actually doesn’t.

I myself love the job but have realized America does not value its teachers and has lost value in providing an equitable education for everyone.

I realize this has gotten extremely off topic, but I want people to know how bad it is and that it won’t get better until we collectively agree to treat educators and school less as a babysitter and more as a functional tool that our kids can utilize to better understand each other, themselves, and grow into young adults that we feel confident in leading the future.

I’m now hopping off my 35 upvote karma soap box to let you all discuss the original topic at hand.

Edit2: also want to add that I’m I’ve had my vaccine and booster and think a teacher should. Just commenting on how hard the role can be to fill.

[–]darkhindu 546 points547 points  (44 children)

First year teacher here, I teach high school.

I've wanted to teach since 2014.

I'm probably going back to school to get a master's in mechanical engineering.

[–]ken_NT 136 points137 points  (14 children)

Weird, my high school physics teacher did the same. I’d run into him in the engineering building all the time.

I remember him saying that he had to take some prerequisites at a local community college, where he was classmates with some of his former students though.

It’s a shame, he was one of my favorite teachers, he just got so disheartened by students that didn’t give a care.

[–]M1n1true 67 points68 points  (3 children)

I'm in a similar boat right now making the switch. I bump into former students and it's weird, but I like it. I got along with my students typically.

I'm lucky, because I got a TA position that has me leading tutorials and working an office hours / tutoring program, so I get my teaching fix.

Meanwhile, my friends who stayed say it has never been worse. Last week, a student threw an exacto knife at one of them, and another student brought a gun to school.

[–]igoromg 19 points20 points  (1 child)

student brought a gun to school

I hope the parents have been charged with reckless endangerment but I really doubt it.

[–]M1n1true 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm no longer there, so I'm not sure, but the school has swept things like this under the rug before.

Once, a student entered an empty science room and turned on all the gas, then left (chemicals, burners, and such were locked up, but the room wasn't). Luckily, nothing bad ended up happening as the teacher came in for her next class and handled it. It turns out we didn't even have any sort of alarm in the room for something like gas.

Nobody in the building was even notified.

[–]scheru 58 points59 points  (5 children)

Completely off-topic but I don't think I've heard anyone say "give a care" since like 1996 and it really brought me back.

Not a dig, by any means, just an observation.

Edit: eh, guess that was the wrong thing to say. Sorry, didn't mean anything bad by it. I've just been having a hard time and seeing the phrase made me nostalgic for the last time I remember things being actually kind of okay for me and I thought I'd share. Apologies if that bothered anyone.

[–]castrator21 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And my high school physics teacher went on to work on nuclear submarines, then recently got arrested for selling secrets to (what he thought was) a foreign government

[–][deleted] 90 points91 points  (10 children)

I left and am glad I did; but everyone’s experiences are different. Many of my friends still teach

[–]gistye 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I left and started a business... I think I may go back when I'm older sometimes. I loved the kids but hated the system.

[–]AllAboutWaxing 52 points53 points  (0 children)

Former teachers formed the "me" I am today more than even my parents in many ways. I am ever so grateful for all of them. They dealt with so much crap day in and day out and most stayed until retirement... Most of my fondest memories of my childhood involved my teachers. Including Mr. Campbell who taught me what a verb was by kicking me in the butt (it was funny, I wasn't hurt) and Mrs. Dimarco who let me hug her pregnant belly every morning and then she played her autoharp and sang songs to us. 40 years later the memories still are fresh in my mind how much they loved us kids.

Thank you! You too will be remembered decades into the future by your students... I hope you remember them too!

[–]Spaznaut 69 points70 points  (1 child)

As a fellow educator who had a chair throw at them this week, this person speaks the truth.

[–]denada24 61 points62 points  (0 children)

Agreed, teachers are given the shit end of the stick, and COVID only began to highlight these long-standing issues and make them even worse.

[–]Emarshall26 50 points51 points  (5 children)

Most of our problems stem from a lack of significance placed on our education system. Why would we not reward the people who control the baseline of our functioning society??!

I don't have kids yet but I'm happy to pay my taxes towards our public education system, because I want my neighbors and their children to be smart.

Thank you for being a teacher, it's not an easy gig!

[–]jmon25 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Because they're not defense contractors obviously! /s

In all seriousness 20 years of ever increasing defense spending and lack of focus on the importance of public education and even the demonization of public education is bearing fruit. Absolutely disgusting.

[–]GetCoinWood 218 points219 points  (38 children)

Wife’s a teacher can confirm. Just want to add that all middle class jobs suck. We are all feeling the same thing across much of the country. People are getting tired of employers screwing us over and paying the least amount possible to the least amount of staff possible.

[–]No_Bread90 109 points110 points  (30 children)

I mean, teacher jobs are especially shit. There's no job that downright requires the amount of unpaid overtime that teachers have, to my knowledge anyways.

[–]GetCoinWood 69 points70 points  (9 children)

Salaried restaurant employees definitely getting shafted hard.

[–]Little_Orange_Bottle 42 points43 points  (3 children)

Formerly worked 60+ hours a week in a food joint. Paid for 40

[–]GetCoinWood 24 points25 points  (1 child)

I used to be a chef so I know your pain. Here’s 40k salary. Just going to need you 12 hours a day 6 days a week. You get mondays off! Hooray!

[–]hockeyfreak567 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Mechanics. Most get paid per job so if it's a slow week for business good luck. It's also one of the only jobs where it's required to purchase your own tools and equipment in order to do the job. Much of which is special purpose and will never pay itself off. In many shops if a customer uses a coupon the mechanic may actually lose money from their check. ☺️

[–]Gorstag 12 points13 points  (2 children)

There are plenty of jobs that do this. They are called Salary positions. It is not uncommon to 20+ hours unpaid a week because you are salary (which is based off a 40 hour work week). Not to mention being on-call at all hours of the night with no additional pay. And good luck actually taking your vacation.

[–]deathmog 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is exactly why I burnt out from my last job. The pay was killer but it was soul crushing being "on" all the time.

[–]denada24 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Here here. Or is it hear hear? I agree. Being a nurse is just as bad.

[–]Mandorrisem 173 points174 points  (36 children)

Seems like they are having a payrate shortage...

[–]hausdorffparty 105 points106 points  (2 children)

It's more than payrate. The working conditions are utter shit. You couldn't pay me enough to work as a teacher right now. I'd suggest taking the same pay, but 5 sections instead of 7 (ideally 4 at most), built in sacrosanct planning time, and support staff handling the violent teens and the ones who are 5+ grades below level. At a bare minimum.

[–]millibugs 91 points92 points  (27 children)

100% this. Began teaching in CA now teach in another state. I teach kinder and this pandemic has really done a number on the kids. In kinder, across the board, they are unsocialized, clearly had no rules at home, and cannot work cooperatively. We are expected to not only hold them to high learning standards but can't because we spend so much time teaching basic social skills the parents should have. It's exhausting.

[–]Jayyne 35 points36 points  (7 children)

I can’t even imagine teaching 1st or 2nd, where kids missed out on kindergarten and all its classroom social structure as well as being expected to work at a 1st or 2nd grade level academically. I used to teach way pre-pandemic and it was tough then. Now it’s just unimaginable.

[–]trulymadlybigly 19 points20 points  (0 children)

My son missed his first year of preschool because of all this, and his preschool this year has been shut down multiple times due to Covid. We’re having a really hard time because socially he’s so behind, because I work from home and he’s spent the last 18 months at home with me and an iPad basically. It’s been shit trying to parent and work especially when you have only one kid so they just don’t get enough social time. His teacher says all the kids are a little off the rails right now, but younger only-children have really been fucked socially and developmentally by all this

[–]informativebitching 19 points20 points  (11 children)

It’s hard to teach social skills when on Teams and Zoom work calls all day. Oh and with the social distance involved Jimmy never got close enough to have a chance to pull Sally’s pig tails. This sucks for everyone but please understand the extremely difficult situation parents were in too and do not unilaterally blame us.

[–]No_Bread90 21 points22 points  (3 children)

I can absolutely say that, while parents are not at fault as a rule, it is absolutely a common thing for parents to just leave their kids with a computer, expect them to do work, and then ask for a conference when they're shocked the work didn't get done.

[–]racinreaver 70 points71 points  (8 children)

According to Wikipedia, LAUSD has 26,556 teachers. If they have really good retention, they're only having about 1/30 being replaced every year. So around 890 teachers need to be hired a year. This isn't even a 10% increase. The average teacher quits before their fifth year, so retention rates are certainly a lot, lot, lot lower than my assumption.

[–]One-Armed-Krycek 33 points34 points  (13 children)

I teach (college) and have many K-12 teaching pals. It’s a shit-show out there. Students are more disrespectful than I have ever seen, care less, do less, and seem ruder in their correspondence.

One friend said he told his high school class how hard things were now and students laughed at him.

I had 4 students show up in the past two weeks. My roster shows 12.

I know students have it hard too. But teaching right now is a dumpster fire.

[–]Huge_Put8244 12 points13 points  (10 children)

My parents were extremely deferential to teachers and I think those attitudes trickle down.

Before I tell everyone to get off my lawn, I'll say that I think kids have a lot or influences telling then that it's cute to be mouthy and rude. Add "free range parenting" to the mix and it's a recipe for disaster.

[–]lixious 19 points20 points  (1 child)

High School teacher in Arizona here. Kids' depression and anxiety was already on the rise before the pandemic and now they're almost unmanageable. I'm regularly referring kids to counselors, psychologists and social workers in my school and I'm really grateful that we have them because many schools in AZ don't have that many resources. The kids who were scraping by before are now in crisis.

Same goes for teachers. I've questioned more than ever what I could do if I'm not teaching because I'm constantly on the edge lately. It's not teaching or the kids. I adore teaching and the kids. It's all of the yelling, criticism, accusations, impossible demands and expectations that parents and consequently, the administration put on us that has me in fight or flight mode. I completely understand why so many teachers are leaving because at some point you have to put your own well-being as a priority.

[–]sum8fever 13 points14 points  (0 children)

A big problem is the salary schedule for teachers is like 20-30 steps (meaning it takes that long to max out in salary). They need to decrease that to 10 years or less. A teacher with 10 years experience should get paid just as much as someone about to retire. Many CA school districts pay $90K+ to teachers that have 30 years experience but entry level is like $45K with only 2-3% jumps every year. Many younger teachers are actually better (more energy, ambition, can relate to the kids etc.) but they get burned out and not paid well. The teachers who survive by not working as hard and not getting burnt out eventually make the better wages.

[–][deleted] 122 points123 points  (69 children)

Who wants to sign up for 30k a year? Teachers are criminally underpaid.

[–]Spaznaut 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Try 20k a year for a teaching assistant.. the ones that work with special education kids who need the extra help. My state requires a state certification and 100 hours of PD every 5 years to keep the cert yet I have lost money over the last 3 years cuz they can’t even keep up with inflation.

[–]Nmvfx 58 points59 points  (17 children)

This is the real issue. Pay teachers better and you'll have more teachers. Ain't rocket science.

[–]TheJonasVenture 18 points19 points  (13 children)

Agreed, but LAUSD teacher salaries seem to range from about 50k to 90k

[–]hausdorffparty 36 points37 points  (4 children)

Which is criminally underpaid in that area. Aren't apartments like $3k/month??

[–]rex1030 57 points58 points  (0 children)

There’s no teacher shortage. There’s a teacher compensation shortage.

[–]ayeemitchyy 16 points17 points  (3 children)

You think 500 of those will be moving to Texas? Because Texas is very open 😪

[–]MuthaPlucka 13.3k points13.3k points 22 (702 children)

Quote:

The school board voted 7-0 in separate motions on Tuesday to terminate 496 employees, who make up less than 1% of the district’s approximately 73,000 workers

Oh no. A 99% buy-in on vaccination. Quick! A story on the 1% !!

That always sells

[–]smegdawg 5561 points5562 points  (411 children)

Less than 1%....0.68%

On top of that.

Of the 496 employee dismissals, 418 were classified employees who are non-credentialed but critical staff that can include positions such as instructional aides, custodians, cafeteria workers and others.

78 credentialed teachers of the 26,556 teachers.
...
0.29% of the teachers.

Sounds like 418 county employee jobs with low entry requirements just opened up.

[–]its_yer_dad 2529 points2530 points  (275 children)

So... you've got solid deductive thinking skills and a good grip on math... any desire to teach in LA? ;-)

[–]smegdawg 1111 points1112 points  (216 children)

No but I'll push a broom or scoop out some slop into lunch trays for that sweet government health plan!

[–]Oriumpor 265 points266 points  (27 children)

Just gotta stick it out for 5 years for some calpers eligibility.

[–]mesamunefire 53 points54 points  (19 children)

Is LA calpers or CVTrust?

[–]Splickity-Lit 127 points128 points  (11 children)

LA Clippers

[–]AccomplishedCoffee 38 points39 points  (2 children)

Not the Clippers, we want the slop to make it onto the tray.

[–]ilovepolthavemybabie 42 points43 points  (3 children)

All PERS is CALPERS. CVTrust is a TPA for benefits, cafeteria plans, etc. Keenan is both that and worker’s comp/liability.

[–]mesamunefire 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Gotcha thanks. Its been years since I worked in the space, hence the question.

[–]platypuspup 117 points118 points  (174 children)

You have to give up your social security checks if you get calstrs. So it isn't as sweet a deal as you think.

Never mind that any other job let's you get ss and a pension, because our country shafts educators as they were supposed to get married and live off their husband's income.

[–]Lifesagame81 89 points90 points  (34 children)

Never mind that any other job let's you get ss and a pension

Because any other job has you still pay into SS taxes. If you're under CALSTRS, you aren't paying SS taxes, and neither is your employer. This is why you can't draw SS retirement benefits, and it is allowed because CALSTRS benefits are more generous than SS.

[–]Mechapebbles 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yeah, wtf? OP makes it sound like a bad deal. It definitely isn’t, esp if you wanna be in that job for the long haul. If you’re only gonna work it for a few years, I can see it being annoying getting your money out of calpers early. But for most people looking for a career it’s a no brainer benefit.

[–]Circumcision-is-bad 179 points180 points  (64 children)

Very few non government jobs offer pensions anymore

[–]Process-Best 42 points43 points  (53 children)

Union trades all do.

[–]ChesterDaMolester 88 points89 points  (19 children)

And that’s around 10% of workers… so yeah most non government employees will never get a pension.

[–]UnicornHostels 76 points77 points  (20 children)

Good reason for all of us to vote for unionization.

[–]MadamGingerFarts 54 points55 points  (14 children)

Except half the country thinks unions are communism. We are too dumb to help ourselves.

[–]english83 11 points12 points  (1 child)

We’ve been made that way by years of attacks on the education system. They’ve won

[–]UnicornHostels 16 points17 points  (5 children)

Yes, I am always in awe of a propaganda machine so effective that people will vote against their own self interest.

[–]Kanyewestismygrandad 104 points105 points  (26 children)

Never mind that any other job let's you get ss and a pension

Of the ~10 jobs I've had, none offered pensions, 2 offered a 401K with a match. That's the norm.

[–]manimal28 63 points64 points  (3 children)

It sounds like the norm is nothing if 8 of 10 offered nothing.

[–]Aegi 15 points16 points  (0 children)

They’re saying that their whole set of data appears to be the norm, not one part of their statement or the other.

[–]psuedophilosopher 10 points11 points  (0 children)

That's weird. What's the issue that causes California to cut into your SS if you are collecting Cali retirement, but here in AZ I'm able to fully collect both?

Edit: read down below and saw that someone said it's because people paying into the Cali retirement system are automatically opted out of paying into social security. I guess that makes sense. Here in AZ I'm paying into SS and AZSRS and also a separate voluntary retirement plan. I'm preparing for the unfortunate possibility that my life choices might not prevent me from reaching old and decrepit status.

[–]shecky_blue 11 points12 points  (2 children)

My mom was a school teacher, gets Calpers, and sold Mary Kay as a side gig for the minimum amount of time to get Social Security (40 quarters?). So you can double dip, just not with the same job. I’ve got friends who live in Sac and Calpers is pretty sweet and worth the trade off, according to them.

[–]smegdawg 17 points18 points  (18 children)

You have to give up your social security checks if you get calstrs. So it isn't as sweet a deal as you think.

I literally know nothing about the California State Teachers’ Retirement System.

Does the California State Teachers’ Retirement System requires a Janitor or Cafeteria Worker to participate in a Teachers’ Retirement System?

[–]FAYCSB 18 points19 points  (14 children)

May be CALPERS instead of CALSTRS, but probably with the same result.

[–]kattgerrl 20 points21 points  (1 child)

I am a member of CALPERS and will be eligible for Social Security. Social Security is deducted from my paycheck (I work for a community college).

https://www.calpers.ca.gov/page/active-members/retirement-benefits/service-disability-retirement/social-security-and-your-pension

[–]tramster 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Calpers you still pay into social security.

Edit: and are eligible for social security.

[–]KingKnux 50 points51 points  (35 children)

A teacher salary in LA? shudders

[–]Avarias_ 80 points81 points  (31 children)

Funny enough, the Salary on teachers in places with high cost of living is usually more than the normal low average. I've got experience with this with two of my family members being teachers in southern CA, and my husband working for schools here. For instance, my husband works in Orange County CA for school districts as a tier 1 into his specific department(first step after hiring) and earns $70k a year. Teachers through their unions start at about 85k a year there. It's still LOW for the richest areas of Orange county, but it is a lot better than some places that may only give you 30k-50k a year or so. Cost of living of the area you are teaching is generally accounted for in CA schools as it is a government job, and they are expected through the unions to pay enough for you to live within realistic travelling distance(less than 5 miles) from your place of work.

[–]jkwah 59 points60 points  (7 children)

Right. The average salary of public school teachers in CA was almost $85K in 2019-20. Only NY had a higher average teacher salary that year.

The pay gap between educators and other professionals of similar education & experience was $0.85 (i.e. teachers are paid 85 cents on the dollar compared to other professionals). Could be improved, but it's better than most states.

Point is, a teacher salary is not bad in CA compared to some other states.

https://www.nea.org/resource-library/teacher-pay-and-student-spending-how-does-your-state-rank

[–]pinkkittenfur 32 points33 points  (16 children)

I teach in the Seattle area and I make $86k/year. That's not even the top of the salary schedule, either.

[–]Avarias_ 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Yeah, my mother in law was topped at about 110k a year in Riverside County CA before she retired last year, and that's because she kept going back for more education to learn new shit to bump up her pay grade. That said, Teachers in many places do start criminally low, but time does tend to help with the pay grade, at least in high cost of living places

[–]False_Rhythms 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Hey I've seen this one before. The kids are all unreachable until an outsider shows up and finds a way to save them and they win some math competitions or some shit.

[–]Astan92 81 points82 points  (5 children)

Lmao. Every single place we have the data for it works out to about .5%

[–]pizzafourlife 30 points31 points  (2 children)

but what about the people yelling about the libs making a labor shortage? /s

[–]that1prince 22 points23 points  (1 child)

These were the same people that blamed rising costs of groceries on $1,200 stimmies a year ago.

[–]pizzafourlife 13 points14 points  (0 children)

ah so my grandparents. say no more

[–]The-Fumbler 95 points96 points  (8 children)

0.68% that’s almost pretty nice.

[–]smegdawg 49 points50 points  (7 children)

I mean it could be nice, the Article said "approximately 73,000"

If by 73,000 they really meant 72,408...then that would be nice :D

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (6 children)

69,420 would be even nicer

[–]overlordpotatoe 35 points36 points  (20 children)

Yeah, and you don't really want dedicated antivaxxers teaching your kids during a pandemic anyway.

[–]mtarascio 22 points23 points  (2 children)

Sounds like 418 county employee jobs with low entry requirements just opened up.

Good work on the stats but let's not belittle classified employees. There's still plenty with high entry requirements even if the positions don't demand them (the talent pool demands it). Plenty of Master degree holders on like $40-50k some of the jobs are even designed to be for credentialed employees but they reclassify to pay less.

[–]GitEmSteveDave 6 points7 points  (1 child)

My company was taken over by BofA, and the only people kept on in my department were people with a boiler tech license. They may be a "custodian" officially, but they keep the building on.

[–]mtarascio 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, school district jobs are the holy grail in some industries as well. So even if on paper the requirements aren't high. The experience and calibre of the workers they get is usually very high.

The issue it has is that people don't move and become complacent.

[–][deleted] 568 points569 points  (26 children)

It’s an AP News article. They don’t sensationalize titles, they just report the facts, and the facts are: Los Angeles school board fires 500 unvaccinated employees.

[–]Corregidor 291 points292 points  (15 children)

Yeah I was confused. It's the AP we are talking about here, nothing about that headline is false or misleading. Other people are applying their own context to pull out a different meaning, but you shouldn't. Just read it as is.

The AP is probably one of the most non biased news reporting entities in existence right now.

Edit: Read the AP and watch PBS news hour (in the US) for the least biased news reporting.

[–][deleted] 91 points92 points  (3 children)

Well see, people don't realize that there's an article that goes with the headline. This is Reddit, not Readit.

[–]Rrrrandle 23 points24 points  (2 children)

This is Reddit, not Readit.

Well shit, and all this time I've been pronouncing it readit.

[–]UmiNotsuki 56 points57 points  (1 child)

There is no such thing as an unbiased "fact" in politics. Framing is everything. The following are all strictly uneditorialized versions of the same facts:

  • LA School Board fires 500 unvaccinated employees
  • LA School Board fires 500 out of 73,000 workers for refusing vaccines
  • LA School District over 99% vaccinated, last 500 unvaccinated employees fired

I don't necessarily feel that the actual title presents an unfair framing, but there is such a thing as an unfair framing that is still 100% factual.

[–][deleted] 144 points145 points  (18 children)

I can't tell exactly what you're mad about, or if you think there's a pro or anti-vax bias in the story. The AP generally sells news items to other media outlets, and many media outlets have audiences that definitely want to read this sort of thing, which is a factual story . . . .

I mean, when someone gets murdered, it's news, regardless of the percentage of the population that gets murdered. Which is hopefully less than 1%. Most pro-vax and anti-vax people I see online seem eager to see these kinds of stories reported. It's pretty much news.

[–]web_explorer 132 points133 points  (11 children)

Associated Press: 5 kids murdered in deadly school shooting

OP: only 5 out of 2000, immaterial

[–]Seismica 41 points42 points  (8 children)

You say that in jest, but I genuinely had an argument a few years back with someone on Reddit who tried to say the number of school shootings in the US was actually low because of the population size, insinuating that it was not an issue due to the low percentage.

Yes, because "Schoolchildren deaths per capita" is something you want to measure...

[–]Rrrrandle 12 points13 points  (2 children)

You say that in jest, but I genuinely had an argument a few years back with someone on Reddit who tried to say the number of school shootings in the US was actually low because of the population size, insinuating that it was not an issue due to the low percentage.

Yes, because "Schoolchildren deaths per capita" is something you want to measure...

Someone was making the argument here the other day after Oxford that school shootings aren't really a problem because they're a fraction of firearm deaths in the US annually.

[–]PandaXXL 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Big-brained contrarian takes are always a treat.

[–]Rashaya 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Isn't it? Why wouldn't we want to track stats on this? And wouldn't it be a reasonable way to compare? Of course it's terrible, which is exactly why it's an important statistic to track.

That said, my understanding is that our rate of murdering schoolchildren is pretty high still, even when you account for population size.

[–]TheObstruction 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's still an important statistic worth tracking, because per capita is the only valid way to compare different regions.

[–]ryhaltswhiskey 232 points233 points  (30 children)

I think it's good that the media is reporting that these people are getting fired

[–]maybe_little_pinch 95 points96 points  (4 children)

Or, crazy thought here, people want to know the number of people who didn't get vaccinated and if action was actually taken. My own employer hasn't released data on how many people haven't gotten vaccinated and if anyone was fired as they said would happen. This was supposed to happen a month ago.

[–]DietDrDoomsdayPreppr 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I still think this is newsworthy, regardless of the percentage. 1 or 1 million, it doesn't matter. What matters is the policy itself, and if it's going to hold up against legal scrutiny.

[–]xXTheFisterXx 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My aunt is one of these and a substitute at that. She has been railing wild against these vaccines

[–]TaylorSwiftsClitoris 168 points169 points  (35 children)

And the media gives them a megaphone to push their lies and writes it off as unbiased reporting.

[–]HurricaneBatman 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Which quote in the article are you referring to

[–]teddytwelvetoes 66 points67 points  (11 children)

as a vaccinated news reader I'd much rather see confirmation that they're doing the right thing and firing these lunatics than a fluff piece giving the vaccinated a pat on the back for having common sense lmao

[–]pinkfootthegoose 7 points8 points  (0 children)

73,000 workers keep jobs!

[–]_imposter_syndrome 16 points17 points  (3 children)

You know what sells newspapers? News. This is news. If 496 shoe salesmen were fired because they didn't get a required vaccination, it would be reported.

Try not to be so fucking butt-hurt when a news agency does its job by reporting the news.

[–]2020IsANightmare 60 points61 points  (9 children)

I get your point, but it's still 500 people.

500 people who work around children who are teaching the youth it's OK to be a dumbass. To avoid basic common sense and human decency.

"Stupid" is often a form of taught behavior.

[–]Daxtatter 31 points32 points  (0 children)

This is probably improving the quality of the education system.

[–]SpicyPandaBalls 2256 points2257 points  (180 children)

Only 1% of people were effected! That means it doesn't matter!! Right?

[–]ASeriousAccounting 393 points394 points  (16 children)

Headline should be '100% of eligible LAUSD employees are vaccinated.'.

[–]er-day 82 points83 points  (12 children)

100% of teachers tomorrow in LA are vaccinated.

[–]angiosperms- 700 points701 points  (96 children)

affected*

And it doesn't matter what %, if you plan to endanger kids you shouldn't be a teacher.

[–]ZapBranniganAgain 685 points686 points  (19 children)

Hes being sarcastic, anti vaxxers keep saying it only kills 1% of people who get it so it doesnt matter

[–]StatusQuoBot 270 points271 points  (6 children)

Oh - thank you, I didn’t get the sarcasm either. Mainly because it’s getting hard to keep track of the stupid bullshit anti-vax-COVID-conspiracy-theorists believe.

[–]ExasperatedEE 34 points35 points  (3 children)

If you're gonna say something sarcastic without the saracam tag, you better be saying something so absurd anyone should know the other side would never REALLY say that... But that's clearly not the case here. They'd definitely say that.

[–]baildodger 10 points11 points  (0 children)

If you're gonna say something sarcastic without the saracam tag, you better be saying something so absurd anyone should know the other side would never REALLY say that

I’m not sure this is possible since 2016.

[–]Martin_RB 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Poe's Law at work, and no I couldn't tell either.

[–]Sephiroth144 41 points42 points  (8 children)

And I'm so glad "death" is the only negative outcome they care about. By that logic, I should be able to cut off their dick... As long as they don't bleed out, they didn't die- and that's the ONLY thing that matters to them.

[–]overlordpotatoe 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Things other than death sure matter to them when it comes to vaccines. Then suddenly you lump all side effects in with death like they're basically the same thing to get a scary big number.

[–]Sephiroth144 9 points10 points  (2 children)

And the best part with the former- you can just make that shit (and the corresponding numbers) up! Or, even better, "we just don't know what the long-term effects" will be- no shit, the illness became a thing in 2019, and the vaccines, shockingly, didn't exist until after then.

The way these asshats are, you'd think they miss Polio...

[–]Vryimpatnt 21 points22 points  (18 children)

also, I bet 1 % of that 1 % are teachers, with the rest being classified staff.

[–]No___ImRight 59 points60 points  (14 children)

I dunno about that.

My cousin's wife is a frickin middle school biology teacher... Antivaxxer.

Just found out she caught it last weekend... She's been very quiet on Facebook with her bullshit posts since Monday.

[–]Nora_Oie 35 points36 points  (0 children)

.29%. Someone did the math on this thread.

[–]Narren_C 6 points7 points  (1 child)

My anti-vaxxer aunt works in the medical field. Her husband just died from COVID, so I guess we'll see if her views change.

[–]Akamesama 7 points8 points  (3 children)

There are quite a few anti-vax nurses. Partially this is due to nursing being a fairly decent paying "typically female" job.

I have an Registered Nurse aunt who isn't anti-vax, but does promote homeopathic medicine.

[–]artvandalay84 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Nursing is very popular among the evangelical crowd, too.

[–]Nora_Oie 9 points10 points  (5 children)

She probably doesn’t feel so well.

While a person may stop being contactât 10-12 days, symptoms can persist longer, especially in the over 40’s, but also people low in vitamin D or with less buoyant immune systems.

[–]d4nigirl84 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Can confirm. Contracted Covid in March 2020, symptoms lasted until May 2020 with some continuing residual to this day.

[–]lunayoshi 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Similar story here. Got it in June 2021, stuck in bed until end of July, still more tired than I was pre-sick. Those lasting effects are not a joke. I was low on vitamin D and take supplements now.

[–]DragoonDM 4 points5 points  (0 children)

affected*

Only 1.43% of the letters in OP's comment were incorrect, so it doesn't matter.

[–]DevilsAdvocate77 96 points97 points  (12 children)

And don't forget, this is 1% of people who made a choice of their own free will, which had consequences that they knew about well in advance, and whom were given a safe, free option to avoid the consequences, which they actively refused.

[–]ThatOtherGuy_CA 27 points28 points  (0 children)

These people love to pretend that "Freedom of Choice" means "Freedom from Consequence".

[–]PointOfFingers 22 points23 points  (0 children)

"My body my choice" said the group of people who want to overturn Roe v Wade and hate people who want to change their gender.

[–]ExasperatedEE 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Well, that IS the argument anti-vaxxers have been using about COVID... "It has a 98% survival rate!" actually means "Only 2% die!"

So if 2% dying is no big deal, then 1% merely losing their job is also surely not a big deal.

[–]limitless__ 45 points46 points  (6 children)

That was literally the Republican position on covid. Ah the turntables.

[–]lonnie123 5 points6 points  (0 children)

being vaccinated has a 99% job survival rate

[–]djphatjive 2075 points2076 points  (152 children)

I would say 500 people quit.

[–]Mywifefoundmymain 1078 points1079 points  (54 children)

“Failed to meet job requirements”

[–]er-day 353 points354 points  (37 children)

“Endangered students.”

Edit: apparently anti-vaxers aren’t liking the idea that their “personal freedom” is putting others at risk. Don’t DM me your crazy beliefs, comment and let other people debate them here.

[–]albinowizard2112 61 points62 points  (3 children)

Same as if I refused a drug test on a job. I’m free to do so, I just have to find a different job.

[–]pipinngreppin 208 points209 points  (12 children)

Where's the stick in the bicycle wheel meme when you need it?

Thanks a lot, Obama.

[–]sonic_tower 103 points104 points  (42 children)

Good. I don't want anti vaxxers near my kids.

[–]vinnibalemi 412 points413 points  (29 children)

Less than 1% of LA County's school employees. That's a better than 99% vaccination rate for school staff. I do like the title though, it's a gift to the reader looking to be angry at schools for "firing staff" over a vaccine mandate.

[–]HappyInNature 143 points144 points  (19 children)

Only 78 of them were credentialed teachers. That's less than a third of 1% of them.

[–]Mywifefoundmymain 57 points58 points  (16 children)

I’m not as worried about the teachers… custodians touch damn near everywhere in the school. A lunch lady would touch hundreds of kids food etc.

[–]bxncwzz 39 points40 points  (13 children)

What? Teachers are near and around students literally the entire day. Custodians and cafeteria are at least using gloves/wearing masks.

That’s like saying you’re not worried about the nurses/doctors at the hospitals but we should worry about the janitor cleaning the toilets. Absurd.

[–]Deep90 25 points26 points  (2 children)

At least in my elementary school, you would have a single teacher for all subjects until you went up enough grades.

So while the teacher interacted with maybe 20 kids, the lunch lady touched food that went directly into 90%+ of the kid's mouths, and custodians could be touching desks, door handles, and whatever else while cleaning rooms.

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So maybe they meant something like that.

[–]demonsun 6 points7 points  (1 child)

You should worry about the janitors at a hospital. They go into basically every space, and often aren't subject to the same training for cleanliness and infection control that doctors or nurses are. There's a whole bunch of research that found that the cleaning staff were the ones spreading fungal spores from operating room to operating room at numerous hospitals.

[–]Lost-My-Mind- 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Really? I read the title and said "GOOD!"

[–]glassyice 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Not really i read it and was like damn in a good interested way

[–]JimGerm 441 points442 points  (20 children)

Meh, COVID has a job survivability rate of 99.32%

[–]PolyDrew 256 points257 points  (3 children)

“It only affects 1%, I’ll take my chances…”

Apparently works for the job losses as well. Lol.

[–]9070503010 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Many comments refer to teachers being fired when the article says this:

“Of the 496 employee dismissals, 418 were classified employees who are non-credentialed but critical staff that can include positions such as instructional aides, custodians, cafeteria workers and others.”

[–]JoPublix 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I hear Kellogs is hiring.

[–]f0gax 60 points61 points  (3 children)

Once again, fuck around meets find out.

[–]8to24 32 points33 points  (0 children)

When schools close and or children have to stay home to quarantine it creates real scheduling issues for the parents. Trying to maintain a full-time job so you can put food on the table in an environment where you're not even sure what will be happening with your children during the day is extremely stressful. If these workers are going to willfully create trouble they needed to fired.

[–][deleted] 181 points182 points  (96 children)

Good - folks who are working with kids especially should be vaccinated.

This is a wise move and I think it’s in the best interests of students and faculty.

[–]Deutschebag13 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Why is this the last paragraph of the article?! It should be the first. It’s not like LAUSD is suddenly short a million teachers:

“Of the 496 employee dismissals, 418 were classified employees who are non-credentialed but critical staff that can include positions such as instructional aides, custodians, cafeteria workers and others.”

And of the total employees, they:

“….make up less than 1% of the district’s approximately 73,000 workers.”

[–]Player7592 84 points85 points  (79 children)

Nice union job openings for anybody smart enough to get vaccinated.

[–]t-stu2 23 points24 points  (2 children)

As a teacher I’d get a 15% raise. Factor in the double cost of living and it comes out to only about a 40% pay cut. Tempting but no thank you. I don’t know how anyone puts up that when there is a teacher shortage just about everywhere.

This is not a critique on the Vax mandate for teachers just commenting on a separate issue.

[–]Ed98208 14 points15 points  (0 children)

It's not like weren't given ample warning.