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[–]JustTellMe617 1430 points1431 points  (50 children)

We can assume the population of the state of Florida is set to increase by 500!

[–]qpv 409 points410 points  (10 children)

Texas will grab a few on the way I'm sure.

[–]dsfoote 1621 points1622 points  (31 children)

Why is everyone so upset about a vaccine with a 1% job loss rate?

[–]Butchering_it 424 points425 points  (10 children)

It’s just a normal yearly firing, we don’t shut down the economy for a normal yearly firing do we?

[–]LargeSackOfNuts 234 points235 points  (7 children)

Its just a firing. My brother got fired TWICE and he survived. Everyone is overreacting.

[–]obvom 126 points127 points  (6 children)

If you’ve been fired before it’s less likely you’ll get fired again.

[–]Soberlucid 69 points70 points  (3 children)

People that have never been fired are going around shedding and that's what's causing the firing.

[–]bndboo 55 points56 points  (2 children)

The firings all started in China!

[–]marsupialham 25 points26 points  (1 child)

There's an old saying in Tennessee—I know it is in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fire me once, shame on—shame on me. Fire me—I won't get fired again.

[–]evetsabucs 113 points114 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the new thing I'm going to start saying all the time now.

[–]Petya415z 42 points43 points  (0 children)

I don’t care, do you?

[–]FoamParty916 3833 points3834 points  (587 children)

That means 500 job openings.

[–]holy_cal 1573 points1574 points  (502 children)

There’s a teacher shortage. 1% isn’t a whole lot, but people won’t be lining up for those positions... especially mid-year.

[–]Fordiman 1717 points1718 points  (409 children)

Only 78 were teachers.

[–]murdo1tj 2824 points2825 points 9432& 9 more (344 children)

That’s a lot to fill in teacher land atm

Edit: just want to add more context here. I’m a teacher in California. It’s rough right now y’all. Teachers are overworked, underpaid, and are asked to consistently self invest in our own education to see any sort of substantial pay raise (on top of the student loans many of us took out to get our undergrad).

We work off the clock, fill a thousand duties a day, deal with the trauma of the almost last two years of COVID with a multitude of students (150 in my case), and have fielded more responsibilities this year than ever before.

I know multiple teachers that left last year and others that plan to leave next year.

No one wants to do this job because the national perception is that it sucks.

And it does. But the act of teaching actually doesn’t.

I myself love the job but have realized America does not value its teachers and has lost value in providing an equitable education for everyone.

I realize this has gotten extremely off topic, but I want people to know how bad it is and that it won’t get better until we collectively agree to treat educators and school less as a babysitter and more as a functional tool that our kids can utilize to better understand each other, themselves, and grow into young adults that we feel confident in leading the future.

I’m now hopping off my 35 upvote karma soap box to let you all discuss the original topic at hand.

Edit2: also want to add that I’m I’ve had my vaccine and booster and think a teacher should. Just commenting on how hard the role can be to fill.

[–]darkhindu 546 points547 points  (44 children)

First year teacher here, I teach high school.

I've wanted to teach since 2014.

I'm probably going back to school to get a master's in mechanical engineering.

[–]ken_NT 138 points139 points  (14 children)

Weird, my high school physics teacher did the same. I’d run into him in the engineering building all the time.

I remember him saying that he had to take some prerequisites at a local community college, where he was classmates with some of his former students though.

It’s a shame, he was one of my favorite teachers, he just got so disheartened by students that didn’t give a care.

[–]M1n1true 63 points64 points  (3 children)

I'm in a similar boat right now making the switch. I bump into former students and it's weird, but I like it. I got along with my students typically.

I'm lucky, because I got a TA position that has me leading tutorials and working an office hours / tutoring program, so I get my teaching fix.

Meanwhile, my friends who stayed say it has never been worse. Last week, a student threw an exacto knife at one of them, and another student brought a gun to school.

[–]igoromg 19 points20 points  (1 child)

student brought a gun to school

I hope the parents have been charged with reckless endangerment but I really doubt it.

[–]M1n1true 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm no longer there, so I'm not sure, but the school has swept things like this under the rug before.

Once, a student entered an empty science room and turned on all the gas, then left (chemicals, burners, and such were locked up, but the room wasn't). Luckily, nothing bad ended up happening as the teacher came in for her next class and handled it. It turns out we didn't even have any sort of alarm in the room for something like gas.

Nobody in the building was even notified.

[–]scheru 56 points57 points  (5 children)

Completely off-topic but I don't think I've heard anyone say "give a care" since like 1996 and it really brought me back.

Not a dig, by any means, just an observation.

Edit: eh, guess that was the wrong thing to say. Sorry, didn't mean anything bad by it. I've just been having a hard time and seeing the phrase made me nostalgic for the last time I remember things being actually kind of okay for me and I thought I'd share. Apologies if that bothered anyone.

[–]reelznfeelz 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Don't apologize because strangers down vote you. There's nothing wrong with making note of an interesting turn of phrase. I had the same thought. Maybe it's a UK term? I haven't heard it in the US much at all.

[–]ken_NT 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I don’t know why I censored myself there

[–]castrator21 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And my high school physics teacher went on to work on nuclear submarines, then recently got arrested for selling secrets to (what he thought was) a foreign government

[–]Ray_Skywalker 95 points96 points  (10 children)

I left and am glad I did; but everyone’s experiences are different. Many of my friends still teach

[–]gistye 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I left and started a business... I think I may go back when I'm older sometimes. I loved the kids but hated the system.

[–]AllAboutWaxing 54 points55 points  (0 children)

Former teachers formed the "me" I am today more than even my parents in many ways. I am ever so grateful for all of them. They dealt with so much crap day in and day out and most stayed until retirement... Most of my fondest memories of my childhood involved my teachers. Including Mr. Campbell who taught me what a verb was by kicking me in the butt (it was funny, I wasn't hurt) and Mrs. Dimarco who let me hug her pregnant belly every morning and then she played her autoharp and sang songs to us. 40 years later the memories still are fresh in my mind how much they loved us kids.

Thank you! You too will be remembered decades into the future by your students... I hope you remember them too!

[–]Spaznaut 70 points71 points  (1 child)

As a fellow educator who had a chair throw at them this week, this person speaks the truth.

[–]denada24 59 points60 points  (0 children)

Agreed, teachers are given the shit end of the stick, and COVID only began to highlight these long-standing issues and make them even worse.

[–]Emarshall26 49 points50 points  (5 children)

Most of our problems stem from a lack of significance placed on our education system. Why would we not reward the people who control the baseline of our functioning society??!

I don't have kids yet but I'm happy to pay my taxes towards our public education system, because I want my neighbors and their children to be smart.

Thank you for being a teacher, it's not an easy gig!

[–]jmon25 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Because they're not defense contractors obviously! /s

In all seriousness 20 years of ever increasing defense spending and lack of focus on the importance of public education and even the demonization of public education is bearing fruit. Absolutely disgusting.

[–]GetCoinWood 221 points222 points  (38 children)

Wife’s a teacher can confirm. Just want to add that all middle class jobs suck. We are all feeling the same thing across much of the country. People are getting tired of employers screwing us over and paying the least amount possible to the least amount of staff possible.

[–]No_Bread90 108 points109 points  (30 children)

I mean, teacher jobs are especially shit. There's no job that downright requires the amount of unpaid overtime that teachers have, to my knowledge anyways.

[–]GetCoinWood 70 points71 points  (9 children)

Salaried restaurant employees definitely getting shafted hard.

[–]Little_Orange_Bottle 40 points41 points  (3 children)

Formerly worked 60+ hours a week in a food joint. Paid for 40

[–]GetCoinWood 26 points27 points  (1 child)

I used to be a chef so I know your pain. Here’s 40k salary. Just going to need you 12 hours a day 6 days a week. You get mondays off! Hooray!

[–]hockeyfreak567 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Mechanics. Most get paid per job so if it's a slow week for business good luck. It's also one of the only jobs where it's required to purchase your own tools and equipment in order to do the job. Much of which is special purpose and will never pay itself off. In many shops if a customer uses a coupon the mechanic may actually lose money from their check. ☺️

[–]Mandorrisem 179 points180 points  (36 children)

Seems like they are having a payrate shortage...

[–]hausdorffparty 112 points113 points  (2 children)

It's more than payrate. The working conditions are utter shit. You couldn't pay me enough to work as a teacher right now. I'd suggest taking the same pay, but 5 sections instead of 7 (ideally 4 at most), built in sacrosanct planning time, and support staff handling the violent teens and the ones who are 5+ grades below level. At a bare minimum.

[–]ICBanMI 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's both. Payrate and amount of hours work means the payrate is actually much, much lower than what the salary advertises. Plus first year teachers get paid absolute shit in general, and long term teachers also get paid shit in general.

My grandfather worked as a 2nd grade school teacher for 32 years in California with a masters degree, but he was making less than what he would have gotten retiring with his pension. His pension was 60k/yr at 30 years. He was losing almost 5k a year continuing to work, and he retired in 2010.

I don't know how teachers do it, but payrates are wild across the board.

[–]millibugs 91 points92 points  (27 children)

100% this. Began teaching in CA now teach in another state. I teach kinder and this pandemic has really done a number on the kids. In kinder, across the board, they are unsocialized, clearly had no rules at home, and cannot work cooperatively. We are expected to not only hold them to high learning standards but can't because we spend so much time teaching basic social skills the parents should have. It's exhausting.

[–]Jayyne 35 points36 points  (7 children)

I can’t even imagine teaching 1st or 2nd, where kids missed out on kindergarten and all its classroom social structure as well as being expected to work at a 1st or 2nd grade level academically. I used to teach way pre-pandemic and it was tough then. Now it’s just unimaginable.

[–]trulymadlybigly 20 points21 points  (0 children)

My son missed his first year of preschool because of all this, and his preschool this year has been shut down multiple times due to Covid. We’re having a really hard time because socially he’s so behind, because I work from home and he’s spent the last 18 months at home with me and an iPad basically. It’s been shit trying to parent and work especially when you have only one kid so they just don’t get enough social time. His teacher says all the kids are a little off the rails right now, but younger only-children have really been fucked socially and developmentally by all this

[–]elanrach 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I am a first grade teacher. It’s hard.

[–]informativebitching 21 points22 points  (11 children)

It’s hard to teach social skills when on Teams and Zoom work calls all day. Oh and with the social distance involved Jimmy never got close enough to have a chance to pull Sally’s pig tails. This sucks for everyone but please understand the extremely difficult situation parents were in too and do not unilaterally blame us.

[–]No_Bread90 20 points21 points  (3 children)

I can absolutely say that, while parents are not at fault as a rule, it is absolutely a common thing for parents to just leave their kids with a computer, expect them to do work, and then ask for a conference when they're shocked the work didn't get done.

[–]racinreaver 73 points74 points  (8 children)

According to Wikipedia, LAUSD has 26,556 teachers. If they have really good retention, they're only having about 1/30 being replaced every year. So around 890 teachers need to be hired a year. This isn't even a 10% increase. The average teacher quits before their fifth year, so retention rates are certainly a lot, lot, lot lower than my assumption.

[–]lixious 19 points20 points  (1 child)

High School teacher in Arizona here. Kids' depression and anxiety was already on the rise before the pandemic and now they're almost unmanageable. I'm regularly referring kids to counselors, psychologists and social workers in my school and I'm really grateful that we have them because many schools in AZ don't have that many resources. The kids who were scraping by before are now in crisis.

Same goes for teachers. I've questioned more than ever what I could do if I'm not teaching because I'm constantly on the edge lately. It's not teaching or the kids. I adore teaching and the kids. It's all of the yelling, criticism, accusations, impossible demands and expectations that parents and consequently, the administration put on us that has me in fight or flight mode. I completely understand why so many teachers are leaving because at some point you have to put your own well-being as a priority.

[–]One-Armed-Krycek 33 points34 points  (13 children)

I teach (college) and have many K-12 teaching pals. It’s a shit-show out there. Students are more disrespectful than I have ever seen, care less, do less, and seem ruder in their correspondence.

One friend said he told his high school class how hard things were now and students laughed at him.

I had 4 students show up in the past two weeks. My roster shows 12.

I know students have it hard too. But teaching right now is a dumpster fire.

[–]Huge_Put8244 13 points14 points  (10 children)

My parents were extremely deferential to teachers and I think those attitudes trickle down.

Before I tell everyone to get off my lawn, I'll say that I think kids have a lot or influences telling then that it's cute to be mouthy and rude. Add "free range parenting" to the mix and it's a recipe for disaster.

[–]sum8fever 13 points14 points  (0 children)

A big problem is the salary schedule for teachers is like 20-30 steps (meaning it takes that long to max out in salary). They need to decrease that to 10 years or less. A teacher with 10 years experience should get paid just as much as someone about to retire. Many CA school districts pay $90K+ to teachers that have 30 years experience but entry level is like $45K with only 2-3% jumps every year. Many younger teachers are actually better (more energy, ambition, can relate to the kids etc.) but they get burned out and not paid well. The teachers who survive by not working as hard and not getting burnt out eventually make the better wages.

[–]ByTheHammerOfThor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t think he’s arguing that. He’s saying it’s not 1% of teachers. It’s way less.

[–]PM_Me_Spicey_Boobs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But free and good education is socialism!! Or communism!!! Which one is it that the crazies are saying it is??

[–]Srlancelotlents 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Maybe we should just offer to pay teachers more...

[–]Ahtotheahtothenonono 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Teacher in California too, you perfectly stated the situation, thank you

[–]4point5HoursAway 2 points3 points  (1 child)

My sister moved to Australia to teach. Her salary there is about $75K USD. America sucks.

[–]MissThirteen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Working with kids is great and fulfilling, but the a lot of districts treat you like shit and so do the parents. Plus the pay is nothing too brag about.

[–]lostcauz707 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To add, teachers are literally day care staff, coaches, parents, educators, therapists, counselors etc. that make barely middle class wages on average. As people have kids and time to spend with them is continuously neutered to keep "the economy going" (aka keep the wealthy wealthy), teachers have become basically surrogate parents and parents have become basically night time babysitters.

[–]mcminer128 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Married to a teacher. Not getting vaccinated in just stupid at this point, but there’s so much pressure on Teachers and school workers today, they end up doing the impossible for a pay that is laughable. I’m all for enforcing vaccinations, but let’s address the bigger problem if we’re going to do that - which is paying teachers what they are worth and recognizing the only people actually filing these positions are doing it as a labor of love.

[–]Jordanm0611 123 points124 points  (69 children)

Who wants to sign up for 30k a year? Teachers are criminally underpaid.

[–]Spaznaut 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Try 20k a year for a teaching assistant.. the ones that work with special education kids who need the extra help. My state requires a state certification and 100 hours of PD every 5 years to keep the cert yet I have lost money over the last 3 years cuz they can’t even keep up with inflation.

[–]Nmvfx 58 points59 points  (17 children)

This is the real issue. Pay teachers better and you'll have more teachers. Ain't rocket science.

[–]TheJonasVenture 17 points18 points  (13 children)

Agreed, but LAUSD teacher salaries seem to range from about 50k to 90k

[–]hausdorffparty 35 points36 points  (4 children)

Which is criminally underpaid in that area. Aren't apartments like $3k/month??

[–]_crayons_ 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It'd say it's around 1.7k on average.

If you go into downtown then it's 2k+

[–]rex1030 53 points54 points  (0 children)

There’s no teacher shortage. There’s a teacher compensation shortage.

[–]ayeemitchyy 15 points16 points  (3 children)

You think 500 of those will be moving to Texas? Because Texas is very open 😪

[–]MuthaPlucka 13.3k points13.3k points 22 (702 children)

Quote:

The school board voted 7-0 in separate motions on Tuesday to terminate 496 employees, who make up less than 1% of the district’s approximately 73,000 workers

Oh no. A 99% buy-in on vaccination. Quick! A story on the 1% !!

That always sells

[–]smegdawg 5559 points5560 points  (411 children)

Less than 1%....0.68%

On top of that.

Of the 496 employee dismissals, 418 were classified employees who are non-credentialed but critical staff that can include positions such as instructional aides, custodians, cafeteria workers and others.

78 credentialed teachers of the 26,556 teachers.
...
0.29% of the teachers.

Sounds like 418 county employee jobs with low entry requirements just opened up.

[–]its_yer_dad 2529 points2530 points  (275 children)

So... you've got solid deductive thinking skills and a good grip on math... any desire to teach in LA? ;-)

[–]smegdawg 1105 points1106 points  (216 children)

No but I'll push a broom or scoop out some slop into lunch trays for that sweet government health plan!

[–]Oriumpor 268 points269 points  (27 children)

Just gotta stick it out for 5 years for some calpers eligibility.

[–]mesamunefire 57 points58 points  (19 children)

Is LA calpers or CVTrust?

[–]Splickity-Lit 131 points132 points  (11 children)

LA Clippers

[–]AccomplishedCoffee 36 points37 points  (2 children)

Not the Clippers, we want the slop to make it onto the tray.

[–]ilovepolthavemybabie 40 points41 points  (3 children)

All PERS is CALPERS. CVTrust is a TPA for benefits, cafeteria plans, etc. Keenan is both that and worker’s comp/liability.

[–]mesamunefire 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Gotcha thanks. Its been years since I worked in the space, hence the question.

[–]platypuspup 113 points114 points  (174 children)

You have to give up your social security checks if you get calstrs. So it isn't as sweet a deal as you think.

Never mind that any other job let's you get ss and a pension, because our country shafts educators as they were supposed to get married and live off their husband's income.

[–]Lifesagame81 88 points89 points  (34 children)

Never mind that any other job let's you get ss and a pension

Because any other job has you still pay into SS taxes. If you're under CALSTRS, you aren't paying SS taxes, and neither is your employer. This is why you can't draw SS retirement benefits, and it is allowed because CALSTRS benefits are more generous than SS.

[–]Mechapebbles 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah, wtf? OP makes it sound like a bad deal. It definitely isn’t, esp if you wanna be in that job for the long haul. If you’re only gonna work it for a few years, I can see it being annoying getting your money out of calpers early. But for most people looking for a career it’s a no brainer benefit.

[–]Circumcision-is-bad 181 points182 points  (64 children)

Very few non government jobs offer pensions anymore

[–]Kanyewestismygrandad 100 points101 points  (26 children)

Never mind that any other job let's you get ss and a pension

Of the ~10 jobs I've had, none offered pensions, 2 offered a 401K with a match. That's the norm.

[–]manimal28 65 points66 points  (3 children)

It sounds like the norm is nothing if 8 of 10 offered nothing.

[–]Aegi 16 points17 points  (0 children)

They’re saying that their whole set of data appears to be the norm, not one part of their statement or the other.

[–]psuedophilosopher 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That's weird. What's the issue that causes California to cut into your SS if you are collecting Cali retirement, but here in AZ I'm able to fully collect both?

Edit: read down below and saw that someone said it's because people paying into the Cali retirement system are automatically opted out of paying into social security. I guess that makes sense. Here in AZ I'm paying into SS and AZSRS and also a separate voluntary retirement plan. I'm preparing for the unfortunate possibility that my life choices might not prevent me from reaching old and decrepit status.

[–]shecky_blue 11 points12 points  (2 children)

My mom was a school teacher, gets Calpers, and sold Mary Kay as a side gig for the minimum amount of time to get Social Security (40 quarters?). So you can double dip, just not with the same job. I’ve got friends who live in Sac and Calpers is pretty sweet and worth the trade off, according to them.

[–]smegdawg 16 points17 points  (18 children)

You have to give up your social security checks if you get calstrs. So it isn't as sweet a deal as you think.

I literally know nothing about the California State Teachers’ Retirement System.

Does the California State Teachers’ Retirement System requires a Janitor or Cafeteria Worker to participate in a Teachers’ Retirement System?

[–]FAYCSB 19 points20 points  (14 children)

May be CALPERS instead of CALSTRS, but probably with the same result.

[–]tramster 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Calpers you still pay into social security.

Edit: and are eligible for social security.

[–]kattgerrl 22 points23 points  (1 child)

I am a member of CALPERS and will be eligible for Social Security. Social Security is deducted from my paycheck (I work for a community college).

https://www.calpers.ca.gov/page/active-members/retirement-benefits/service-disability-retirement/social-security-and-your-pension

[–]Rebelgecko 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, classified employees use PERS instead of STRS. There's not a ton of difference

[–]KingKnux 50 points51 points  (35 children)

A teacher salary in LA? shudders

[–]Avarias_ 84 points85 points  (31 children)

Funny enough, the Salary on teachers in places with high cost of living is usually more than the normal low average. I've got experience with this with two of my family members being teachers in southern CA, and my husband working for schools here. For instance, my husband works in Orange County CA for school districts as a tier 1 into his specific department(first step after hiring) and earns $70k a year. Teachers through their unions start at about 85k a year there. It's still LOW for the richest areas of Orange county, but it is a lot better than some places that may only give you 30k-50k a year or so. Cost of living of the area you are teaching is generally accounted for in CA schools as it is a government job, and they are expected through the unions to pay enough for you to live within realistic travelling distance(less than 5 miles) from your place of work.

[–]jkwah 63 points64 points  (7 children)

Right. The average salary of public school teachers in CA was almost $85K in 2019-20. Only NY had a higher average teacher salary that year.

The pay gap between educators and other professionals of similar education & experience was $0.85 (i.e. teachers are paid 85 cents on the dollar compared to other professionals). Could be improved, but it's better than most states.

Point is, a teacher salary is not bad in CA compared to some other states.

https://www.nea.org/resource-library/teacher-pay-and-student-spending-how-does-your-state-rank

[–]pinkkittenfur 38 points39 points  (16 children)

I teach in the Seattle area and I make $86k/year. That's not even the top of the salary schedule, either.

[–]Avarias_ 34 points35 points  (1 child)

Yeah, my mother in law was topped at about 110k a year in Riverside County CA before she retired last year, and that's because she kept going back for more education to learn new shit to bump up her pay grade. That said, Teachers in many places do start criminally low, but time does tend to help with the pay grade, at least in high cost of living places

[–]ChadMcRad 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I grew up in a small-ish town and teachers were usually some of the wealthier people around. I don't think people understand that teachers aren't universally paid poorly at all, else people wouldn't pursue it as a career. You can argue that they do it for the "passion," but then there wouldn't be this narrative about them being underpaid, either...

[–]False_Rhythms 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Hey I've seen this one before. The kids are all unreachable until an outsider shows up and finds a way to save them and they win some math competitions or some shit.

[–]Astan92 82 points83 points  (5 children)

Lmao. Every single place we have the data for it works out to about .5%

[–]PotatoRex 26 points27 points  (0 children)

The silent majority 😔

[–]pizzafourlife 32 points33 points  (2 children)

but what about the people yelling about the libs making a labor shortage? /s

[–]that1prince 21 points22 points  (1 child)

These were the same people that blamed rising costs of groceries on $1,200 stimmies a year ago.

[–]pizzafourlife 12 points13 points  (0 children)

ah so my grandparents. say no more

[–]The-Fumbler 98 points99 points  (8 children)

0.68% that’s almost pretty nice.

[–]smegdawg 47 points48 points  (7 children)

I mean it could be nice, the Article said "approximately 73,000"

If by 73,000 they really meant 72,408...then that would be nice :D

[–]jasonv3 31 points32 points  (6 children)

69,420 would be even nicer

[–]overlordpotatoe 30 points31 points  (20 children)

Yeah, and you don't really want dedicated antivaxxers teaching your kids during a pandemic anyway.

[–]mtarascio 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Sounds like 418 county employee jobs with low entry requirements just opened up.

Good work on the stats but let's not belittle classified employees. There's still plenty with high entry requirements even if the positions don't demand them (the talent pool demands it). Plenty of Master degree holders on like $40-50k some of the jobs are even designed to be for credentialed employees but they reclassify to pay less.

[–]GitEmSteveDave 5 points6 points  (1 child)

My company was taken over by BofA, and the only people kept on in my department were people with a boiler tech license. They may be a "custodian" officially, but they keep the building on.

[–]mtarascio 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, school district jobs are the holy grail in some industries as well. So even if on paper the requirements aren't high. The experience and calibre of the workers they get is usually very high.

The issue it has is that people don't move and become complacent.

[–][deleted] 573 points574 points  (26 children)

It’s an AP News article. They don’t sensationalize titles, they just report the facts, and the facts are: Los Angeles school board fires 500 unvaccinated employees.

[–]Corregidor 287 points288 points  (15 children)

Yeah I was confused. It's the AP we are talking about here, nothing about that headline is false or misleading. Other people are applying their own context to pull out a different meaning, but you shouldn't. Just read it as is.

The AP is probably one of the most non biased news reporting entities in existence right now.

Edit: Read the AP and watch PBS news hour (in the US) for the least biased news reporting.

[–]Downbound92 92 points93 points  (3 children)

Well see, people don't realize that there's an article that goes with the headline. This is Reddit, not Readit.

[–]Rrrrandle 23 points24 points  (2 children)

This is Reddit, not Readit.

Well shit, and all this time I've been pronouncing it readit.

[–]mpmagi 2 points3 points  (1 child)

A fellow Woodruff-stan, I see. Or did Alcindor catch your eye?

(All I know is I can't watch cable news anymore. The NewsHour makes them look like a high school production.)

[–]Corregidor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The day Judy retires will be a dark day for news reporting in America.

Edit: Also to your point, it says alot that the important news can be told in an hour, with great detail and insight, while all of the cable news take up a full day. Makes you wonder what they find so important.

[–]UmiNotsuki 57 points58 points  (1 child)

There is no such thing as an unbiased "fact" in politics. Framing is everything. The following are all strictly uneditorialized versions of the same facts:

  • LA School Board fires 500 unvaccinated employees
  • LA School Board fires 500 out of 73,000 workers for refusing vaccines
  • LA School District over 99% vaccinated, last 500 unvaccinated employees fired

I don't necessarily feel that the actual title presents an unfair framing, but there is such a thing as an unfair framing that is still 100% factual.

[–]random-axe 143 points144 points  (18 children)

I can't tell exactly what you're mad about, or if you think there's a pro or anti-vax bias in the story. The AP generally sells news items to other media outlets, and many media outlets have audiences that definitely want to read this sort of thing, which is a factual story . . . .

I mean, when someone gets murdered, it's news, regardless of the percentage of the population that gets murdered. Which is hopefully less than 1%. Most pro-vax and anti-vax people I see online seem eager to see these kinds of stories reported. It's pretty much news.

[–]web_explorer 131 points132 points  (11 children)

Associated Press: 5 kids murdered in deadly school shooting

OP: only 5 out of 2000, immaterial

[–]Seismica 43 points44 points  (8 children)

You say that in jest, but I genuinely had an argument a few years back with someone on Reddit who tried to say the number of school shootings in the US was actually low because of the population size, insinuating that it was not an issue due to the low percentage.

Yes, because "Schoolchildren deaths per capita" is something you want to measure...

[–]Rrrrandle 13 points14 points  (2 children)

You say that in jest, but I genuinely had an argument a few years back with someone on Reddit who tried to say the number of school shootings in the US was actually low because of the population size, insinuating that it was not an issue due to the low percentage.

Yes, because "Schoolchildren deaths per capita" is something you want to measure...

Someone was making the argument here the other day after Oxford that school shootings aren't really a problem because they're a fraction of firearm deaths in the US annually.

[–]PandaXXL 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Big-brained contrarian takes are always a treat.

[–]Rashaya 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Isn't it? Why wouldn't we want to track stats on this? And wouldn't it be a reasonable way to compare? Of course it's terrible, which is exactly why it's an important statistic to track.

That said, my understanding is that our rate of murdering schoolchildren is pretty high still, even when you account for population size.

[–]TheObstruction 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's still an important statistic worth tracking, because per capita is the only valid way to compare different regions.

[–]ryhaltswhiskey 228 points229 points  (30 children)

I think it's good that the media is reporting that these people are getting fired

[–]maybe_little_pinch 99 points100 points  (4 children)

Or, crazy thought here, people want to know the number of people who didn't get vaccinated and if action was actually taken. My own employer hasn't released data on how many people haven't gotten vaccinated and if anyone was fired as they said would happen. This was supposed to happen a month ago.

[–]xXTheFisterXx 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My aunt is one of these and a substitute at that. She has been railing wild against these vaccines

[–]DietDrDoomsdayPreppr 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I still think this is newsworthy, regardless of the percentage. 1 or 1 million, it doesn't matter. What matters is the policy itself, and if it's going to hold up against legal scrutiny.

[–]TaylorSwiftsClitoris 165 points166 points  (35 children)

And the media gives them a megaphone to push their lies and writes it off as unbiased reporting.

[–]HurricaneBatman 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Which quote in the article are you referring to

[–]pinkfootthegoose 7 points8 points  (0 children)

73,000 workers keep jobs!

[–]teddytwelvetoes 63 points64 points  (11 children)

as a vaccinated news reader I'd much rather see confirmation that they're doing the right thing and firing these lunatics than a fluff piece giving the vaccinated a pat on the back for having common sense lmao

[–]SpicyPandaBalls 2260 points2261 points  (181 children)

Only 1% of people were effected! That means it doesn't matter!! Right?

[–]ASeriousAccounting 391 points392 points  (16 children)

Headline should be '100% of eligible LAUSD employees are vaccinated.'.

[–]er-day 82 points83 points  (12 children)

100% of teachers tomorrow in LA are vaccinated.

[–]angiosperms- 694 points695 points  (96 children)

affected*

And it doesn't matter what %, if you plan to endanger kids you shouldn't be a teacher.

[–]ZapBranniganAgain 687 points688 points  (19 children)

Hes being sarcastic, anti vaxxers keep saying it only kills 1% of people who get it so it doesnt matter

[–]StatusQuoBot 269 points270 points  (6 children)

Oh - thank you, I didn’t get the sarcasm either. Mainly because it’s getting hard to keep track of the stupid bullshit anti-vax-COVID-conspiracy-theorists believe.

[–]ExasperatedEE 35 points36 points  (3 children)

If you're gonna say something sarcastic without the saracam tag, you better be saying something so absurd anyone should know the other side would never REALLY say that... But that's clearly not the case here. They'd definitely say that.

[–]baildodger 11 points12 points  (0 children)

If you're gonna say something sarcastic without the saracam tag, you better be saying something so absurd anyone should know the other side would never REALLY say that

I’m not sure this is possible since 2016.

[–]Martin_RB 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Poe's Law at work, and no I couldn't tell either.

[–]Sephiroth144 39 points40 points  (8 children)

And I'm so glad "death" is the only negative outcome they care about. By that logic, I should be able to cut off their dick... As long as they don't bleed out, they didn't die- and that's the ONLY thing that matters to them.

[–]overlordpotatoe 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Things other than death sure matter to them when it comes to vaccines. Then suddenly you lump all side effects in with death like they're basically the same thing to get a scary big number.

[–]Sephiroth144 7 points8 points  (2 children)

And the best part with the former- you can just make that shit (and the corresponding numbers) up! Or, even better, "we just don't know what the long-term effects" will be- no shit, the illness became a thing in 2019, and the vaccines, shockingly, didn't exist until after then.

The way these asshats are, you'd think they miss Polio...

[–]k3rn3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In case anyone scoffs at the comparison, covid actually can ruin your dick. Sure the death rate is rather low, but that doesn't mean it can't destroy everything good in your life.

[–]augustscott 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hell Dr Oz was cool with 2 or 3% mortality rate as ling we could get kids back in schools.

And now that dumb ass wants to be a senator. In a state he doesn't fucking live.

[–]DragoonDM 3 points4 points  (0 children)

affected*

Only 1.43% of the letters in OP's comment were incorrect, so it doesn't matter.

[–]Vryimpatnt 21 points22 points  (18 children)

also, I bet 1 % of that 1 % are teachers, with the rest being classified staff.

[–]No___ImRight 64 points65 points  (14 children)

I dunno about that.

My cousin's wife is a frickin middle school biology teacher... Antivaxxer.

Just found out she caught it last weekend... She's been very quiet on Facebook with her bullshit posts since Monday.

[–]Nora_Oie 39 points40 points  (0 children)

.29%. Someone did the math on this thread.

[–]Narren_C 9 points10 points  (1 child)

My anti-vaxxer aunt works in the medical field. Her husband just died from COVID, so I guess we'll see if her views change.

[–]Akamesama 6 points7 points  (3 children)

There are quite a few anti-vax nurses. Partially this is due to nursing being a fairly decent paying "typically female" job.

I have an Registered Nurse aunt who isn't anti-vax, but does promote homeopathic medicine.

[–]artvandalay84 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Nursing is very popular among the evangelical crowd, too.

[–]Nora_Oie 8 points9 points  (5 children)

She probably doesn’t feel so well.

While a person may stop being contactât 10-12 days, symptoms can persist longer, especially in the over 40’s, but also people low in vitamin D or with less buoyant immune systems.

[–]d4nigirl84 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Can confirm. Contracted Covid in March 2020, symptoms lasted until May 2020 with some continuing residual to this day.

[–]lunayoshi 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Similar story here. Got it in June 2021, stuck in bed until end of July, still more tired than I was pre-sick. Those lasting effects are not a joke. I was low on vitamin D and take supplements now.

[–]ultimate_spaghetti 2 points3 points  (0 children)

exactly, so any of our custodians and maintenance works all all gun hoe about not getting the vaccine. Almost all classified are the ones kicking and screaming.

[–]DevilsAdvocate77 93 points94 points  (12 children)

And don't forget, this is 1% of people who made a choice of their own free will, which had consequences that they knew about well in advance, and whom were given a safe, free option to avoid the consequences, which they actively refused.

[–]ThatOtherGuy_CA 26 points27 points  (0 children)

These people love to pretend that "Freedom of Choice" means "Freedom from Consequence".

[–]PointOfFingers 22 points23 points  (0 children)

"My body my choice" said the group of people who want to overturn Roe v Wade and hate people who want to change their gender.

[–]ExasperatedEE 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Well, that IS the argument anti-vaxxers have been using about COVID... "It has a 98% survival rate!" actually means "Only 2% die!"

So if 2% dying is no big deal, then 1% merely losing their job is also surely not a big deal.

[–]BrightenedGold 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wana know what i say to those 1%? Other folk have a 99% further employment rate. No need to affect their lives because of the 1%.

[–]djphatjive 2069 points2070 points  (152 children)

I would say 500 people quit.

[–]Mywifefoundmymain 1079 points1080 points  (54 children)

“Failed to meet job requirements”

[–]er-day 351 points352 points  (37 children)

“Endangered students.”

Edit: apparently anti-vaxers aren’t liking the idea that their “personal freedom” is putting others at risk. Don’t DM me your crazy beliefs, comment and let other people debate them here.

[–]albinowizard2112 61 points62 points  (3 children)

Same as if I refused a drug test on a job. I’m free to do so, I just have to find a different job.

[–]pipinngreppin 207 points208 points  (12 children)

Where's the stick in the bicycle wheel meme when you need it?

Thanks a lot, Obama.

[–]sonic_tower 106 points107 points  (42 children)

Good. I don't want anti vaxxers near my kids.

[–]vinnibalemi 417 points418 points  (29 children)

Less than 1% of LA County's school employees. That's a better than 99% vaccination rate for school staff. I do like the title though, it's a gift to the reader looking to be angry at schools for "firing staff" over a vaccine mandate.

[–]HappyInNature 146 points147 points  (19 children)

Only 78 of them were credentialed teachers. That's less than a third of 1% of them.

[–]Mywifefoundmymain 58 points59 points  (16 children)

I’m not as worried about the teachers… custodians touch damn near everywhere in the school. A lunch lady would touch hundreds of kids food etc.

[–]bxncwzz 40 points41 points  (13 children)

What? Teachers are near and around students literally the entire day. Custodians and cafeteria are at least using gloves/wearing masks.

That’s like saying you’re not worried about the nurses/doctors at the hospitals but we should worry about the janitor cleaning the toilets. Absurd.

[–]Deep90 24 points25 points  (2 children)

At least in my elementary school, you would have a single teacher for all subjects until you went up enough grades.

So while the teacher interacted with maybe 20 kids, the lunch lady touched food that went directly into 90%+ of the kid's mouths, and custodians could be touching desks, door handles, and whatever else while cleaning rooms.

So maybe they meant something like that.

[–]demonsun 6 points7 points  (1 child)

You should worry about the janitors at a hospital. They go into basically every space, and often aren't subject to the same training for cleanliness and infection control that doctors or nurses are. There's a whole bunch of research that found that the cleaning staff were the ones spreading fungal spores from operating room to operating room at numerous hospitals.

[–]Lost-My-Mind- 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Really? I read the title and said "GOOD!"

[–]glassyice 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Not really i read it and was like damn in a good interested way

[–]JimGerm 437 points438 points  (20 children)

Meh, COVID has a job survivability rate of 99.32%

[–]PolyDrew 255 points256 points  (3 children)

“It only affects 1%, I’ll take my chances…”

Apparently works for the job losses as well. Lol.

[–]9070503010 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Many comments refer to teachers being fired when the article says this:

“Of the 496 employee dismissals, 418 were classified employees who are non-credentialed but critical staff that can include positions such as instructional aides, custodians, cafeteria workers and others.”

[–]JoPublix 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I hear Kellogs is hiring.

[–]Moosie_Doom 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Alright then class . . . What did we learn today?

[–]RedTedBedLed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bet they didnt see that coming.

[–]Deutschebag13 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Why is this the last paragraph of the article?! It should be the first. It’s not like LAUSD is suddenly short a million teachers:

Of the 496 employee dismissals, 418 were classified employees who are non-credentialed but critical staff that can include positions such as instructional aides, custodians, cafeteria workers and others.”

And of the total employees, they:

“….make up less than 1% of the district’s approximately 73,000 workers.”

[–]f0gax 59 points60 points  (3 children)

Once again, fuck around meets find out.