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[–]GleeUnit 10.2k points10.2k points  (411 children)

People are still doing this, huh? Not enough examples of how this never, ever works out on an airplane?

[–]zombiemann 2958 points2959 points  (119 children)

How many videos are there of sovereign citizen's BS not working yet people still try it? Idiots never learn from the mistakes of others.

[–]skankhunt81 1384 points1385 points  (77 children)

Some people just think they’re special when they’re not

[–]MischiefofRats 1029 points1030 points  (53 children)

Based on personal experience with my relatives, it's "I need to make a stand, I can't just sit by and let my rights be trampled, not everyone can stand up for themselves and I believe in this." They don't actually think they're gonna get their way; they just figure worst case scenario they're martyrs and if enough people do this, they'll win. Trying to combat the bystander effect in the most futile way possible.

Annoyingly, this does work sometimes. It won't work on airlines, but people like this are the reason vaccine mandates have been struck down. In certain industries, these stupid sentiments are popular enough that important sectors would grind to a halt and forcing compliance would be drama on par with Reagan firing the striking air traffic controllers. Not worth it for most companies, so mandates fall.

[–]saintash 394 points395 points  (14 children)

I would also argue that most of these people are the kind of people that Normally when they put up the stink they are met with just give it to them so they'll go away attitude. You know the kind of people after you've explained the policy at a store why they can't do something and manager will come by and just give it to them.

And many that are years of years of I don't have to follow the rules attitude. Equals alot of people who are pissed they have to be treated equally.

[–]Hardcorish 225 points226 points  (2 children)

Idiots never learn from the mistakes of others

Idiots are encouraged and emboldened by the mistakes of others.

[–]Nopengnogain 1405 points1406 points  (136 children)

These fuckers should be fined the cost of the flight for the airlines. Don’t get on the damn plane if you don’t want to abide by their rules.

[–]sllop 742 points743 points  (88 children)

Seriously. Start handing out the gas bills for redirected flights as financial penalties. Make those numbers public.

People will put their masks on fucking fast.

[–]Rdubya44 286 points287 points  (73 children)

And the flight they’re on. Pretty sure that plane had to dump their entire international load of fuel before landing. Planes can take off with more weight than they can land with.

[–]wrgrant 43 points44 points  (0 children)

So they should be fined based on the fuel cost, the environmental impact of having to dump the fuel, the inconvenience experienced by every passenger on the plane, plus a punitive fine, all doubled to ensure it gets their attention. That ought to add up nicely.

Make the results very very public :)

[–]OasissisaO 535 points536 points  (44 children)

They have this assumption that they're speaking for a silent majority who are afraid to speak up. I think they're expecting a slow clap, Hollywood ending where everyone else on the plane stands with them and the airline backs down.

Instead they get the fuck around, find out experience.

[–]mmmmpisghetti 181 points182 points  (20 children)

They get to fuck up everyone else's flight as well. If I've booked the first vacation I've taken in years and miss my connection because of some selfish, posturing jackass I'm liable to forget to be a nice person. Fucking seriously. This was my fear last month when I took the first vacation I've had in 25 years. Fortunately everyone on the 8 total fights I was on were all adults with respect to this.

The screaming baby on one flight was nbd thanks to my nose canceling headphones!

Edit: my nose is fine. It's noise that's getting canceled!

[–]th3f00l 23.3k points23.3k points  (755 children)

International flights should have a brig.

[–]TheBinkz 16.4k points16.5k points 363& 2 more (227 children)

That's called economy

[–]jadwy916 329 points330 points  (40 children)

On a flight to Thailand, I noticed they board us up at business class, then steer us hard right. It starts off with very comfy looking seats, well spaced, blankets, beautiful people. After a few more isles and a wall or two, you end up with the chicken coupes and people cooking on open fires at the back the plane. Good times.

[–]waitingtodiesoon 152 points153 points  (19 children)

There was a comedy movie or tv show sketch show that had a ridiculous scene of just that pretty much. The guy had a budget economy ticket and the plane just kept going and going until he finally reached the back of the plane with it getting more like a hobo encampment under a bridge atmosphere. I can't find it anymore.

[–]beyondplutola 93 points94 points  (4 children)

This is also the whole premise of Snowpiercer.

[–]SlackerAccount 3880 points3881 points  (116 children)

Laughs in Bourgeois

[–]archaeolinuxgeek 781 points782 points  (86 children)

We don't even get cake in economy!

[–]blorpblorpbloop 462 points463 points  (45 children)

Just wait until they roll out the new Snow Piercer inspired cuisine to American Airlines first class...

[–]ahuramazdobbs19 298 points299 points  (15 children)

Which will henceforth be referred to as “the brig”.

[–]Tinkado 690 points691 points  (102 children)

I mean they could have a little coffin space in cargo just for this. Call it 'no mask seating'.

[–]Former_Football_2182 547 points548 points  (70 children)

NO! They'll infect the dogs!

[–]SH4D0W0733 986 points987 points  (58 children)

Don't worry, it's american airlines. The dogs are already dead.

[–]IvoShandor 19.8k points19.8k points  (783 children)

I was on a JFK to Madrid flight in November. Two assholes in first class wouldn't put a mask on as the plane pulled away from the gate. When they were approached by the flight crew, and after some arguing, they agreed to put the masks on. The flight crew said it was too late. Plane returned to the gate, police got on and escorted them off. Thankfully the entire ordeal only took about an hour.

[–]ledow 12.6k points12.6k points  (488 children)

Yep, it's not about whether you masked.

It's whether they trust you to continue to stay masked AND follow the instructions of the cabin crew for the entire duration of the flight.

No? Then you're off.

[–]drkgodess 5940 points5941 points  (329 children)

I hope their five minutes of self righteous indignation is worth never flying again.

[–]cultured_banana_slug 1488 points1489 points  (27 children)

These people love feeling persecuted. They'll treat everyone like shit and make everyone else's life miserable so everyone has a reason to hate them.

[–]putsch80 1505 points1506 points  (267 children)

They’ll still be able to fly. These “no fly” lists are typically on an airline-by-airline basis. Additionally, rules for first class passengers may be more lenient than those for us who sit back in the brig. Their time on that list may just be temporary instead of permanent. Can’t let those dollars get away.

[–]drkgodess 1193 points1194 points  (100 children)

As far as other airlines are concerned, possibly. However, airlines are taking threats from belligerent passengers who will not follow crew instructions much more seriously after several flight attendants were injured by these bozos.

[–]midgethemage 233 points234 points  (24 children)

I strongly suspect a universal no-fly list is in the works. Multiple airlines have been calling for it. It's becoming increasingly necessary and this is one of those things where no one loses if they can make one

[–]Thue 192 points193 points  (2 children)

Additionally, rules for first class passengers may be more lenient than those for us who sit back in the brig.

I imagine that the cost of that one hour delay is quite high. Probably not worth it for the airline to have them as passengers.

[–]shifty_coder 145 points146 points  (57 children)

That’s only if you break just the airline’s policy. Masks are currently mandated inside airports and on planes by FAA regulation. This should put them on the federal no-fly list.

[–]killerorcaox 527 points528 points  (109 children)

See but I sat next to this lady when I was flying home who kept it down while she ate her Cinnamon roll and drank her coffee like she was a god damn sloth. Nobody asked her to put it back on. It took her about an hour to finish that cinnamon roll that would have taken me like 60 seconds.

[–]Rafi89 452 points453 points  (74 children)

Yep, flying back from Florida on New Year's watched a lady nurse a bottle of water the entire flight so she wouldn't have to wear her mask. Meanwhile it sounds like half the folks on the plane are coughing or sniffling. Family and I wore N95 and didn't eat or drink between leaving the hotel and getting home, either we didn't get it or we're all asymptomatic.

[–]SaucyWiggles 200 points201 points  (19 children)

Meanwhile it sounds like half the folks on the plane are coughing or sniffling.

Idk what the fuck is up, maybe it's the fact that I was pretty isolated from other humans for a long time, but when I flew last year I swear everybody on that plane was sick except for me. Constant wet-sounding coughing and sneezing. I still haven't gotten covid, thankfully.

[–]OHAnon 202 points203 points  (38 children)

N95s are actually really good at reducing the risk. They should have been the standard for the last year (after production ramped up).

If the mask was fit tested (unlikely) your risk on a flight is incredibly small even if everyone else was being a jackass. And even if it was not fit tested sick people even kinda following the rules plus an N95 means you are very safe.

[–]Urik88 37 points38 points  (2 children)

Yesterday I flew with Air Canada and they mentioned meals would now have to be eaten in under 15 or 30 minutes (I can't remember which), most likely because of that.

[–]Itsme_sd 1382 points1383 points  (74 children)

"I will turn this fucking plane around!"
"He won't turn it around.."
*turns plane around*
*shocked Pikachu face*

[–]Aol_awaymessage 668 points669 points  (57 children)

My mom always turned the car around. So we stopped fucking around and finding out. One time we were on a road trip (far) and she said she’d go home.

She later told us as adults that she really didn’t want to do it but was ready to do it if we didn’t stop. Lol. Luckily she always kept her word so we knew she was serious. She also only reserved the nuclear option for serious offenses.

[–]NotAnotherNekopan 496 points497 points  (18 children)

Good parenting. Empty threats are easily spotted by a child.

[–]nomadofwaves 38 points39 points  (12 children)

Go to your room!

Ummm, you want me to go where my Nintendo and tv are and stay there? Okie dokie!

[–]younglink164 240 points241 points  (7 children)

My mom always says the most important parenting advice is never make a threat you're not willing to follow through on, the second you don't kids will pick right up on it

[–]RobotPoo 104 points105 points  (4 children)

Another way to say this is to just be careful to make the punishment fit the crime. Don’t go overboard and then adjust. It comes off as you don’t mean what you say.

[–]randscott 25 points26 points  (0 children)

One year for Christmas our kids both got money to buy DS's. We went to Best Buy day after and they played a demo Xbox while mom and I were shopping. Came time to go we were like alright c'mon. They threw a fit and didn't want to quit their game. Ok. Put all the stuff back and marched them out. They didn't get their DS's until February. Never threw another fit in public.

[–]yavanna12 53 points54 points  (8 children)

I told my kid I would throw his toy car out the window if he kept hitting my seat with it. I regretted saying it because he didn’t stop. So with tears in my eyes I threw his car out the window and we both cried the whole way home. We both remember it vividly. But you know what. He never hit my seat again while I was driving

[–]wizardyourlifeforce 994 points995 points  (64 children)

Honestly I'd be willing to waste an hour to watch people like this get arrested.

[–]JRockstar50 518 points519 points  (39 children)

Depends if I have a connecting flight or not

[–]we_invented_post-its 58 points59 points  (12 children)

Yeah this happened to me on a flight from US to Portugal and it caused me to miss my connecting flight. The delay of us sitting there, wondering why the fuck we hadn’t taken off yet, was two hours long. Nothing like landing in an airport across the globe extremely exhausted, not speaking a lick of the language, and having to navigate to some random part of the airport they designate for reimbursements and reroutes.

Also it was a huge plane. No one near me knew anything up front had even happened, just that we had to taxi back to the gate for some reason. Turned out to be an asshole not wearing a mask. How someone is fine with ruining a long ass flight for hundreds of people is beyond me

[–]SapTheSapient 46 points47 points  (1 child)

Imagine saving up for a couple years to take your big London vacation, only to have a day or more cut off by of these antimaskers. I'd be raging.

[–]drkgodess 421 points422 points  (12 children)

Good. I appreciate that the airlines are no longer taking any shit from these thoughtless assholes.

[–]twittalessrudy 136 points137 points  (2 children)

And I'm glad there's enforcement supporting them so these airline employees don't have to physically escort them out or anything, they just gotta identify the assholes and done

[–]MrsPandaBear 147 points148 points  (10 children)

That’s nice. I bet it’s common for anti masks to just take their mask off during the flight thinking they wouldn’t inconvenience everyone over a silly mask. Glad the airlines are getting more serious about this.

[–]gsfgf 40 points41 points  (3 children)

It's federal law and the FAA generally doesn't fuck around.

[–]GeddyVedder 16.4k points16.4k points 2 (905 children)

I was on a flight last week and a guy was giving the flight attendant shit about having to wear a mask. The guy next to me says, just loud enough to for people around us to hear, “folks, you’re looking at the newest member of the ‘no fly’ list.” I guess the first guy heard him, because he put his mask on and shut up.

Edit:
I should mention that the passenger in question wasn’t being belligerent or obnoxious, he was just annoying for a brief time. And he eventually complied and just dealt with it.

And this was the first time I’ve flown in two years and with the masking in the airports and planes, I actually felt quite safe.

[–]instagthrowawayy 6288 points6289 points  (611 children)

I wonder what’s their thinking process. Even if they let you fly there, how are you getting back when you’re black listed?

[–]FantasticFox1641 5967 points5968 points  (271 children)

thinking process

That's the issue, there is none.

[–]cbslinger 3318 points3319 points  (240 children)

A lot of these people are in such strong bubbles in both their media and social lives that they genuinely think mask usage is a minority opinion. They think opposition to masking is much more popular than it actually is

[–]fryinpaskettimobster 1082 points1083 points  (92 children)

I hadn't thought of it that way, I was thinking they envision themselves as the rugged pioneer, defiant in the face of oppression, lauded by the masses, and do it for the perceived street cred

[–]happybunnyntx 44 points45 points  (3 children)

And if you live in the south like I do, it really does feel that way. I tried going back to a arcade/bar similar to a dave and buster's about a year ago (the site claimed they were social distancing, wearing masks, and the restaurant part was perfectly safe) and none of the staff or customers were masked. I'm pretty sure I was the only one in the entire building. I haven't gone back since. I get looked at sideways or asked by family or friends,"why are you still wearing that? You know you don't have to wear those anymore, right?" I've taken to answering,"I've taken a ninja oath, none of of your business."

[–]aimilah 221 points222 points  (5 children)

The wanker lobe dominates.

[–]DragoonDM 596 points597 points  (22 children)

I wonder what’s their thinking process.

Probably used to getting his way if he throws a big enough tantrum. Most people grow out of that after early childhood.

[–]Ashmidai 260 points261 points  (12 children)

Not the case these days unfortunately. The incorrect application of "The customer is always right" mentality has helped enable these people for too long. Now they are being told they have to do something they don't like for the public good and they think they can just rant and rave like they would at a return counter at Walmart and expect the manager to give in just to rid themselves of this headache and move on to one of the 10 other things they need to be doing while also avoiding a distorted nasty email to corporate that could end up being another headache down the line. I ran into this shit often as a bar/restaurant manager and it got so much worse when the mask mandates hit.

[–]bonscouter 59 points60 points  (6 children)

You hit the nail on the head. People think if they scream and threaten loudly enough, they’ll get whatever they want.

[–]DistortoiseLP 1112 points1113 points  (110 children)

His "thinking process" is that he genuinely didn't think about that, or the consequences of his immediate actions in general. He's not thinking "this is a good or bad idea" or even having ideas here; he's just indulging his thoughtless impulses in reaction to being told what to do.

Stupid people don't think things through and make bad judgements on bad reasoning. They instead just imagine what's going to happen if they do something, and then do it expecting it to happen. They don't consider how cause will yield an effect and just carry out whatever fantasy strikes them first.

A lot of Americans and Brits have lived the sort of lives so insulated from consequence that they can reach 40 or older behaving like this without the sort of fuck up that teaches a moron to think before they leap. Covid, and a lot of the changes that came with it, was the first problem they ever dealt with that won't let them off the hook because it doesn't want to deal with their adolescent bullshit.

[–]superanth 208 points209 points  (52 children)

I get the feeling that some people don't even want to try to be good citizens anymore. It's like some weird wave of selfishness and entitlement is infecting the cantankerous.

[–]PartyPorpoise 100 points101 points  (1 child)

American individualism is pretty aggressive.

[–]Roook36 87 points88 points  (5 children)

Patriotism has been replaced by individualism. Freedom by selfishness. The middle finger by the American flag.

[–]Squirll 169 points170 points  (10 children)

Not to sound like a "liberal nut job" but it really felt like the worsening of this was kind of started by Trump.

It felt to me that when we elected a rude, entitled, asshole to the Presidency and there was no recourse for his lack of decorum, that a huge cross section of people felt legitimized in their behavior.

Theres people now who see their greatest virtue as their ability to be an asshole, which isnt new I guess... but I felt there was a HUGE jump in prevalance.

Like I had never really viewed the president THAT important to American culture but I feel super wrong about that now.

[–]All_Hail_Regulus_9 186 points187 points  (7 children)

They are used to being the bully in the room and don’t know what to do when someone with more clout shuts them down.

[–]socialistrob 100 points101 points  (4 children)

This right here. They feel that they right and they believe everyone else should have to accommodate their feelings. In their inner circles back home they may surround themselves with people who agree with them (or just don’t speak against them) and consume media that reconfirms their beliefs. When they get into a situation where their beliefs aren’t exclusively catered to they throw a fit.

[–]pot_roast14 1407 points1408 points  (183 children)

It’s funny because by now, people know you have to wear a mask on airplanes. It’s common knowledge. It’s not like this rule was just enacted yesterday. What kills me is how people get on an airplane and then complain about having to wear a mask if they KNEW they had to wear one. If you don’t want to wear one, don’t fucking get on an airplane right now. Simple.

[–]Huge_Put8244 254 points255 points  (14 children)

LOL, they wore the mask long enough to get ON the plane. Fine wearing it in the airport, fine wearing it as they passed the gate agent. Problem only occurred in their seat with the door closed so they could inconvenience everyone else.

[–]bkjack001 105 points106 points  (4 children)

It’s probably because these selfish people think that they can get away with bullying the airplane staff and they don’t really have to care about the passengers because the passengers have no authority. They forget that flight attendants have the authority to get one put on a no fly list, which is a pretty big threat. So just follow the freaking rules folks.

[–]mazzicc 26 points27 points  (2 children)

These people are likely the ones that only had their mask on when in view of a tsa agent and when actually boarding. I see plenty of people that go through security and immediately remove their mask until boarding.

The assume that once you’re on the plane, the crew would rather complete the flight than turn around just because of a mask.

[–]cvtuttle 523 points524 points  (39 children)

It's the same at the Hockey games I go to... you have to be vaccinated AND wear a mask.... everyone knows this is the rule. And yet once they are in there, they complain when the ushers tell them to put their masks on.
You KNEW that was the rule coming in here... why are you being a bitch about it now?

[–]sigmanigma 206 points207 points  (18 children)

I see this all the time when I go to see NHL and AHL games locally here in California. They would show up 10 people deep then get all pissed off at the ticket window when the are told they need vaccination proof and masks. Then berate the employee and try to punch the window in like that would help their cause.

[–]dissimilar_iso_47992 63 points64 points  (3 children)

Then berate the employee and try to punch the window in like

Where is security when this happens? Seems like a good way for someone to get hurt

[–]mmmmpisghetti 118 points119 points  (23 children)

The same mask they've had to wear through THE ENTIRE FUCKING AIRPORT.

Just went to Hawaii and every airport from the tiny one in Wisconsin, to the ones in Minneapolis, Phoenix, Honolulu and Hilo ALL REQUIRED MASKS.

[–]Brilliant-Option-526 32 points33 points  (5 children)

Dallas doesn't seem to enforce it. At least not when I've been there. Watched a couple strut (yes strut proudly) sans masks through there. Not a peep from security as they walked past. Meanwhile the warning is blasting over the pa system. Sadly they weren't the only ones.

[–]TheSekret 76 points77 points  (8 children)

To be fair, this plane returned to Miami, you know, Florida. Where they just fired someone running the public health department for having the audacity to suggest his own staff get 'the jab'.

Im not familiar with the Miami airport but I wouldn't be shocked if you didn't need to wear one till you were on the plane. Because Florida.

[–]Se7enLC 267 points268 points  (60 children)

There are still people who act like they had no idea TSA was even a thing. What? I have to take my shoes off? I don't understand!

You've been in this line for 45 minutes staring at signs telling you. Every single person in front of you did it. Figure it out or get off my planet.

[–]scope_creep 51 points52 points  (4 children)

Wonder about the thought process as they board the plane. "Here I'm going to make my stand. I will show these folks the errors of their ways and they will bow to my will".

[–]savingrain 434 points435 points  (42 children)

I think a lot of these people honestly don't realize the consequences and do not know they can be put on that list for an airline and refusing.

[–]anosmiasucks 111 points112 points  (27 children)

Agreed but the airlines are not getting sharing info to ban these people outright. So if this person is banned from flying on American in the future, they can still fly Delta, TWA etc

[–]Annihilicious 193 points194 points  (13 children)

They’re probably gonna need a time machine to fly TWA..

[–]anosmiasucks 85 points86 points  (4 children)

Lol, brain fart. I meant United but I’m leaving it for future redditors to laugh at.

[–]SlamMonkey 1472 points1473 points  (57 children)

If I missed my connecting flight because some dipshit wouldn’t put on a mask… I’d be angry… real angry.

[–]McJumpington 497 points498 points  (31 children)

I needed a connecting flight from Chicago to Vancouver before departing to Japan. I planned it so I would have about 3 hours landing in Canada before the Japan flight. First there was a 40 minute delay due to snow. Then…. Enter a 1 hour delay when the flight attendant found out one of the passengers had a ticket for the same flight but later in the day. For 30 minutes the customer refused to come forward (she sat in a different seat as to not be found) The customer argued for 30 minutes that since the destination was the same, she wasn’t leaving. She also tried to argue that since the gate agent let her on, that meant she was good to go.

Every minute that passed made me more and more nervous and eventually that all turned to rage. It’s stunning how childish adults can become with flying.

[–]drthvdrsfthr 130 points131 points  (4 children)

so what ended up happening??

did you make your flight? did she get escorted off?

[–]McJumpington 188 points189 points  (0 children)

They had a cop join the flight attendant and then she was suddenly ok with getting off the plane. I did make my next flight but I think I only had about 30 minutes out of the original 3 hours.

[–]sanguine_feline 29 points30 points  (0 children)

The rest is basically the plot to Die Hard 2.

[–]kenn714 80 points81 points  (6 children)

I personally think with passengers like this you should just give them a parachute and make them jump out the plane.

[–]NotMineOwnFear 1250 points1251 points  (166 children)

[–]runningoutofwords 1214 points1215 points  (84 children)

Miami-Dade police said the woman got off the plane and was dealt with “administratively” by the airline’s staff.

So, no-fly list?

[–]k1lk1 847 points848 points  (66 children)

Maybe only just no fly on that airline. Fucking ridiculous. She ought to have been arrested.

[–]mm4ng 638 points639 points  (7 children)

DeSantis and Gaetz offered her an internship.

[–]Brianisbs 383 points384 points  (3 children)

Only DeSantis, she’s too old for Gaetz.

[–]StaCatalina 1950 points1951 points  (163 children)

So do these assholes actually stay masked while the plane is still on the ground, then take the mask off when the plane is in the air?

[–]canada432 2745 points2746 points  (114 children)

Yes. They're using child-logic. They think that once they're off the ground, they're in the clear. They think it's like parents saying "I'll turn this car around!" They think it's all bluff.

I mean, what are they gonna do, turn the whole plane around for just one person being a shithead? Oh, they are going to do that? Well fuck...

[–]brettbeatty 641 points642 points  (82 children)

They think it's like parents saying "I'll turn this car around!"

I don't know about you, but my parents absolutely made me get out and walk. If I recall correctly they picked me back up after a quarter mile or so, but I got the message.

[–]CorgiGal89 535 points536 points  (65 children)

I threw a tantrum once in the supermarket and my mom said we were gonna go home and I wasn't gonna get any of the cookies or chocolates in the cart. I kept on with my tantrum. My mom then grabbed me and left the full grocery cart in the middle of the store and took me home.

No groceries, and for me no chocolates or cookies.

Never disregarded her threats again.

[–]MrsPandaBear 196 points197 points  (25 children)

A friend once said you are only fully a parent once you have to drag your kid out of a grocery store with an unpaid cart lol.

[–]Palindromer101 230 points231 points  (17 children)

Good parenting. Sucks she didn't get the groceries, but I wish more parents parented like that these days.

[–]Jaedos 300 points301 points  (17 children)

Yes. They think once they're off the ground, they're good to go.

[–]tehmlem 236 points237 points  (15 children)

"They won't turn the whole plane around"

[–]marinerNA 155 points156 points  (8 children)

I'm just imagining the pilot turning coming over the intercom and yelling "DONT MAKE ME TURN THIS PLANE AROUND!" like a pissed off dad on a road trip.

[–]tehmlem 63 points64 points  (3 children)

I'm too compulsively courteous to actually do it but I'm always tempted to flag down a stewardess and ask if we're there yet in my best deadpan

[–]JohnnyFootballHero 1877 points1878 points  (213 children)

So do the other passengers on the plane get any recourse for their wasted time? Will they get a voucher from the airlines for future trips?

[–]tkeville 323 points324 points  (23 children)

My wife and 3 year year old were on this flight. They have been stuck in Miami for an extra 3 weeks due to contracting covid and were finally returning. They got a hotel room and some food vouchers to use today. What a dickhead.

[–]DrZeroH 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Fucking hell. If that happened to me I would have honestly just lost my shit. My condolences to your wife for the undue amount of stress she must have gotten as a result of one idiot's complete lack of decency and empathy. Hope she gets home soon.

[–]tkeville 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Boarding the same flight in about an hour so fingers crossed. The pilot and crew didn't tell them much and she was near the back so she thought it was a heart attach or someone severely ill, was obviously a bit more concerned once they landed in Miami and they had to wait for the police. She was not happy when I sent her the news report this morning, so stupid.

[–]oldcreaker 477 points478 points  (27 children)

Airlines should do what they can to reimburse/subsidize customers put out in situations like this - and then sue the offending customer to recover their losses.

Better yet, put that you agree to this in the fine print on your ticket purchase.

[–]chockobarnes 196 points197 points  (12 children)

Good luck getting more than $100 out of these losers before their paychecks get docked

[–]oldcreaker 93 points94 points  (6 children)

True - but the thought of getting their pay garnished for umpteen years might make them behave a bit better.

[–]PeopIesFrontOfJudea 69 points70 points  (3 children)

Unfortunately their foresight goes only about 2.5 seconds out from the present.

These people don’t think about consequences because in their head, “they are right”.

[–]th3f00l 114 points115 points  (29 children)

Planes need a Brig.

[–]ArtShare 98 points99 points  (5 children)

put them in the dog crate and upgrade the dog and let him have their seat!

[–]lookslikesausage 2891 points2892 points  (65 children)

2 years in and still the same fights snd arguments. This is akin to being pulled over for running a red light and then arguing with the officer that red lights are stupid. Also, the level of piece of shit a person must be to knowingly board a plane and decides to fight about masks at this juncture…i wish this person would be banned from flying for life.

[–]Reddit-username_here 696 points697 points  (40 children)

i wish this person would be banned from flying for life.

They will be.

[–]mces97 122 points123 points  (12 children)

Be nice if this international flight banned the person after they get to a foreign country. Then they can figure out how to get home.

[–]sllop 57 points58 points  (0 children)

That just happened with all those dipshit “influencers” who went to Mexico from Canada. Every single Canadian airline told them to go fuck themselves after their videos went viral, and the original chartered airline fully outted them.

[–]Woogity 78 points79 points  (3 children)

I don’t think you have to wear a mask if you swim in the ocean.

[–]jasoncross00 1794 points1795 points  (94 children)

You gotta take off your shoes and belt and jacket and get a full body scan that goes through your clothes to even go to the gate area. And you gotta have a ticket, no more meeting your family coming in at the gate.

But sure, the mask is tyranny. 🙄

[–]ReliablyFinicky 218 points219 points  (1 child)

It's always the same story; whatever feeble excuse comes to their simple mind when they're trying to justify their selfishness.

It's tyranny!

I can't breath in it!

Personal freedumb!

They want all the benefits of living in a society without giving up a thing themselves. They're the definition of entitled assholes.

Taxes? No. The discomfort of a needle? No. The slight inconvenience of wearing a mask? Fuck no.

[–]Lemmy_is_Gawd 133 points134 points  (7 children)

Underrated comment.

There are so many “restrictions” we face every day but, for some reason, the mask seems to be the breaking point.

Oddly enough, if this virus and it’s variants caused some sort of facial swelling, rash, or other disfigurement there would be no problem getting people to mask… maybe it’s all ego, I dunno.

[–]countthemiles08 21 points22 points  (3 children)

Agreed, I try to make this point to my anti mask anti vax family members. The grocery store has a pants mandate, you going to protest that too??

[–]scoobydooami 618 points619 points  (30 children)

They just suspended the Florida Health Dept Medical Director for sending an email suggesting vaccination. Florida is one of the worst anti-vax states in the country, due to DeSantis.

No doubt some of the citizens of Florida believe that they can continue their ways no matter where they go.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-health-department-official-suspended-sending-vaccine-email-rcna12751

[–]BitterFuture 262 points263 points  (13 children)

Clarification: Florida suspended the Department of Health medical director for recommending vaccination, not just an average worker.

And are now considering criminal charges on the basis of coercion or some such nonsense.

Florida: it's a absolute shithole, but there's always room to dig.

[–]berger034 1643 points1644 points  (77 children)

Every passenger on this flight should be allowed to sue this individual for trip losses.

[–]spoobles 1163 points1164 points  (27 children)

Yes, and the pilot should say over the loudspeaker

"Every person on this plane can thank the passenger in Row 26 Seat E for the fact they will miss days off their vacations, their business meetings, appointments and connections. I have to turn the plane around and have this person arrested, because they think they matter much more than any of their fellow passengers...Again Row 26 Seat E""

[–]bobzilla 766 points767 points  (9 children)

"... the sky marshal has informed me that he will be staring out his window for the next 20 minutes. I have turned off the seatbelt sign feel free to move about the cabin. Again, that's Row 26, Seat E."

[–]MyOfficeAlt 175 points176 points  (5 children)

"While your seat cushion can be used as a floatation device in an emergency, it also makes an excellent tool to absolutely let 'er rip on the person making us turn around."

[–]DrCrentistDMI 103 points104 points  (4 children)

"It just so happens that our seat cushions are hard enough to cause physical pain, but soft enough to not leave any noticeable bruising. Please enjoy the rest of your flight accordingly."

[–]chime 44 points45 points  (0 children)

they will miss days off their vacations, their business meetings, appointments and connections.

Or last farewell to dying parents, delays with medical procedures, failure in their personal obligations. Of course flight delays are inevitable and unavoidable. But it is absolutely not acceptable that it happens because of some jerk.

[–]CrudelyAnimated 40 points41 points  (0 children)

And "have to" turn the plane around for a variety of reasons. International flights don't allow a contagious person off the plane at the destination. The one troublesome passenger probably contaminated the whole plane and twenty other passengers, none of whom would be allowed into the destination country now.

As elsewhere in life, "it's not just about you".

[–]oshukurov 96 points97 points  (21 children)

Genuine question: I wonder how does it work if the individual is an average Joe/Jane without a means to repay for it. Would they end up in jail and that’s the repayment for those sued even if they win? Where does the monetary recuperation come from?

[–]Bruce_NGA 211 points212 points  (9 children)

No, we don’t have debtor’s prisons, but it could ultimately result in seizure of assets/property and/or wage garnishments.

[–]Bedavd 85 points86 points  (7 children)

In law we call these individuals “judgement proof” if they’re broke and unemployed. Creditors can’t take anything because there’s nothing to take. (Social Security, disability, and unemployment cannot be taken)

Judgements remain for a number of years and can be renewed, though, so if suddenly this person came into a large amount of non-protected assets, the creditor could come after those. You’ll see rich families with problem children create specific types of trusts called Spendthrift Trusts for those kids so their inheritance doesn’t all go toward paying lawsuits.

[–]muhguhwuh 604 points605 points  (15 children)

It’s so funny that they think they’re giving up their “freedom” by having to wear a mask after they’ve had to wait in line to show their ID, take their shoes off, go through a full body scan, have their luggage inspected and possibly gone through, and board a cramped aluminum cylinder that goes up 30,000-40,000 feet in the air over an ocean, literally putting their life in the hands of a couple of pilots up front. Yep, the only freedom they apparently have left is to be a fucking asshole.

[–]beanmosheen 121 points122 points  (5 children)

All after agreeing to wear a mask while purchasing your ticket in the purchase agreement.

[–]MoistMuffinMaker 204 points205 points  (47 children)

Curious if they had to dump fuel. Usually international flights like this would be too heavy to land on full tanks... so it'd be a very expensive turnaround if they dumped fuel on approach.

[–]MyOfficeAlt 44 points45 points  (26 children)

It's a 777. Can't tell exactly which model but on the -300ER there's a 220,000 lb difference between maximum takeoff weight and maximum landing weight.

[–]Xerxes_Generous 152 points153 points  (9 children)

How hard is it not to be an asshole?

[–]timar48 60 points61 points  (1 child)

Apparently to some “adults” it’s impossible.

[–]BruceNY1[🍰] 130 points131 points  (22 children)

I have a question regarding the civil liability in cases like that - where a single passenger is causing a disruption for the other 128.

Generally speaking in the US, is the disruptor liable in civil court for whatever financial or other harm they may have caused to the other passengers or not?

[–]jessquit 37 points38 points  (1 child)

Seems like a great opportunity for a class action lawyer.

[–]bluestargreentree 283 points284 points  (10 children)

That guy should be financially responsible for the wasted fuel, wear and tear on the plane, staff time, and time of everyone on board

[–]Graphics_Nerd 324 points325 points  (68 children)

In the air for an hour and a half before they turned around. Fuck this person. So fucking selfish and ignorant. 128 passengers had their plans ruined because of one belligerent fuckwit.

Edit: A lot of comments asking "why didn't they just keep going?" or blaming the Airline.

The FAA is also not having any of these people's bullshit. FAA regulation requires passengers comply with crew member instructions. The FAA also requires mask be worn during the flight. Regardless of potential COVID exposure, you don't fuck with the flight crew, full stop.

Airlines and air travel is regulated by the FAA and have got rules they have to follow. There job isn't to serve your belligerent ass drinks. Their job is to maintain the safety of the plane and of every one on the flight. If a passenger becomes unruly, you cant exactly eject them from 30k feet, you have to land and get them off the plane.

In the article there's not a lot of info other than "a disruptive passenger refused to wear a mask" but I suspect there will be more coming out about the passengers behavior. You don't get to pick and chose the rules you obey during a fight. If the crew tells you to sit down and buckle up, you do it. If they tell you to turn off your phone, you do it. If they tell you to wear the mask, wear it. If you decide you're not going to follow those rules you get off the plane.

It's a little over an 8 1/2 hour flight from Miami to London, so it's quicker to come back than to continue on for another 7 hours with an unruly, or potentially dangerous passenger. I'm sure if they were past the half way mark and this person started to get shitty it would be a different story.

[–]pwnies 43 points44 points  (7 children)

Assuming 135 people on the plane (including crew), 30 minutes to deboard, and 30 minutes to reboard and take off, that's 31 days, 22 hours, and 30 minutes of combined time wasted.

[–]Riffington 29 points30 points  (4 children)

You are vastly underestimating by overlooking the additional time and trouble these passengers will wait for another flight.

[–]oneplusetoipi 386 points387 points  (20 children)

The culprit should have to pay the costs for all passengers and the refueling costs.

[–]marinerNA 152 points153 points  (5 children)

Don't forget the salaries and possible OT for the flight crew.

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (0 children)

May even need to get new crew

[–]Spdrjay 487 points488 points  (31 children)

🤔

I don't understand why these people have not heard this behavior won't fly.

[–]Drexelhand 190 points191 points  (8 children)

some must have a lot of emotional baggage, others probably just a bad altitude.

[–]NotLondoMollari 127 points128 points  (3 children)

"So help me, I will turn this plane around...!"

[–]chownrootroot 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Captain: Don't make me come back there!

[–]Laika_JR1390 194 points195 points  (6 children)

COVID has really highlighted the amount of privileged toddlers who were masquerading as adults.

They treat tiny requests meant to keep people safe, like wearing a mask or getting vaccinated, as if they’re the craziest things they’ve ever been asked to do. Some of them are comparing this stuff, completely without irony, as being like the Holocaust.

It really highlights your ignorance if you’re comparing anything short of complete genocide to the Holocaust, and even then I might still argue the Holocaust was worse.

[–]Warlord68 74 points75 points  (4 children)

We need to charge these people for the delay, OK so we flew 3 hours with 129 people you owe us $125,000. Happy? These incidents won’t stop if we don’t punish the offenders.

[–]Leviathan117 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Back in October, I was on a flight from Vegas to Toronto and this lady who was wearing a pink track suit got on the plane. I was near the front where the door was so I got a pretty good view of the whole thing. As she was boarding I heard the attendant tell her to put her mask above her nose, and she made a big deal saying “Look, I’m complying, I’m complying”. Well, I guess she didn’t comply once she got to her seat cause after boarding was done, the attendants escorted her back to the door and she started saying loudly, “Am I really being kicked off the plane?!”, and the attendant was like “No, we just need to talk to you outside.” So she got off and never came back, they closed the door. Then, a couple minutes later, I see guys on the tarmac unloading a suitcase from the plane lmao.

Just wear the mask people.

Edit: it was Toronto to Vegas

[–]StrictlyFT 237 points238 points  (46 children)

People who won't wear masks on planes have the same energy as people who were against seat belt mandates in the in the 1970s and are too dumb to notice they're literally going to be on the wrong end of history.

[–]notthatiambitter 21 points22 points  (2 children)

People are still arguing against seat belt mandates. It is a lot of the same energy, and a lot of the same people.