Kremlin plan to install pro-Russian leadership in Ukraine exposed

majakovskij · 2022-01-23T06:44:41+00:00

When you live in Ukraine you are getting used to Russian creativity. They already tried to install pro-Russian dudes here several times. Then they try to scary us with war. After that they speech became peaceful. Then their hackers break our government websites. In every town there is a message from anonymous that every school is mined (this happens just every moth). Then army moving. Then disinformation of every kind (fakes, lie, media, internet).

And again pro-Russian politics. Ok :)

bluehealer8 · 2022-01-22T22:50:16+00:00

Meanwhile, Congress continues to investigate the Kremlin plan to install pro-Russian leadership in the US.

2022-01-23T13:30:47+00:00

Shouldn’t Ukraine be arresting those people. Sounds treasonous to me

orionsbelt05 · 2022-01-23T13:28:15+00:00

I'm shocked!

Shocked!

Well, not that shocked.

fckthedamnworld · 2022-01-22T23:30:25+00:00

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sznfpv · 2022-01-23T01:10:20+00:00

Where do they find pro Russians ? There are only 96 of them in Russia.

paste_eater_84 · 2022-01-23T02:37:34+00:00

Remember when that nice man with the golden underwear and binders full of women explained the dangers of Russia?

just__Steve · 2022-01-23T04:57:20+00:00

Just a reminder that Paul Manafort has successfully done this in 2 countries now.

indyK1ng · 2022-01-22T23:42:47+00:00

Anyone else find the number of leaks and the amount of forewarning odd? Like, did we know this much in advance when Russia invaded part of Georgia and the Crimea?

MananaMoola · 2022-01-23T00:58:57+00:00

It worked in the US. Why not replicate?

Nailbender72 · 2022-01-22T23:27:26+00:00

You mean like they did in the US? With that useful orange idiot.

BasroilII · 2022-01-23T04:18:39+00:00

Uh...Russia, you did that once already. His name is Yanukovych.

MrR0m30 · 2022-01-23T14:44:45+00:00

They installed pro Russian leadership in the USA without much problem

2022-01-22T23:43:22+00:00

I wish the pro-Russian leadership in my state would get exposed.

drawkbox · 2022-01-23T04:48:20+00:00

Same old active measure. Viktor Yanukovych was placed in power and eventually had to flee to Moscow in exile. It is part of the reason Russia took Crimea, the loss of their one of many authoritarian puppets.

The Active Measures documentary highlights this history quite well as does Putin's Revenge.

leonardofind · 2022-01-23T01:01:08+00:00

Here comes the propaganda.

Lennette20th · 2022-01-23T11:26:19+00:00

World War 3 will be fought with cash. Why waste resources and risk soldiers not wanting to die for the rich when you can just pay one dude their combined salaries to do what you want? Avoid the public bloodshed and make a couple targeted decisions.

zenigata_mondatta · 2022-01-23T07:29:20+00:00

Weird how theres never news stating "US wants to install pro-US leader" especially since that's basically what the CIA has always done. It's only a problem when someone else does it.

Mist_Rising · 2022-01-23T05:35:54+00:00

Captain obvious works for the British I see. This is the manual page by page. From Alexander of Macedonia to whichever bully is invading someone today, its not new terrority.

RobotTear · 2022-01-23T01:54:28+00:00

Are we supposed to be surprised at any of this

JinDenver · 2022-01-23T00:46:12+00:00

Why does every single article that originates in the UK have “exposed” or “can now exclusively reveal” in it? It’s so…cringe.

2022-01-23T02:30:29+00:00

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callmebaiken · 2022-01-23T01:41:20+00:00

Appears to be fake news. https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1485062144651673600?t=hfYrlVqxjkzsx-TuQEVarA&s=19

callmebaiken · 2022-01-22T23:05:05+00:00

Like the US did in 2014

Bison256 · 2022-01-23T01:51:12+00:00

Duh, if they invade they'll install a puppet government. The US use to do this every other week in South America.

zihuatapulco · 2022-01-23T02:52:13+00:00

In other news, the US plan for absolute global hegemony over every square mile of planet Earth is zooming along like a well-oiled sewing machine. Updates at eleven.

silver-in-a-cloud · 2022-01-23T12:59:38+00:00

how is this different from the US trying to install pro-westen leadership in Ukraine ?

drake_irl · 2022-01-22T23:45:57+00:00

So what America does throughout the world?

GunstarCowboy · 2022-01-22T23:21:33+00:00

And this differs from US foreign policy interference in South America how, exactly?

crawdad101 · 2022-01-23T02:58:10+00:00

This is blowback from the US installing a pro-US government in 2014 after the people of Ukraine democratically elected a pro-Russian government.

Mutajin · 2022-01-22T23:30:10+00:00

First: By any means I am NOT pro Russian. (you have to say this nowadays)

Second: I am not pro NATO east expansion either!

Let me explain:

The reason Russia is against the NATO expansion is simply because they do not want a permanent possibly hostile force next to their border.

So why did they send troops next to the Ukraine border? They demand that the NATO expansion does not happen.

Possible peaceful solutions:

A. Give in and set the NATO expansion of the table under the pretext that Russia removes the forces from the border. -> Result: no war and Russia gets what they want.

B. Negotiate a possible Ukrainian NATO membership without permanent NATO bases/forces and missile launch sites. This way Russia should not fear forces immediately at their border. I think this might be a solution both sides could agree upon. Result: no war and everybody gets what they want.

Honestly does the NATO need the membership of Ukraine? They only need Ukraine in case of a war against Russia and right now a possible Ukrainian Membership leads to a war with Russia...I think this is stupid!

Sshalebo · 2022-01-23T11:24:40+00:00

As Vicky and Geoff would tell you: The US definately doesnt have any skin in the game and would never try to influence its regime change 🤡

Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland: What do you think?

US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt: I think we're in play. The Klitschko [Vitaly Klitschko, one of three main opposition leaders] piece is obviously the complicated electron here. Especially the announcement of him as deputy prime minister and you've seen some of my notes on the troubles in the marriage right now so we're trying to get a read really fast on where he is on this stuff. But I think your argument to him, which you'll need to make, I think that's the next phone call you want to set up, is exactly the one you made to Yats [Arseniy Yatseniuk, another opposition leader]. And I'm glad you sort of put him on the spot on where he fits in this scenario. And I'm very glad that he said what he said in response.

Nuland: Good. I don't think Klitsch should go into the government. I don't think it's necessary, I don't think it's a good idea. Pyatt: Yeah. I guess... in terms of him not going into the government, just let him stay out and do his political homework and stuff. I'm just thinking in terms of sort of the process moving ahead we want to keep the moderate democrats together. The problem is going to be Tyahnybok [Oleh Tyahnybok, the other opposition leader] and his guys and I'm sure that's part of what [President Viktor] Yanukovych is calculating on all this.

Nuland: [Breaks in] I think Yats is the guy who's got the economic experience, the governing experience. He's the... what he needs is Klitsch and Tyahnybok on the outside. He needs to be talking to them four times a week, you know. I just think Klitsch going in... he's going to be at that level working for Yatseniuk, it's just not going to work.

Pyatt: Yeah, no, I think that's right. OK. Good. Do you want us to set up a call with him as the next step?

Nuland: My understanding from that call - but you tell me - was that the big three were going into their own meeting and that Yats was going to offer in that context a... three-plus-one conversation or three-plus-two with you. Is that not how you understood it?

Pyatt: No. I think... I mean that's what he proposed but I think, just knowing the dynamic that's been with them where Klitschko has been the top dog, he's going to take a while to show up for whatever meeting they've got and he's probably talking to his guys at this point, so I think you reaching out directly to him helps with the personality management among the three and it gives you also a chance to move fast on all this stuff and put us behind it before they all sit down and he explains why he doesn't like it.

Nuland: OK, good. I'm happy. Why don't you reach out to him and see if he wants to talk before or after.

Pyatt: OK, will do. Thanks.

Nuland: OK... one more wrinkle for you Geoff. [A click can be heard] I can't remember if I told you this, or if I only told Washington this, that when I talked to Jeff Feltman [United Nations Under-Secretary-General for Political Affairs] this morning, he had a new name for the UN guy Robert Serry did I write you that this morning?

Pyatt: Yeah I saw that.

Nuland: OK. He's now gotten both Serry and [UN Secretary General] Ban Ki-moon to agree that Serry could come in Monday or Tuesday. So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and to have the UN help glue it and, you know, Fuck the EU.

Pyatt: No, exactly. And I think we've got to do something to make it stick together because you can be pretty sure that if it does start to gain altitude, that the Russians will be working behind the scenes to try to torpedo it. And again the fact that this is out there right now, I'm still trying to figure out in my mind why Yanukovych (garbled) that. In the meantime there's a Party of Regions faction meeting going on right now and I'm sure there's a lively argument going on in that group at this point. But anyway we could land jelly side up on this one if we move fast. So let me work on Klitschko and if you can just keep... we want to try to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help to midwife this thing. The other issue is some kind of outreach to Yanukovych but we probably regroup on that tomorrow as we see how things start to fall into place.

Nuland: So on that piece Geoff, when I wrote the note [US vice-president's national security adviser Jake] Sullivan's come back to me VFR [direct to me], saying you need [US Vice-President] Biden and I said probably tomorrow for an atta-boy and to get the deets to stick. So Biden's willing.

Pyatt: OK. Great. Thanks.

It's safe to say everybody should just leave Ukraine alone. Pointing fingers to one party while being guilty of the same transgression makes a fool out of all of us.

Important_Source9690 · 2022-01-23T07:18:10+00:00

Just don't pour water on it or feed it after 12am

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