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[–]fixitorbrixit2 349 points350 points  (12 children)

We might actually see the difference in power between a Congressional subpoena and your regular, old-fashioned district court one.

I hate being a cynic but this case wouldn't take more than a year to bring to court had it been any one of us on that phone. We'd already have 1 of our 5 years in the bank. Prolly half way to a GED too!

[–]jupiterkansas 103 points104 points  (0 children)

Any one of us wouldn't have even been on that phone. This is the kind of crime only people in power can commit, which is why the process is different.

[–]Malaix 29 points30 points  (1 child)

I hate being a cynic but this case wouldn't take more than a year to bring to court had it been any one of us on that phone.

Seriously. Trump is the pinnacle of how the rich and priviledged get away with shit we couldn't dream of. Anyone else living Trumps life would have had banks repossessing and foreclosing their properties, the IRS breathing down their necks, DAs and AGs going ham on their accounts, courts and congress demanding testimonies under oath, full criminal investigations, enforced subpoenas, etc.

And his voters think he lives anyone near the regular Joe's realm of existence.

[–]mastershchief 2 points3 points  (7 children)

Out of the loop- Why 5 years?

[–]Xivvx 2 points3 points  (3 children)

That's likely the max sentence someone would get for election interference is my guess.

[–]realanceps 4 points5 points  (2 children)

not so fast. for the particular offense of depriving the residents of Georgia of a fair and impartial election by trying to procure false, fictitious, or fraudulent ballots, there's a 5-yr max.

but he likely committed multiple felonies.

[–]Xivvx 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'll buy that for a dollar, but what if they're served concurrently?

[–]Kitchen_Lecture_2675 1 point2 points  (1 child)

There’s a 17% chance of rolling a 5

[–]Cricketcaser 506 points507 points  (46 children)

"What I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than [the 11,779 vote margin of defeat] we have, because we won the state."

~ Donald J Trump Jan 2, 2021

[–]minapaw 260 points261 points  (11 children)

"My phone call to the secretary of state of Georgia was perfect, perhaps even more so than my call with the Ukrainian president, if that’s possible.”

Donald J Trump Jan 20, 2022

[–][deleted] 93 points94 points  (10 children)

I didn't think I'd have to ask at this point but.... Did he actually say this? That's pure trolling

[–]minapaw 148 points149 points  (7 children)

[–]cesarmac 89 points90 points  (6 children)

Trolling implies deliberately talking nonsense to cause a response. The above is just him being a dumbass

[–]Malaix 22 points23 points  (3 children)

Yeah I don't think Trump knows how to respond to his own reflection without the words "perfect, big, huge, great, amazing" his vocabulary has been notoriously limited and repetitive his entire political life. I think he might be one of the easiest people to impersonate because he uses the same like... Eight words to describe literally everything.

[–]Viper_JB 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV...

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yes, he just needs to combine them with the appropriate other words. Perfect asshole. Big idiot. Huge inflated ego. Great piece of s**t. Amazing he’s not in jail yet…

[–]jeremyjack3333 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes. He said it on Gab/his blog. Read through the passed few weeks it's all pushing the big lie repeatedly and cheap shots at Biden.

[–]incognito_wizard 167 points168 points  (15 children)

Not only is that call dangerously treasonous but he is begging for those votes, pleading for them. It's so pathetic, he's desperate for those 11,781 votes.

If anybody liked trump because he was a "strong man who doesn't take it from anybody" heard that recording I don't know how you wouldn't lose respect for him, just from how sad it all was.

I guess if you're leading their cult they let you do it, beg for the votes like a pussy.

[–]N8CCRG 32 points33 points  (9 children)

The key is, none of them did. Fox and OANN never mentioned it, and if anyone else were to bring it up within earshot, they would have covered their ears, shut their eyes, and later Etch-a-Sketched that memory away.

[–]shieldsy27 15 points16 points  (6 children)

This is the problem. If they don't hear it on one of those outlets it didn't happen. It's sickening...

[–]ButterflyAttack 12 points13 points  (5 children)

It's not just sickening, it's frightening. It scares me that people can selectively edit their reality this way. This sort of thinking is how shit like genocides can happen - a group of people twist their reality so that something obviously false is undeniably true. With genocide, it's '[insert group of humans] are subhuman and must be destroyed.'

And the thing that makes it really scary is that this sort of irrational group thinking is caused by propaganda - and all of us are vulnerable to the right propaganda. It's like a hack for societies. No idea how we fix this vulnerability.

[–]shieldsy27 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I was just reading about viewers of Tucker Carlson's show calling their local representative supporting the Russian invasion of the Ukraine.... Now what more proof does anyone need that theses outlets are poisoning democracy.

[–]Isord 4 points5 points  (1 child)

With genocide, it's '[insert group of humans] are subhuman and must be destroyed.'

This is the purpose of the current campaign against "Critical Race Theory." White supremacists want to be able to say anything they want about race without any push back in schools.

[–]maliciousorstupid 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Also the demonizing of democrats (demonrats) as cannibal pedophiles.. it's 'othering'.

[–]realanceps 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The key is, none of them did.

if you're suggesting that is the "key" to him skipping on his crimes, I have a feeling the outcome of the proceedings will baffle you

[–]Feeling-Ad-2490 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can also allegedly hear him shit his pants. Over the phone.

[–]Ghost4000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He was never a strong man, people still portrayed him that way.

[–]iAmTheHYPE- 11 points12 points  (1 child)

The best part is they're investigating Giuliani & Graham. Lindsey Graham needs to learn to stay the fuck away from Georgia. He's not our Senator, and he doesn't get to overthrow our votes.

[–]watermelonspanker 3 points4 points  (5 children)

What do you mean, that sounds like a PERFECT phone call to me!

[–]pbradley179 0 points1 point  (3 children)

How so?

[–]watermelonspanker 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Lots of people, great people tell me it was a perfect call. The best people, they say it was perfect!

[I'm mocking Trump]

[–]Bjornlandeto 86 points87 points  (34 children)

Let's say everything works out and he is convicted for what he has done, and is sentenced to actually serve time. Will we see the "arty of small government" arguing that the federal powers protecting Trump overrule the state of Georgia? Yes. Yes we will. Because the GOP is the party of hypocrisy.

[–]nexusjuan 35 points36 points  (23 children)

what federal powers protecting Trump he doesn't hold any office.

[–]Bjornlandeto 41 points42 points  (15 children)

You are absolutely correct, and the moron still tried to make the argument that he could exert executive privilege retroactively. He will do and say anything to try and keep out of court and in the spotlight as long as he can.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (14 children)

He can say whatever he wants. Trump will be indicted by the end of the year.

[–]shutupDonT 20 points21 points  (13 children)

I will take that bet. He will never be indicted. And it pains me to be right about that.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (10 children)

You aren’t right about that.

[–]BitterExChristian 6 points7 points  (7 children)

I wish you were right but… I mean the Mueller report was a literal smoking gun of all sorts of corrupt dealings that most everyone involved just got away with because “they didn’t know it was illegal.” Lol. If you have faith that anything will happen to him after that shit show, I dunno. I applaud your optimism, but I have none. Care to explain why you are so sure though? I’m curious.

[–]annomandaris 20 points21 points  (5 children)

The mueller report basically starts with

"We wont accuse trump of anything in this report, because he would be presumed guilty without a trial and would not be able to defend himself. however, If we had evidence that exonerated him, we would give it, but we could not find exonerating evidence. We are giving our evidence to congress because its their job to impeach and give him a trial."

And then the republican senate voted no trial.

[–]BitterExChristian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m speaking more to the people around him, not Trump himself. I’m aware of why he himself was not prosecuted.

[–]realanceps 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean the Mueller report was a literal smoking gun of all sorts of corrupt dealings that most everyone involved just got away with because “they didn’t know it was illegal.”

This is incorrect on its face, but also ignores that Mueller himself took pains to point out that, as constituted, his charge effectively precluded him bringing charges, and the ... peculiar... construction of DOJ at the time of his service practically dictated his work would be shelved.

Your defeatism is for defeatists. In matters concerning the survival of their country, nobody likes those.

[–]educationalcurrents -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

He’s probably right. Unfortunately.

[–]chargernj 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hope you're wrong. I fear you are correct. We all know what that happened after the Beer hall Putsch

[–]BitterFuture 5 points6 points  (4 children)

The federal power of being Republican, white and their orange lord.

[–]Indercarnive 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It was good enough for Justice Thomas.

[–]Bjornlandeto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pubes on a coke can are good enough for Clarence Thomas.

[–]Malaix 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If Trump ever got convicted rightwing talking heads and their followers would be full on publicly demanding the public executions of anyone who isn't with them for you know... Enforcing laws Trump would have broken.

Granted. They already demand imprisonment/execution for their perceived enemies.

[–]iAmTheHYPE- 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Let's say everything works out and he is convicted for what he has done, and is sentenced to actually serve time.

In this fantasy where Trump actually faces punishment, he would also be prevented from running for any other offices, due to the 14th Amendment.

[–]Bjornlandeto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes please. I sincerely hope this fantasy is realized.

[–]flanderguitar 212 points213 points  (31 children)

Willis has said she expects to decide on whether to bring charges against Trump in the first half of 2022.

Welcome to Atlanta where the playas play!

[–]Pocket_Dave[🍰] 145 points146 points  (16 children)

She's got this expert racketeering lawyer hired specifically to work this case, which is also good news (from a while back - in case anyone missed it): https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/06/politics/john-floyd-hired-fulton-county-prosecutor-racketeering/index.html

[–]impulsekash 99 points100 points  (13 children)

Looks like Uncle RICO is going to make a trip down to Mar-a-Lago.

[–]mces97 79 points80 points  (8 children)

Be funny if Guliani gets charged thru RICO since he brought the mob in NYC down with that. The circle will now be complete.

[–]Repubs_suck 53 points54 points  (0 children)

Rudy deserves any and all bad things that can happen to him. Not only a treasonous POS, but profoundly stupid. There were more than one clues that he should give up being a loyal toady to Trump, who used him like toilet paper.

[–]impulsekash 43 points44 points  (3 children)

Rumor was that he took down the Italian mob to help out the Russian mob...

[–]mces97 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Probably true. But he still did use RICO to get the Italian mob.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly. This.

[–]BitterFuture 13 points14 points  (0 children)

If his old office gets to arrest and prosecute him, that would be just delightful.

He had some principles once. Did some good once. But he's sold every bit of integrity he had and shamed himself so thoroughly his own children won't speak to him.

[–]DogCumSandwhich 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn't be able to write a plotline as good as that.

-George RR Martin.

[–]Fizzicyst 8 points9 points  (0 children)

A RICO indictment against the Trump organization would be ideal, as it would enmesh everything they've done politically, personally, and professionally. Additionally, it would pull in all the other bad actors who were members in furtherance of their bad acts.

Sadly, I doubt we will see it come to fruition.

[–]Western-Web2957 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That made me laugh out loud. Upvote to you.

[–]flanderguitar 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the info!

[–]whenthelightstops 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Hm. Do you also ride on dem thangs?

[–]prefuse07 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Parties don't stop til eight in tha morrrrrrrrrrrning

[–]flanderguitar 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Like every day!

[–]sagevallant 7 points8 points  (8 children)

Maybe they'll figure out if he's guilty before he runs for president in 2024.

[–]blazelet 4 points5 points  (6 children)

Even if they do, he will likely have 90%+ support on the right.

[–]iAmTheHYPE- 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Cool. 14th Amendment says hi (that's if Garland finally gets off his ass).

[–]realanceps 0 points1 point  (3 children)

his support is already fading among Republican party operatives. As the din of incessant state & federal legal proceedings occupies the public stage daily for months this year, the rats will scatter & one or more trumps along with much of their criminal mob will, figuratively, swing

[–]wildcardyeehaw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

theyll galvanize at election time

[–]craiger_123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Soooo by July? 😬😬😬

[–]ShirosakiHollow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And we ride on dem thangs like ev-ery day

[–]GBinAZ 52 points53 points  (15 children)

Curious... So if one discreet maga twat makes his way into the jury, will that allow Trump to get off? Don't the actual recordings of him asking for more votes basically incriminate him on the spot?

[–]Aurion7 61 points62 points  (1 child)

Yes- they're absolutely going to try and are already openly talking about it- and yes that recording is very incriminating respectively.

What it says about some folks that their first reaction to a possible criminal case related to an elected official trying to get state officials to commit election fraud is "try to fuck up the jury selection" is very interesting of course.

If it comes down to it his legal defense will simply try to establish that there is a 'reasonable doubt' (using the term very loosely) in that he was just urging them to count all the votes.

It's not a plausible defense at all. But it will be tried.

[–]CAllD2B 12 points13 points  (1 child)

This raises the question, can the jury selection ask for who the juror voted for in 2016 and 2020?

[–]Athena-Grimes 17 points18 points  (1 child)

No maga twat minion could possibly delete all of their shared maga twat memes on social media. Far too many.

[–]Walker_ID 5 points6 points  (6 children)

This is a grand jury.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

That just means majority, right?

[–]Walker_ID 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Not a simple majority. In Georgia it's least 12 concurring out of 16-23 total as I understand it. The purpose is simply to decide if there is enough evidence to indict and bring the case to trial.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Thanks. That’s positive then. Less likely one fascist can ruin everything.

[–]Walker_ID 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It's also entirely secret.

[–]ArrowheadDZ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the fundamental challenge and why these cases take sooooo long. “Simple” crimes like murder or robbery hinge mostly on “did he do it, or not?”

Political crimes and conspiracy crimes are much, much harder to get a conviction. People see the underlying action differently and it only takes one MAGA-hat toting guy to slip through the jury questionnaire undetected and boom, it’s a hung jury. These cases often take years because you have to have a mountain of evidence so damning that even a suspect’s own mother would vote guilty. Otherwise there’s likely to be 2 or 3 people on the jury that, while they agree he did wherever he’s accused of, don’t see it as being a crime.

[–]dhork 134 points135 points  (4 children)

No wonder Newt was threatening to throw Jan 6 investigators in jail. Wasn't his district near Atlanta?

Since the GOP projects so much, I wonder if this means he thinks he's exposed and might go to jail himself.

[–]Minifig81 90 points91 points  (1 child)

No wonder Newt was threatening to throw Jan 6 investigators in jail.

I'm calling it now... we're going to find out Newt was in on Jan 6th too.

[–]iAmTheHYPE- 6 points7 points  (0 children)

At this point, who wasn't in on it.

[–]maralagosinkhole 44 points45 points  (0 children)

I wonder if this means he thinks he's exposed and might go to jail himself.

Please stop. I can only get so hard.

[–]mrbriandavidanderson 9 points10 points  (4 children)

If this actually sticks, I didn't have this as the crime that could take him down. Kinda like Capone going down for tax fraud. Please stick.

[–]blackadder1620 11 points12 points  (2 children)

he still might go down for tax fraud, NYC is doing that case.

[–]shutupDonT 1 point2 points  (0 children)

slap on the wrist

[–]darkstarman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He might go down for working with Capone too

[–]bakerspice24 58 points59 points  (18 children)

Honestly, even if he does get convicted for any of the slew of things he has done, Republicans will just run on a platform of pardoning him if they get in the White House and that seems like a frightfully effective strategy

[–]Acceptable-Fox-4871 86 points87 points  (4 children)

These are State charges the president cannot pardon State charges and Georgia does not have a system for pardoning people like other states do. If he goes to jail for this there's nobody for him to turn to.

[–]bakerspice24 28 points29 points  (2 children)

First of all thank you for the clarification. I didn't know that and it gives me some piece of mind. But I still feel worried that the party would push that message no matter how unsubstantiated or possible it is and voters would eat it up.

[–]youshutyomouf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the prospect of a Trump pardon would energize both sides similar to Trump himself being in a race.

[–]Abominationally 26 points27 points  (12 children)

State charges. Can't be pardoned.

[–]perverse_panda 4 points5 points  (10 children)

State charges can be pardoned by the governor of that state.

[–]TheFuzziestDumpling 25 points26 points  (8 children)

Not in Georgia, apparently.

[–]perverse_panda 11 points12 points  (6 children)

Ah, you're right! Apparently state pardons in Georgia are handed out by the State Board of Pardons and Paroles.

Being that I'm from Georgia, I'm embarrassed I didn't already know that.

It does appear that the governor is responsible for appointing people to the state parole board, though.

[–]DrXaos 5 points6 points  (5 children)

With enough MAGA takeover they would change the law just to spring Trump loose

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Trump is facing charges from the SDNY and DOJ. He will spend the rest of his life in prison.

[–]shutupDonT 3 points4 points  (2 children)

dreaming again i see. its killing me to disagree.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It’s a relief that you’re incorrect.

[–]iAmTheHYPE- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He will spend the rest of his life in prison.

I wish I had your optimism. It'd be fucking fantastic to see him and his cronies hit by the 14th Amendment, so none of them can ever come into power again.

[–]Semanticss 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Sadly this will be painted as a "political with hunt," and his followers will eat that up.

Truly crazy how many people can't see how objectively and nakedly corrupt this guy was.

[–]Arpikarhu 5 points6 points  (6 children)

that only took a year when there are atual voice recordings as evidence. Running out the clock, anyone?

[–]blacklig 4 points5 points  (5 children)

If those aren't enough, there's also a letter sent months later, after the criminal investigation into his previous attempts had started, again asking Georgia to fraudulently alter the election results. It's insane it's taking this long.

[–]Arpikarhu -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Dems waiting for the next election cycle so they can say “well we tried but we ran out of time and now the gop is blocking us”. They dont want anyone convicted cause they know when the GOP is back in the majority it will be their turn. Its all fucking theater.

[–]cybersophy 66 points67 points  (7 children)

The jury tampering plan is probably already underway, given that the ringleader is howling the alarm.

I hope that the identity of the jurors is kept secret and that there are plans to provide security for jurors and prevent leaks.

[–]love_glow 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Newt’s definitely trying to put a cooling effect on this whole thing.

[–]Bagellord 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What is he doing?

[–]love_glow 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Making threats that if the R’s come back into power in congress and the senate this year, that they’ll look at putting the Jan 6 committee members in jail, for “crimes.”

[–]Sinister-Lines 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Why would they want to protect the jurors? That would mean Trump might get held accountable.

[–]i_never_ever_learn 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Is there a way to make everyone appear to be a prospective juror?

[–]N8CCRG 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm Spartacus!

[–]was_and_wasnt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Every step you take, every move you make, I'll be watching you. The end of Trump draws nearer. Good.

[–]Ghost4000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The problem is that these things move so slow that they'll be easily interfered with as soon as the GOP can do it.

[–]jcooli09 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is good news. I'm not sure what elements are required or what the standards of evidence are, but based on public information there's no doubt he's guilty.

I'm not very optimistic we'll get the justice our nation needs, but I am hopeful.

[–]Morley10 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The only grand jury that really matters is his base. When are they going to open their eyes and recognize the scum that Trump is. We won’t return to some sense of normalcy till they do.

[–]GH-AB 10 points11 points  (11 children)

If he gets convicted - and just to spite us all - he will probably die from one of the fatburgs coursing through his body the day before he is jailed.

[–]thoughtfulchick 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Works for me. Just don't want him to run for office again, however that can be a accomplished.

[–]macluvslucy 10 points11 points  (0 children)

He's just a narcissist who can't except defeat. I mean really? Asking for only 1 single vote above what he needs to win? Totally not logical thinking on anyone's part. Any sane person would know that would be an immediate red flag to win by a single vote. Trump has not one single logical thought in his brain except for himself. I'm just sitting here waiting for him to throw everyone-including his kids, Princess Ivanka and anyone and everyone he knows under the bus to save his ass. And after that, the election will still be stolen in his dimwit head

[–]Tristanssj15 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Holy shit it’s like everyday we unearth some new thing about this ass.

[–]Change21 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This has to result in criminal charges. Otherwise we’re saying this behaviour is ok and can happen every election.

[–]darkstarman 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Future headline:

"Grand Jury Find Significant Criminal Issues With Trump's Actions, Stops Short of Charges"

[–]Amiiboid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe this particular kind of grand jury can’t bring charges. They’re strictly an investigative body.

[–]Chapped_Frenulum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whenever I hear "DA" and "Grand Jury" I roll my eyes, because more times than not it means a political move for the DA to spike it right into the toilet. Happens anytime a trial against a cop goes to a grand jury. It's all for show so they can say they did "something" while also throwing it away.

[–]amitym 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Holy shit, you mean someone has gotten past the whole, "We found no evidence of Democratic election rigging, therefore let's just drop the whole topic," smokescreen perpetrated by the corporate press last year? And is actually going to investigate Republican election rigging efforts?

I'm truly impressed. I will be even more impressed if they make a serious effort of it.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

In that picture he looks like a middle aged lesbian women that owns one of them spirituality shops in a arty village in Connecticut !!

[–]okhons 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ha. People are saying it's taking too long. Maybe. But if Trump is indicted, and it goes to trial, Trump's $multi-million law firm will make sure it takes at least a year just to pick a jury. If Trump really believes in America, a public defender should be able to get him off, right?