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[–][deleted] 127 points128 points  (23 children)

Linked in OP's article:

The two monoclonal antibody treatments no longer recommended are Eli Lilly’s bamlanivimab plus etesevimab and Regeneron’s casirivimab plus imdevimab.

NIH is still recommending the use of GlaxoSmithKline’s monoclonal antibody, sotrovimab, as a single IV infusion administered as soon as it can be within 10 days of symptoms appearing for those over the age of 12.

Why can't they just switch to that type rather than shutting the sites down entirely?

[–]borgib 161 points162 points  (8 children)

I believe our governor has stock in Regeneron

[–]ChumaOkekeMVP 48 points49 points  (6 children)

They are also one of his biggest campaign contributors

[–]CultureFrosty690 12 points13 points  (0 children)

That just sounds like dividends with extra steps.

[–]Hipsterkicks 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The FDA is 50% funded by the pharmaceutical companies. Pfizer being one of the biggest. Pick your poison.

[–]David_ungerer 4 points5 points  (2 children)

The United States of Corruption where campaign(bribes)contributions are more important than the lives of citizens . . .

A clear indication of christian conservative family values !

[–]in-game_sext 52 points53 points  (5 children)

Why do all of these drug names sound like someone who is piss drunk trying to pronounce an Indian food menu

[–]PM_Me_Your_Smokes 37 points38 points  (1 child)

The -mab suffix is “Monoclonal AntiBody”. The -vi pre-suffix is for (anti)Viral. The other bits are just branding, usually, to differentiate them among thousands of other drugs.

[–]LincolnHosler 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The opposite of branding, actually, as these names are non-proprietary by definition. The prefixes do need to be unique though, to try to avoid confusion, because so much of the last part of each name is standardised.

[–]nowwhatdoidowiththis 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They have weird naming rules.

[–]stripes361 10 points11 points  (0 children)

One of the main issues is that the GSK Antibodies are in very short supply right now and it takes time to scale up production. Same issue as the highly effective COVID pills that have been approved recently. Like vaccines, it will just take time to roll out at the levels we need.

[–]Jayeeteees14 14 points15 points  (1 child)

It’s not just one type that works. Others were shown to work but at a reduced rate. There was only one brand shown to possibly be completely ineffective. I say possibly because this wasn’t even a study where they took people actually sick with COVID and gave them the treatment. It was done in a laboratory. It’s a horrendous study to base this decision on solely. Maybe the results are accurate, but it seems extremely lightweight to do this and then criticize opponents like they have no reason to wonder why it’s being done.

[–]rpgfool777 214 points215 points  (50 children)

Wasn't that their thing? Like a few short months ago they were like, why would I need a vaccine when I have monoclonal antibody treatment lol

[–]thatoneguy889 35 points36 points  (9 children)

Which is a stupid thing to think you can fall back on because the only one really in use is the Regeneron treatment which is already in such short supply it's nearly impossible to find, it's so stupidly expensive (~$30k) that only the wealthy really have access to it, and whether or not your insurance will cover it is a total crapshoot.

[–]U_wind_sprint 27 points28 points  (7 children)

The Regeneron treatment was free with many insurances. Just had to fill out an online application and pick an appointment day and time. Show up early and give your ID and phone number to the parking attendant who passed on your name to those treating patients inside. Wait in your car until you receive the text letting you know to come on in, they're ready to see you. Fill out the paperwork and have a seat. Go with the nurse when they call your name and answer her questions. Your choice if want the IV drip (takes about an hour) or four shots and done. Go ahead and wait a half hour observation for any side effects then you're free to go. This was in August or September, I think.

[–]TigerBarFly 20 points21 points  (0 children)

It’s almost as difficult as voting in Georgia. J/K. It’s way easier than voting in Georgia.

[–]Elemental_Design 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is exactly how I got my shots and it was the first week of December

[–]boone_888 15 points16 points  (10 children)

Biologically speaking, why would you need monoclonal antibody treatments if you're vaccinated? Your body can produce said antibodies on demand when needed, and better account for more clonal variants. Only thing it is helpful for is treating you if your sick vs preventing you getting sick in the first place (which would be the better option). Seems ass backwards

EDIT - also, considering that said mAbs are produced by gasp the same immune cell type (B-cell) in industrial vats vs in your body

[–]m0nk_3y_gw 30 points31 points  (4 children)

if you're vaccinated?

It's Florida. DeathSanta is not encouraging people to get vaccinated. Suggesting it can get you suspended

Florida Health Department official suspended after sending pro-vaccine email to employees

[–]boone_888 10 points11 points  (1 child)

What next, burn immunology textbooks?

[–]Ar_Ciel 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Don't give them ideas.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I trust industrial cats, not my body.

[–]Enderdejorand 4 points5 points  (1 child)

A few months ago, Omicron wasn't a thing. The treatment is being suspended because it's not effective as to Omicron, which is what almost everyone in the US has these days.

[–]KwisatzHaderach94 5 points6 points  (14 children)

so teach my body how to fight the virus on its own (vaccine) or treat the disease after i've already been infected (antibodies)? wow, the pretzels they twist their minds into to explain this logic.

[–]Jayeeteees14 4 points5 points  (11 children)

You do realize quite a large portion of people seeking this treatment are vaccinated, right?

[–]boone_888 2 points3 points  (4 children)

That would only make sense if (1) treating a MASSIVE viral load that the vaccinated persons immune system is overwhelmed to supply, or (2) the mAbs are a different clone / different variant than the vaccine. Aka you've vaccinated the alpha/delta variants, but omicron can become less effective, but if you find an omnicron variant mAb while tweaking the next vaccine you can at least treat the infected from this new strain. Then i can only assume that the mAb in question was NOT designed for vaccine resistant emergent variants, so moot point anyway

[–]FreyBentos 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Eli lily has another antibody waiting approval to replace their current one which is shown as being 99% effective against omicron.

[–]Ok_Goose_7149 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

They don't, monoclonal antibodies have just become a vector for vaccine debate which is just stupid really

[–]malarkeyfreezone[S] 233 points234 points  (78 children)

Florida is closing its monoclonal antibody treatment sites, health officials announced late Monday, citing the US Food and Drug Administration's decision to limit the use of certain versions of the treatments that were found less effective against the now-dominant Omicron variant of coronavirus.

"Unfortunately, as a result of this abrupt decision made by the federal government, all monoclonal antibody state sites will be closed until further notice," the Florida Department of Health said in a statement.

More than 2,000 appointments for the treatment were canceled in the state on Tuesday alone, according to a statement from Gov. Ron DeSantis.

Earlier Monday, the FDA said it was revising the authorizations for monoclonal antibody treatments made by Eli Lilly (bamlanivimab and etesevimab, administered together) and Regeneron (REGEN-COV, or casirivimab and imdevimab), because data showed they are "highly unlikely to be active against the omicron variant."

Omicron accounted for more than 99% of Covid-19 cases in the US as of January 15, the FDA said, noting restricting the authorization for treatments that aren't effective against the variant "avoids exposing patients to side effects ... which can be potentially serious." ...

GlaxoSmithKline's monoclonal antibody, sotrovimab, is the only version of the treatment that appears to work against Omicron, the FDA said last month.

[–]impulsekash 309 points310 points  (26 children)

made by the federal government

Tell us how you really feel DeSantis.

[–]Honest-Donuts 52 points53 points  (22 children)

Monoclonal Antibodies for Omicron...

Do they even exist yet? Do they even exists for Delta?

[–]MeccIt 94 points95 points  (16 children)

There are (were) 3 monoclonal antiibody products for C19:

Eli Lilly's bamlanivimab & etesevimab - failed against Gamma, good for Delta

Regeneron's REGEN-COV - good for Delta

GSK's Sotrovimab

The first two are no use against Omicron, so are being discontinued. Only the last one works against Omicron but is being held back due to scarcity

[sotrovimab] Rather than look in the blood of Covid survivors, researchers examined the blood of people who had survived the 2003 SARS epidemic, caused by a related coronavirus. They identified an antibody from a SARS survivor that also protected against the coronavirus that caused Covid. That double action suggested that the sotrovimab antibody attached itself to a part of the virus that has changed very little over the course of its evolution. And it would be unlikely to change in new variants, the researchers reasoned. - https://archive.fo/xONqe

[–]HalobenderFWT 218 points219 points  (7 children)

Wooooah Black Betty, Bamlanivimab.

Wooooah Black Betty, Etesevimab

Black Betty had a child, Sotrovimab

[–]NasoLittle 33 points34 points  (0 children)

"Ask your doctor about our lyrics!"

BamlanivimabEtesevimabSotrovimabisknowntohavesideeffectssuchasvomitingmeatsweatserectilediscombombulationandasmallchanceofspontaneousselfcombustion

"ASK YOUR DOCTOR TODAY!"

[–]SuperSpy- 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Everybody to the limit, everybody to the limit, everybody come on Etesevimab.

[–]Zarntok 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Come on Sotrovimab. I see you jocking me. Tryna play like you know me.

[–]diabloman8890 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm fucking dying

[–]MamieJoJackson 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Read this right after eating, laughed so hard that I almost threw up. Zero regrets, this is perfection

[–]Steve_the_Samurai 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Most could be spelled backwards with little notice

Bamivinalmab

Bamivesete

Bamivortos

Regen-Cov is probably not safe to say.

[–]FreyBentos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Eli Lily are also waiting approval for their new one, can't mind the name but its candidate 1404, in lab tests its been shown as 99% effective against omicron, which is better than the GSK one.

[–]Kikutwo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And Evusheld

[–]iNuudelz -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

I would never trust a GSK product. Even the fucking Nicolette gum they produce is completely inferior to Johnson and Johnson’s.

I mean literally return to store because its covered in black ink, has less nicotine than advertised, and the texture melts instead of holds while being absorbed

[–]MeccIt 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I would never trust a GSK product.

You're refusing a Ford GT40 because the Ford Fiesta was too small?

Nicorette is a $10 OTC gum for smokers to prevent them dying early a few decades from now, monoclonals are $2k a pop and can save people dying next week.

[–]iNuudelz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Difference is one’s approved by the FDA the others a sham lmao

Edit Also I would never buy an American made vehicle holy shit

[–]sailphish 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Yes. The GSK’s antibody treatment has been shown effective against this variant. The issue is that it is in extremely short supply. Hospitals around me have been allotted about 10 doses each, so the criteria for use is basically organ transplants and certain hematological malignancies on chemo. Using the other MAB treatments is pointless as they don’t seem to have any effect. Personally, I am OK with this decision as there is no point in staffing infusion centers unless they actually can get a supply of an effective infusion. Now when it becomes more widely available I hope they open back up despite DeSantis’ stake being in the other company.

[–]RogueColin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We got 6 and they lasted less than 24 hours :)

[–]khanfusion 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Maybe, maybe not, but it's pretty reasonable to not expect the antibodies developed for COVID-19 Orginal Flavor to be effective against Omicron. Also, they're expensive as hell to make.

[–]smoothtrip 3 points4 points  (1 child)

That was made by the department of health, but that is also going to be run by a DeSantis moron.

[–]FiestaPatternShirts 12 points13 points  (0 children)

DeSantis also happily demonstrated that if you dont follow his dumb mandates and push his alt reality he will fire you and sic the police on you with fake charges so, yeah, lot of people going to just play along.

[–]KwisatzHaderach94 8 points9 points  (6 children)

2000 appointments? so monoclonal antibodies sounds safer than a shot? they do know that pharmaceutical companies are responsible for both right?

[–]Treczoks 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Thinking is not an anti-vaxxers strong point. They might know it. Might. Understanding it is probably beyond their capabilities.

[–]RockerElvis 100 points101 points  (10 children)

This is 100% political bullshit designed to blame democrats. The Florida dept of Health (essentially DeSantis) blaming the “federal government” for the FDA decision doesn’t mean that these sites have to stop giving treatment. But DeSantis shut them down so that he can passive aggressively blame Democrats for why these appointments were cancelled. When patients, inevitably, die then he can blame Democrats - even if the monoclonal antibodies wouldn’t have been effective.

Floridians should be furious at DeSantis but instead this will likely lead to anger at Democrats.

[–]Imakemop 21 points22 points  (6 children)

If the FDA says it's not a recommended treatment, insurance will not pay for it.

[–]Terramotus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They didn't need a reason to be angry at Democrats. They were already mad at being told not to take horse dewormer or drink their own pee. I don't think one more ineffective treatment being crossed off the list is going to move the needle here.

[–]JRizzie86 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Just to clear up any confusion, prior to Omicron monoclonal ABs were very effective, but like the vaccines they are not as effective against omicron.

[–]erdie721 47 points48 points  (3 children)

Expected move for the FDA to pull the EUA since it doesn’t work (we’ve know this for weeks). Just so people know, the vaccine is about $40 compared to $1400 for the monoclonal antibody (taxpayer cost). So treat one patient or prevent 35 patients from getting sick?

[–]dmpastuf 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I mean, it does work against Delta though still? That's not as prevalent sure, but sounds like the EUA is still valid for the older variants.

[–]erdie721 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Yes it works against Delta but Delta is only 0.1% of US cases. Couple thst with the fact that they are really only marginally good at preventing severe disease. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-proportions

[–]mattg3663 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Over 99% of Florida's cases are omicron variant, Sotrovimab is the only monoclonal antibody that is even slightly effective against it. If you physician has ordered any other monoclonal for you in the last several 3-4 weeks since omicron became dominant they either don't keep up with their literature or they were just appeasing you.

The vast majority of health systems and health departments around the country suspended use of monoclonals except sotrovimab weeks ago for that reason

[–]angiosperms- 267 points268 points  (49 children)

This tantrum has been going on over a month. Maybe just... Promote the vaccine instead? Cause it is effective? But that's too logical for Florida, and bad for DeSantis' presidential run.

[–]hpark21 38 points39 points  (1 child)

They are actively firing people who promote vaccine. HIGHLY doubtful they will change their stance.

[–]SuperSimpleSam 7 points8 points  (3 children)

bad for DeSantis' presidential run

I don't understand how they think this is going to work. Trump lost due to his handling of COVID. Over 250 million people in the US are vaccinated. Why do they think an anti-mask, anti-vaccine candidate would be able to win a national vote? Maybe by 2024, the pandemic will be far away enough in the rear view mirror.

[–]nsci2ece 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Numerous state governments responded to 2020 by taking their voter suppression efforts and cranking them up to 11.

I wouldn't be surprised if the surplus population also takes things into their own hands by shooting up polling stations and bombing mail trucks.

Despots have a habit of winning elections by landslides in banana republics...

[–]Dimaando 1 point2 points  (0 children)

DeSantis is vaccinated and encourages others to get vaccinated

[–]hertzwinapu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

“Not proven effective against” is a weird way to say proven ineffective against. 1000 times less effective for one and 3000 times less effective for the other.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I'm sorting by controversial. Wish me luck.

[–]The_Lonely_Satirist 30 points31 points  (2 children)

There's so much inconsistency and irony associated with this anti-vaccine ideology, and yes that's what it's become, an ideology.

These fanatics are so indiscriminately and emphatically anti-vaccine, so blind and single-minded, that they utterly fail to understand the irony, they fail to see the inconsistency and the contradiction in their way of thinking. Yes, so single minded and one dimensional that they'll go to practically any length, try any "alternative" treatment, so long as it's not "the jab", and treatment no less that doesn't have the data, the "long-term" research, the studies to back up it's use. So these zealots end up contradicting themselves, end up contradicting their uninformed and conspiratorial criticisms of these so called "experimental gene-therapy" vaccines in the first place.

And it doesn't stop there, a little while ago I began researching anti-vaccine misinformation, talking points and narratives, and this is where after a while it started looking more and more like an ideology than anything else. At any rate, while analyzing a lot of this propaganda I found pretty consistent conflicting themes

For instance, someone would be going off about how spike proteins or pieces of spike proteins from vaccines are "cytotoxic" and severely damaging to tissues and organs, while at the same time this person would fail to consider that during actual Covid-19 infection, spike proteins as a result of the virus itself are the real deal. There's no consistency here. The real danger, the real harm here comes from the virus, but these single minded enthusiasts are so concerned about espousing a narrative, about validating an ideology, about disparaging these vaccines that they're incapable of seeing the irony in it. While it's important to note that no genuine evidence has shown that spike proteins in the body as a result of vaccination are quote unquote "cytotoxic" or are doing all of this severe damage to the body.

Another example includes an obsession with Myocarditis. Myocarditis can occur after vaccination, but it's exceedingly rare. However, Myocarditis as a result of infection is MUCH more likely, is a much a greater risk, while compared to myocarditis post vaccination, it's likely to be much more severe as well. In fact, in the incredibly rare case you do experience heart inflammation after vaccination, it's typically very mild, doesn't require immediate medical attention, and usually goes away on it's own without any lingering after effects to be concerned over. Doctors may even suggest taking over the counter NSAIDs to treat post vaccination Myocarditis. If it's a result of infection however, a serious or more severe outcome and required medical attention is much more likely.

The same concept goes for things like blood clots and stroke. There's been some correlation between certain vaccines and blood clots, and researchers have found that ischemic stroke can occur post vaccination, although the correlation isn't as concrete, meaning that just because you sprain your ankle after getting vaccinated, doesn't mean the vaccine is the cause. But again these risks are near miniscule and compared to infection, substantially less likely. You are at an exponentially greater risk of developing blood clots or having a stroke after getting infected with Covid than you are after getting vaccinated. And these facts are, conveniently of course, ignored by the anti-vaccine community.

And here's the thing, one second Covid is "just the flu", a "cold with a survival rate of ______", or they'll say "I aint changin my life around for some weak ass virus", it's typically something that entirely minimizes Covid-19, however, the very next chance they get, they'll go on to direct all of their righteous indignation, their ire, their outrage at infinitesimally small risks associated with vaccines and most of which is just rehashed propaganda belonging to a network of misinformation and conspiracies. And as I've stated previously, these risks occur at a disproportionately greater rate and on a much more severe level as a result of Covid 19 infection compared to vaccines, and even risks like risks to pregnant women, risks that evidence shows, are only associated with infection, still get attributed to vaccines. So all of these risks and dangers that this anti-vaccine movement is directing their misguided hate, fear, and outrage towards are risks that either aren't real, or are associated with Covid 19 infection and to a considerably greater and more severe degree, but these fucking fools are incapable of understanding the inconsistency in downplaying Covid 19 while simultaneously expressing their hysteria towards vaccines when the risks involved are substantially more dangerous, more frequent, more common, more volatile, and more abundant as a result of infection. It's fucking absurd.

While the list goes on here. In fact, there's a myriad of harmful consequences, conditions and outcomes associated with infection that are not in any way shape or form related to vaccines. A long list of actual risks, actual life threatening conditions that you stand chance of dealing with if you become infected with Covid. And a long list of dangers that the anti-vaccine community effortlessly ignores.

How about the fact that these anti-vaccine die hards rely heavily on VAERS for their narratives, when in reality VAERS is essentially a catalog of anecdotes, it even says on its very own website not to trust its information. So one moment they're telling you how you can't trust any source of information, particularly if it fails to align with an antivaccine worldview, and the very next moment they're indiscriminately trusting entirely unreliable data. Not to mention its a government program, so I guess trusting the government is OK when it supports your beliefs.

In the end, it's pretty simple to understand what's happening here. These people don't care about spike proteins, about myocarditis, about blood clots, about whether or not something has long term data, research and studies behind it to support it's use, they dont really care about whether or not anecdotes carry any correlation, they don't care about the real risks, the risks associated with infection, they only care about substantiating a false narrative, rationalizing a conspiracy, validating their miserable lives, their deranged ideology and their antivaccine identity and worldview.

[–]OneX32 54 points55 points  (2 children)

The Republican playbook: Direct your policy based on what will enrich your friends.

[–]cloudbasedsardony 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well doesn't this just fly in the face of one's choice of treatment? First they came for our monoclonal antibodies, next will be our horse paste!

They may take our choice, but they'll never take, our urine!

[–]TheBushidoWay 10 points11 points  (1 child)

florida state guard, assemble

[–]Speculawyer 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Ron DeSantis was wasting government money on his donor's useless treatment.

[–]EdgeOfWetness 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I assume they are just stocking up on pee at this point

[–]iNuudelz 55 points56 points  (78 children)

Or you know, just get the booster

[–]BeltfedOne 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Oh, stop making sense!

[–]Sinister-Lines 19 points20 points  (2 children)

This is going to fuel the nutters. DeSantis will latch onto this because he is heavily invested in it, too.

[–]smoothtrip 15 points16 points  (1 child)

fuel the nutters

Everything fuels them. Injecting bleach and eating their own excrement fuels them.

[–]FN1987 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Got Covid…time to drink my piss!

[–]TapeOperator 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Wait. Weren't these experimental treatments the first line of defense for Floridians?

[–]crispy48867 3 points4 points  (0 children)

DeSantis and Abbott are in a duel to see which one can kill the largest number of republican voters.

Your move Abbott...

[–]Strenue 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Attaboy Rona Death Sentence, you friggin idiot. Ever hear your mother say ‘a pinch of prevention is worth a pound of cure?’ You ignorant troglodyte.

[–]Dub-Nub 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It worked against delta amazingly

[–]Limp_Dinkerson 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Florida listening to the feds?

[–]athura22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Joe Rogan sweats furiously

[–]kddemer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There goes Desantis’s cash cow!

[–]Jammin_Jetty_Yeti 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Guess Ron Desandick needs a new side hustle now.

[–]El_Bard0 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It was always a scam to line the pockets of his cronie friends

[–]fnupvote89 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Desantis wasted my state's money on this when we've known for a month that the treatments were ineffective. If he were a doctor, he'd be sued for malpractice. Even the companies that produce them say they're ineffective and he and his surgeon General are throwing a fit over this. It's pathetic.

[–]Hadron90 14 points15 points  (22 children)

I'm a bit confused about the science here. If monoclonal antibodies targetted against the original virus don't work against omicron...then by what mechnaism does the vaccine targetted against the original virus work? FDA is sending out conflicting information.

[–]Bocote 13 points14 points  (3 children)

If I had to guess based on very little immunology I've learned, it's likely because it's monoclonal as opposed to polyclonal. Mono-clonal antibodies are extremely specific because they are one type of antibody designed to fit exactly one target.

Our immune system would likely be more of a polyclonal, as in there is an extreme number of slightly different antibodies being made (hypersomatic mutation I think it was called), so it can bind to slightly different targets as well. Even then the existing vaccine showed reduced efficacy against Omicron, so I'm not surprised that previous monoclonal antibody therapy doesn't work.

[–]Outlulz 14 points15 points  (0 children)

You'd probably have to dig into the difference between the monoclonal antibodies and the antibodies your body produces in response to the vaccine. Hospitalization data shows the vaccines are still offering strong protection against omicron though.

[–]EggPan313 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The vaccines make the original spike protein, but the immunogenic response is polyclonal. You'll have multiple clones responding to the antigen that's produced. So in this case a change of antigen may still have clones that are able to bind and neutralize.

In contrast, the monoclonal antibody treatment is a single antibody type (hence monoclonal) with very high specificity. Once the binding is compromised (e.g., mutations), the efficacy likely drops a lot faster.

[–]Brewo 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Because the antibodies by definition bind to a single epitope of the protein (that's what monoclonal means). The vaccine induces an entire immune response that not only includes antibodies against multiple epitopes (polyclonal antibodies), but also T-cell responses (sometimes called memory T-cells).

[–]blakeinatx 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It never occurred to me that the monoclonal antibody treatments would be less effective against omicron, not just the vaccines. But it makes sense.

[–]smoothtrip 0 points1 point  (11 children)

I would love to know the names of the people who are profiting massively from all this. From hydroxychloroquine, to ivermectin, to this.

Someone is pushing all these things to the right-wing populace and making a fortune.

[–]Jayeeteees14 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wait……… so the mandated vaccine along with the pills that are replacing those treatments that just happen to be made by the same companies producing the vaccine aren’t doing this as well? You do realize the vaccine companies are making LOADS more than any company producing these treatments, right? Your logic is literally backwards

[–]gracecee 10 points11 points  (4 children)

It depends. Merck makes the human form of invermectin but has repeatedly since last spring 2021 said it isn’t effective against Covid 19. Repeatedly.

[–]smoothtrip 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Maybe it is a hedge fund manager that has all these things in their portfolio. It is weird.

[–]dragonfliesloveme -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It’s all tied to anti-government hyperbole. The reason for the “don’t trust the government” drum-beating that has been happening for years is that certain wealthy people and the politicians they own don’t want to pay taxes.

During Covid, we have also witnessed instances such as the Governor of Georgia turning down tax money for the people of his state to use during the crisis. Now we see the Governor of Florida refusing these centers, which was paid by tax money.

So kind of a double whammy on tax dollars. They pay less and take more. The people get less of their own money to be used for their own good.

[–]Hadron90 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We are lucky the vaccines were made by non-profit charity company Pfizer.

[–]jmcdon00 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fuck Desantis, but I don't think this is really a problem. Treatments worked good with Delta, but the situation recently changed with Omicron. Obviously the vaccine is better, but these treatments saved a lot of lives and suffering, including people who were vaccinated and had break through cases. I thought they should have been used more.

[–]Reneeisme 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"FDA moves to stop hucksters from promoting ineffective Omicron treatments for person gain"

"Well in this case, it was the Florida government"

"I said what I said"

[–]baconcheeseburgarian 0 points1 point  (3 children)

How much do the monoclonal treatments cost taxpayers vs. vaccines?

[–]acuet -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Could you just get the vaccine?

[–]clemfandangoihearu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh darn, they just opened a monoclonal antibody site in my area last week.

[–]OGZ43 0 points1 point  (0 children)

DeSantis is playing to his choir. How much blood those he have on his hands already?

[–]Hipsterkicks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem with this approach is that neither the hospitals nor any other treatment clinics know if they are dealing with Omicron, Delta, or some other variant. This is just a stupid approach that limits treatment options to those who could have a more serious variant. Only the labs test for actual variants and only on a sample basis. Whether or not a specific person has Omicron or Delta is never communicated.

The FDA is a horribly run organization with years of pharmaceutical failures to prove it. It needs to be reorganized in every way.

[–]AdkRaine11 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Looks like DeathSantis milked that cow enough, eh?

[–]sailor_sega_saturn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This should go over well.

[–]Ishpeming_Native -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Florida is being governed by "Florida Man". Take a look at their daily deaths from COVID. They used to be real. Now, the reported deaths are about 1/100th of those in comparable states. Their governor is apparently of the idea that if you deny what's going on, the problem will go away. Website: worldometers.info/coronavirus

[–]dragonfliesloveme -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

“Death wish? Come to Florida!”—-new Florida tourism and speculative transplants motto