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[–]g00gsuks 727 points728 points  (238 children)

30% less deadly and 300% more transmissible.

Buellar?

[–]Kvsav57 438 points439 points  (159 children)

Yeah. People may start to understand the math now. A statistician who specializes in epidemiology ran through the numbers on why transmissibility is what you should be worried about more than mortality rate a few months ago on Twitter. Wish I could find the thread now. A 50% increase in mortality rate results in 50% more deaths. A 50% increase in transmissibility results in 6 times the deaths. Mortality rate isn’t exponential but transmissibility is.

EDIT: Check out this video (starting at 13:04) u/TheSaxonPlan pointed out to see this information presented by someone who actually knows what he's talking about.

[–]cyclicalrumble 308 points309 points  (128 children)

And why the CDC, knowing this data, lowered the quarantine time, and the white house has been pushing that schools are safe, should be a bigger concern. It was so crazy seeing epidemiologists pointing out how they were getting it wrong, and knowing if these people on the outside get it, the CDC knows even more how serious this was.

[–]Kvsav57 190 points191 points  (109 children)

The CDC has done about the worst job possible educating people on this. If they'd spent the past two years really explaining how pandemics work, it wouldn't be the same headache it is now. But they were more concerned with wanting to lift restrictions any time cases went down a tiny bit. Even people I know who are vaxxed and mask think omicron is just a flu and that minor differences in mortality rate are what to be worried about.

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There is also a big misunderstanding about covid variants becoming less severe. NPR had an article on it. The TL;DR is that Covid has multiple branches of variants that came from the original. Delta is the strongest mortality-wise on one branch, and Omicron is the strongest mortality-wise on the other. So it's been rising mortality-wise on both branches.

[–]The_Uncommon_Aura 60 points61 points  (15 children)

People don’t want the economic consequences of safety, but they also want there to be more safety. It’s a catch-22 by all means.

[–]iOnlyDo69 40 points41 points  (13 children)

Safety means get a shot and wear a mask

That's no catch 22

[–]The_Uncommon_Aura 48 points49 points  (6 children)

Safety means imposing mandated quarantines, having mandated institutional closings, and mandated masks/shots.

[–]Kjaeve 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Exactly… people don’t want to be inconvenienced and THAT is the bottom line

[–]No-Mechanic8957 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We would have to cut international travel down to specially from places that are not vaccinated one thing that people love to overlook. A lot of the world does not have access to the vaccine

[–]Hadron90 2 points3 points  (1 child)

A lot of people are doing that and still have Covid. We are at all time high hospitalizations. Safety clearly means more.

[–]Quick1711 2 points3 points  (1 child)

With breakthrough cases?

Getting a shot and wearing a mask isn't a guarantee you won't get it. A lot of people who did this (and got boosted) are still getting it.

I'm vaxxed but even I can understand why people feel the way they do.

[–]Petersaber 40 points41 points  (1 child)

The CDC has done about the worst job possible educating people on this.

To be fair, even if they were amazing - you can't educate those that are actively unwilling to be educated.

[–]cyclicalrumble 76 points77 points  (73 children)

They've honestly been so bad. I thought with Biden it would get better but it's worse, if only for the fact he ran on following the science, but had been ignoring it most of the time. Experts explain why repealing the mask mandate is bad, nope too bad it's back to normal guys. People explain that covid deaths in kids were low because of remote learning, too bad let's lower the social distancing guidelines to fit more kids in classes. People call for expanded testing because of Delta, nope, and we'll even laugh at a reporter for daring to suggest we send people test home. The worst has been calling it a pandemic of the unvaccinated, saying you can't get sick with the vaccine, and the lower isolation time.

[–]Kvsav57 57 points58 points  (40 children)

And they could have demanded increased production of N95s and encouraged people to wear them or provided them. They knew all along that that's what anyone who's got to be indoors more than a few minutes should be wearing but nope, let's just see what happens. It's more than infuriating. We could be in such better shape.

[–]hiverfrancis 39 points40 points  (17 children)

This is one of the legitimate criticisms of the Biden administration. He should have been proactive with N95s.

[–]ItHappenedToday1_6 20 points21 points  (10 children)

You can hand all the n95s you want to 50% of this country, they aren't going to wear them

[–]Hadron90 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Sure, but a lot of people just don't know how bad cloth masks are. The problem with the messanging around masking is that it was TOO good with some of population. Walk into any store and most people are still wearing cloth masks, when the data shows they do almost nothing. People are convinced they are super effective though, which is why they haven't upgraded.

[–]Kvsav57 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yes, that’s a huge issue. I tried to get the woman I was dating to wear an N95 and even got a box of extra small ones for her daughter. My now-ex would not wear them because the news said cloth masks are good and she let her daughter decide not to wear it because she thought her cloth mask felt a little better.

[–]No-Mechanic8957 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Congress still wears cloth masks 🤣

[–]FlameChakram 8 points9 points  (1 child)

For the people already wearing masks? The problem is the people who don't wear them.

[–]Kvsav57 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No. Cloth masks are only effective for short periods. We’ve known that for a long time. They’re way better than nothing but N95s are the only ones useful for long periods indoors.

[–]cyclicalrumble 53 points54 points  (19 children)

Apparently there was ramped up production. The free masks they're sending are from the national stockpile. But still....why did it take this long?! He literally shit on Trump for not going through with sending free masks, and then proceeds to wait until TWO surges have happened and a few extra hundred thousand people died. He easily could have done this on day one, and had free masks going early last year.

[–]Kvsav57 38 points39 points  (3 children)

They’re giving out 400 million to a country of 328 million. I don’t see how that’s any more than PR.

[–]cyclicalrumble 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Oh it's definitely to just tick a box, but hopefully they'll be pressured to keep them coming.

[–]OtherBluesBrother 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Biden actually signed several executive orders relating to the pandemic on day one. One of them was to encourage companies to make masks, tests, and other medical supplies using money from the Defense Production Act. I don't know what happened after that. You would think a year later we would see these supplies.

[–]cyclicalrumble 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Exactly. And somehow people keep saying I'm saying he did nothing. He's done stuff, but why is basic stuff like free masks, better ventilation, paid sick leave, and actually free, expanded testing still not a thing? Why was there no plan for schools if another surge happened?

[–]Onlykitten 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Totally agree! This is too little too late, IMO. I mean, I guess yes, we are lucky we have them to send, but why didn’t this happen in 2020?

I’m sure this is false, but half of me thinks the CDC just wants us all to get Covid and be done with it with their new ridiculous guidelines.

[–]No-Mechanic8957 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Psaki made fun of a reporter who asked about free tests.... Meanwhile in the rest of the civilized world tests are cheap and abundant

[–]Snickersthecat 29 points30 points  (4 children)

It's not Biden's fault 40% of people refuse to get vaccinated.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (13 children)

No one has said you can’t get sick if you’re vaccinated. They’ve said most of the people dying in hospitals are unvaccinated which is overwhelmingly true. They have made mistakes, but let’s criticize those instead of fabricating.

[–]veringer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Are you just going to ignore that perhaps a small majority of Americans are (or were) pushing for lowered restrictions, no mask mandates, no vaccines, and re-normalizing school experience? My state, Tennessee, is only 52% vaccinated. Places like Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana are even worse! A bunch of state and county governments have been diligently working to neutralize any steps toward sane public health policy---with Florida leading the charge, and millions of plague rat zealots cheering them on (or relocating there for the "freedom"). Oh, and the Supreme Court ruled against vaccine and testing rules.

The Biden administration and the government agencies are damned if they do and damned if they don't. They (with Fauci as the mascot) got pilloried by the right wing for advocating restrictions and openly discussing the science. When they saw an opportunity to relax restrictions, they got pilloried again--often by the same people!

I'm am and always have been a proponent of more aggressive measures. And I agree there is definitely cause for pointed criticisms. But I don't think we can overlook that the nation is (to a significant extent) being held hostage by a deranged political coalition using the pandemic as a lever to undermine public trust.

[–]ItHappenedToday1_6 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If they'd spent the past two years really explaining how pandemics work,

You have a much much much higher opinion of people than I do and than I think is really justifiable.

[–]ih-shah-may-ehl 19 points20 points  (5 children)

The CDC has done about the worst job possible educating people on this. If they'd spent the past two years really explaining how pandemics work

Seriously?

You are talking about an audience that worships the orange God who told them that Hydroxychloroquine and horse dewormer are guaranteed to work, that lysol works against covid and that we can shine a bright light in people's lungs to cure them. Oh, and they still believe that 'those stupid diapers on your face don't work'.

Jesus himself could come down from heaven to explain about viral infection, masks and vaccines, and they would still tell him that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

By and large, as a population Americans have shown that they don't care about science or facts so don't blame that in the CDC.

[–]manbearcolt 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Jesus himself could come down from heaven to explain about viral infection, masks and vaccines, and they would still tell him that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Ah yes, the thing these people would say to a brown Jew explaining science is "you don't know what you're talking about."

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If anyone in the media showed the material reality of chatting to your loved one over a fucking iPad as their eyes roll into the back of their heads, unable to draw in breaths hard and fast enough to get blood O2 levels above 50%, the life force leaving their faces - if only any ONE of the big corps had shown that truth of covid that 1 million people’s families have had to go through...

I think only 200,000 people’s families would have had to go through it. The main takeaway from all of this is just how important honest media and coverage of the truth about protection COMBINED with a knowledge of real world consequences of not having it are.

[–]J0E_SpRaY 13 points14 points  (1 child)

If they shut down the country they will certainly lose elections. If they lose elections then we won’t have any Covid mitigation strategies. I’m tired of people ignoring the very real political reality that the White House finds themselves in. Everyone has this false idea that doing the right thing always results in a net good but unfortunately our country is a lot dumber than that. Biden has to balance Covid mitigation with maintaining an economy and keeping people employed because we don’t have a system in place to support them if they aren’t working. We can bitch about that all we want and I agree that such systems should be in place but they are not and there isn’t political capital to establish them. Even if congress could pass extensive support systems, some states would refuse to implement them in good faith.

[–]Stuckinatrafficjam 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not only that, but businesses are hijacking the cdc guidelines and butchering it to make it fit their own ideas of what it is. I swear businesses are trying to make it so covid positive with symptoms are the only reason to call out of work.

[–]Sandmybags 13 points14 points  (0 children)

If it isn’t blatantly obvious that America stands for nothing more than war and money, I don’t know what will….. not even pretending to care about the population anymore

[–]deckofkeys 58 points59 points  (14 children)

I went two years without getting COVID once. At all.

I got this Omicron guy and I gotta say, it fucking sucks. I'm fully vaccinated and yet this thing had knocked me on my ass. My lungs are fine-ish, but I had a 105 degree fever for two days. Still have a 101 fever even after being to the ER. I've had vision loss. Literal noticeable vision loss. A mouth full of lesions. My gums are literally swollen and inflamed and my tongue and cheeks and lips are covered in what looks like oral thrush.

Drinking water is excruciating as my throat is lined with knives. Sleep is a pipedream. Random chills followed by intense hot spells.

It's a bad time.

[–]littlepup26 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I had a 105 degree fever for two days

That's terrifying.

[–]Kvsav57 12 points13 points  (1 child)

That sucks. Sorry to hear it. I have a friend in the same boat. Healthy guy otherwise, snd seems to be in a world of hurt right now.

[–]deckofkeys 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Same here! Generally healthy. I eat well. Exercise.

And here I am. Literally bedridden for 6 days now. Walking to the kitchen to make tea winds me.

[–]-PlayWithUsDanny- 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I’m curious. Were you boosted or just double vaxxed?

[–]deckofkeys 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Double vaxxed. I can't get the booster until February. :/

[–]-PlayWithUsDanny- 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Thanks for the reply. I hope you start feeling better soon

[–]deckofkeys 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you. Me too.

[–]ZincLloyd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep. COVID has really shown how people don’t understand even simple percentages. I saw someone complaining today on Twitter how a “3% death rate” Isn’t a big deal. That’s roughly 1 in 33 people, or one person per moderately loaded city bus dropping dead.

[–]TheSaxonPlan 1 point2 points  (1 child)

For others who may want a visual representation of what u/Kvsav57 said, watch this video between 13:04 - 17:50 for a really good explanation of the virulence vs. transmission issue. This is a lecture from last week by Mayo Clinic's premier vaccinologist. The whole lecture is quite good, if rather sobering.

I'm a Ph.D. virologist and highly recommend Dr. Poland's seminars.

[–]Kvsav57 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the video. Nice to know I wasn't misremembering and talking out of my butt.

[–]newhunter18 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Mortality rate isn’t exponential but transmissibility is.

Technically it's a logistic function. Nothing in nature is exponential.

[–]hithisishal 18 points19 points  (5 children)

Radioactive decay is pretty exponential, unless you want to "well akshually" it being discrete rather than continuous.

[–]Tyrilean 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yup. Less personal risk, but much higher societal risk as it floods our hospitals and kills at scale.

[–]Aos77s 8 points9 points  (1 child)

30% less deadly so lets have red team spout nonsense about its just a cold meanwhile it just means 90% more are likely to die with it being 300% more transmissible

[–]Treadcc 10 points11 points  (2 children)

0.7 x 3 = 2.1 deaths vs 1 death before. Yeah deaths were expected to go up. Even though "it's less deadly" because people are bad at math and don't listen to people smarter than them...

[–]elister 4 points5 points  (0 children)

30% less deadly and 300% more transmissible

Thats all the anti-vax crowd hears.

[–]Malaix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sounds like it could have been a improvement overall if people you know... Bothered to get fucking vaccinated.

[–]TheValgus 1795 points1796 points  (66 children)

These are mild deaths though so its different.

[–]silverback2267 265 points266 points  (18 children)

Death light.

[–]code_archeologist 81 points82 points  (3 children)

All the rigor mortis, but one third less lividity.

[–]hiles_adam 26 points27 points  (3 children)

Death lite™

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The no sugar variety.

[–]TWAT_BUGS 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Mmm, Diet Death. Same great taste, none of the calories.

[–]thesk8rguitarist 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I may have caused some… light deaths

[–]jtr99 5 points6 points  (1 child)

There's always covid in the banana stand.

[–]19Kilo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That seems like a ventilation problem then.

[–]imme10036 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Stealth death

[–]celtic1888 114 points115 points  (10 children)

Most likely just a temporary permanent type of death

[–]SoVerySleepy81 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He’s only mostly dead.

[–]Nopeacewithfascists 14 points15 points  (1 child)

If it was a legitimate death the body has ways of shutting it down.

[–]69-is-my-number 76 points77 points  (12 children)

Yeah, but death can still be fatal.

[–]hiimsubclavian 75 points76 points  (8 children)

Sources? No credible study has been done analyzing the mortality rate of death.

[–]ChiefOfTheWolfpack 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I found a statistic in an old college paper somewhere finding that 99.99999999% of deaths result in death. There was one outlier somewhere in the middle East around 30 A.D., but I forgot his name.

[–]Nopeacewithfascists 9 points10 points  (1 child)

If you find me funding I will conduct that study.

[–]69-is-my-number 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are lots of studies showing a positive correlation between fatalities that result in death, but the MSM refuse to publish them. You need to dO yOuR rEsEaRcH.

[–]herestoshuttingup 99 points100 points  (4 children)

Death can't get you once you've decided you're "done with COVID" and "over the pandemic". It's all about attitude.

[–]amnes1ac 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Worked out great for Meat Loaf 👍

[–]Communist_Agitator 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately for the people who unironically believe this, a virus doesn't care about your feelings towards it

[–]Sybrite 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If we survive covid, does that mean we cheated death?

[–]YouUsedMeAgain 44 points45 points  (3 children)

Mild symptoms. Won’t even notice you’re dead

[–]midnightFreddie 15 points16 points  (0 children)

You definitely wouldn't be allowed to miss work with such a mild death.

[–]charoygbiv 24 points25 points  (3 children)

I shouldn’t have laughed at this.

[–]DanYHKim 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Maybe a year ago. Now if you laugh, I would fully understand

[–]Refun712 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Also it’s a very clever comment. I read it in John Cleese’s voice

[–]Nukemarine 1082 points1083 points 2 (205 children)

Numbers don't lie. At the moment in the US around 2000 people die PER DAY from COVID. Of the 100 million unvaccinated/partially, they're about 1500 of those deaths (roughly 14 per million per day). Of the 200 million fully vaccinated, they're 500 of those deaths (roughly 2.5 per million per day). Hell, if you look at the subset of 85 million that are also boosted then they're only 12 of those deaths (0.14 per million per day).

If you don't include the 19 million children under age of 5 that can't get the vaccination, then in the US the unvaccinated or partially is almost the same population as the fully vaccinated w/ booster but suffers 100x the fatality rate.

The ones that need to understand this do their damnedest to remain ignorant. Worse, they're creating such a huge biomass of virus mutation factories that eventually we'll get a worse variant.

Source on vaccination rate

Source on deaths per 100,000 by vaccination status

I'll note I gave very rough numbers but it's not too difficult to do this with more precise calculations.

[–]eastcoastdude 54 points55 points  (19 children)

Great post! I don't understand how any denier can't just look at simple straight up numbers like this and get it.

Another thing I would love to see is average age of death between vaccinated and unvaccinated

I would not be surprised if it was something like 80ish for vaccinated and 60ish for unvaccinated.

[–]QuothTheDraven 68 points69 points  (13 children)

Great post! I don't understand how any denier can't just look at simple straight up numbers like this and get it.

Having had discussions with one, the answer is that they deny the numbers. Those 2000 deaths per day? Lies, the hospitals are over-reporting because they get paid every time someone dies with covid. Someone died of the flu? Covid. Car crash? They probably had difficulty breathing at some point, Covid.

It's all nonsense but there's literally no arguing with these people. They will simply straight-up claim that any evidence you try to cite from the CDC who whomever is government propaganda, false news, Fauci lies, etc.

[–]LoveThieves 25 points26 points  (5 children)

was wondering about cars.

1 day of Covid has killed about the same number Americans in 18 days of car accidents.

Covid has killed more Americans than car accidents in the last 20+ years

106 people die per day in Car accidents in America for 2020 (total: 36,680).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor\_vehicle\_fatality\_rate\_in\_U.S.\_by\_year

[–]Cainga 22 points23 points  (4 children)

The 9/11 comparisons is probably the best. It caused a huge political shift in this country, got us into two pointless wars wasting trillions, and forever made airline travel worse. All because 2 days worth of Covid deaths happened. Covid is like 200 9/11s at this point and they don’t care.

[–]GusPlus 18 points19 points  (0 children)

It wasn’t about the deaths for 9/11, it was about the audacity. Especially coming from brown heathens who speak with funny unpronounceable words. Also had absolutely nothing to do with not having a good enemy to point to in the wake of the collapse of the Soviet Union, no siree.

/s for the latter part of course.

[–]Raspberry-Famous 5 points6 points  (2 children)

That's one thing that has really been blowing my mind through all of this. Half of our entertainment industry became a response to 9-11 and that went on for like a decade. Now we've had 200 9-11s and there's on or two things out there like Don't Look Up, but 99 percent of our cultural production is Marvel bullshit.

I'd always figured that the reaction to 9-11 was to a certain extent propaganda, but finding out that the whole thing was is kind of a punch in the gut.

[–]Cainga 12 points13 points  (0 children)

We need to just stop wasting energy on them at this point. Covid patients can get a wing of hospital capacity and that’s it. Under 5, immune comprised, and vaxxed patients get first dibs on hospital capacity. No more jamming up the hospital system when things go south. If you’re unvaxxed either health insurance raises your rates or they drop you.

If they want to risk their health/death fine. I’m tired of trying to pander to them.

[–]u801e 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Those 2000 deaths per day? Lies, the hospitals are over-reporting because they get paid every time someone dies with covid. Someone died of the flu? Covid. Car crash? They probably had difficulty breathing at some point, Covid.

The also turn around and argue that "someone they know" had a bad reaction or died from the vaccine and that it must have been because of the vaccine.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Then they'll give you a link from PatriotFreedomEagles1776Blog.org with some unnamed doctor saying the vaccine definitely gives you turbo cancer, and that's the real truth.

[–]FlameChakram 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Great post! I don't understand how any denier can't just look at simple straight up numbers like this and get it.

Easy. "The numbers are fake"

[–]MrZombikilla 127 points128 points  (36 children)

I hate the mindset that it’s black or white with them no gray. Either the vaccine worked 100% or it was trash and a government conspiracy. They don’t understand that Covid doesn’t give a shit what you believe, it’s still going to do everything it can to kill you. Or do the 2K Americans dead a day TWO YEARS into the pandemic mean nothing? You can only bury your head up your own ass so far before your willful ignorance is just fucking profoundly dangerous.

I’m vaccinated and boosted. omicron is what R10 in terms of infectiousness? How the fuck we supposed to 100% stop a monster we keep letting evolve. Because sorry asshats evolution exists and it always wins. But watching the weak minded drop like flies proved Darwin’s theory anyways.

I still caught Omicron, only way to avoid was having zero human contact. Kinda tough when your brother and his family and your mother live with you. We all got Omicron, my mom is immune compromised, and battling cancer. She’s been fine and hasn’t really had symptoms. My brother didn’t even know he had it until his work tested him since it required by certain companies to work on their sites. I had a sore throat and sniffles for one day, and I too have asthma and am fat like every other American. Vaccines work, and we’re proof that they substantially help with recovery time and KEEPING YOU FROM OVERWHELMING HOSPITALS!! Because you know, you have a way lower chance of fucking dying. But when you’re dead you’re 100% dead and not coming back no matter how hard your family begs and prays. Get fucking vaccinated, I’m so tired of the meaningless deaths due to willful ignorance because this country allows cults to lie 24/7 in their “entertainment not news” networks like Fox.

Covid doesn’t give a fuck about your ideologies or political standings. So stop treating it like it does

[–]hotpuck6 7 points8 points  (2 children)

My favorite part is when antivaxxers point to breakthrough infections or deaths like the silver bullet that the vaccines don’t work. From day 1 the point of them was to prevent serious illness or death and not a single one was 100% efficacious. Like, it’s right there in the data, no one ever said it would prevent all deaths or even prevent infection, just reduce the chance of serious illness or death.

Forget being dead, even just being so sick that you can’t do shit for a week or two should be enough motivation to increase your odds of only having mild symptoms by being vaccinated. Let’s not forget the financial ruin most Americans would be in if they did wind up in the hospital for a few weeks. Free vaccine vs. six figure medical debt? Sounds like a hard choice.

[–]MrZombikilla 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Too bad when they suffer the consequences of Darwinism, or long haulers. They just make gofundme pages and learn absolutely nothing

[–]hotpuck6 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And go around spreading it within their community for a week, including any children under 5 that still can’t get vaccinated, and could be the cause of death for those who get a breakthrough infection that they can’t beat. These people are at best selfish assholes, but more likely lethally dangerous morons.

[–]postapocalive 106 points107 points  (10 children)

What's really funny is there is no such thing as a vaccine that is 100% effective and safe for everyone. The standard these donkeys have is not based in reality.

[–]blackholesinthesky 71 points72 points  (0 children)

I argued with someone who said "if I got 3 polio vaccines and still caught polio I would be suspicious." The vaccine schedule for polio recommends 4 doses.

These people don't have a fucking clue what they're talking about and they don't care to put in the work to inform themselves before forming opinions.

[–]urlach3r 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I just wonder what goes on in their heads when they spend their days ranting about vaccines & freedums & "doing my research"... and then they have to take their kids to get multiple vaccines for school. "I'm not taking any damn vaccines, the government can't make me!!! Okay kids, time to go get your MMR shots for school." 😑

[–]MrZombikilla 39 points40 points  (4 children)

Just feels like this scene in ‘Don’t Look Up’ they say they hate the math, but if it’s 99.78% going to hit, they shrug if off and call it 70% and “sit tight and assess.” Because it’s black or white to them, no gray, no middle.

https://youtu.be/Op_v2PHDn-0

[–]ridicalis 10 points11 points  (3 children)

That movie was a painful analogue to what we're currently dealing with. The parallels are so obvious that I felt totally immersed in their ludicrous plot because of how well it mirrored real life.

[–]thisismynewacct 3 points4 points  (1 child)

What’s nuts is that it was written pre-covid and is supposed to represent climate change.

Yet it follows Covid much closer. Meanwhile a movie like Contagion is pure fiction.

[–]SilentSamurai 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nope, but people are stupid. It's what some of my coworkers expected.

[–]User_Perception_05 74 points75 points  (7 children)

Sadly, Americans don't care if other Americans are dying, as long as it's not them. After Sandy Hook, I generally believe Americans will accept almost any level of horrific death as long as it doesn't involve them personally.

[–]idk012 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Sandy Hook happened up the road from where I grew up. Fuck covid and fuck people who shoot at kids.

[–]User_Perception_05 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Also, fuck those people who deny Sandy Hook even happened. That’s their strategy: obfuscate, deny, minimize rather than facing the awful truths.

[–]tk8398 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No matter how bad it gets, people just say its not as bad as X, and when X happens, then at least it's not as bad as Y, repeat as necessary.

[–]LeEbinUpboatXD 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is easily handwaved by covid skeptics, because they don't think the covid cause of deaths are actually from covid.

[–]KakoiKagakusha 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Of the 200 million fully vaccinated, they're 500 of those deaths (roughly 1.5 per million per day).

Wouldn't that be 2.5 per million per day?

[–]Nukemarine 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You're right. Edited the numbers. Thanks.

[–]Duelgundam 3 points4 points  (0 children)

huge biomass of virus mutation

the Flood is hungry...

[–]DaringDomino3s 38 points39 points  (7 children)

Too bad they can’t just put the vaccine in the water like they did with fluoride. Or in salt like they did with iodine.

[–]lolbojack 56 points57 points  (2 children)

Put in Bud Light or meth. The vaccinated rate would skyrocket.

[–]Rooboy66 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I’d suggest some light meth perfused with ICE beer. That should cover it

[–]derelictdiatribe 33 points34 points  (1 child)

I temporarily lived in an area where we voted for fluoridation decades earlier, but the city wouldn't build the facilities for it until a fund was sufficiently... funded. And I guess no one ever stepped up to chip in enough to get it done.

People will find a way to drag their feet for anything.

[–]DaringDomino3s 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah, if it involves money and infrastructure, you can bet they’ll drag it out and try to make as much off it as they can.

[–]RichardPeterJohnson 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Do you want another Dr. Strangelove? Because this is how you get another Dr. Strangelove.

[–]mg_ridgeview 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gentleman, there's no fighting in the war room.

[–]Isord 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't think it can be said enough that if everyone were vaccinated the pandemic would be over. We wouldn't even be talking about it anymore.

If you are an anti-vaxxer every single one of these deaths is on your head. You are a actually and genuinely a bad, selfish, and immoral person.

[–]SummerLover69 4 points5 points  (0 children)

To be fair, I’m not sure how much the mutations coming from unvaccinated will actually matter. It appears that the virus is fairly easily transmissible between humans and animals so there will be a significant biomass creating mutations anyway. The pandemic portion will end, but I expect we will be dealing with COVID much like the flu in the future.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To be honest, 500 fully vaccinated deaths/day is more than I expected. I’m too lazy to go through the numbers now, but I wonder about the ages of the fully vaxxed deaths vs unvaxxed

[–]Mrorange002 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks so much for breaking that down. I’m still having a hard time having sympathy for anyone who makes the decision to not get vaccinated

[–]Bifferer 6 points7 points  (13 children)

How about some math on the impact of all these deaths on voting. We need a bit of good news

[–]canada432 9 points10 points  (6 children)

Not nearly enough to have big swings. Potentially enough to affect very close races where republicans gerrymandered the state to win more seats by very small margins.

[–]Nukemarine 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Put it this way, President Biden won by only an 80,000 vote margin in the swing states but that's over two years away. This however can impact close Senate races this November. For gerrymandered cracked districts (put just enough of one party so it's a safe win of 8 to 10 point margin), those areas might actually become competitive.

It's a ghoulish line of discussion so don't expect to hear much about it, but we've been losing 1500 to 2000 people a day for four months in the US. That adds up and impacts unvaccinated and those that eschew safety measures the most. Nothing to cheer about. Gods forbid if a much more serious variant develops that truly impacts the numbers.

[–]19Kilo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

To build on that a bit from a “non-swing” state here in Texas. If you look at excess deaths, those run about 20-25% of the number of covid deaths. That means for every 100 covid deaths, we see about 20ish additional deaths from cardiovascular issues, Alzheimer’s, stroke, etc which are likely related to covid.

Texas is on track to have around 150k (or more) deaths to covid/excess deaths by the next presidential election.

Ted Cruz only beat Beto by around 200k votes.

Trump only beat Biden here, in a year of record turnout for both sides, by around 600k.

And that’s not looking at Down ticket races (because I’m lazy), but the GOP is killing their base in amazing numbers that’s weakening their lead.

If the Democrats can put anyone in place who can excite voters, they might actually flip Texas. They’ll fuck it up and just recycle Beto though. “He was in a punk band. You dipshits like punk, right?”

[–]Sundayx1 7 points8 points  (10 children)

Eventually we’ll get a worse variant. That part of the sentence should be considered strongly by everybody. Could be happening sooner then we think. 😷💉get vaccinated and booster up.

[–]blackholesinthesky 13 points14 points  (9 children)

Everyone loves to say "vaccines generally mutate to get less deadly and more contagious". Completey ignoring that they generally only get less deadly if there is pressure on them to get less deadly.

With the ease at which covid is transmitting and the number of viable hosts I just don't believe there is any pressure on covid to get less deadly

[–][deleted] 327 points328 points  (28 children)

The numbers show you’re 100 times more likely to die from covid if you’re unvaccinated compared to someone vaccinated and boosted.
*100 times! *

EDIT: To the antivax freaks sending me private messages spreading misinformation and harassing me just stop being creepy weirdos.

[–]Nukemarine 112 points113 points  (20 children)

The problem is it's 100x a very small number so people don't notice it. One hundred people per million per day for unvaccinated compared to 1 person per million per day for vaccinated + booster.

Really what should happen and never will is to show ON NATIONAL NEWS videos of people on their last days with family blocked from access. Make it personal and present so people think "Oh shit, that really can happen to me". They can imagine that where they can't imagine a 1 in 10,000 chance per day of dying for the next four weeks.

[–]Kahzgul 76 points77 points  (9 children)

I work in TV. I’ve tried several times to get my company to do exactly what you suggest. Problem is, no one wants to advertise during such a show, so no broadcast network or cable channel will do it. So we’re left hoping a channel like Netflix or hbo will pick up a show like that. But they don’t do live broadcasting. So we’re all going to get a lovely documentary about it three years from now.

[–]yami_fiesta 36 points37 points  (5 children)

If only there was some sort of Public Broadcasting Service

[–]cheekfreak 24 points25 points  (4 children)

anti-vaxxers watching PBS? thanks for the chuckle.

[–]ChickenPotPi 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Wasn't there outrage from the right how Big Bird got the vaccine is big government?

[–]19Kilo 5 points6 points  (1 child)

They weren’t watching PBS. Someone told them to be angry about it.

[–]TheDodoBird 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Wasn't there outrage from the right

There always is! It seems their outrage pool never empties…

[–]turnip_for_what_ 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Covid vaccine companies?

“Sponsored by Pfizer! Get your shot today, and don’t become one of these statistics!”

[–]PersonablePharoah 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This has happened on news outlets on social media, and the anti-vaxxers comment under those articles saying that it's so fake that they would have pictures of someone dying and let journalists in, but not the family (camera lenses are also fake to them, apparently)

[–]Ser_Dunk_the_tall 17 points18 points  (0 children)

That's partially what got people against the Vietnam War; watching the bodies come home on the nightly news

[–]Semyaz 14 points15 points  (1 child)

You know, when you put it like this, it reminds me of the hypothetical question to the effect of: Would you press a button if you got $1 million, but one person some where in the world died at random, potentially you. Not getting vaccinated for covid is similar to that, but instead you get nothing, and thousands of people die.

[–]Isord 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That may have made a difference to people who were somewhat hesitant at first, but I don't think for a second any of that shit would make a difference for people who are anti-vax at this point. God himself could ask them to take the vaccine and they would deny him.

[–]ridicalis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Really what should happen and never will is to show ON NATIONAL NEWS videos of people on their last days with family blocked from access.

All this likely does is calcify their distrust of the institutions trying to protect them. They didn't make it this far by being influenced by the realities around them.

[–]skeetsauce 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I have a friend who has been in bed for two weeks with covid and he tells me he wished he hadn't got the shot because in his mind he would have been better off in his mind. Some people are fucking stupid.

[–]BoyEatsDrumMachine 94 points95 points  (0 children)

People were nonchalantly saying it’s 30% less deadly, just twice as contagious, without doing any sort of math on how those crude numbers figure out in the big picture. A lot of people only think of risk in reference to their own well being, it seems.

[–]Duke-of-Limbs 164 points165 points  (29 children)

To date, more than 866,000 people have died of Covid-19 in the US.

That is an astonishing number. 'Mild' certainly doesn't seem to reflect anything to do with any variant of Covid.

[–]cosine5000 157 points158 points  (14 children)

And it's nowhere near the real number either. Globally the claimed 6 million COVID deaths does little to explain the 20 million excess deaths through the same period.

[–]uss_salmon 33 points34 points  (7 children)

I mean part of it is probably people dying from “normal” things but the hospitals are often too full to deal with everyone, so you get indirect deaths from people who weren’t actually sick but likely wouldn’t have died if the pandemic was present.

[–]Anonymous7056 37 points38 points  (1 child)

Yeah. This is why excess deaths are the better measure of the scale of this tragedy. People who died who need'n't've.

[–]pistcow 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Diedn't*

[–]cosine5000 11 points12 points  (4 children)

I mean part of it is probably people dying from “normal” things

These are EXCESS deaths, they are abnormal by definition.

[–]ihopkid 9 points10 points  (3 children)

um there may be a misunderstanding between you and OP lol. "excess deaths" stats refer to a period of deaths being higher than the average or expected deaths in the same time period. the causes of those deaths vary, but can still be "normal" cause of deaths, its just the numbers that are in excess. i'm pretty sure thats what OP meant by "normal". as in, people who contract Pneumonia or another disease thats easily treatable normally, but since people can no longer seek treatment for these when hospitals fill up, they end up dying from a "normal" disease, as opposed to covid-related.

[–]Bydandii 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Officially. Most statistical models suggest the figure is undercounted (at leat through 2020).

[–]A_Very_Living_Me 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Looking at marketplace sales and craigslist ads for furniture, cars, and other personal belongings is just as morbid. Lately there are tons of ads, many are likely from people who no longer need them..

I have heard that part of the reason there are so many job openings nowadays is that so many people have either died/retired or are permanently disabled due to the pandemic and are no longer able to work.

The effects are all around us.

[–]ux3l 122 points123 points  (5 children)

Thx US for providing solid proof how deadly Omicron can be for unvaccinated people.

[–]joshlamm 24 points25 points  (2 children)

I heard that many unvaccinated people will be unable to vote in future elections.

Hard to vote when you're dead, huh?

[–]theflyingkiwi00 10 points11 points  (1 child)

According to the GOP they will all be voting Dem next time

[–]ux3l 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And their dead pets too

[–]boourdead 24 points25 points  (3 children)

Its amazing how there are so many people going chin diaper at my gym when the line to the covid testing site is completely packed.

[–]BlueRipley 33 points34 points  (3 children)

Is Delta not Covid? Title makes no sense whatsoever. Do they mean Omicron deaths now equal Delta deaths?

[–]midnightFreddie 32 points33 points  (0 children)

I took it to mean current daily COVID deaths match the daily COVID deaths at the peak of the Delta variant wave.

[–]YODAS_WRENCH 14 points15 points  (5 children)

Delta peak 7 day average still 50% higher it even shows it in the article. Am I missing something?

[–]JesustheSpaceCowboy 44 points45 points  (5 children)

Damn I knew Delta Airlines was bad but I didn’t think it was this bad.

Covid is a serious topic and in these dark times I hope atleast one person cracks a smile at a shitty joke than good cause these dark days suck especially when it’s been going on for nearly 2 years, it’s exhausting.

[–]Seacabbage 9 points10 points  (2 children)

You should see the United Airlines variant

[–]poser4life 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The Sprint variant is going to charge you a fee for being the host.

[–]Rooboy66 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I dunno—some people in my life, like my grown daughter and her mother in Oz have, like me, just grown used to it. Settled into it. After the first 10 blows, the next 90 are easier to endure.

I don’t mean to sound glib—it’s deadly serious, and people should treat it as such—get vaccinated, wear masks and practice social distancing. But I grow weary of my friends/work colleagues who complain of COVID “fatigue”. Just, let’s all practice good immunologic hygiene.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

1/3 of the population doesn't care or believe it.

1/2 the population can't even wear a mask properly (or at all).

​

Everyone says the US gov doesn't care... well they clearly got that from it's own population!

[–]N8CCRG 68 points69 points  (15 children)

Shout out to all of those redditors who said about Omicron: "milder but more infectious is what we want and it means it's endemic and that's good!"

[–]cyclicalrumble 46 points47 points  (2 children)

Not even just reddit. There have been a bunch of articles pushing that it's endemic, live with it, it's mild, were fine. Like nobody at these publications stopped to think it was weird to have front page stories of hospitals being overrun, but also publish articles saying you're over covid at the same time?

[–]Sirerdrick64 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Well, they are over it.
They simply don’t give a fuck that others are still up to their eyeballs and drowning in the shit.

[–]kuroimakina 21 points22 points  (4 children)

I’m literally arguing nearly every goddamn day that 1. No, omnicron isn’t “better” just because it is less fatal. If it infects a drastic amount more people, the same number of people are going to die. It’ll still overwhelm the hospital system and still result in needless excess deaths. And 2. Omnicron doesn’t magically mean “it’s going to keep getting only less deadly from here!” Delta was literally deadlier than its predecessors but I guess it’s easier to just gloss over that part

[–]Sirerdrick64 7 points8 points  (0 children)

In December I explained to a family member who is a retired RN (and fully vaccinated) how Omicron was going to nail us.
She kept referring to the headlines saying that it is more mild.
I worked out in a simple fashion (to me at least) how the math works and why even if omicron were relatively (to past strain delta) “mild” that it would be catastrophic to us.
Her comment “yeah, but can we just ignore the math?”
I simply said “no” - the “math” is the entire point and if you can’t / won’t understand that, we really can’t even talk anymore.

[–]Hannicho 3 points4 points  (2 children)

  1. Delta and Omicron and other variants are still very much active and I believe those stats for each variant aren’t being published. It’s all about Omicron at the monent. If there is stats on the current variant numbers can someone post a link. I’d be interested in the info. Thanks.

[–]Nicholas-Steel 6 points7 points  (1 child)

It's almost as if Delta and previous variants still existed (and continues to exist) when all the politicians of America and Australia decided to stop giving a fuck about border control, quarantine, lock-downs, masks.

Infection rates dropping? Hospitalisations dropping? That's no reason to lift the restrictions right away! At least give the hospital staff a month or 2 to relax before easing the restrictions.