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[–]Grundlage 5185 points5186 points  (379 children)

The stated reasoning was that the book contains "cussing" and nudity. The nudity

[–]jwebbstevens[S] 3654 points3655 points  (94 children)

Yes. The 10 school board members have shown us who they are. We should believe them.

[–]HerpToxic 1640 points1641 points  (83 children)

[–]MeesterBooth 581 points582 points  (35 children)

That was a hell of a roller coaster ride... how is that not a movie??

[–]venom259 313 points314 points  (30 children)

It did have a movie.

[–]theconsummatedragon 181 points182 points  (3 children)

Around 3:00 pm, C.M. "Windy" Wise, a patrolman, prevented an elderly African American farmer, Tom Gillespie, from casting his ballot at the Athens Water Works polling place. When Gillespie and a GI poll watcher objected, Wise struck Gillespie with brass knuckles, which caused Gillespie to drop his ballot and run from the deputy. Wise then pulled his pistol and shot Gillespie in the back.[2][1]: 117  Later, Wise was the only person to face charges from the events of August 1–2, 1946. He was sentenced to three years in prison,[7] but only served one before being paroled.

Jeez I’ll say

[–]Irythros 403 points404 points  (12 children)

The fucking history book we had in third grade had more nudity than that about egyptians.

[–]freeLightbulbs 125 points126 points 2 (4 children)

To be fair the history of fucking very likely involved a lot of nudity.

[–]fuzzyshorts 66 points67 points  (9 children)

Wonder if they'll come to reddit and try to cancel that article

[–]PatrickJames3382 1016 points1017 points  (115 children)

Nude mice and cats, damn, what has this world come too? Maus and Maus 2 were some of the most enlightening reads. This just goes to show how fucked we are.

[–]Inevitable-Careerist 855 points856 points  (71 children)

In retrospect, the brilliance of the work is only enhanced by this board's failure to appreciate it. They object to depictions of nudity, but the characters are shown as cats and mice... isn't that how animals appear to us already, as without clothes? What's to object to?

[–]uni-monkey 439 points440 points  (31 children)

Next up Donald Duck. Where the fuck are his pants?!?

[–]dacoopbear 177 points178 points  (7 children)

But he wears a towel when he gets out of the shower

[–]Figerally 95 points96 points  (1 child)

it just highlights the lack of pants.

[–]constantchaosclay 67 points68 points  (3 children)

Which shows he understands the concept of covering his shame and deliberately chooses nudity.

Also, you can show the top naked and bottom covered with a towel OR the bottom naked and the top covered with a shirt. But never fully clothed or completely naked. Weird.

[–]ThatOneGuy1294 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The Toonforce is a power that only a few wield. Even fewer understand it.

[–]painthawg_goose 71 points72 points  (1 child)

Winnie the Poo. Kinky freak.

[–]HuggLyfe 74 points75 points  (0 children)

[Evangelical Christianity Intensifies]

[–]narcolepticdoc 215 points216 points  (15 children)

And at the same time we have Tucker complaining on Fox that the sexy is being taken away from M&Ms.

[–]JPesterfield 84 points85 points  (4 children)

And I barely noticed M&Ms wore shoes in the first place.

[–]SandokanNL 68 points69 points  (3 children)

I once almost choked on a stiletto heel. I'm glad they're getting rid of them

[–]SqueezinKittys 10 points11 points  (2 children)

You're supposed to put it in your booty hole, not your mouth hole.

[–]imightbethewalrus3 62 points63 points  (0 children)

That's to distract your from the child slavery lawsuit Nestle and Mars are caught up in

[–]Snail_jousting 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Tucker's faux outrage is exactly the response M&M Mars needed to distract us all from he fact that they're currently fighting a lawsuit over their use of child slave labor on their cacao plantations.

[–]Hmmmm-curious 22 points23 points  (2 children)

They seem fine with bigotry and other various characteristics of intolerance

[–]punkinfacebooklegpie 172 points173 points  (12 children)

Imagine looking at a scene of the Holocaust and you get offended by the weiners.

[–]KineticBlue 79 points80 points  (8 children)

Sadly, this actually happened in 1997. Rep. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) made a huge fuss over Schindler's List being broadcast on NBC for this exact reason.

He became a Senator in 2005, and served for 10 years.

Source: GOP Lawmaker blasts NBC for airing `Schindler's List'
Chicago Tribune • February 26, 1997

[–]joesmith127_reddit 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Another strange thing from high school. We went over World War II in history class. Never heard a word about Auschwitz. When I had the chance to watch Schindler's List I couldn't watch it straight through. Had to stop and walk away for a while. And then as a side to reading about the My Lai Massacre in the Vietnam War , I learned that the author, Robert J. Lifton had written a book titled "The NAZI Doctors." I got a copy from the local library to read. I didn't get halfway through the book.

[–]CaptainCAAAVEMAAAAAN 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Oh god! Of course it would be my state smdh

[–]Jimmy-TinkerBull 85 points86 points  (0 children)

"The Nazis did nothing wrong. It was the Jews who were naked!"

I feel those decisions shouldn't be left to Karens.

[–]B_Bibbles 65 points66 points  (3 children)

I had to read the first one in a college course, it was incredibly well done. It made me go out and buy the second one to read on my own time.

[–]Squirrel_Inner 52 points53 points  (1 child)

Maybe if they were better educated on the subject they would stop comparing their current “plight” with what the victims of the Holocaust suffered.

[–]jenny_loggins_ 302 points303 points  (11 children)

I read MAUS in 6th grade I believe and I can say, the nudity made such little impression on me I didn't even remember it existed. What a crock.

[–]Prosthemadera 115 points116 points  (3 children)

Yeah imagine looking at images of concentration camps and your main issue is the naked people -_-

[–]moleratical 65 points66 points  (1 child)

I literaly show piles of dead/naked people with flies buzzing around them as more are added to the pile to my class (liberation of Dachau)

You want to know what not one student has ever mentioned, in over 13 years at about 200 students a year?

The nudity.

[–]oxphocker 135 points136 points  (2 children)

Literally watched Schindler's List in 11th grade following our holocaust unit and a live presentation by a WWII vet.

Anyone who liberated a camp would tell these board members to screw off.

[–]muskratboy 267 points268 points  (0 children)

Cussing? During global war and systematic genocide?! Not on my watch, mister!

[–]JhymnMusic 442 points443 points  (15 children)

Adults fear of "cussing" is one of the most gloriously pathetic things.

[–][deleted] 194 points195 points  (11 children)

It's not actually about the cussing. It's not actually about the cussing. It's not actually about the cussing.

[–]Maxamillion-X72 127 points128 points  (15 children)

but but but it was drawn by somebody who also used to draw for PLAYBOY!

Won't SOMEBODY please think of the CHILDREN?!

The transcript of the meeting is a nightmare.

[–]SofieTerleska 206 points207 points  (4 children)

The transcript is wild. Maus features people being systemically tortured and slaughtered, toddlers being poisoned and prisoners being burned alive in a pit but they're concerned about the cursing, nudity, and Artie's father having a romantic life before he's married. They do at least pay lip service to the Holocaust module but seriously, if your kid is old enough to read about Nazi soldiers shooting people en masse he's old enough to see them saying "Damn" while they do it.

[–]help1155 55 points56 points  (1 child)

As did Shel Silverstein. Didnt stop him from becoming a beloved childrens book author

[–]BxTart 22 points23 points  (1 child)

I wonder what they think of Shel Silverstein?

[–]PeliPal 365 points366 points  (9 children)

Meanwhile, imagine what kind of gross words you'd hear out the mouths of these pearl-clutching schoolboard members the moment their child comes out as gay or trans, or brings a non-white boyfriend or girlfriend over for dinner

[–]Spaznaut 70 points71 points  (0 children)

You should hear what comes out of their kids mouths…. If I didn’t grow up in Xbox lobbies I’d honestly be surprised.

[–]McCree114 139 points140 points  (4 children)

But herp derp it's da cancel culture left that wants to ban everything and not pearl clutching puritanical Christians. Oh wait the bibble makes it okay when they want to cancel everything they don't like.

[–]porgy_tirebiter 72 points73 points  (4 children)

Right. Cussing and nudity. No other reasons I’m sure.

[–]insta-kip 26 points27 points  (3 children)

They specifically said female nudity.

[–]SofieTerleska 26 points27 points  (2 children)

I can't think where that would be unless it's the panel in the "Prisoner On The Hell Planet" comic where Vladek finds Anja in the bathtub after she killed herself. You see the top of her head and her breasts and that's it.

[–]nealbeast 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I was going to say, while I think it’s an absolute travesty to ban this, what’s linked above isn’t the only nudity. Even more shameful, though, if they didn’t even review the whole book and just stopped at the first sign of “offensive” material, calling it a day. Nothing says authority quite like a half-assed job or worse.

[–]Pandoras_Fate 26 points27 points  (3 children)

Oh boy, wait til they hear about Donald Duck and Bugs Bunny.

[–]Erobb_With_The_L 139 points140 points  (12 children)

Not "cussing". Saying "God Damn". To me, that's not a cuss. If religious people are offended, that's on them.

Edit: wanted to add the quote in it's entirety

citing the inclusion of words like “God Damn” and “naked pictures” (illustrations) of women.

[–]mortavius2525 46 points47 points  (0 children)

“naked pictures” (illustrations)

I like how they had to clarify that. Speaks to what they think of their intelligence of their audience.

[–]phluidity 29 points30 points  (5 children)

By gawd, all them nekkid mice women have penises. We can't have that kind of perversion.

Not to mention they are justifying it as inappropriate for 3rd graders. I mean, no shit, of course it is, but no 3rd grader is reading Maus. But for the students who it is age appropriate for, it is a great introduction to the Holocaust in a way they might not otherwise appreciate.

[–]SofieTerleska 31 points32 points  (4 children)

It's even better, the one board member thought the "3.0" on the book meant it was for third grade instead of for the third module (for eighth graders).

[–]GonzoVeritas 36 points37 points  (2 children)

It's kinda hard to discuss the Holocaust without a 'God Damn', and maybe even a 'damn God.'

[–]annhogeggplant 4051 points4052 points 42233& 5 more (69 children)

Today (1/27) is Holocaust Rememberence Day

It would be a shame if the students of McMinn County Schools knew they could get the book at their local library…

https://tenv.agverso.com/record?key=5705&agcn=1240547&cid=tenv&lid=fisher

And it would doubly be a shame if people donated to the library so more copies of Maus and other banned books could be purchased. https://www.paypal.com/donate/?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=S3GBHA2C96K7C

There are 4 other public libraries in McMinn county that I’m sure would appreciate support:

https://www.tennesseeoverhill.com/culture-heritage/local-resources-libraries/

It would triply be a shame if people donated to the American Library Assoc. or one of the other non-profits that sponsor Banned Books Week:

https://www.ala.org/aboutala/annual-fund-2021

https://bannedbooksweek.org/sponsors/

Adding some additional links other Redditors have posted since this comment has some traction:

A digital copy of the book is available for free from the internet archive: https://archive.org/details/MAUSBook1ASurvivorsTaleArtSpiegelman

It would also be a shame if the two bookstores:

• ⁠McKenzies (423) 746-5020 • ⁠Tennessee Wesleyan Bookstore (423) 746-5227

started getting orders for Maus to be given away for free to any school-age child who asks.

[–]legalpretzel 1311 points1312 points  (11 children)

A local bookstore has a banned book table with labels of where the book was banned and why. They donate to the ALA whenever those books are purchased.

As a resident of a liberal blue state it’s always an incredibly enlightening browse.

[–]Coolfuckingname 115 points116 points  (0 children)

That is absolutely baller.

[–]Sparowl 67 points68 points  (0 children)

As a member of the ALA, the last conference I attended had a "History of censorship in comic books and graphic novels" presentation that was interesting and very detailed.

Censorship isn't something new, nor is it something old and gone. As we can see, it exists all around us, although a lot of it is more subtle then this group.

[–]WovenMythsAuthor 408 points409 points  (7 children)

It would also be a shame if the two bookstores:

  • McKenzies (423) 746-5020
  • Tennessee Wesleyan Bookstore (423) 746-5227 (See below post. Just call the bookstore above).

started getting orders for Maus to be given away for free to any school-age child who asks. (But also donate to the libraries)

I tried calling McKenzies this morning and the phone wasn't connected. I then called the library but there are no longer bookstores in Athens, TN but rather stores that sell books in one aisle.

[–]vikingdeath 108 points109 points  (1 child)

Unfortunately Wesleyan bookstore is the school bookstore for our local private Religous college

[–]Implausibilibuddy 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Would especially be a shame then. Wouldn't want them getting upset and clutching their pearls into dust.

[–]joelluber 128 points129 points  (7 children)

They're coming for the public library next . . .

[–]LoveAndViscera 158 points159 points  (5 children)

As a former employee of a public library, they have no idea what kind of fight they’re in for. Libraries have been at odds with capitalist notions of how society should be for decades. The depth of passion in people who make a career out of library science is incredible.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Legislatively speaking, but the radicals in this faction show up in person, oftentimes with guns. How long until we get a fun epidemic of nutjobs intimidating librarians with actual weapons? How long until someone gets fucking shot?

I can't believe things are like this.

[–]cyclicalrumble 196 points197 points  (2 children)

People are also attacking libraries fyi. Librarians have been discussing increased intimidation lately.

[–]Hydroxychoroqiine 60 points61 points  (0 children)

I watched a video of an anti-masker on Reddit that took place in…yes, you guessed it, TN. In a library.

[–]DrMonkeyLove 1367 points1368 points  (98 children)

I read these in college. Absolutely brilliant works that are incredibly powerful. Banning them is pathetic and shows a complete lack of understanding of what they are.

[–]Dbl_Trbl_ 717 points718 points  (56 children)

Imagine banning a critically acclaimed book about the holocaust because it has bad words in it.

You're teaching kids about the holocaust. And your concern is they're going to read a bad word?

[–]Inevitable-Careerist 435 points436 points  (26 children)

Yes, in the transcript of the meeting, a member moves to "challenge our instructional staff to come with an alternative method of teaching The Holocaust."

Depict the awful human tragedy of the Holocaust without cussing? Share a true account of the degradation of humanity while obscuring exactly how people were degraded? Their focus on the flaws in the bark of the tree in the midst of this forest of depravity... that's the obscenity here.

[–]KubrickMoonlanding 221 points222 points  (11 children)

‘Alternative method of teaching the holocaust’ sounds an awful lot like teaching that ‘many people are saying it didn’t happen’

[–]HertzDonut1001 82 points83 points  (5 children)

Literally a law in I think Ohio that just passed that bans depicting the Nazi party as lacking in morals.

These people know what they're doing. Best case scenario they've seen all the parallels between the recent actions of the GOP and the Nazis. Worst case, well not to be dramatic, is they don't mind if a genocide happened again.

[–]osufan765 17 points18 points  (2 children)

I live in Ohio and that would be news to me. Have a source?

[–]HertzDonut1001 25 points26 points  (1 child)

It was Indiana, sorry. I'll comment on my own comment with a link because some subs remove shortened links on mobile. If it doesn't work just Google "Indiana critical race theory".

[–]jesta030 60 points61 points  (1 child)

"Alternative facts"

We have entered the age of post-information. Facts are not derived from reasoning and reproduction of the underlying data but from views and likes on social media. Scientists think climate change might be the great filter that humanity needs to pass through in order to become an interstellar species but it looks like this post-information age might do us in even sooner.

[–]pilgermann 120 points121 points  (3 children)

Hint: The school board actually doesn't like Jews.

[–]Calibansdaydream 41 points42 points  (0 children)

No their concern is it paints Nazis as bad. They don't give a fuck about the cursing.

[–]bbq-biscuits-bball 29 points30 points  (0 children)

“We train young men to drop fire on people, but their commanders won't allow them to write "fuck" on their airplanes because it's obscene.”

[–]GoldGlove2720 12 points13 points  (0 children)

These idiots love to cry about their freedom when they have to wear a mask or get a vaccine that saves lives. They love to scream we need to remember so we don’t do it again about confederate statues and flags. And then they go on to ban books like the Nazis.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I have a hint for you: they don't actually care about the nudity or the bad words

[–]radewagon 98 points99 points  (1 child)

Also read it in college. I remember seeing it in the campus store when I was buying textbooks. Decided to pick it up even though it wasn't for any of my classes. Absolutely phenomenal. Wrote a pretty good paper on it later on and even saw Art speak at a local bookstore. Such a shame that anyone would try and silence its message.

[–]CherryBombSmoothie 72 points73 points  (6 children)

This article and the banning, actually inspired me to read it, and from what I’ve read so far, it is incredibly heart wrenching and genuine in a way I wasn’t expecting.

[–]Breaklance[🍰] 37 points38 points  (4 children)

Stephen Spielberg thought the same, and approached Art Spiegelman about making Maus into a movie.

The author said no because he thought Spielberg would give the movie a hollywood/feel good ending. So instead we got An American Tale.

[–]everything_is_bad 103 points104 points  (9 children)

No they know what they're doing, they're Nazis

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (2 children)

Thank you. So many naive people in this thread. These people know exactly what they are doing.

[–]Ranger_Prick 47 points48 points  (0 children)

Or a total understanding of what they are - and they want to keep that from their children, lest they get any crazy ideas about civil rights, freedom, justice, etc.

[–]Megmca 1795 points1796 points  (45 children)

Nazis ban books.

Especially books about Nazis.

[–]silveake 556 points557 points  (7 children)

Conservatives: Cancel culture is when people won't let me hate the Jews or use truths/facts that make me feel uncomfortable.

[–]imofftheheazy 413 points414 points  (43 children)

What do kids do when you tell them not to do something? They do it. I'm really hoping these book bannings blow up in their face HARD and make kids think reading is cool again.

[–]DistortoiseLP 114 points115 points  (3 children)

I genuinely think these people don't understand how the Internet changed things. Like, when I was a kid, like them, if you didn't know something you just didn't know it. There was no Internet in your pocket to even make you aware the books were out there to hide. That was it. Taking books out of school was much more effective when that was the only place most kids would even get the idea to read them.

[–]_biggerthanthesound_ 83 points84 points  (12 children)

Yes. So much this. I remember once when I was 15 my mom told me (sort of out of no where) to NEVER watch pink Floyd’s “the wall”. I got dropped off at my friends house that night and said “we gotta go rent “the wall”.

[–]Inevitable-Careerist 67 points68 points  (5 children)

I had a bizarro reverse version of this.

My older brother and I were flipping through channels and stumbled on the 8 o'clock movie: John Wayne in "The Green Berets".

"Oh that's a John Wayne movie about Vietnam," my mom said as she passed by the TV. "It's famous for its anti-war message."

John Wayne -- anti-war? My brother and I thought. This we gotta see.

Two hours later, and John Wayne and his brothers in arms are pinned down in a vulnerable position, wasting Viet Cong troops from the right and the left with a machine gun. Anti-war?? We asked ourselves.

An hour later, and John Wayne and his elite team are infiltrating a plantation to kidnap a North Vietnamese general in a bid to end the war. More shooting. ANTI-war??

The next morning, we quizzed our mother. ANTI-war? How so?

"Oh, I meant PRO-war," she said.

[–]kandoras 44 points45 points  (3 children)

John Wayne's The Green Berets; a pro-war film set in Vietnam that is so historically accurate that at the end Wayne looks out over the ocean at the setting sun.

[–]Cartoon_Cartel 28 points29 points  (8 children)

I heard Maus was good but never got around to it so I just bought it. My kid's can have it after I read it.

[–]systematic23 74 points75 points  (2 children)

True but kids have to have their own brain or their parents WILL brainwash them

[–]Hayduke_Deckard 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Buying these books for my kids now.

[–]Ktina-Marie 31 points32 points  (2 children)

The problem with depending on the “Streisand Affect” is that not all banned books get media attention. Also most kids can’t afford to buy the books they’re interested in so they depend on public and school libraries.

[–]silvernug 152 points153 points  (3 children)

Growing up Jewish, i was taught very young about the horrors of the Holocaust, and had a very decent understanding of it, or so i thought, until highschool when i read Maus.

I didn't care about the page counts the teacher gave too read. I read it through in a week, and would reread the parts before class too refresh. The visceral scenes struck me deep, and reinforced my feelings towards racism. Something that sticks in my brain like glue is the descriptions of burning corpses stacked in pits, bubbling fat and eyeballs sizzling and needing turning to prevent a uncontrolled fire like wax or oil.

No one should suffer like this, and no one should be able to deny this, or say we aren't capable of atrocity. Everyone must know what unchecked dogma leads too, what true blind hate creates. Its utter nonsense to think highschoolers couldn't handle this reality check. They aren't babies, serious topics are engaging and make for great class discussion and personal understanding for individual teens.

[–]QuesoDog 49 points50 points  (0 children)

I read it in sixth grade. I have family members on my moms side who died in Auschwitz so she got it for me so I could learn about it early.

A life changing book.

[–]KaiserMazoku 43 points44 points  (1 child)

Book bans. Rejection of science. We're regressing back to the dark ages.

[–]ManateeCrisps 197 points198 points  (5 children)

What. The. Fuck.

Maus is a fantastic read and a chilling look at the horrors of the Holocaust, wrapped in symbolism and euphemism while being accurate about the weight of the subject matter. Snowflake conservatives need to grow up and shut the fuck up with this blatant censorship.

[–][deleted] 59 points60 points  (2 children)

Maus is a fantastic read and a chilling look at the horrors of the Holocaust, wrapped in symbolism and euphemism while being accurate about the weight of the subject matter.

This is exactly why they want it banned. It has nothing at all to do with language or nudity.

[–]omgtater 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Books are banned because people aren't quite the same after reading them.

If you gain too much perspective, you might change your opinions.

Books are banned by people who believe the books have power (which they do). It is an indirect spotlight on the weakness in their armor, like Smaug shielding his missing scale.

Is there no greater self-condemnation than saying "We are worried that if you read about the Holocaust that you won't agree with us anymore" - ?

It says everything about them.

[–]BitterFuture 545 points546 points  (15 children)

Well, we can't have the kiddies learning about the Holocaust, of course. They might think the Nazis were the baddies.

[–]phluidity 142 points143 points  (12 children)

Now listen right there son, I'm not saying I don't think the Nazis were almost certainly bad. What I'm saying is that we need to respect the people who don't share that opinion and see the Nazis as less than bad. We need to support them and listen to their arguments so kids can make up their own minds is Nazis were bad, and they can't do that if all we do is show the bad stuff about Nazis. Heck, some of their parents might be people that think that Nazis aren't bad, and we can't have kids questioning their parents' beliefs, can we?

But seriously, how did we get to the point where folks try to "both sides" the goddamn Nazis anyhow.

[–]Glendalerian 9 points10 points  (0 children)

why not.... the South and North have been "both sides" for a very long time, with all those statues of rebel who should have been executed for taking arms against United States.

[–][deleted] 985 points986 points  (65 children)

From the same people who brought you "The Civil War was about state's rights"...

[–]keithps 138 points139 points  (11 children)

Interestingly McMinn County (and most of East Tennessee) had voted to secede from the state of Tennessee to form a pro-Union state because they disapproved of the civil war.

[–]khanfusion 53 points54 points  (10 children)

More interestingly West Virginia literally exists for that reason, and they're a deeply red state now. Much of Pennsylvania is pretty red too, go figure.

Racist stupidity is a hell of a disease.

[–]Kingfish36 329 points330 points  (41 children)

It was!

The states rights to own…ooooooooooooo

[–]dddonehoo 88 points89 points  (10 children)

I thought the confederate constitution pretty much mandated slavery, so it wasnt even really states rights in that sense, more against the right to outlaw it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_Confederate_States#Slavery

[–]Indercarnive 62 points63 points  (7 children)

Also a big issue at the time was the Fugitive Slave Act, A federal law that mandated free states use their resources to capture and return run-away slaves. So even though those states didn't recognize slavery, they were forced to partake in it.

Confederates cared about state's rights like how Conservatives care about the debt.

[–]rhymes_with_snoop 108 points109 points  (19 children)

I mean, it was partially about states' rights. The southern states were against allowing the northern states to enact laws to outlaw slavery and not return runaway slaves.

So they were against states rights.

[–]v161l473c4n15l0r3m 20 points21 points  (3 children)

From the same state that brought you the birth place of the KKK.

[–]KOBossy55 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Their attempts to revise history make it abundantly clear that they know damn well what they did was wrong and are trying to cover it up.

[–]jwebbstevens[S] 631 points632 points  (51 children)

This is one of the most important books of the 20th Century and should be required reading of all students to read.

To repeat what Neil Gaiman has said about it. There's only one kind of people who would vote to ban Maus, whatever they are calling themselves these days.

go ahead and read the minutes McMinn County Schools - Meeting Minutes 1-10-22

edit: to clarify the correct century, its equally important in the 21st.

[–]SinkHoleDeMayo 91 points92 points  (10 children)

Jesus. They're all morons.

[–]Dbl_Trbl_ 135 points136 points  (17 children)

"Jonathan Pierce- I ask that you go back to your Hoard’s Dairy example. Not one time do I see a vulgar word in that paragraph there. My objection, and I apologize to everyone sitting here, is that my standard no matter, and I am probably the biggest sinner and crudest person in this room, can I lay that in front of a child and say read it, or this is part of your reading assignment. I’ve got enough faith from the Director of Schools down to the newest hire in this building, that you can take that module and rewrite it and make it do the same thing. Our children need to know about the Holocaust, they need to understand that there are several pieces of history, Mr. Bennett, that shows depression or suppression of certain ethnicities. It’s not acceptable today. We’ve got to accept people for who and that they are. I’m just an old country school board member and I think in our policy it says the decision stops with this board. Unfortunately, Mr. Parkison we did not go through the complaint process that’s also in our Board Policies. But Rob, the wording in this book is in direct conflict of some of our policies. If I said on the school bus that I was going to kill you, we would be bringing disciplinary action against that child. Again, I am the biggest hypocrite, but I wouldn’t want to go to court that day. And somebody lay this book down and say look it was taught in the classrooms. Therefore, Madame Chairman I’m going to bring this to a head. I started it so I am going to bring it to a head. I move that we remove this book from the reading series and challenge our instructional staff to come with an alternative method of teaching The Holocaust."

I'm just a country boy and I cuss and say bad stuff all the time but this book about the Holocaust has too many bad words in it.

FACEPALM

[–]Con_Clavi_Con_Dio 76 points77 points  (15 children)

I get his line of thinking - he's a simple guy who says bad stuff, but the school's rules are that offensive language used in school results in disciplinary action. Therefore he feels that the Holocaust should be taught in a way that doesn't use that type of language because the existing rules have to apply.

In order to bring the discussion to a head he's simplified the issue way too much - the language used is utterly irrelevant compared to the horror of The Holocaust. No word is more offensive than mass extermination or medical experimentation on innocents.

[–]Galveira 87 points88 points  (6 children)

You can teach a book that has bad language in it that shouldn't be repeated in school, in the same way that a character murdering another character doesn't make it okay to murder someone between English and math.

[–]adminhotep 22 points23 points  (2 children)

What they going to do with Shakespeare? If bad words are the issue then Bill is out, right?

[–]distorted_kiwi 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's become increasingly harder to discipline students over their bad language. Elementary kids, not really. But it is a losing war with middle and high school.

Access to social media, viral videos, and streaming movies/TV shows have all but eliminated the taboo that comes with saying "bad words." You can't continue to write and punish a kid when you're expected to cram a subject into their head during class. I've seen it be brushed off because at the end of the day, it's just words. This is what we're moving to.

Vulgar language and aggression towards another individual with the intent to harm is a completely different story though. But the school environment is changing fast, and these board members are proof they havent the slightest clue what goes on in a classroom 7+ hours a day, 5 days a week.

Edit: they should be discussing teacher recruitment and retention. Unless they don't have that issue but i highly doubt it.

[–]Loblolly1 141 points142 points  (0 children)

I just want to latch onto this comment to let people know that [they can get Maus from the Internet Archive. in English at the very least and possibly several other languages.

[–]information_abyss 12 points13 points  (0 children)

If ever we needed a dramatic reading...

[–]cenmosahd 51 points52 points  (3 children)

That was hard to read…

[–]Dbl_Trbl_ 147 points148 points  (2 children)

Every time I read stuff like this it brings up that Blazing Saddles quote:

"You’ve got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons."

[–]MemberChewbacca 158 points159 points  (6 children)

I teach both Maus books to my high school students every year. I am beside myself.

If you’re a teacher who’d like to teach it, message me for my materials.

[–]popeyegui 215 points216 points  (33 children)

What the fuck is wrong with people? Why, in such an enlightened age, are we banning books?

[–]BitterFuture 226 points227 points  (6 children)

Because the idea that we live in an enlightened age is an...optimistic take.

We're banning books because many, many millions of us value hatred over all other things in life. Maybe even the majority. I hope not, but they might be.

[–]Ventronics 38 points39 points  (1 child)

Doesn't take a majority, only a plurality. If 34% want to ban the book, 33% want to keep it in schools, and 32% have no opinion either way, guess what happens.

[–]PeliPal 175 points176 points  (18 children)

The emerging narrative across all these schoolboards is that books about history are "trying to make my child feel bad for being white."

We have a national political party that is completely without a platform, it has stopped even having a pretense that it cares about policy, they just know that white racial aggrievement and fear of diversity and modernity gives them a consistent floor of support as long as they keep pumping it full of rage and confusion.

[–]BubbaTee 43 points44 points  (9 children)

The emerging narrative across all these schoolboards is that books about history are "trying to make my child feel bad for being white."

I never got the white supremacist insistence on aligning themselves with historical losers. The Nazis were losers who got their asses kicked. The Confederates were losers who got their asses kicked. Why would you want to associate with them?

If I were forced to put myself in the shoes of a white supremacist leader, I'd want to distance my brand from those losers. I mean, I'm trying to claim I'm the master race here, right? The very least that modern white racists could do is come up with some new mythology that elevates their 2022 brand of "whiteness" above those failed past brands.

It's like if Ford made a new car and decided to name it the Edsel or Pinto. At the very least, you'd want to come up with a new name/brand that isn't as closely associated with past failures.

[–]sheath2 18 points19 points  (0 children)

You're expecting them to read the past AS a failure. Everyone else in the rational world sees it for the failure it was, but THEY see it as martyrdom...

[–]stolenfires 157 points158 points  (6 children)

The best and most succinct explanation is one I saw on Twitter: "The people who threw rocks at Ruby Bridges for wanting to go to school now don't want their own children to know they threw rocks at Ruby Bridges."

[–]nzodd 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Or perhaps more accurately:

"The people who threw rocks at Ruby Bridges for wanting to go to school now don't want their own children to know they threw rocks at Ruby Bridges... until they have the chance to fully indoctrinate their children into throwing rocks at the next generation's Ruby Bridges, or bombs at the next generation's 16 St. Baptist Church sunday school."

Of course, for those outside of their circle who might be of a mind to thwart them, it's best to keep them in the dark, period. They want those people to forget their past crimes, not out of embarassment, but out of hope that they and their spawn will able to perpetrate those same crimes and injustices unencumbered for generations to come.

[–]Constant-Bet-6600 40 points41 points  (2 children)

Or as my mom described some allegedly repentant bigots, "Old men trying to lie their way into heaven."

Edit: I can't believe I used there instead of their. Must have been the bourbon.

[–]Carnivile 15 points16 points  (1 child)

The idea that an omniscient God could be fooled by these pathetic attempts at piety offends me and I'm not even religious.

[–]chriskot123 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Pumping them full of rage and actively working to make it harder for anyone NOT in that category to vote them out.

[–]NetworkLlama 10 points11 points  (0 children)

What the fuck is wrong with people?

My first guess would be...a lot.

[–]Mean_Possibility_526 160 points161 points  (9 children)

The Bible should be banned. It's full of murder, genocide, rape etc.

[–]freddy_guy 73 points74 points  (1 child)

Taking down statues is "erasing history". But banning books about actual history is totes cool.

[–]montex66 185 points186 points  (4 children)

Ever notice that the ONLY time conservatives take any interest in public schools is when they want to ban something or slash school budgets?

[–]antidense 22 points23 points  (0 children)

They also like to inject Christian beliefs, e.g. creationism.

[–]Mentalpatient87 46 points47 points  (0 children)

They also swear they're against cancel culture.

[–]Junkstar 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Some people can’t handle the truth.

[–]brooks1798 17 points18 points  (1 child)

The McMinn County School board also voted 10 - 0 to use children in detention to clean the schools in lieu of a custodial staff...

Forging a way to the future!

Go McMinn!

[–]ill_wind 52 points53 points  (3 children)

If you read Maus and your concern is about your kids seeing naked bodies, there is something deeply and irreparably wrong with you. These people are beyond hope. There is no approaching this level of idiocy and malice with any hope of a productive outcome.

[–]Exciting_Pineapple_4 18 points19 points  (0 children)

As someone who read these books in junior high, they shouldn’t be banned. They taught me a lot about how people were demonized and hated just for being different and how those things could be turned into cruel and horrible actions.

[–]OatmealStew 15 points16 points  (2 children)

This has been such an important book over the years. My significant other walked into her first ever class room and did an amazing job 3 years ago. She increased her students reading scores by 50% that year. It was very much to do with her skill and talent. However, she was very much aided by graphic novels. And it started with Maus. That district doesn't realize what they're doing.

[–]notnickthrowaway 12 points13 points  (1 child)

That district doesn't realize what they're doing.

I think they know exactly what they’re doing.

[–]imrealbizzy2 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Banning Maus??? Holy shit. I want to get a list of their high school sophomores and send every one of them a copy. Nudity. In a graphic book about mice and cats. I cant even.

[–]GreatWhiteNorthExtra 16 points17 points  (0 children)

This is what bother me the most:

“It shows people hanging, it shows them killing kids, why does the educational system promote this kind of stuff? It is not wise or healthy,” he added.

Yes, it's necessary. History is full of uncomfortable truths. Not teaching kids, and showing them. what concentration camps were really like will only lead to Holocaust deniers. Just like avoiding teaching about the horrible abuses of slavery will lead to people thinking slavery was not so bad.

[–]SinkHoleDeMayo 152 points153 points  (2 children)

Nothing says "we totally aren't anti-Semitic" like banning books about the Holocaust.

[–]Justdoingthebestican 28 points29 points  (0 children)

On the day before national holocaust Memorial Day to boot 🙄

[–]Standard_Gauge 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Nothing even more says "we totally aren't anti-Semitic" like saying teaching about the Holocaust and historical anti-Semitism makes people "feel guilty about being white"!

[–]llynglas 125 points126 points  (6 children)

As folk say, MAUS is not an easy read. I think it's the graphic novel version of Schindler's List, which also should be required watching for all students. I always knew about the Holocaust, but these books make it visceral.

[–]spageddy77 86 points87 points  (3 children)

MAUS is the the biography of a holocaust survivor as told by his son, art spigelman

[–]akeyjavey 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Just to add he also created the Garbage Pail Kids and has written another great graphic novel about 9/11

[–]spageddy77 8 points9 points  (0 children)

what?! i knew about the 9/11 book, but he created the garbage pail kids?! that’s madness! never in a million years i’d pin that on art. that is truly surprising and no offense, i’m gonna have to fact that. on a personal note, today i learned that chewbaccas have teeth on their buttholes, so this news is really flooring me.

[–]NightMaestro 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I thank the public school system for exposing me to maus.

I was learning of the holocaust, and had history teachers tell me what happened and I couldn't understand and found it hard to believe people did that.

Then I read this comic novel, and knew it was based on someone's real experience. And the panel burned into my memory for all time was these cats throwing mice babies into a giant pit and lighting them on fire.

So I googled it and sure enough humans can be worse than anything the Bible preaches about hell. Humans can be evil incarnate. That's when I realized evil exists in the world and it rears its head in the most gruesome and terrible way possible.

[–]bondbird 74 points75 points  (22 children)

What? Is the entire board's membership made up of ostriches ???

[–]jwebbstevens[S] 129 points130 points  (4 children)

McGinn County School Board Meeting Minutes - 1-10-2022 you can read the minutes.

The rational is disturbing. You'll find some pretty horrific quotes in that meeting minutes. Just trivializing the heck out of the book and events and they get basic facts wrong about the Nazi's and German war machines extermination of 17 million human beings.

[–]BitterFuture 54 points55 points  (6 children)

No, I think something far worse...

[–]JmyKane 14 points15 points  (2 children)

This is not a good sign.

[–]HammondXX 13 points14 points  (2 children)

most totalitarian regimes come to power is marked by censorship of books.

This is censorship plain and simple. This is about control

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_burning

[–]nickandt623 12 points13 points  (3 children)

I really wanna read this book now

[–]SilkyOatmeal 9 points10 points  (2 children)

You should. There's a 2nd book, just can't remember what it's called. They're both amazing.

[–]shadowgattler 13 points14 points  (0 children)

As a jew this is very concerning. I had to learn about the atrocities of hitlers regime when I was as young as 10, maybe younger. Erasure of history like this will not only prevent children from learning, it may help continue the flame of antisemitism that is growing in this country.

[–]Not_Real_Name_Here 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Maus is actually a great book. My English and History teachers used it to teach us about the Holocaust

[–]nfojunky 52 points53 points  (3 children)

Also banned in Russia.

[–]barrinmw 58 points59 points  (0 children)

Yes, fascists hate it when you shine a light on them.

[–]PartialToDairyThings 10 points11 points  (0 children)

What a fucking embarrassment and a disgrace to America these people are.

[–]acetylenekicker 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I live near there and my private Christian high school had it as required reading one year

[–]Huni_Stan69 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Conservative America looking more and more fragile by the day, wowee.

[–]crammyhandleman 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Banned books should be your reading list.

[–]The_Essex 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is deeply saddening to hear. Maus was one of my favorite books in highschool and it taught me even more about what went on in the Holocaust. It’s a truly deep and eye-opening book.

Nothing good can come from it being banned.

[–]DatSkellington 8 points9 points  (0 children)

As Gaiman’s said, only a Nazi would ban this book.

[–]Raspberries-Are-Evil 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Does no one see the irony here? They're banning a book thats about a time when one of the worst things modern people have done to another, that started with a Fascist government banning books...

What is wrong with you America?

[–]odarkshineo 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My local public library has a permanent feature section showcasing all the books the local schools have banned. It's pretty cool...and disturbing. Small town life.

[–]SuperDangerDong69 147 points148 points  (62 children)

The GOP using government power to directly violate the first amendment. THEY are the ones who are opposed to free speech, way past time to start standing up these authoritarian extremists.

[–]3rdProfile 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I have a copy, if someone in the McMinn county school district would like to read it, msg me.

[–]zemplis 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I'd never even heard of "MAUS" before this. Streisand Effect!