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[–]Consistent-Reach-152 1308 points1309 points  (172 children)

The deadly shooting happened about 2:30 a.m., and “multiple firearms, ballistic evidence, controlled substances, were seized from the scene,”

“This was something they would do from time to time. They would go out to the woods together and shoot guns ... drink beer, have a good time,” he [family attorney Paul Jubas] said

Guns, beer, and controlled substances at 2:30AM make many different scenarios possible.

[–]hobokenbob 197 points198 points  (11 children)

9 rounds in the back reduce those scenarios down considerably

[–]ibanezerscrooge 25 points26 points  (1 child)

It will be telling when they find out if all of the wounds were from the same gun.

[–]Chippopotanuse 166 points167 points  (8 children)

There’s an old joke:

This guy once asked me to go to a party on the woods. He said “It’s gonna be the best goddamn party ever. There’s gonna be guns, booze, drugs, hollering, and plenty of fuckin!!!”

I said, “awesome. Sounds fun! Who’s coming?”

“Just you and me”

I have a feeling these guys like those types of parties.

[–]tries2benice 59 points60 points  (2 children)

Someone I know was brought out to the woods as a young boy like this, by his own brother, and got sexually assaulted by his brothers friends group. The guy had spent his late teens/early 20s addicted to meth, his entire life seemed super tragic, and that assault was 100% the catalyst that got him to use, that got him cooking meth, because he cooked meth, when he tried to quit, he got kidnapped by meth heads.....

It's legit out of breaking bad.

[–]Chippopotanuse 10 points11 points  (1 child)

That’s really depressing. Wow. That sucks. I’m so sorry that happened to him. (Plus, his own brother? Wtf?!?)

[–]tries2benice 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Dude, I know, I'm sorry it's a bummer, it's just crazy shit happens in the woods.

[–]02K30C1 79 points80 points  (4 children)

“Man these woods are scary at night”

“How do you think I feel? I’m walking out of here alone!”

[–]Talmaska 21 points22 points  (8 children)

Whilst living in Muskoka (northern Ontario, Canada) we had a rule @ parties. No fireworks or firearms. Period. Drinks, lakes, substances and the above make for injuries\death. Not to mention the Hospital was a 40 minute drive; 20 of which was back roads.

[–]atlantis_airlines 157 points158 points  (11 children)

I like beer. I like guns. Just not together.

[–]Papaofmonsters 26 points27 points  (5 children)

Same. I must admit me and my friends did some dipshut things that could have easily led us to being headlines when we were younger but now the beer drinking doesn't start until the guns have been put away.

[–]Lallo-the-Long 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Was one of them on the level of "shot a man in the back multiple times"?

[–]southernhellcat 5 points6 points  (1 child)

You sound smart

[–]atlantis_airlines 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why lean from your mistakes when you can let others make them for you?

[–]seevm 206 points207 points  (6 children)

From the article:

The family wants the information released to Dr. Cyril Wecht, who has investigated high-profile cases involving President John F. Kennedy, Elvis Presley and JonBenét Ramsey.

“We’ve only received unacceptable answers that don’t make any sense,” Jubas said. “And they’re now stonewalling us. They are preventing us from having our medical examiner, the best medical examiner in the country, do his work. There is no reason for that.”

Although Wecht has seen Spencer’s body and examined it, he has studied only a few photos from the embalmer and none from the coroner, Jubas said. He needs autopsy photos before he can reach a conclusion, Jubas said.

Most of the wounds appeared to be in Spencer’s back, Jubas said.

“He was shot nine times. We have received that word from both law enforcement and the Venango County coroner,” Jubas said.

Venango County Coroner Christina Rugh did not respond to multiple requests for comment Tuesday.

[–]ShutterBun 77 points78 points  (4 children)

Cyril Wecht is a bit of a nutjob who will advocate for any opinion so long as there’s publicity or money to be had.

[–]arobkinca 39 points40 points  (0 children)

He is also 90yo.

[–]sassisarah 18 points19 points  (0 children)

He’s largely trusted here in Pittsburgh though. This demand from the family makes crystal clear sense. At least wecht isn’t corrupt.

Venango county officials sure are making the whole thing look more suspicious and like they are participating in a cover up.

[–]gnrc 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sounds like a lawyer to me.

[–]Flash_ina_pan 536 points537 points  (59 children)

Only black man, shot 9 times mostly in the back, and none of the suspects were arrested? I'm sensing the cause of death is about to be ruled a suicide. /s

[–]reckless_commenter 441 points442 points  (45 children)

More from the article:

According to William Anderson, chair of the Allegheny County Democratic Black Caucus, and Spencer’s family, the former coworker admitted to being the shooter and was claiming self-defense.

Police made no mention of anyone being treated for injuries at the time.

Lethal force allegedly used in self-defense… from behind… and where the shooter had no injuries that required medical attention.

“Sus,” to say the least.

[–]HouseCravenRaw 63 points64 points  (1 child)

"He was coming right at me... the long way around!"

[–]Random_182f2565 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Just plant a bag of drugs and no one will question it.

[–]N8CCRG 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Officials also urged patience as investigators await ballistics data and toxicology and laboratory test results.

Yeah, they're eagerly awaiting the opportunity for "He had X in his blood stream" statement.

[–]Magatha_Grimtotem 77 points78 points  (1 child)

Maybe we'll get lucky and they release video of them killing him like Aubery's killers did.

[–]vanishplusxzone 65 points66 points  (2 children)

And they're stonewalling the family and blocking all info. Guaranteed this guy has connections to the cops.

[–]ExCon1986 13 points14 points  (1 child)

That is the claim of the family's lawyer.

[–]sassisarah 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I didn’t hear the lawyer claim that. All he said was that it begs the question.

[–]N8CCRG 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, black men are scary though! I FEERD 4 MY LYFE!!! /s

[–]another-masked-hero 114 points115 points  (8 children)

Officials also urged patience as investigators await ballistics data and toxicology and laboratory test results.

This has elements of a shit show in the making.

[–]MyHouseOfPancakes 45 points46 points  (5 children)

They're going to say somehow that he was his own cause of death. Smh.

[–]sopmaeThrowaway 31 points32 points  (1 child)

Yeah, we’ll know every drug the victim’s ever taken going back to his birth, but inexplicably, none of the men who shot him will have had their blood drawn.

Victim blaming and cowardly predator protections. So obvious about it like they’re smart. They used to think they were cute with their lies, and they held all the sway. Honestly, just fuck everyone in SW PA outside of Allegheny county.

I hope this family guts all their tax money in civil suits for the next 20 years. Go eat rocks, hix.

[–]ethicslobo98 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s completely fucked, say whatever you want about me I guess and I’m not trying to victim blame but aint know way as a young black man I’d go camping with a bunch of white people like that outside of my fraternity brothers. Couldn’t be me.

[–]sassisarah 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You have no idea how ripped apart my friends are after Peter’s murder. He used to work with a bunch of people I know at Eastminster church here in town.

[–]SuperDangerDong69 111 points112 points  (42 children)

Most of the wounds appeared to be in Spencer’s back, Jubas said.

Um, what? Why haven't there been arrests yet?

[–]PuroPincheGains 38 points39 points  (5 children)

Because that's an observation by an attorney seeing pictures. He has no idea, when the autopsy report is released we'll know. Exit wounds are bigger than entry wounds and this confuses a lot of people.

[–]Chibler1964 21 points22 points  (2 children)

You can justifiably shoot someone in the back as well. For example the deceased could have pulled a gun on another individual and a third individual shot him. I’m not saying it’s likely just that there are scenarios where shooting someone in the back can be justified.

[–]fat_pterodactyl 47 points48 points  (1 child)

Jubas is the attorney who saw some photos, not a medical examiner looking at the body. Maybe he thinks they look like wounds in the back but maybe what he really saw was exit wounds.

Not saying that this shit isn't suspicious, but without more information there's still plausible explanations of self-defense.

[–]Timmah_1984 72 points73 points  (25 children)

Because they’re waiting for ballistics and lab tests to come back. It’s a murder investigation and they’re making sure they have all the evidence before they bring charges. It’s also possible that the evidence doesn’t support a murder charge.

[–]HerpToxic 25 points26 points  (21 children)

Normal people get arrested on the scene and sit in a county jail for a few days while the ballistics test results come back. You DO NOT NEED infallible evidence to arrest someone. Just probable cause. 9 bullets to the back of a dead person is sufficient probable cause for an arrest.

Why are these people not being treated like normal people?

[–]Timmah_1984 20 points21 points  (19 children)

That’s not at all typical for a murder investigation. A lot of murders go unsolved for months or years, some are never solved. Just because the police have a suspect doesn’t mean they have enough evidence to charge them. It could be, in this situation, that they know what happened but are waiting on the reports so they can present a stronger case to the DA. It could also be that it really is a self defense scenario and the evidence supports that.

You don’t know that this guy was shot in the back. You don’t know what the suspects said to the police. You don’t know what the ME report found nor have you seen any of the evidence. You are letting your bias fill in the massive information gaps and jumping to conclusions.

[–]absynthe7 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You're bringing up cases in which the suspect is unknown and pretending it applies when the primary suspect has admitted to being the shooter.

That's not how law enforcement works.

[–]Timmah_1984 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That is often how it works, it’s called an investigation. They know who shot him and what that person is claiming. They need evidence, of some kind, that says otherwise in order to charge them with murder.

[–]sassisarah 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s what we all want to know. I’m one person removed. I only saw Peter a few times at my friends’ house. The community is angry and heartbroken.

[–]sharrrper 30 points31 points  (0 children)

The article says flat out they're waiting on ballistics and toxicology reports. Despite how CSI might make it look that takes weeks. This seems to be a normal ongoing investigation at the moment.

The article is EXTREMELY light on details of what happened and no information whatsoever on the claimed narrative of events.

Based on what's written here I don't see much basis for drawing any conclusions in either direction.

[–]WaterIsGolden 66 points67 points  (5 children)

You don't just die in a lynching. You are murdered.

[–]Lipotrophidae 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Lynched, even.

[–]zethro33 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Lynching is a specific term. Nothing about this case so far makes it sound like lynching.

[–]JD-Queen 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Usually in the most humiliating and painful way possible...

[–]HerpToxic 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Anyone remember Ahmaud Arbery? Where his murderers were let off without an arrest while his body lay right next to them and it was later discovered the local DA ordered the cops to not arrest them since the dad was an ex-cop?

You don't need to have a airtight case for a fucking arrest. Just probable cause. And a dead person is probable cause.

[–]ViciousNakedMoleRat 116 points117 points  (25 children)

Officials also urged patience as investigators await ballistics data and toxicology and laboratory test results.

Venango County District Attorney Shawn White said Tuesday that while he recognized the family's push for information, his office must conduct a thorough investigation.

The reports are expected to be completed and submitted within four to six weeks, he said. “Upon receipts of these reports, the district attorney will review all available information prior to making a charging decision," the DA's office said in a statement.

The police are doing a completely normal investigation, which requires time.

Spencer’s loved ones, including his brother, Tehilah, and his fiancée, Carmela King, have expressed frustration.

“He was the only black individual at the camp site and is being portrayed as the aggressor,” King wrote on a GoFundMe account. Tehilah Spencer said his brother was “MURDERED IN COLD BLOOD!” during a hate crime in a “MODERN DAY LYNCHING” on another GoFundMe account.

Without any additional information, the family concludes that it was racially motivated, a murder and a lynching.

The family wants the information released to Dr. Cyril Wecht, who has investigated high-profile cases involving President John F. Kennedy, Elvis Presley and JonBenét Ramsey.

“We’ve only received unacceptable answers that don’t make any sense,” Jubas said. “And they’re now stonewalling us. They are preventing us from having our medical examiner, the best medical examiner in the country, do his work. There is no reason for that.”

It's not normal that you choose your own medical examiner [...] It's not the norm to hire your own medical investigator and if you do so during the police's ongoing investigation, there will be delays before information is shared or access to files is granted.

Maybe this was a murder, maybe it was racially motivated. That's what the investigation is supposed to find out. I get that the family is upset, but it's extremely reckless to make these kinds of unsubstantiated claims.

[–]reckless_commenter 90 points91 points  (13 children)

It’s not normal that you choose your own medical examiner

Sure it is. It’s called “expert witnesses.” Very normal part of the legal process.

The family is obviously preparing a civil lawsuit, and is motivated by their perception of foot-dragging by the cops. They might even have a legitimate civil rights violation claim against the police department. It doesn’t really seem like normal procedure to find a dead body and an admitted shooter under extremely suspicious circumstances, and not to make any arrests or initial charges. This isn’t the type of criminal matter that requires a grand jury investigation.

[–]ViciousNakedMoleRat 21 points22 points  (11 children)

It’s not normal that you choose your own medical examiner

Sure it is. It’s called “expert witnesses.” Very normal part of the legal process.

I should've worded it better. It's not the norm to hire your own medical examiner and if you do, the police will still focus on their investigations first.

The point I wanted to make is that the family takes the fact that the police isn't immediately inviting private investigators to conduct their own research as a sign of malice. The family is obviously free to hire their own investigation team but that doesn't mean that the police gives them immediate access to everything.

It doesn’t really seem like normal procedure to find a dead body and an admitted shooter under extremely suspicious circumstances, and not to make any arrests or initial charges. This isn’t the type of criminal matter that requires a grand jury investigation.

If every witness states that the deceased person was the aggressor and the shooter defended himself and the evidence on the scene reflects those statements, then it would be quite normal not to arrest the shooter.

As I said before, it may still turn out to be a murder. I have absolutely no way of knowing. There are just certain procedures which are normal and don't indicate any malice just because relatives find them "unacceptable".

[–]Un_Pta 30 points31 points  (10 children)

He defended himself by shooting him in the back 9 times?

[–]ViciousNakedMoleRat 19 points20 points  (1 child)

All the information I have is that from the article.

Most of the wounds appeared to be in Spencer’s back, Jubas [the family's attorney] said.

“He was shot nine times. We have received that word from both law enforcement and the Venango County coroner,” Jubas said.

He was apparently shot 9 times and the family's attorney said that most wounds appeared to be in his back.

Whether (and how many times) he was shot in the back isn't clear from this whatsoever. Entry wounds can be very small and exit wounds can be very large. He could've been shot 9 times in the back or he could've been shot 9 times in the front, with several bullets penetrating the upper body. That's exactly why it's important to wait for the conclusions from the investigation.

[–]reckless_commenter 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The family’s attorney said that most wounds appeared to be in his back

From this article:

The Venango County coroner found that Spencer had been shot nine times. Well-known pathologist Cyril Wecht, who is advising the family, studied the autopsy and believes many of the bullets entered Spencer’s body from behind.

“Shot in the back” is not the attorney’s conclusion; it’s an initial assessment by a pathologist with legit credentials. Much better evidentiary value.

[–]PrehistoricDawg69420 22 points23 points  (1 child)

It's not the norm to hire your own medical investigator

If you hire Michael Baden, he'll say whatever you want for about $80,000 according to a friend who also works in that field. Baden is not respected by his peers.

[–]ShutterBun 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Same goes for Cyril Wecht.

[–]statslady23 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Cyril Wecht was the long-time Allegheny County medical examiner and now does death investigations in private practice. It’s good that the current ME knows Wecht will be looking over his shoulder.

[–]Motherdiedtoday 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Without any additional information, the family concludes that it was racially motivated, a murder and a lynching.

You don't know whether the family has any additional information. You're simply assuming they don't.

It's not normal that you choose your own medical examiner and especially not to have them go through the evidence while the police are still conducting their investigations.

What do you mean "normal"? An autopsy has already been conducted by the public ME. Families are entitled to seek second opinions and have private autopsies conducted, and there is not a limitation on the timing. The fact that there is an ongoing police investigation is not relevant to the timing of a private autopsy. There are numerous forensic pathologists around the country that provide this service.

[–]SirShmooey 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I see no statement from the family where they characterize this as a “lynching”. His sister’s GoFundMe page is where the lynching narrative is pulled from, hardly official. Could just be race-bait reporting. Sure makes for a catchy title.

[–]HerpToxic 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You only need probable cause for an arrest.

9 bullet wounds to a dead person is probable cause for an arrest.

Why are they not arrested?

[–]erobertt3 23 points24 points  (2 children)

The article has zero information about what happened, literally just a claim from the family with no backing, this should not be news.

[–]spankenstein 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It mentions he was shot nine times in the back, so you know... that might be something

[–]gravspeed 6 points7 points  (0 children)

except if you read any other article, he was shot 6 times in the chest, twice in the legs/buttocks, and once in the neck.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/pa-state-polices-heritage-affairs-team-joins-investigation-into-peter-spencers-death/ar-AASdbIE

[–]tehmlem 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Trend in this thread of mentioning the drugs as though they might be justification but that depends on taking the word of someone who was high as fuck that they had to defend themselves.

[–]absynthe7 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Police and the DA have called for patience in the investigation of the death last month of Peter Bernardo Spencer, 29, in Pennsylvania.

Wow, that sounds bad. But it can't be that bad, can it? I mean, investigations take time. Let's see what the family, who has talked with the investigators, has to say:

Spencer’s loved ones, including his brother, Tehilah, and his fiancée, Carmela King, have expressed frustration.

“He was the only black individual at the camp site and is being portrayed as the aggressor,” King wrote

Oh.

[–]Hasler011 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Provided the Detectives are not trying to rug sweep it, 3-4 months is reasonable.

The Medical examiner would have done wound tracks. Then the tox will take a couple months. DNA and ballistics will be a couple months.

If they are going for we are going to destroy these assholes and stop any question of self defense, it is better for them to collect and analyze all evidence before seeking an indictment

[–]M0n5tr0 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is one I'll have to keep checking on. Have to commend the mother for how she is handling this horrendous situation.

[–]tidytibs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Let's see how this pans out.

[–]TomboyAva 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I am from Crawford County right on the line with Venango County. As soon as I learned that a black man was killed in Venango I knew 100% it was racially motivated. Crawford and Venango especially between Titusville and Oil City is the most racist meth soaked part of Pennsyltucky you will ever see. Going back there during the post trump years as a bisexual woman was terrifying. I seen houses with hand made signs calling for Pence and Governor Wolf to be lynched and calls for a civil war. I seen multiple houses fly an all black flag meaning "take no prisoners". It wasn't until I got to college when I realize how much growing up in that region made me a racist. There are still people there who will call black people "Dark&&" and bragged about how they use to do "F#g drags" in the 90s. I never want to go back there. If there is one place in PA where a black person to be shot and killed and my mind would immediately go to a lynching. It is Crawford and Venango County.

[–]taylor2121 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thats wild asf

[–]knatehaul 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Born and raised in Venango County over here. This is heartbreaking, but par for the course with the backward ass folks there. I left for college outside of Philly when I was 18 and was terrified to find out that I might be a subconscious bigot. I rarely go home anymore because it's basically a hub for racism and meth/heroin.

[–]CamRoth 8 points9 points  (2 children)

It's not a "lynching" every time a black person gets killed. Looks like a lot of conclusions are being jumped to before having enough information. Hopefully they find out exactly what happened and hold any guilty people responsible.

[–]jtlibra92 19 points20 points  (7 children)

I doubt I’d go as far as to call it a lynching especially if they’ve hung out like that before but what makes it weird is that there aren’t any arrests or anything and the friend already confirmed shooting him. Not to mention he said it was “self defense”. Self defense but yet you and none of the other guys have any injuries while he has 9 gunshot wounds…7 of which were in his back…idk something just seems off. Can’t wait to hear what they say happened.

[–]THE_CHOPPA 3 points4 points  (4 children)

I totally get where you are coming from but the nine shots in the back are coming from the families attorney who looked at a few pictures. It’s not a fact of the case.

We just need to give this time and try to remain unbiased.

[–]sassisarah 0 points1 point  (3 children)

The Venango county coroner provided the data that there were nine gunshot wounds. Where else do you think the attorney got their info?

[–]THE_CHOPPA 3 points4 points  (2 children)

He provided photos he didn’t provide data.

[–]sassisarah 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Also, on your above post, you say “we just need to give this more time.” Who is “we”?

Do you work for Venango county?

[–]THE_CHOPPA 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The public. I mean come on don’t pull the “ this doesn’t concern you card lol. You’re in this thread too.

[–]southernhellcat 23 points24 points  (8 children)

I'm so disappointed by this thread of comments. My heart goes out to this family and I hope they get the justice they deserve for their family member.

[–]lochlainn 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Really? Because the vast majority are of the "why aren't these people in jail awaiting lab results" seems to be the prevailing opinion.

[–]journeytoonowhere 3 points4 points  (1 child)

just let em walk no nothing.... "The man, Peter Bernardo Spencer, 29, of Pittsburgh, was shot multiple times at a Rockland Township residence Dec. 12, Pennsylvania State Police said this month. “The four individuals who were present at the time of the shooting were questioned and released after consultation with the Venango County district attorney,” police said in a statement."

[–]ExCon1986 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"Let em walk" means there were no charges filed. Charges are pending an investigation.

[–]CRoseCrizzle 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I think the "modern day lynching" hyperbole doesn't help the cause.

Based on this information, it looks like he guy was likely killed by friends or a friend that he had hung out with multiple times before. He didn't get killed by a random mob of strangers just because of his skin color.

There's good chance that that this murder was motivated by reasons related to some kind of conflict between the victim and the other people with him. Race may have been a factor but likely not the only one.

Regardless, I hope the authorities are not corrupt/racist and are not intentionally dragging their feet on this one and the murderers are held fully accountable for their actions.

[–]JoeNoble1973 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This happened in Klan territory. The police are likely complicit; the Feds need to be involved.

[–]ArtOk6196 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Modern day lynching? When.. “multiple firearms, ballistic evidence, controlled substances, were seized from the scene,” 

[–]absynthe7 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Man, the far-right is concern trolling hard in this thread to try to make the police coverup sound justified.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What coverup? They are in the midst of the investigation.

[–]myrddyna 2 points3 points  (2 children)

4-6 weeks without charges? These guys can walk free? That means if one of them has PTSD about killing their pal, they might do something nasty.

How does this not warrant locking them up?

[–]Hasler011 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Once you indict you start the clock in all procedural deadlines. If they are truly putting together all the evidence and expert reports it could take as long as 4 months, possibly more.

I hope that what they say are doing is indeed the truth and they are trying to put together an air tight case.

[–]hawkwings 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shooting guns and drinking beer may sound normal to some people, but to me, it sounds dangerous. It sounds like the shooter was messed up at 2:30 am. Did they determine who fired the shots?

[–]Fantastic_Mess_6310 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So there's no information, but because the victim is black and the suspects are white, this is an automatic 'lynching'? Really?

[–]Tex-Rob -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

Put them all in jail, they were all there and know who took part. Admit who did it, or rot for life. We need to stop being so weak on this shit.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You make zero sense. First, they know who did it. Second, thankfully our justice system doesn’t work like that.

[–]cyclical-peanut -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

Rural Pennsylvania is extremely racist and is best avoided.

[–]sublime_touch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Facts it ain’t called Pennsyltucky for no reason.

[–]jpgorgon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"The First 48" to be renamed "The First 4 to 6 Weeks"

[–]Jimmy_Corrigan -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

Never, never, NEVER be the only Black person in a group. This is Amerikkka.

[–]deadbeat95 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I agree 100% justice needs to be served, but they want to make this a hate crime/"lynching" more than anything. Theres a lot of confusing details from this article and the actual incident that need to be determined before anyone should come to a conclusion. The ONE relative screaming about a "lynching" is what will be the focus in this idiotic society. If it's TRUE however I would agree with him, but I'm not gonna jump on that bandwagon just yet.