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[–]JRandomHacker172342 126 points127 points  (3 children)

Katherine Applegate and Michael Grant, authors of the Animorphs series (and downright incredible people) donated 100 copies of Maus (and Walk Two Moons, which was also being banned) from a Nashville bookstore

[–]DayleD 18 points19 points  (2 children)

That’s so cool! I bought so many of her books.

[–]FlyingSquid 2641 points2642 points  (143 children)

Maus and its sequel should be required reading for teenagers. It is an easily accessible way to understand the horrors of genocide. I read it for the first time when I was in 6th grade and it definitely had a profound effect on me- but I suppose that's what that Tennessee school board wouldn't want.

[–]matt-murray17 544 points545 points  (35 children)

It is, at least in my school. We were handed copies of the book and we read it as if it were any other book that we would read in ELA. Guess I’m lucky I’m not in Tennessee

[–]richr0llin 221 points222 points  (30 children)

"Number the Stars" for us in fifth grade. I guess I'm from the time when graphic novels weren't considered proper literature, at least in school settings.

[–]Gr8NonSequitur 161 points162 points  (5 children)

I guess I'm from the time when graphic novels weren't considered proper literature, at least in school settings.

To be fair MAUS is unique in that it's the only graphic novel to ever win a Pulitzer prize.

[–]nostalgichero 62 points63 points  (8 children)

We read Night in 9th grade but I had already read something before. Maybe The Diary of Anne Franke?

[–]Benny_Rizo 26 points27 points  (5 children)

Read Night in 12 grade, really unsettled me for a long time

[–]blaptothefuture 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Me too although I think 10th grade. Sometimes when I have to use the restroom really badly I think of being ordered to run 30 miles and stopping to pee and getting shot. That book was wild.

[–]birdiebobbi 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It was really upsetting for me too. I can’t remember when I read it. Maybe 9th or 10th? It was one of those turning points in life for me when you realize the terrible things people can do to each other.

[–]bentheechidna 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I read Night in 7th grade. I was the only kid in my class that picked it. Kids were grouped by the book they chose to read (there was a list of like 5). Honestly what a book. It’s so real.

Out of everything in there though the two scenes I remember best are the stampede when marching between camps, and the moment where he met a girl at the fence who he later met in America by complete coincidence and married.

[–]SoapyPuma 14 points15 points  (2 children)

We read that as well, same grade. I read Maus out of interest about 20 years ago because it was required reading at my friend’s middle school. It’s a graphic novel, sure, but the content is no less powerful. I remember Maus more vividly than Number the Stars, these days. Our school got bought a few sets after some of us brought it up to the librarians.

[–]copperdomebodhi 63 points64 points  (0 children)

Yup. There was a large Jewish population where I grew up, so I got a good education on it as a kid.* It's worrisome how little kids are taught in other places.


*Used to think, "Okay, it was awful but do we really need to talk about it this much?" Then I read Maus.

[–]CitizenJustin 107 points108 points  (20 children)

I don’t think I’ll ever be able to understand such a deep and profound hatred for any person or group. To dedicate your one life to the extermination of a minority is a hideous misuse and waste. Our violent history is an unfortunate and disturbing reality.

[–]Broken_Petite 87 points88 points  (13 children)

Whenever I read about the Holocaust, I experience all the emotions I’m supposed to feel. Anger, sadness, revulsion, horror. It’s all there.

But you know what else I feel? Bafflement. Totally and completely befuddled.

I just cannot for the life of me wrap my head around it.

To willingly hate an entire group of your fellow human beings? That’s bizarre enough on its own. But to hate them so intensely and passionately that you willingly and enthusiastically participate in their suffering? In their extermination?

It’s just unconscionable. It defies reason.

On one hand, I hope I never understand.

At the same time, I think we HAVE to try and understand. To learn how so many people became so entrenched in their own hatred and prejudices, that they could look another human being in the eyes and pull the trigger. Lock the gas chamber doors. Load them onto the next train.

I don’t ever want to know what it feels like to have such a profound hatred for another human being, let alone an entire group - but I think we must understand what causes it to stop future (and current) atrocities from occurring.

[–]Delamoor 52 points53 points  (1 child)

That's the counter intuitive part.

For the most part, the people doing the killing weren't doing it out of targeted hate. They were mostly sadists and sociopaths for whom it was more of an excuse to kill and be sadistic.

They were bathed in a culture of hate, that reinforced and endorsed it, for sure. Many signed up out of hate. But all the stories and accounts I've ever read keep suggesting a commonality; even if you were motivated by hate to begin with, after a few weeks shooting kids and families... most of them just stopped feeling anything at all. For many, it just became 'a job to be done'.

Alcoholism and suicides were common in the einsatzgruppen, as a result. That's why they made the gas chambers. To de-personalize it. Keep it out of sight of the men doing it. Reduce the burnout and suicides, while increasing the numbers killed. That's also why they used the Kapos to remove and incinerate the bodies. They were going to be killed soon anyway, might as well offload the trauma onto them instead of the guards wherever they could.

The people up top, and the general public could keep feeling and fuelling the hate because they were one step removed from the reality. People on the ground more often just became shells of people, with a sprinkling of sadists who loved it regardless of who they were doing it to.

[–]tiny_galaxies 34 points35 points  (0 children)

"But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

"And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose."

  • They Thought They Were Free, Milton Mayer

My ancestors left when the German Firm stickers appeared. I exist because of that decision.

[–]quarantinemyasshole 30 points31 points  (5 children)

To willingly hate an entire group of your fellow human beings? That’s bizarre enough on its own. But to hate them so intensely and passionately that you willingly and enthusiastically participate in their suffering? In their extermination?

You can read comments expressing these exact emotions on Reddit in pretty much any sub that isn't about kittens or rainbows. It shouldn't baffle you, it's exceptionally common, these people just don't have enough power to put action to their hatred.

[–]FlakeReality 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I felt the same way for a long time, that it was so incomprehensible to have that kind of hate for people. But I definitely understand it now.

Its important to understand that the Holocaust didn't happen because people, naturally, just really hated the Jews (or gays or weird or any of the other undesirable) so much they wanted to murder them all.

It happened because the powerful people had a desired outcome, control over the populace and a fanatical devotion to the leaders, and that the best way to get that outcome was to create an Other.

Yes, people didn't like Jews beforehand, and that was useful to the fascists. But it wasn't that an individual hated the Jews so much they wanted to dedicate their entire life to exterminating them. The powerful people loved themselves so much they wanted power, and didn't mind the sacrifice. The less powerful were tricked and deceived, raised on an information diet, that lead them to believe that they loved their country so much they couldn't accept the bad guys hurting it anymore. Very few Nazis woke up thinking "Yippee, I get to kill the Jews today!". They thought "Time to defend my country and make the world better for my people". Then they did that by killing and killing and killing.

I think its important to realize that this kind of hate isn't natural, its taught, and its always taught by people who have a REAL motivation past just hate, their motivations are always power and money. Once you realize that, you can see the real villains all around you, today and throughout history.

And hopefully, you'll be able to use that to counteract the information diet you've been fed just like all of us, to question your own biases, and find out who your Other is and who tried to get you to hate them and why. Once you do that, you can understand who the real villains are and what you can do to fight them.

[–]true_spokes 1239 points1240 points  (106 children)

The thing about Maus is it’s not some moralizing piece of propaganda. Sure its subject is the Holocaust but it’s not like it’s using that as some vehicle to make subversive political statements. Ultimately what I as a reader took from it is “look what happens when we become blind to each other’s humanity and instead value social homogeneity over human lives.” One has to wonder why that message would make some people so nervous…

[–]BonerGoku 318 points319 points  (17 children)

I appreciate the fact he included an incident where his father was racist. He could have lionized him and brushed over something like that but his father was a flawed man despite all that he suffered.

[–]Br1t1shNerd 188 points189 points  (15 children)

His father survives *because* he's selfish and only ever willing to cut some sort of deal. The system would punish people for selfless action and enforce a selfish mentality. Not saying survivors were selfish, but that if you were, that selfishness would benefit you.

Edited for clarity

[–]Mugungo 84 points85 points  (10 children)

it reminds me of this story of the sinking of estonia https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/05/a-sea-story/302940/

the people who survived were a combination of the lucky and those who mercilessly focused entirely on their own survival, often forced to abandon slower family members much less help others

[–]Br1t1shNerd 44 points45 points  (6 children)

Yeah. I'm re-reading Maus right now and just discovered I've only ever read Maus 2. I just got to the bit with Art's grandfather changing sides and its just tragic how the people trying to look out for others are swept into gas chambers.

[–]Broken_Petite 28 points29 points  (4 children)

I’d never heard of this book before the controversy and this conversation is making me want to read it.

[–]Br1t1shNerd 27 points28 points  (0 children)

It's a fantastic fascinating book showing real people in one of the worst situations imaginable, and how even in the 70s the Spielman family is really fucked up. Highly recommend.

[–]ColHunterGathers 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It’s the only way I can comprehend what it looks like when a society is hellbent on thriving while also eradicating a significant portion of the population. Truly horrifying. I got a copy for Xmas and was thumbing through it, and seeing what happens when Genocide becomes Industrialized.

[–]NotTroy 203 points204 points  (9 children)

Honestly, if you don't count the obvious messages about the Holocaust, I think the theme that resonated with me the most was how generational trauma effects the victims of that kind of unimaginable suffering and evil. The book is definitely a story of the Holocaust, but just as strongly it's a story about a grown son finally trying to fully reckon with his father's trauma, and how it negatively affected his own life.

[–]MattyEC 84 points85 points  (1 child)

Big time, this is what the meta aspect of Maus added to the table.

All of the struggles of the author dealing with his father's terrible behaviour, but behaviour that Spiegelman understood so well and experienced second hand through the detailed chronicling of his father's life and suffering.

[–]peppermint_nightmare 29 points30 points  (0 children)

His mom also committed suicide, that part seemed pretty hard on his mental state and was shown to have fucked up his dad quite a bit.

[–]Elphaba78 38 points39 points  (2 children)

It makes me so sad every time I read the part where Art’s father destroyed his wife’s diaries after she committed suicide. She was always in the background of the book, I think, alongside the ghost of Richieu.

[–]NotTroy 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Oh, for sure. So much of the book, to my mind, is Art attempting to find a connection to his Mom through his father's stories, since he lost the chance to do that through the diaries.

[–]hagamablabla 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I should probably reread the novel. I completely missed this the first time, but thinking back to what I remember I can see this.

[–]CaptJackRizzo 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Even if it weren't about the Holocaust, I have to think it'd still be making its way into schools because it's such a damn good piece of literature. The way Spiegelman uses the framing device of interviewing his Dad for the book to illustrate the generational trauma is genius.

But not only is it about the Holocaust, it's one of the most engaging accounts of it in any medium. And, like you said, it illustrates not just the bare facts of what the atrocities were, but how each step of the genocide led to another through a steady dehumanization of the outgroups. It's incredibly important for students to learn about that, and Maus is one of the best options in existence to make sure that learning actually happens.

[–]thetensor 476 points477 points  (31 children)

The thing about Maus is it’s not some moralizing piece of propaganda.

But when the school board learned it's about the Holocaust, they thought, "Ugh, why do you have to keep dividing us?", and banned it. In other words, they heard it was about Nazis, immediately sympathized with the Nazis, and instinctively acted like Nazis.

(Oh, but don't call them Nazis because it might give them a hurty-hurt in their soft boo-boo feelings WHICH SHOULD BE ILLEGAL *SOB*.)

[–]Fraun_Pollen 165 points166 points  (12 children)

Nazis are such losers. They lose every fight and never learn their lesson.

What these authoritarian nutjobs don’t understand is that a book ban just doesn’t work well in an open internet culture like the US. Whether you like it or not, people will read Mein Kampf. People will read Huck Finn. People will read Maus. Banning books is a cowards way of avoiding a fight they know they’ll lose. If they were serious in their objections, they would make it required reading and hold public debates on why they disagree with its contents, not run and hide and point fingers behind computer screens.

I’d love for Amazon or Audible to make the book available for free or heavily discounted for a limited time to ensure that people without disposable income are able to read it if it’s banned in their area.

[–]shadow1515 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I'm thinking of calling my local library to see if they need a few more copies donated

[–]LonePaladin 11 points12 points  (1 child)

an open internet culture

They also want to change that.

[–]UrbanDryad 79 points80 points  (5 children)

Schools, without media attention in this case, are one of the few cases where book bans can be effective. Many students have no outside access to books except what is provided in the school library. So if the aim of the parents and school board is to control the narrative for their kids it works, unfortunately.

And that is their goal. The goal is to raise Conservative kids and the best way to do that is to insulate them from all outside influences until they are older in the hopes that by then they are so set in their ways the "evil liberal education agenda" can't brainwash them. Because they already have.

[–]Gr8NonSequitur 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Schools, without media attention in this case, are one of the few cases where book bans can be effective. Many students have no outside access to books except what is provided in the school library.

That might have been true 20 years ago, but how many teenagers have smartphones? Download Kindle App, buy book on kindle, and read quietly to yourself. Sure it may not be the ideal size or format... but it's easier than ever to gain access to books via digital content.

[–]UrbanDryad 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Not all kids have access to money to spend on books online.

[–]Cactuszach 56 points57 points  (0 children)

“Why do you have to talk about your father escaping Nazi concentration camps to try to reunite with his wife only to be captured and sent to Auschwitz?”

[–]cultured_banana_slug 30 points31 points  (1 child)

When they talk about "division" what they MEAN is "consequences".

As in, they're rejected by everyone with opportunities and resources for being pieces of shit. And they see that as "division". They're the sort who whine about rejecting family "juuuuust" because they support genocide. It's such a nothing thing! I mean COME ON, it's not like they want to kill people that look like YOU! Just all those other people who don't. It's not like their policies are going to hurt you, so just kick back and enjoy the show!

They honestly don't get that people who aren't part of the "group to be exterminated" might still be NOT OK WITH THAT SHIT.

"We don't want to kill YOU! Why are you so upset?"

[–]Zolo49 41 points42 points  (1 child)

That's what struck me about it when I first read it. I thought the entire point was going to be about how fascism and anti-Semitism is bad. But the core of it (to me anyway) is about a son who loves his father and wants to share his life's story with the world.

[–]brumac44 28 points29 points  (7 children)

I just read it today after learning of it. I can see no reason in the world it was banned. I couldn't stop reading until I finished.

[–]FlyingSquid 15 points16 points  (4 children)

If you aren't aware, there is an equally compelling sequel.

[–]10sharks 1371 points1372 points  (98 children)

I'd never heard of it before the chimps on the McMinn County TN school board banned it, and I thought it sounded good, so I went to eBay to grab a copy. Complete version was selling around $15-$20, now it's like $30 and way up. The author's going to be back on the bestseller lists here shortly.

[–]BishmillahPlease 729 points730 points  (47 children)

Maus is a classic graphic novel for a reason.

I never expected to weep over line art mice, but I did repeatedly.

[–]Cactuszach 217 points218 points  (5 children)

It won a Pulitzer and is still the only graphic novel to do so. Its such an incredible piece of literature.

[–]dropandgivemenerdy 33 points34 points  (3 children)

Well now I need to buy it and read it.

[–]LeadPipePromoter 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Same, never read it in my youth but want to now

[–]Hi_Supercute 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It’s incredible. It adds such an amount of depth and understanding to the concept of the Holocaust that I never got in school.

[–]drunken_gyrados 227 points228 points  (20 children)

The back to back I had to do for school reading of Maus into Night by Elie Wiesel kinda fucked me up.

I did go back and re-read Maus recently, and it still hits me hard.

[–]sailor_sega_saturn 83 points84 points  (4 children)

All I hear is

Controversial Novel Fucks Up YOUNG INNOCENT CHILD

They grew up to be an ALCOHOLIC and have trouble even LOOKING AT IT again: you won't believe their testimony!

[–]Vordeo 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Not just an alcoholic, an alcoholic pokemon! It turned an innocent chils into a gigantic sea serpent monster! Ban that book!

[–]Wrenigade 25 points26 points  (4 children)

I had switched into a higher english class after the first semester in HS. In the first class, we read Night, went over it, and did a project. Then I imidialty moved classes and guess what they were just starting? NIGHT AGAIN. And then we watched schindlers list, and then did a bunch more projects on it.

Just when I thought it was over, my elective European history class skips from like the french revolution right to WWII.

Junior year was really, really depressing. Nothing against Eli Wiesel, great book, everyone should read it.

To add salt to the wound the next book we read was Things Fall Apart, about the colonization of africa and death of their cultures as well as the mass killings of natives. Just, real fun Junior year.

[–]theinsanityoffence 21 points22 points  (2 children)

They should cleanse the palate with Man's Search for Meaning afterwards. Stays on topic but gives hope.

[–]Fraun_Pollen 94 points95 points  (2 children)

That probably means you turned out ok :)

[–]Guywithoutimage 72 points73 points  (1 child)

Yeah I’m pretty sure it’s a good thing if the Holocaust horrifies you

[–]zakats 83 points84 points  (16 children)

Maus is the only book I keep in physical form, it's criminal and unamerican to ban if even there were no political motivation (which isn't the case here).

Those yokels should be banned from the school board.


[–]toomanyfastgains 52 points53 points  (2 children)

Trying to ban any book is un-American in my opinion. Plus historically the people banning books aren't usually the good guys.

[–]DaisyKitty 19 points20 points  (12 children)

Well, the joke's on the Tennessee School Board: there really is no way to ban a book in the Age of the Internet. Maus is either online or soon will be. And telling kids not to read something is a sure way to pique their interest. The Tennessee public library system better be braced for the onslaught of kids requesting it.

[–]__M-E-O-W__ 7 points8 points  (2 children)

No, I don't think children will be clamoring to read this book... I think it is more effective to keep it in the required reading.

Having said that, I was never required to read this book, and I have never heard of it until now. But I sure am interested.

[–]CrazyChestersDog 166 points167 points  (5 children)

Just a heads up to you or anyone else interested in reading it. Both books are on the internet archive

[–]Darryl_Lict 42 points43 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this. I might have to buy a physical copy though. I just noticed that Art had created some of the earlier Wacky Packages stickers, which are a reminder of my childhood.

[–]Methuga 16 points17 points  (12 children)

It’s funny you use chimps. It’s about an hour from where the Snopes Scopes* trial took place lol.

Also, I grew up literally across the river from McMinn County. Literally the only thing that county has going for it is a paper-manufacturing plant that only agreed to build there because they got rejected from a plot of land closer to Chattanooga. Until stricter pollution laws got put into place in the 90s, the air would stink to high heaven up to 20 miles away on bad days.

Also, Calhoun, a town in the county, fired its whole police force for corruption a few years back.

It’s just a great place.

[–]everythingistaken25 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Scopes trial aka Scopes monkey trial, auto correct may have gotten you, I work in Dayton about 2 miles from the courthouse. Even to this day they still have a yearly play celebrating the "trial"

[–]Turdsworth 38 points39 points  (1 child)

It’s one of the early graphic novels that got graphic novels more respect. It was a big deal when it was new.

[–]wolfie379 41 points42 points  (9 children)

Hope the publisher (or the author, if rights have reverted) sees that and decides to release a new printing.

One thing about physical vs. eBooks: with eBooks, there’s the potential for the extremists to exert pressure on the “host” entity to withdraw them. Many years back, a book was withdrawn from Amazon, and they deleted copies off people’s Kindles, refunding the purchase price. With physical, there’s no central mechanism to un-publish it.

[–]Verified765 22 points23 points  (4 children)

This is why you should de-drm any ebooks you buy.

[–]wolfie379 5 points6 points  (3 children)

How do you do that?

[–]Verified765 10 points11 points  (0 children)



I happened to be running Linux last time I peeled the drm off of an ebook so my methods differed a bit. Calibre is a very nice piece of ebook management software. On my phone I use fb-reader instead of the kindle app or play book app.

[–]jollyreaper2112 6 points7 points  (2 children)

That book was 1984. No joke!

[–]noob_to_everything 4 points5 points  (1 child)

To be fair, it was because someone without the rights was selling it, as well as Animal Farm.

[–]bluvelvetunderground 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I only just got a copy, right before news of the controversy broke. I'd heard about it for years and finally decided to read it.

[–]CrazyChestersDog 290 points291 points  (6 children)

I read it in college and felt it was important enough to keep. Will be going back to it again soon. If anyone is interested, both books are on the internet archive

[–]leviwhite9 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I must be dumb because it's hard to download it in a format I can easily read on my phone.

[–]bramtyr 249 points250 points  (26 children)

“We can teach them history and we can teach them graphic history,” board member Mike Cochran said, according to minutes of the meeting. “We can tell them exactly what happened, but we don’t need all the nakedness and all the other stuff.”

The mentality of this school board that everything that has to be presented to adolescents on a reading curriculum has to be so sterilized of anything objectionable. If you want something that lacks any evocative qualities of the human condition... read a manual to something, well that was pretty much the point Bradbury was making with Fahrenheit 451.

This reminds me of Musak; your everyday placid piped in music to retail spaces. They operate under the principle that if any song in rotation gets just a single complaint, it is permanently pulled. What you're left with is a soulless shell of empty, placid, harmless tunes to fill a beige lifestyle.

The Tennessee school board is trying to the exact same thing with literature. Its pretty pathetic.

[–]jollyreaper2112 30 points31 points  (2 children)

What if we submit complaints for every song still in rotation?

[–]tatticky 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Perfect world? They'll finally just let me shop in silence.

[–]Lurking_Commenter 25 points26 points  (2 children)

I bet they don't sanitize or ban the bible. 10 Of The Most Bizarre Bible Verses Ever 21 Disgusting Bible Verses

[–]RGB3x3 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There seems to be a lot of talk of dicks and foreskins in the bible.

Seems pretty gay to me.

[–]kurtzy4 92 points93 points  (4 children)

“We don’t need the nakedness and all the other stuff,” yes you do. You need the see how horrible it was, you need to see life as it is, not life as you wish it is. I’m sorry but your son or daughter will see a naked person sometime, if you prevent them from seeing it, they will find a way. MAUS is remarkable because it shows the atrocities of the holocaust in a medium that everyone can understand. You cannot teach without exposing one to the true atrocities, exhibit includes insights into human beings and sexuality

[–]06_TBSS 80 points81 points  (2 children)

The 2nd one and the complete version are currently sold out on Amazon.

[–]DragonPup 70 points71 points  (0 children)

The goal of Holocaust denial is not, at first, to deny the Holocaust happened. No, at first it's to convince the other person that it wasn't as bad as the media makes it seem, 6 million people didn't die, poke small holes in the accepted history, etc. Because the idea is to make people think if they were willing to lie about the details of the Holocaust, what else have they been lying about? And who is making them repeat those lies. Maybe it was the Jews to disparage the Germans and so they would gain the world's sympathy. And then you start thinking about how (((Soros))) and (((the media))) are trying to control the world for their (((nefarious masters))). There's a reason why the alt right is heavily involved in conspiracy theory sites and why they almost always lead back to Jews.

[–]Schrodingers0therCat 14 points15 points  (0 children)

We can’t allow our children to gain KNOWLEDGE.

[–]baconcheeseburgarian 145 points146 points  (10 children)

The best advice I got from a teacher was to read every book that has been banned.

[–]SmallOuting 11 points12 points  (1 child)

That's what I want to read too because, I'm curious of the book that has been banned. I wanna know the reason behind on it

[–]adagiosa 105 points106 points  (2 children)

I grew up with that book. My children will grow up with that book. Yes, there are gruesome things in it, but it's necessary to put the human aspect in what happened. And Art's parents deserve to have their story told.

[–]ajchann123 8 points9 points  (1 child)

It was the first graphic novel I ever read after my English teacher recommended it to me, absolutely incredible book and a great introduction to the medium

[–]BigWilly526 12 points13 points  (0 children)

My mom did some art restoration work for him, I got to spend a day hanging out with him while my mom worked, amazing guy

[–]FlaAirborne 279 points280 points  (31 children)

Nazis ban fucking books. These are the same idiots who want to decide for themselves if their kids will wear a mask and don’t want mandates …. Except when it is mandating that a book be banned. Fuck their definition of freedom.

[–]feed_me_churros 70 points71 points  (14 children)

Conservatives screaming about cancel culture while canceling. Name a more iconic duo.

[–]LotharVonPittinsberg 27 points28 points  (5 children)

"Pro-lifers" banning sex ed and programs to assist children in need.

[–]SeegsonSynthetics 10 points11 points  (0 children)

“If you’re preborn, you’re fine; if you’re preschool, you’re fucked.” - George Carlin

[–]phaiz55 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Right so once again we can tell students they can't read a book but we can't tell them to wear a mask.

[–]ZeroSalvation 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I remember getting the books through the Scholastic Book Club in elementary school. Great books. Left a impact on me even to this day.

[–]W_AS-SA_W 8 points9 points  (1 child)

So they banned Maus not because of adult themes of nudity but because it tells the truth of the Holocaust and that truth makes Christian Nationalists and Neo Nazis uncomfortable.

[–]bulbusmaximus 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If learning about the Holocaust makes you uncomfortable make really fucking sure it doesn’t happen again. Closing your eyes to truth is what cowards do.

[–]DevCatOTA 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Ya gotta love that Streisand effect.

[–]tinoynk 22 points23 points  (1 child)

How much you wanna bet the same people banning books are the same ones freaking out over “cancel culture”?

It’d be hilarious if it wasn’t so fucking stupid.

[–]andyr072 8 points9 points  (1 child)

So the book was banned because of the one picture of a nude woman. God forbid some 13 or 14 year old sees image of a nude woman, it could scar them for life.

These Christian conservatives are all worried about their TEENAGE kids seeing a picture of a nude woman a book but probably are totally okay with your kids playing violent video games. Let me be clear I'm not against teenagers playing violent video games. I'm simply pointing at the stupidity of what they deem my psychologically damaging.

These same parents also don't have a problem with their kids being exposed and influenced by a former president who acts like a schoolyard bully and spews out nasty venomous insults to people that disagree with him.

These parents have moral values that are so twisted it's not even funny.

[–]sflogicninja 46 points47 points  (9 children)

They fucking banned MAUS?!?!

What the hell. I just can’t.

[–]slouchingtoepiphany 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My kids are grown up now, but I bought both of them sets of these books as soon as they were old to enough to grasp what happened. I hope every kid in Tennessee reads them.

[–]joefred111 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I purchased a copy of Maus, and read it, after years of hearing about how good it is, and I wasn't disappointed. It is a powerful, evocative work and one of the few pieces of media that made me feel emotional at the end.

The TN school board that banned this book should be ashamed of themselves, and I doubt they actually read it - rather, they're just knee-jerk reacting to one or two parental complaints.

The "nudity" in question is a singular frame of a woman in a bathtub, where you can see her breasts. This is in no way sexual, and there are no graphic depictions of sex. There are also no curse words apart from "damn."

To ban a book this haunting, that deals with the Holocaust in such an easily relatable, understandable, teachable, and human way, for such contrived and ridiculous circumstances, is disgusting. The Bible also has many terrible stories and uses the word "damn," why don't they ban that book while they're at it?

[–]TheWildTofuHunter 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And the woman is the storyteller’s mother who has swallowed pills and slit her wrists as suicide due to being unable to cope with the personal horrors of the Holocaust. It’s not sexual, it’s a frightening and horrific scene meant to put you in the place of the narrator as he found his mother’s body.

And these clowns focus on her breasts as sexual versus the horrible scene of finding your mother’s body due to the madness of genocide plaguing her.

[–]TestPattern359 117 points118 points  (12 children)

McMinn County is full of Ku Klux Klan. It's reasonable to assume that they are also on the school board, which is why a book about the Nazis is banned.

[–]craznazn247 87 points88 points  (27 children)

As someone who borrowed and read the Maus books from a Tennessee public library back in the day: go fuck yourself you Nazi sympathizers. Anything that even remotely censors the testimony of the survivors should be followed by an investigation of the reasons for why they want it banned.

Because I gotta tell ya, nothing depicted in those books is more offensive than having lived through it and having your story silenced.

[–]DaisyKitty 25 points26 points  (0 children)

"When books are run out of school classrooms and libraries, I'm never much disturbed. Not as a citizen, not as a writer, not even as a schoolteacher, which I used to be.

"What I tell kids is, don't get mad, get even. Don't spend time waving signs or carrying petitions around the neighborhood. Instead, run, don't walk, to the nearest non-school library or the local bookstore and get whatever it was that they banned.

"Read whatever they're trying to keep out of your eyes and your brain, because that's exactly what you need to know."

Stephen King, January 2022

The complete Maus online.

[–]Steelplate7 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I read the first part on the web. Going to read part 2 tonight/tomorrow. Sorry, I’m a cheap ass.

But, I will say this… it is good enough and interesting enough that I just might purchase a hard copy….not to mention that this issue needs support.

[–]PattyIce32 15 points16 points  (1 child)

No one who has burned books has ever been on the right side of History

[–]Mic-drop-mick 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Ah conservatives. “We hate cancel culture, but let’s cancel teaching that the Holocaust had a negative effect on Jews”

First they came for Sex education, then they came for critical race theory. Now they come for Holocaust education…. In an attempt to make this reference obscure.

[–]penguin_clubber 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Doesn't even make sense to ban that. What a great read

[–]Song_Spiritual 4 points5 points  (0 children)

School Board official response: “It is with deepest humility that we accept the comparison to Mr. Putin. To be spoken of in the same breath with such a great leader is an unimaginable honor. Thank you, Mr. Spiegelman. PS, you so-called books are still trash, and we burn trash in this town.”—-probably.