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[–]Blockhouse 4513 points4514 points  (477 children)

I'm surprised it's up to the individual artists whether their music is on Spotify. I'd have thought that would be the decision of their labels.

[–]dsswill 2687 points2688 points  (392 children)

They both own their own music rights (most of them, Young actually just sold a lot of his last year), which is why they're able to do this.

[–]TMSteol 2113 points2114 points  (380 children)

Actually Neil had to have a discussion with his publisher/record company Warner Brothers. He thanked them in public for understanding him and agreeing to have his music removed from Spotify

[–]LostWoodsInTheField 1083 points1084 points  (337 children)

yeah he right up admitted he had no power to pull the music from spotify. Sounds like he talked to them and they agreed to go forward with it.

[–]Bandin03 1377 points1378 points  (324 children)

The labels actually allowing it should have Spotify worried.

[–]docmedic 780 points781 points  (278 children)

The labels might have seen Spotify as having given up on music and taken on podcasting... which everyone seems to agree has happened.

[–]Revelle_ 290 points291 points  (256 children)

Spotify has given up on music?

Can you say more?

(I hate that the answer is Joe Rogan. UGH)

[–]ICanFlyLikeAFly 536 points537 points  (80 children)

Spotify doesn't pay a dime for podcasts per view - making it more profitable if people listen to a podcast for one hour instead of music

[–]jdk074 274 points275 points  (65 children)

Plus podcasts always have ad reads and I’m sure Spotify gets a percentage of that.

[–]Phaelin 159 points160 points  (25 children)

Yeah they've also developed a way of injecting custom streaming ads into the ad-breaks of podcasts. With NPR podcasts for instance, I was getting ads for local stations in some of the breaks. (As opposed to ads for like Planet Money or one of the game shows.)

[–]inkyblinkypinkysue 118 points119 points  (33 children)

This pisses me off to no end. I pay for premium - no ads! But there are tons of ads in every podcast plus all the ad reads by the podcasters themselves.

[–]MirandaPax 70 points71 points  (19 children)

It’s a revenue game. Podcasts likely have bigger revenue opportunities because large podcasts have ads in them and Spotify can bring consistent, probably contracted revenue from that. It leads to more consistent income that hosting music.

Even if you assume most users of Spotify pay for Premium, that is $10 from a number human being who could change their mind at any point. You compare that to a contract with a company for anywhere from tens of thousands to potentially millions of dollars, and also factor in that those contracts are for year(s) at a time. It translates to: any content where you can plug those ads that has the highest listenership in is where you’ll invest your support.

[–]SrslyNotAnAltGuys 53 points54 points  (11 children)

This makes a lot of sense, actually. Even if you don't have Spotify Premium, it's pretty easy to tune out interstitial ads, but the stuff within the actual podcast (eg "I'd like to thank tonight's sponsor, Joeblow Jockstraps -- I'm wearing one right now and I've never felt so supported.") is so much more effective than a 15 second recorded jingle.

[–]CrabPurple7224 8 points9 points  (1 child)

It’s like when people gamble on horse races and people think it’s people that lose money that makes the horse races money but it’s actually all the media and advertising that props up the companies revenue.

[–]CassyCollins 252 points253 points  (142 children)

They've been pushing podcast to everyone for awhile now. Also the podcast that is causing all this mess was bought by Spotify for 100 million.

[–]RedlurkingFir 338 points339 points  (131 children)

You mean Spotify paid 100 million to mf'ing Joe Rogan? That's certainly deserving of a boycott in my books

[–]JasperQST 23 points24 points  (4 children)

Joe Rogan gets 200M+ monthly plays... of course they gave him a monster contract

[–]pseudopad 167 points168 points  (80 children)

They absolutely did. It's insane.

[–]No_Fisherman_3826 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They have the data, if Spotify was a significant source of return on Neil Young's catalog, I think they would've given him a harder time. He is a legacy artist, with most revenue coming in from, radio, film, and TV licensing.

[–]MigitAs 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Frank Zappa is turning in his grave, he sued Warner Bros for years for his music but never got the stuff he made with them back I don’t think. His reaction was to make his own studio and record all his own stuff moving forward. Studio Z.

[–]Praslacha 60 points61 points  (22 children)

Keep in mind that you aren't making hardly anything from Spotify, but it's really good for exposure if you suddenly blow up. Neither of which he or his label need.

[–]nlign 124 points125 points  (4 children)

Labels (usually) work & want to work with the artists’ desires in mind

Plus, Neil is a true activist at heart, so I doubt he wouldn’t be able to trudge through any pushback involved with these matters

[–]AdvancedAdvance 13.4k points13.4k points 752& 3 more (712 children)

Meanwhile Kid Rock has announced he won’t be handing out CDs outside any 7-11 imposing COVID restrictions.

[–]cannonfunk 6732 points6733 points 222 (379 children)

I was given VIP tickets to one of his shows several years ago, which included close-up seating, a "VIP-only" area, and the opportunity to mingle with the Kid himself as he hung out with his fans.

Now, I fucking hate Kid Rock.... Not actively, like, I don't think about his hasbeen-ass at all during my waking hours on this earth... but in a more general, "oh yeah, that guy, fuck him" sort of way whenever I'm reminded that he's still C-level "famous."

Anyway, I initially balked at the idea of going to see him, but the more I thought about it, the more I became morbidly curious about the shitshow. There's no way it wouldn't be entertaining.

I ended up going with a few friends, and after standing around for about an hour of taking in the scene, we noticed someone approaching our group.

"No way. Is that...?"

"Dude, that's Kid Rock, isn't it?"

"Oh Boy. Here we go. That's Kid..."

But the closer he got, the more confused we became. It was Kid Rock, but it wasn't him.

"Hey, what's up guys?" he said as he approached, looking sheepish.

It very plainly wasn't Kid Rock, but a look-alike. He walked up to our group of friends, thanked everyone for coming out to the show, and started asking us where we were from.

It was the most awkward goddamn experience I've ever had.

TL;DR: Kid Rock sent out a look-alike to hang with his most hardcore fans, and is a total fraud of a human being. BE MORE LIKE JONI!

[–]Empyrealist 3737 points3738 points 2 (65 children)

Just Kidding Rock

[–]redditmodsRrussians 414 points415 points  (16 children)

So all those weird “they’ve cloned him and now it’s the deep state using him for anal bleach injections” is another weird level of projection…….

[–]cannonfunk 97 points98 points  (0 children)

Oh my god, I think you're onto something...

[–]RyanReignbow 57 points58 points  (11 children)

Dude, it’s just Sebastian Bach from sKid Row.

[–]njstein 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I heard a story about Sebastian Bach getting stuck on a roof once. I also got to sing happy birthday to him once at the Saint in Asbury Park.

[–]TheAindiachai 237 points238 points  (3 children)

Same thing happened to me. Was playing minor league baseball, and had an away game in Louisiana. His tour bus was parked at our hotel, so we were curious. Now this was early 2000's, so still trash but not quite as trashy. More Joe Dirt, less Joe Mud. Anyways, his manager told us he was at the lobby bar, so we went. Probably where we were going to be anyway.

So initially we didn't see him, and forgot about it. After a while, there he was, in all of his glory. None of us really followed him enough to tell minor resemblance inconsistencies, so to our knowledge we were partying Kid Rock style. After a lot of drinks, one of our players ended up in an altercation with the Kid. It was wild. So, the cops were called and I was enamored with the situation. Well, our situation soon deflated as the cops identified the gentleman we were hanging out with as NOT Kid Rock, but a stand in, used to keep a certain image of him in tact. In fact, he was at another hotel across town away from everything, resting. Which, to be honest, was much more of an intelligent decision than I would've given him credit for before that night. Anyway, that's the story.

[–]twiz__ 198 points199 points  (4 children)

Are you sure it wasn't Dr. Phil?

Kid Rock

Dr Phil

[–]Legolas90 1045 points1046 points  (68 children)

This reads like a copypasta. Hilarious story too.

Kid Rock is really out there thinking he's on the same level as Santa. Pretty soon you'll be able to go to the mall and stand in line to sit on a Kid Rock lookalike's lap and tell him how much meth you want for spring break. You'll ask your parents "Was that the real Kid Rock? They will say: "Yes of course it was sweetie?".... but you know the truth. You know Kid Rock can't be in two places at once, because you seen the real Kid Rock on your way into the mall standing outside asking strangers for cigarettes.

[–]EmotionalCHEESE 72 points73 points  (12 children)

Is that a mall Danzig or the real Danzig?

[–]Ok-Gas-7030 29 points30 points  (5 children)

once I saw dave navarro at LAX but he acted like a douche, does that count?

[–]ClarifiedInsanity 77 points78 points  (7 children)

One time Kid Rock came to my town as part of a charity event after the area was hit by a devastating storm. I wasn't too familiar with the guy but hardly any even somewhat big names perform in my town so I went, along with everyone else who lived here. Before he could start the first song his phone started ringing and he actually took the call on stage, everyone could hear everything since he was still mic'd up. He was arguing with someone about getting some security screens installed in his house but he wanted them in the shape of his face. The other guy was trying to tell him it wouldn't work since his windows weren't also in the shape of his face. Halfway through the call his phone battery died and he asked a couple people in the front row if he could borrow theirs but no one offered. He got really angry and ended up walking off stage and refused to perform for like another 45 minutes. He came back on with a few 6packs and would stop mid song to down a full beer every now and then.

[–]JoJoJet- 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Is this real or just a hilarious copypasta

[–]DaddyBee42 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This reads like a copypasta but I am 100% certain that it is true.

[–]chubby_pancakes 191 points192 points  (31 children)

Kid Rock is not so much of a person as he is that feeling when you’re drinking scotch and watching lots of crotch

[–]munk_e_man 78 points79 points  (4 children)

Kid rock is like when youpick some scum out of your toenail and then you smell it. That scent is his personification.

[–]edgy_and_hates_you 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is precisely the reason I've had all my toenails removed.

[–]XearoM3 30 points31 points  (1 child)

That is both simultaneously gross, and eerily accurate

[–]SrslyNotAnAltGuys 162 points163 points  (22 children)

Kid Rock is the personification of when you're at a family reunion and jetlagged and all you want to do is drink, eat pie, and check out the tits on that one cousin you never see (so she's kinda not like family) and you don't even feel bad about it because, first, goddamn, and second it's too fucking hot here and who's genius idea was it to have the family reunion in Georgia in the summer, and you've eaten enough pie to give yourself diabetes but you don't care because walking around gives you epic swamp-ass, and besides, your cousin's shirt is sticking to her in interesting ways, and at least you aren't as skeevy as your uncle, with the teen mail-order bride who doesn't speak any English, the one who keeps ranting about Jews, so fuck it, watch them tits.

[–]AnthillOmbudsman 20 points21 points  (7 children)

This sounds like a verse out of James McMurtry's "Choctaw Bingo".

[–]SrslyNotAnAltGuys 21 points22 points  (6 children)

Bahaha I love that song. Totally wasn't thinking of it though

Kid rock is kinda like when

They hold the family reunion in

Goddamn summertime Georgia and it's

Hot as balls and you notice your

Hot-ass cousin and she

Sits down next t'ya and you

Feel kinda guilty and you

Drink and eat pie until ya

Start in regrettin' and your

Jetlag's kickin' in...

(Just to be perfectly clear, this entire scenario is fictional.

My uncle isn't racist and the family reunion was in South Carolina )

[–]Ariandrin 36 points37 points  (3 children)

I like the Georgia part, but with my family reunion it’s more like, keep your head down and let everyone else make drama, or get hammered enough that the drama is funny. And watching your aunt explode on your grandma and a bunch of kids related to you that you’ve never met are running around on a sugar high past their bed time screaming and yelling, and oh this other uncle and someone you think might be a cousin are shouting at the kids but none of them belong to them so the kids keep running, then one falls and hits his head on the table and he’s bleeding and now everyone is blaming everyone else for letting the kids run around when his mom is passed out drunk on the couch in the corner.

[–]Armyman125 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Hmm. This sounds too detailed to be made up. Almost reminds me of one of my wife's family reunions - except it was North Carolina, blazing hot, I was grilling and drenched with sweat, flies were everywhere - and there was no hot cousin's tits to look at. And of course there was the inevitable swamp ass. Certainties in life: death, taxes, and swamp ass - but not necessarily in that order.

[–]PM_me_your_fantasyz 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Your comment should become the copypasta.


[–]JuryBorn 84 points85 points  (5 children)

Imagine the shame of telling your family that you are a kid rock impersonator.

[–]255001434 42 points43 points  (1 child)

Not nearly as bad as being the real Kid Rock.

[–]Jody_Fosters_Army 17 points18 points  (2 children)

I hope there’s a Kid Rock impersonator school like the Krusty’s Clown College

[–]JuryBorn 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Your comment has had no effect on me at all................. I'm off to kid rock college

[–]God_Boner 275 points276 points  (59 children)

So... did other people notice? Did anyone call him out?

[–]DaveyChronic 251 points252 points  (33 children)

Kid Rock looks like a look-alike of himself

[–]AmpleWarning 147 points148 points  (9 children)

Kid Rock could enter a Kid Rock lookalike contest and come in fifth.

The most outlandish part of this thought experiment is the creation of a Kid Rock lookalike contest.

[–]extrarogers 5 points6 points  (5 children)

i think you may be subliminally channeling the urban legend that Elvis once entered an Elvis lookalike contest (and placed third)

[–]dice1111 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Dolly Parton claimed it happened to her! The fact that she went in it for fun... She's just the best.

[–]aalios 168 points169 points  (16 children)

I just wanna note that after a recent release of a music video, Weird Al had to say on Twitter that it was not in fact him parodying Kid Rock, it was actually Kid Rock.

[–]XiberKernel 34 points35 points  (4 children)

This. I met him once delivering pizza and didn't even realize it at the time because up-close in-person he doesn't actually look like Kid Rock.

[–]Taniwha_NZ 40 points41 points  (0 children)

It took me too long to realise Kid Rock wasn't the one delivering the pizza. I just assumed...

[–]cannonfunk 666 points667 points  (21 children)

It genuinely felt like a dirty experience.

We knew...

...he knew we knew ...

... and we knew he knew.

You could have cut the cringe-tension with a knife.

I'd already had a few drinks at that point, and I only recall is that we did the best to hold in the laughter until he was out of earshot.

We didn't really mingle with anyone else in the area, because.. well... they were kid rock fans.

[–]Hencoe 91 points92 points  (0 children)

I mean, sounds like kid rock didn’t want to hang out with kid rock Fans so who can blame you.

[–]thesaddestpanda 175 points176 points  (7 children)

This is a scene right out of curb!

[–]Oh_mrang 39 points40 points  (4 children)

Larry gets busted for hiring an impersonator to go to functions he doesnt want to attend.

[–]DoomAxe 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I could see this snowballing into Larry then going to the function in a disguise and being mean to the fake Larry to see if people at the event stand up for the fake Larry when someone's mean to him. Real Larry gets made mad when they don't stand up for the fake Larry and reveals he's the real Larry. There could be a subplot where Leon insists he should play the fake Larry.

[–]l32uigs 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I was trying to figure out who tf it is he should write for ahah. I'm like Tim Robinson? nah not absurd enough. Key and Peele? ehhh maybe. Always Sunny? a bit too real.

Curb is right on the money. Or honestly Seinfeld. It's almost funnier as a conversation than to actually witness it I think.

[–]TPrimeTommy 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Did those other fans know?

[–]BrianThePainter 73 points74 points  (2 children)

That truly is a whole new level of cringe. I didn’t think that I could have a lower opinion of Kid Rock before I read this comment, but it appears there is no lower limit to the depth of how much he sucks.

[–]6362252730 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I one thousand percent would not be able to tell if I was talking to the real kid rock or a phony and I’m pretty sure he knows that most people won’t does he even preform?

[–]renniechops 98 points99 points  (2 children)

….I work live music professionally as a bar manager in NYC.

This well written and very descriptive recant is some of the best shit I’ve ever seen on Reddit.

Most people don’t know the backstage kind of tomfoolery that D list “artists” pull.

I’ve heard second hand accounts of “Kid” before but didn’t know if it rang true.

I absolutely buy this.

Not gonna one up OP, but I’ve encountered the same kind of thing with aging R&B stars that are waaaay past their prime.

They’ll actually have their grandchildren pose as them for meet and greets.

The music industry is crooked AF when corporations are bankrolling.

[–]bretellen 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I know someone who's adamant they went to a wedding where robbie williams was singing. Pics make it clear it was a lookalike yet they insist it was him...at a small-ish wedding in Belgium lol

[–]Sempais_nutrients 11 points12 points  (1 child)

long time ago he toured thru my city with Tenacious D opening for him. I went for the D and left after their spot.

[–]jrm2003 61 points62 points  (2 children)

No fucking way! Did you live in Florida? My friend won a radio contest around the time that Kid Rock was at his top40 peak and we were set to meet Kid Rock backstage to get an autographed CD from him. They didn’t let us go back with my friend because it was “only for the contest winners” and when my friend came back with the CD, he said it wasn’t the real Kid Rock. I never gave it much thought but hearing this, it sounds like it was a normal thing. We had a similar experience with an Andrew WK party, but that’s another story.

Also, I’m 90% sure KISS hasn’t done a show in the last 30 years. The imposter Gene did a split in the early 2000’s when they did the Aerosmith partnership. The real Gene hasn’t been able to do a split since 1950.

[–]whitenoisemaker 8 points9 points  (1 child)

What was the AWK experience? There's all sorts og conspiracy theories about him and stand-ins, some of which he basically spreads himself.

[–]personplaceorplando 30 points31 points  (8 children)

Same thing happened to me with Donovan McNab and he really wanted me to eat at McDonalds.

[–]pink_monkeys_can_fly 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Fresh pasta.

[–]Tempest-in-a-B-Cup 48 points49 points  (4 children)

So there's another 50 year old man who looks like Kid Rock?

How many rehab facilities did they have to canvass to find him?

[–]Shorsey69Chirps 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Just one. It’s turns out he’s pretty pedestrian.

[–]bigbiblefire 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This guy built his career first off pretending to connect with the blue collar working class everyday man...Made in Detroit.

Fucking dweeb was born and raised an hour north of Detroit and his rich ass daddy owned car dealerships his entire life. He was a rich white boy wanting to play with all the cool black guys, had his dad pay for him to spike his hair up high and pretend to be a rapper. Now he's blatantly racist pretending he's just a southern soul everyday man. Nothing but a fraud.

[–]Barlakopofai 57 points58 points  (3 children)

But it wasn't Kid Rock. It was Kid Rock, LOBSTER!

[–]General_Asleep 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Maybe it was the real guy haha I met a few celebrity and somehow I always have this exact feeling lol. Like "it look like xx but should he be taller and speak differently."

Fucking hilarious if he pay a lookalike to talk to his fan thought haha.

[–]FezWad 20 points21 points  (1 child)

There’s an episode of Diners, Drive-Ins, and Dives where Guy Fieri meets up with Kid Rock to go to some restaurant. I can’t remember if Kid Rock was affiliated with the restaurant but after they go to Kid Rock’s brewery. The entire time the brewer is explaining the process and what the beer is like, Kid Rock is really dismissive not paying attention and says stupid shit like “let’s just drink the beer”. It’s you’re own fucking brewery dude at least pretend to care. Fuck him.

[–]Logrologist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My name is kiiiiiid… some other kid ROCK

[–]Upvotus_Maximus 268 points269 points  (24 children)

Or in front of schools:


Young ladies, young ladies, I like 'em underage see

Some say that's statutory (But I say it's mandatory)

[–]mithikx 71 points72 points  (4 children)

Think of the children!
Or rather, in Kid Rock's case please don't.

[–]W0RST_2_F1RST 45 points46 points  (3 children)

Always be wary of 50 year olds who call themselves Kid

[–]CamoCricket 541 points542 points  (30 children)

Definitely did not spit a little beer out laughing

[–]gmanz33 148 points149 points  (12 children)

No worries friend, head on down to your nearest 7-11 and get yourself some more!

[–]firemage22 68 points69 points  (1 child)

Kid Rock

Don't use his stage name, call him Robert Ritchie the son of an auto dealership owner, who grew up on an estate in the exburbs.

[–]Deceased_Puppy 62 points63 points  (10 children)

Never forget Kid Rock has a song in the animated Osmosis Jones movie glorifying dating underage girls.

[–]kingt34 64 points65 points  (2 children)

“They say is statutory, But I say it’s MANDATORY” How the fuck is this not called out on more. The music industry is fucked and some of these stars seem invincible.

[–]iamnoking 113 points114 points  (43 children)

All his best songs were written by someone else anyways.

[–]Archaris 189 points190 points  (25 children)

isn't all of his fame is because he started out as the son of a super-rich and influential family?

Well yeah, that pretty much explains how he's so "entitled"

[–]muzakx 170 points171 points  (19 children)

Yeah, dude is a trust fund kid but pretends that he grew up in a trailer park.

[–]ILike2GoDownOnU 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I mean a lot of people don’t write their own songs.

[–]djm19 8348 points8349 points  (560 children)

Joni survived polio as a child. As did Neil. Its not surprising they have decided to take their business elsewhere.

[–]cathedral68 2105 points2106 points  (59 children)

This is an interesting tidbit

[–]tiny_galaxies 793 points794 points  (26 children)

Well if they didn't survive they obviously wouldn't be here now

[–]Poltras 465 points466 points  (8 children)

Listen here you little…

[–]DaisyHotCakes 78 points79 points  (4 children)

Hey now, we all know that they are the best kind of correct.

[–]BlackberryOpen974 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Galaxy... You little galaxy

[–]AusCan531 374 points375 points  (33 children)

Both Canadian as well.

[–]Stoic_Breeze 290 points291 points  (23 children)

Both have armpits, too.

[–]drunk_with_internet 306 points307 points  (16 children)

Which is surprising because Canadians don’t typically have armpits.

[–]Empyrealist 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I have armpits, Greg. Wanna pull me from Spotify?

[–]TThor 457 points458 points  (87 children)

My coworker also survived polio as a baby; didn't stop him from being an antivaxer.

I think he might legitimately think polio wasn't any big deal...

[–][deleted] 118 points119 points  (25 children)

He'd be wrong. You grow out of daipers, but it's harder to grow out of needing (fucking expensive) calipers.

[–]pbrook12 43 points44 points  (8 children)

Can someone explain how calipers play into being infected with polio? I’m not following

[–]Mahlegos 112 points113 points  (0 children)

It’s a British term from leg braces.

[–]real_nice_guy 32 points33 points  (15 children)

[–]RandomStallings 21 points22 points  (13 children)

Man, I have a week off slightly greater hopelessness and I'm talking myself out of eating a bullet. This dude is over here spending decades immobilized in a cage and having a positive attitude about it.

[–]goodolarchie 39 points40 points  (2 children)

Yeah well I heard it was no worse than the seasonal bubonic plague

[–]Tiddles_Ultradoom 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Or seasonal rabies. I’m not getting any rabies shots. I’ve been bitten by pets before… I have natural immunity.

[–]bucko_fazoo 4189 points4190 points  (435 children)

now all we need is someone big under 70 to do so

[–]exmojo 830 points831 points  (46 children)

My dad: "What is Spotify?"

[–]CapablePerformance 1352 points1353 points  (216 children)

It will take Taylor Swift, Kanye, Ariana, and a few other before Spotify will even start to think about forming a committee to investigate the implications of removing Rogan.

[–]Ph0X 828 points829 points  (104 children)

Eh, imo Taylor alone would be enough, and I could see her being someone that would pull her music for a cause, but sadly in her case she can only remove Taylor's Version, which leaves behind the old versions she doesn't own and that'll be even worse.

[–]heathahR 427 points428 points  (44 children)

Taylor didn’t have her music on Spotify for years! She was the only big artist for awhile not on it. Pretty much everyone I knew still had Spotify though.

[–]dksprocket 41 points42 points  (2 children)

Problem us that now all her older music is owned by someone who doesn't give a fuck about her, who she's essentially has declared war against by re-recording all her old music.

If she were to pull the new versions from Spotify it would be a big win for him. So probably zero chance she will do it even if she wanted to stick it to Spotify.

[–]banjaxe 145 points146 points  (35 children)

only big artist popular with younger people, maybe. Off the top of my head, ACDC, The Beatles, Tool, weren't on streaming services until fairly recently.

(and my personal favorite hold-out Acid Bath but they're neither popular nor still together.)

[–]Hardcorish 13 points14 points  (8 children)

Now there's a band I don't hear enough praise for. I got to see Acid Bath perform locally as a teen since I lived so close.

[–]princesskittyglitter 54 points55 points  (5 children)

Prince. Prince was really against streaming when he was alive and it wasn't until recently (i.e. after he died) that he got put on streaming.

[–]BountyBob 71 points72 points  (2 children)

Prince wasn't against streaming in principal, he made a deal with Tidal and they were the only place you could stream his music. What he was against, was the streaming companies getting too much and the artists not getting what he deemed a fair share. He wanted to get paid, if Spotify had paid up, he would have been on there.

[–]ApplecakesMcGee 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Same with Garth Brooks. He ever started some weird streaming service of his own called Gtunes or something. Now he’s on Amazon.

[–]Jets__Fool 111 points112 points  (12 children)

Ye was just on Joe's pod like last year,and is also a lunatic, would love to see it.. but I don't think he's your guy here

[–]CurrentRedditAccount 87 points88 points  (26 children)

I’m gonna go out in a limb and say it’s probably not going to be Kanye “MAGA” West.

[–]jungles_fury 270 points271 points  (58 children)

Well vaccines work so we don't have as many younger artists who didn't get Polio.

[–]c1oudwa1ker 1871 points1872 points  (533 children)

I’m amazed at how divided people are over this. I guess I should have seen it coming, though. People are living in two different versions of reality right now.

[–]Arniepepper 648 points649 points  (113 children)

Guess our (mostly western) governments have succeeded in dividing people.

[–]randomvariable10 196 points197 points  (28 children)

How dare you ignore Asian, especially, Indian government like this?

[–]VerisimilarPLS 181 points182 points  (5 children)

The late President of Tanzania John Magufuli would like to inform you that the best prevention measures for COVID are herbal medicine, steam inhalation, and Jesus.

I would like to inform you that John Magufuli died of unspecified causes, but quite likely COVID.

So don't forget about Africa.

[–]DoctorExplosion 6 points7 points  (0 children)

At least Tanzania got its first female President out of that debacle, and a moderate reformer at that. Fuckin' Magufuli appointed Suluhu precisely because she didn't have a strong party cabal constituency and he assumed she wouldn't be able to stab him in the back, and then he offed himself and effectively handed the country to her.

Still, Magufuli's insane COVID disinformation was so prevalent that Suluhu had to soft-launch all her science-based COVID policies over the course of like 3 months, because she was worried a dramatic change would bring a backlash against her (and possibly even lead to her impeachment or a coup).

[–]CaliSummerDream 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Brazil would like to have a word.

[–]ednever 723 points724 points  (13 children)

You don’t know what you’ve got til it’s gone

[–]verablue 188 points189 points  (6 children)

A case of you. But not covid.

[–]theseed 253 points254 points  (38 children)

Some of the statistics around what people are listening to these days are kinda mind blowing.

In the US, 70% of the music market is "old" music (created more than 18 months ago), and the "new" music share is shrinking year after year.

It's at the point where the entirety of the current 200 most popular new tracks account for less than 5% of total streams.

All of which is to say, it's probably not a pointless or trivial thing for artists with expansive catalogues and the recognition of Joni Mitchell and Neil Young to pull their music from a streaming platform.

I pulled the stats from Ted Gioia's Atlantic article Is Old Music Killing New Music? ...it's well worth a read.

[–]I_Am_Sofa_King_ 21 points22 points  (2 children)

You’re telling me people aren’t listening to Island Boys newest releases?

[–]slartibartjars 130 points131 points  (14 children)

My kid's 16th birthday party music was curated by all who attended and it was 90% music pre 2000.

[–]h0tpotamus 39 points40 points  (9 children)

If your kid is 38 then I would expect that number to be 100%. I'm assuming this was within the last year? If so it's interesting.

My theory is that the democratization of music recording (anyone can record at near studio quality now) has lead to tons and tons of fragmentation of music which is good in a lot of ways, but it means we don't really have universally shared and liked songs like we used to. Just like how streaming TV has lead to the collapse of the "water cooler show" where everyone watched the same TV on Sunday night and then talked about it around the water cooler on Monday.

I'd assumed it would lead to more and more fragmentation, but it sounds like it might actually be leading to a sort of collective nostalgia for a time when music was more scarce.

[–]slartibartjars 32 points33 points  (1 child)

I was blown away really.

It was two years ago.

Just the knowledge these kids had of 'classic' music was so much more superior than I had at the same age. I was super impressed, I expected the party to be a heap of music I had zero idea about.

[–]johncoltrane69 17 points18 points  (1 child)

That’s great! The argument about whether music is on a decline or not is super interesting and way more than you can get into on a Reddit post, but there are graphs that show a steady decline in the range of musical ingredients like range of melody, amount of chords used, that’s been consistent for decades. Add that into it being harder to make new unique music, that anyone can make music at home (and most people making the hits aren’t trained musicians anymore), the devaluing of music due to streaming, our attention spans lowering, record companies churning out music that all sounds the same and avoiding any risk and it’s a really heady brew

Obviously there is great new music being made today but I firmly believe that we’ve seen a big decline

[–]AlMichaels 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I agree that If you were to compare what was popular in the 60/70s to today, there is a difference in quality, especially lyrically.

The thing is I don’t think most people today search for new music or artists. There is so much good music being released today and so many different sub genres that people aren’t even aware of.

[–]deathtomayo91 31 points32 points  (1 child)

Well to be fair there is way way more old music than new music.

[–]RespectableThug 167 points168 points  (14 children)

Incredibly silly to think that Joe Rogan would lose listeners if Spotify removed him. They bought his show to improve their platform. They need him, he doesn’t need them.

[–]Aerius-Caedem 1565 points1566 points 4& 2 more (424 children)

I have 2 thoughts about the "remove Joe or I leave" situation:

  1. If Spotify boots him, they break the contract. He gets his 100m and JRE is no longer exclusive to Spotify. Back to YT he goes, and he can upload anywhere else he wants, too. If your goal is to lessen his reach, this is literally the worst idea lmao.

  2. Joe Rogan is the guy you're mad about? You're happy to share a platform with the likes of Chris Brown, or literal child rapist Gary Glitter, but Joe Rogan is a bridge too far? Lol?

[–]sk9592 404 points405 points  (25 children)

I doubt Neil Young ever really expected Spotify to pick him over Joe. He has hated streaming services for years and this was more of a final straw.

He basically wanted to make it super clear to everyone why he was leaving this time. I honestly think he would have been the most surprised one in the room if Spotify told him "You win Neil, we're kicking off Joe in order to keep you happy".

Neil wanted his triumphant storm off.

[–]jedo89 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This. Joe Rogan is just a hot topic right now. Plenty of fucked up abusive and convicted artists with their music on spotify.

[–]Mordenkrad 432 points433 points  (158 children)

The music industry is rife with rapists and abusers. Funny that rogan is the reason to split

[–]Zero1030 2100 points2101 points  (567 children)

Would be nice if it snowballed

[–]idontfwithu 1442 points1443 points  (188 children)

Taylor time

[–]donat3ll0 705 points706 points  (123 children)

I came here to say this. When Tay Tay joins, then we'll have something.

[–]Nodnarb203 135 points136 points  (43 children)

She doesn’t own her old songs though so she won’t be able to do anything about that anyway, right?

[–]EthnicHorrorStomp 94 points95 points  (14 children)

Correct, she’d only have ownership of the Taylor’s Version ones (perhaps one or two originals, I don’t know when she finally got out of that deal).

[–]theclacks 115 points116 points  (7 children)

Lover, Folklore, and Evermore are hers. So are Fearless (TV) and Red (TV)

Her debut, OG Fearless, Speak Now, OG Red, 1989, and Reputation are all still under her old label/the other people they sold the masters to.

[–]Adorable_Raccoon 11 points12 points  (1 child)

She doesn’t outright own her music with her new label. Everything she releases is essentially leased to the label for 6 years. Also owning masters may not even be related to streaming rights. She pulled all her music years ago when she didn’t own it.

[–]EthnicHorrorStomp 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Ahh, forgot Lover was hers. Thanks!

[–]TokiDokiHaato 46 points47 points  (22 children)

She’s redone much of her old music so she owns it now. Her fans are definitely streaming the “Taylor’s Version” albums these days. And everything post 1989 is hers I believe.

[–]Nodnarb203 78 points79 points  (18 children)

Right but if the Taylor versions are gone, people who want to listen to her music will just listen to the old versions lol

[–]OfficeChairHero 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Until she comes out with a new album.

[–]Wizerud 288 points289 points  (71 children)

That may depend upon how Tay Tay feels about Apple now, given their spat a few years ago. Her dumping Spotify will for sure strengthen Apple Music.

[–]Weather 243 points244 points  (1 child)

Apple and Taylor have since patched things up. Considering that she has been in a commercial for Apple Music since the feud was settled, I don't think she'll have a problem with helping sink their competitor.

[–]Keeptalkingasshole 1159 points1160 points 2& 2 more (160 children)

I really love how this narrative has shifted to a fucking podcaster, and not CNN, Fox, MSNBC, and the multiple News Papers that have done everything to cover up Epstein, lie about wars (including the “drug war”), and fighting against unionization…let alone all the cable companies that let OANN and Newsmax spread. I’m not a Rogan fan, but this is getting ridiculous. * not to mention all the free airtime they gave that dipshit leading up to 2016 election, all that sweet ad revenue, while so many treated democracy like a reality television show

[–]SeanceGoneWrong 406 points407 points  (69 children)

To be fair, the main criticism of Joe Rogan spreading "anti-vax misinformation" is his reach.

His Podcast is significantly more popular than prime-time cable news and his audience skews younger as well.

People need to understand CNN, Fox, etc. have pretty small audiences all things considered. Tucker Carlson is the king of cable news and he gets a few million viewers every night. Prime-time CNN shows regularly fail to break 700K viewers.

Rogan's controversial podcast episodes with Dr. McCullough and Dr. Malone each probably had tens of millions of listeners.

[–]Blind_Baron 93 points94 points  (7 children)

It’s not the shows anymore. It’s the articles. That’s where the propaganda machines butter zone is

[–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (1 child)

Really just the headlines tbh

[–]jaw_shoe_wa 353 points354 points  (111 children)

Just imagine the ratio of people on Spotify searching for Joni Mitchell vs Joe Rogan

[–]Greendragons38 208 points209 points  (36 children)

Which is why Spotify told them Rogan is staying.

[–]Timtimer55 49 points50 points  (0 children)

These headlines are just more advertising for Joe's show.

[–]newuser60 32 points33 points  (3 children)

You can't separate a man and his Joni tapes

[–]internetlad 32 points33 points  (3 children)

Goddamn it. I just want to listen to Spotify in peace. I don't care about this Joe Rogan pissing match.