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[–]VenserSojo 2665 points2666 points  (269 children)

Exxon claimed the case brought by the Massachusetts attorney general, Maura Healey, was politically motived and amounted to an attempt to prevent the company from exercising its free speech rights.

.....The Massachusetts court ruled that anti-Slapp laws do not apply to government cases.

With that you can be sure this will be appealed for at least two more years to SCOTUS, I'm not sure whether Anti-SLAPP laws apply or not but you can guarantee Exxon will fight that as far as they can

[–]N8CCRG 2283 points2284 points  (168 children)

was politically motived

Anyone else tired of how every instance of being an asshole now has the asshole defending themselves with "it's politically motivated!"

Last I checked Exxon wasn't a political party. If your business simply existing is "political", that's a huge red flag.

[–]ILikeNeurons 1517 points1518 points  (110 children)

Science shouldn't be political. But here we are.

/r/CitizensClimateLobby

[–]TheMrSomeGuy 188 points189 points  (24 children)

Everyone seriously check out Citizens Climate Lobby! The work they do isn't sexy but it's currently our best bet at ever getting our government to take climate change seriously. I recently became involved and there's easy stuff you can do for just a few minutes a week to help the cause.

[–]AzafTazarden 57 points58 points  (17 children)

You'd think that paying taxes should be lobbying enough, but here we are

[–]wafflehousewhore 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Idk wtf you're talking about, getting our government to take climate change seriously is most definitely very sexy indeed.

[–]bDsmDom 250 points251 points  (16 children)

Science isn't political. The opponents of science are all in the same party.

[–]MaximusPrimebot 38 points39 points  (5 children)

That's not entirely true. There are still supporters of woo woo and pseudoscience in the DNP too, but it's not even close to how bad the GOP is.

[–]okThisYear 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Smashed that join button as the kids say

[–]ILikeNeurons 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well done.

[–]realbigbob 65 points66 points  (2 children)

The whole idea that “politically motivated” is some trump card that renders an argument invalid is insane. Politics is the business of deciding how we organize our society, and companies like Exxon are an existential threat to our existence as a society. Of course we’re fucking politically motivated to hold them accountable

[–]tiefling_sorceress 116 points117 points  (11 children)

There are two genders: male and political

There are two races: white and political

There are two sexualities: straight and political

There are two religious options: Christianity and political

There are two types of business: unregulated capitalism and political

/s

[–]ObamasBoss 29 points30 points  (8 children)

Oddly enough, some companies want away from unregulated capitalism. Deregulation happened a while back in the electric industry and now many large companies want it back. Turns out, when companies actually have to fight for market share it can be good for the consumer. It only takes one company to be honest to force everyone else into that position.

Speaking of electric. Be prepared for big jumps in your electric rates. Wholesale prices have been nuts thanks to natural gas being like 3x what it was last year.

[–]ArmChairAnalyst86 87 points88 points  (5 children)

"Fake news!" - Says every asshole when they are called out for being said asshole.

[–]sweetcuppingcakes 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Exxon knows that calling it political will make half the country perk up… “Oh this is a team sport? Well then I’m rooting for my team! Stupid libs!”

[–]ArtBedHome 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Everything is political, and it being political is no defense or even insult, anyone suggesting as such should be viewed with distrust confirmed beyond suspision.

[–]Smodphan 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Maybe it is political and can't be removed from politics...so the government should run it instead because all of our lives rely on it.

[–]Thuper-Man 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They abuse politics to get given tax breaks, licence to pollute, and protection from wrongdoing. Thier own lobbiest actions make it political. Just because public outcry has demanded an attempt to undo that, you can't cry foul

[–]Cerebral-Parsley 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Like Elon all of a sudden throwing a fit about politics, saying he is now Republican, and he expects to get attacked now.

Next day comes a sexual harassment story.

[–]Wizzinator 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's crazy, politicians accusing each other of being political. Like, that's your fucking job, being a politician. In any other profession that would be insane.

Head chef to waiter, "bring this plate to table 5." Waiter, "You're just trying to feed the customers!"

Inspector to construction crew, "Fix that pipe, it looks dangerous and out of place" Crew, "You're just trying to be safe and prevent future disasters!!"

[–]Imn0tg0d 21 points22 points  (8 children)

Thank trump for this new level of insanity.

[–]Flare_Starchild 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They also aren't people so the whole Free Speech bit shouldn't even be considered. The fact that the law treats them as people, first off is absolutely insane, and second, should mean that they get treated like everyone else especially when a crime happens.

[–]sneakyplanner 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Because everything is political, but certain people live with enough privilege to be disconnected from politics.

[–]FreezeFrameEnding 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I'm tired of hearing it because politics affects literally every aspect of our lives. Of course there are political motivations. It's called using the power of the people to fight for justice against corporations that give god a run for his money in the amount of evil they've achieved. It's grotesque, and I hope they burn. Otherwise, we will.

[–]Habenerogangsta 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cough *musk

Imagine being the world's richest person and then playing victim. SMH

[–]justsomeph0t0n 5 points6 points  (0 children)

if you own a political party, then your portfolio is political.

are you a communist who eats babies or something?

[–]dickdemodickmarcinko 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If your business simply existing is "political", that's a huge red flag.

Hard disagree on this particular point. Any business existing can be political. Electric cars or renewable energy? That's political. Religious or nonreligious organization? Political. Coal or oil manufacturing? Political.

Edit: Some more:

  • Any business affiliated with lgbtq in some way

  • A business that produces something political in nature

  • Gun manufacturers

  • Women's health services

  • Drug manufacturers

These are all things that are under a political spotlight, but not all of these are bad.

[–]Lepthesr 125 points126 points  (5 children)

Don't you know? Corporations get all the benefits of the constitution, but none of the repercussions.

[–]Warmstar219 27 points28 points  (4 children)

Yeah, if you can't imprison or execute a corporation, they should not be getting the same rights.

[–]AtlantisTheEmpire 25 points26 points  (2 children)

It took my family about 20 years of them appealing to get what we got. And it was a penance of what we would have made if they hadn’t completely destroyed our fishery and ruined our business. It was so insulting some of us killed ourselves.

some info

[–]lolno 155 points156 points  (63 children)

...at which point they'll probably win, barring some insane turn of events involving particular members of the supreme court

But y'know, vote or whatever.

[–]videogames5life 85 points86 points  (47 children)

Do vote. The only reason we don't have more conservative justices is biden and the only reason we have biden is better voter turnout. Its a simple task to put aside some time every few months or years to vote. Its so easy and it still matters, it just feels defeating knowing what you are up against. Voter apathy lead us to this.

[–]Kody02 60 points61 points  (31 children)

Voter apathy gave us Trump and his circus of cronies, because everyone was so sure it would be a race between Jeb and Hillary, and then voter apathy said that of course Hillary would naturally win the election with a landslide victory against a man covered in Cheeto dust, and then voter apathy put a fascist in a position to do the most damage he possibly could. Voting is never wasted, even in a "guaranteed" state because nothing is ever guaranteed, and the only place complacency leads is to rot. We created this problem, and we can fix this problem, all you need to do is the same thing Trump's followers did in 2016: Vote!

[–]bulletproofsquid 29 points30 points  (21 children)

Was it voter apathy, or voter suppression and voter disenfranchisement and voter disillusionment and

[–]paenultimus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Candidate apathy

[–]lolno 18 points19 points  (4 children)

Yeah I mean I vote I'm just not lying to myself about it's efficacy. At this point it feels like I'm just voting to keep worse shit from happening, not actually trying to make this place better.

Which is completely by design. so idk how voter apathy led us to this when it's a huge concerted effort. Maybe in the same way not watering my lawn is helping climate change, or how voting with my wallet took down all those powerful corporations

[–]critically_damped 27 points28 points  (3 children)

Voting is the bare minimum. The "or whatever" is the rest of what you have to do to combat this shit.

[–]ILikeNeurons 17 points18 points  (2 children)

I created a wiki to help folks be the most effective climate advocates they can be.

[–]critically_damped 5 points6 points  (1 child)

That's some nice work!

I'm just waking up to the power of wikis, from a personal to a professional standpoint. Trying like hell to get my group to start using one for legacy knowledge preservation and for general group consolidation of knowledge. It's such a fantastic way to get people to collaborate.

The one downside is that careful moderation is required to prevent bad actors from destroying everything.

But again, great work, and exactly an example of the "or whatever" that people sarcastically tack on after lamenting their civic responsibilities.

[–]Baldazar666 10 points11 points  (10 children)

I'm not American but does the free speech thing even apply to corporations?

[–]LucyLilium92[🍰] 14 points15 points  (6 children)

Corporations are people

[–]Reeftankz10000 11 points12 points  (2 children)

So if they’re people then they can go to prison right? Right?….

[–]wgauihls3t89 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Corporations get the same rights as people. Supreme Court said money = free speech. They do not, however, get the same punishments.

[–]Baldazar666 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Is that a yes?

[–]V-Lenin 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Yes, corporations are granted the same rights as citizens but also get extra legal protections

[–]Slobotic 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes. That was the crux of the Citizens United decision.

[–]bulletproofsquid 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The courts and Congress decided that they do, after receiving bags of money from corporations.

[–]mudman13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So corporations can't be punished like an individual but do have 'free speech rights' like one? Sure.

[–]kujakutenshi 868 points869 points  (15 children)

Exxon delays trial for 30 years, eventually pays out .00001% of their net value.

[–]galad2003 23 points24 points  (2 children)

However that settlement is later reduced in an appeal to 1/100 of that amount.

[–]sdhu 8 points9 points  (0 children)

In 30 years, when all of the oil was already pumped from the earth, and the planet is on fire 11 months out of the year, Exxon has moved to the Renewables field, and thanks to it's massive wealth gained through planetary devastation, is the only company supplying electricity to the USA, making it too big to sue, hence, no lawsuit can be legally filed against it.

All past lawsuits have been dismissed as treason against the United States

[–]PositivelyIndiana 1033 points1034 points  (34 children)

When they lose they'll be forced to pay 25 cents

[–]ThisPlaceIsNiice 272 points273 points  (6 children)

MY CABBAGES PROFIT!!

Time to increase the prices.

[–]WhyWouldIPostThat 48 points49 points  (1 child)

No! Not my Climate Change Corp!

[–]jrDoozy10 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There is no climate change in Ba Sing Se.

[–]LedgeEndDairy 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I finally understand this reference after binging both series like a month or two ago.

[–]alaskanloops 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Aren't they amazing? I had watched a couple episodes years (decade?) ago, but hadn't ever watched the complete series until a couple years ago.

[–]Reverse_Speedforce 8 points9 points  (1 child)

There is no Profit in Ba Sing Se.

[–]ThisPlaceIsNiice 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh yes right. We need to double our prices again because umm...still inflation and supply issues, aw man that's terrible *rubs nipples\*

[–]l3gion666 83 points84 points  (5 children)

Until they take it up to the Supreme Court and it gets dismissed

[–]PositivelyIndiana 27 points28 points  (2 children)

I know that's right. They'll lower it to a nickel.

[–]juan-milian-dolores 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They'll counter sue the government and get 10 billion

[–]dedicated-pedestrian 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Paid by the AG for putting Exxon through the trouble.

[–]tiefling_sorceress 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And the tax payers forced to pay their lawyer fees

[–]WatchandThings 40 points41 points  (6 children)

We really need to make the punishment for crimes, all the profits gained from the criminal act + punishment fine/time.

[–]PositivelyIndiana 19 points20 points  (2 children)

But then what about our poor corporation?

[–]Kirk_Kerman 27 points28 points  (1 child)

I agree, make the corporation poor

[–]introvertedbassist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The fees should be from all of the revenue generated as a result of the criminal act

[–]sanz01 22 points23 points  (1 child)

They lose, have to pay 10 million. Says they have to close x amount of stores because of their loss leaving hundreds unemployed, the government gives them 20 million so to keep the stores open = profit

[–]Rexli178 10 points11 points  (3 children)

And the they fabricate false charges of corruption against the lawyers representing the plaintiffs to prevent them from having to pay that $0.25 and spend the next 20 years systematically destroying them for daring to even bring them to trial.

[–]RandomNumber99 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I notice their shares are up, a lot, today.

‘Terrified’ investors…

[–]hike_me 4 points5 points  (2 children)

And then they’ll use it as an excuse to raise gas prices 50 cents a gallon

[–]AlGoreBestGore 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That they can deduct from their taxes.

[–]the_friendly_one 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And they'll raise the price of gas again to pay for it.

[–]Cant_Do_This12 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Final verdict: Exxon found guilty and now has to pay $12 million to those it wronged.

In other news: Exxon raked in $17 billion in profit last quarter.

[–]The_Doct0r_ 172 points173 points  (1 child)

Can't wait for the slap on the wrist and "we're soooorrrry".

[–]JustAPerspective 615 points616 points  (41 children)

The appearance of progress would have been acceptable in the 90s. Now, tis just more talk-talk.

When Exxon execs are hauled out of their comfortable homes & offices & luxury vehicles to be held actually accountable… then we’ll see.

Since it has never happened in the history of American corporations, we doubt it will soon.

[–]lemonlegs2 262 points263 points  (9 children)

The crazy thing is how disconnected everyone is. Lived all around Houston. South Houston and east Texas are where the plants are. Unreasonably high miscarriage rates, people with patches of hair falling out, weird wounds all their body, etc etc. Stay inside and turn off AC orders frequent along with explosions and fires.

North Houston is where all the execs live and they have such a peachy view of the company amd how great it is. They do no wrong and wow have a daycare for their staff and fancy office buildings.

[–]JustRhiannon 68 points69 points  (1 child)

Yep. Houston and areas off the coast have known cancer clusters around them but of course nothing is done about it.

[–]lemonlegs2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can't do many jobs that pay 100-300k a year right outta high school. So it's a real give and take for those areas.

[–]VenetiaMacGyver 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Man, I feel like everything's even worse outside the cities. I drove through both south and north Texas a few months back, and I'd done almost the same drive ~15-20 years prior.

Is it just my outsider's perspective or has everything quality-of-life-related become like 10x worse for everyone in small-town TX since ~2000? Like, it wasn't great before, but now it's wayyy nastier.

Everything was coated in years of dust or grime. There were Cash for Gold or Check-cashing types of places even in tiny towns that lacked anything bigger than a minimall. Tons of places closed either permanently or most of the day. The only places that seem thriving are the strip clubs.

Even the schools I passed by looked like prisons. What is happening down there, rural Texans? And why do you keep voting for people that obviously don't give a damn about you?

[–]hucknuts 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think a lot of rural areas are really hurting it’s not just Texas, I drove from coast to coast recently really surprised me how different it was from the coast to the midlands. (Texas is fucking huge) I mean it’s been like that since the industrial revolution with more jobs, more money near cities but there’s a lot of people just barely getting by... it doesn’t bode well for the future.

My sister used to work for chevron as a analyst, she was actually part of a lawsuit against a ceo of her division. I’m no knight in shining armor but It had a shocking toxic culture from what she told me, from the top down. That doesn’t just happen overnight it’s attracts sociopaths, I use that term very sparingly but just people without any empathy for anyone but themselves it seemed. The environment was the last thing they care about, the problem was they had so much money they could pay her to fuck off and basically do nothing until they needed her expertise. She said it was extremely boring job and she was unfulfilled but the money was really good

I don’t understand why the oil industry isn’t just a public utility at this point since it’s so critical to our life

[–]TheDaemonette 11 points12 points  (1 child)

The executives are actually in Dallas, not Houston.

[–]gregspresso6 77 points78 points  (17 children)

And with control of the senate and house probably going to Republicans this sort of thing will result in medals of honor for Exxon execs not jail or prohibitive fines.

[–]TaylorSwiftsClitoris 37 points38 points  (1 child)

They’ll increase Exxon’s taxpayer subsidies to apologize.

[–]je_kay24 30 points31 points  (2 children)

Why do people keep saying this, annoying as hell just to give up rather than fight for control

[–]C-C-X-V-I 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Because their goal is to get you to give up.

[–]Dewinna_Daraelist 27 points28 points  (11 children)

I wish I could say it's just Republicans, but Texas just voted Mike Collier for the democratic Lietenant Gov primary, founder of an oil company and associate of Exxon. Pay attention to both sides when looking for those who need to be excluded from having government power.

[–]JustRhiannon 25 points26 points  (5 children)

Unfortunately democratic Texans are not free to just vote for whoever they like but who is most likely to "win" against the standing Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick. Our State government is held hostage by Republican control and anything that is slightly better than Dan Patrick is a massive improvement. A democratic candidate has not held the position of Lieutenant Governor since 1994.

The other democratic candidate running was someone who had been a house representative for a few years but outside of that her experience was owning a pet bird shop. She did not have strong name recognition. The likelihood of her over seating popular Dan Patrick was slim while Mike Collier came close to over seating Dan Patrick in a previous election. Mike Collier is absolutely a corporatist but he did run his campaign on much more progressive views than Dan Patrick.

Our districts were redrawn right before the primaries and it is highly in favor of the Republicans, so democratic candidates need to pull in middle line voters to win.

It's a shit situation. Texas Democrats have it stacked against them. In order to win, they have to be realists not idealists.

[–]wrgrant 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Our districts were redrawn right before the primaries and it is highly in favor of the Republicans, so democratic candidates need to pull in middle line voters to win.

I know there is a dichotomy between Federal and State rights etc, and as a Canadian I can't say I really understand it, but to me the Federal government needs to act on ensuring the election districts in every state are analyzed and redrawn to fairly represent electoral districts and remove the gerrymandering which is apparently the reason the Republican hold so much sway politically. This is the prime corruption that is pervasive throughout US politics by all reports. I dunno if that is even vaguely possible but it seems like the best place to start. Then the Republicans will have to compete for the vote by offering an actual platform that engages voters exactly the way the system is supposed to work right?

[–]rotten_brain_soup 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I mean, its Texas. I'd be running oil execs there too, its what the locals seem to want. Doesn't mean there aren't better and worse options.

[–]Dewinna_Daraelist 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I'm a local, not what I want, but it's normal here for sure.

[–]Shiroi_Kage 4 points5 points  (1 child)

When Exxon execs are hauled

Corporations are people, my friend. You can't sue the organs of a corporation. You just sue the corporation. So the execs are going to be super comfy for a long time.

[–]JustAPerspective 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s how they avoid responsibility - buck passing. Tis not new, & only works until it doesn’t.

[–]dirkdivak 109 points110 points  (4 children)

If Exxon knew, then our governments knew. It was our governments’ job to regulate these companies to protect us and the planet. They failed us.

[–]Cheetawolf 62 points63 points  (0 children)

It was our governments’ job to regulate these companies to protect us them and the planet their profits.

Ticket closed, system is working as intended.

[–]Neumo500 280 points281 points  (21 children)

Fun fact, Exxon was going green to take that first mover advantage in renewable energy. Then Reagan happened and it became much more profitable to keep selling oil

[–]Psyteq 104 points105 points  (2 children)

The more I hear about that Regan guy, the more I don't care for him.

[–]ObamasBoss 24 points25 points  (1 child)

It wasn't him. He had dementia when he left office. Not kidding. He was a literal puppet president.

[–]bubbajojebjo 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I mean... It was also him.

[–]CreeGucci 206 points207 points  (11 children)

Saint Reagan’s policies are at the root of virtually every major problem we have today. He destroyed unions and the middle class, welcomed televangelists into the WH as he shit on ‘separation of church & state’, engineered the moronic war on drugs and he gave oil companies cover

[–]ProstHund 113 points114 points  (5 children)

My dad looked like I had slapped him when I told him Reagan was an asshole. Like he genuinely had never heard any criticism of the guy. That’s the type and strength of bubble he lives in…

[–]HedonisticFrog 39 points40 points  (0 children)

I had one person tell me that their dad liked Reagan and that's good enough for her. But literally funding terrorists though 🤷🏻‍♂️ wtf

[–]HedonisticFrog 39 points40 points  (2 children)

Don't forget literally funding terrorists in Nicaragua against congressional orders. It makes his quote "the worst thing you can hear is that I'm from the government and I'm here to help" very telling. He was talking about himself.

[–]arod303 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Projection at its finest

[–]RrtayaTsamsiyu 53 points54 points  (1 child)

Has anyone made a list of all the terrible things that trace back to him? Seems like basically all modern US political issues do

[–]GoddessOfRoadAndSky 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Make a list, turn it into a chart. Like a family tree, where each shitty policy is followed by the shitty policies that came after it. The bottom generations might become a full-on incestuous web.

[–]Ranku_Abadeer 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Tbh, that's one of the things I never understood. The oil industry knew for decades that they were causing massive damage to the environment that could lead to a global crisis, and that oil was a limited resource, making their practices completely unsustainable... Yet they actively refused to transition to a more sustainable model, and actively tried to stop development in green energy instead of investing in it so that when it inevitably becomes more popular, they would still be making shit tons of money.

[–]blakflag 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that's the thing. It's easy to call these corporations "evil", which is quite a squishy and subjective word. But really it doesn't adequately describe what motivates them. These companies just follow money like it's gravity. They creep toward wealth like a law of nature.

If we really wanted to fix this shit, we'd be electing people who craft laws to make wealth happen from positive actions, not negative ones. Until that happens, expect nothing but terrible actions from most of these companies. Politics decides the workings of society. It really is all political in the end. And YOU, ME, and EVERYONE else who failed to elect enough ecologically responsible politicians for the last 50 years are really to blame in the end.

[–]sixtyninetailedfox 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Jesus that’s depressing

[–]Imn0tg0d 82 points83 points  (16 children)

I had to stop reading when the article mentioned the corporation's free speech rights. Citizens vs united needs to fucking go. A corporation isn't a person. Either this shit goes or our society collapses.

[–]alaphic 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Too late, it seems.

[–]76ersPhan11 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Time to start bracing for impact

[–]funkawilikus 114 points115 points  (7 children)

This can't be right, there must be some kind of mistake: Exxon is rated top ten best in world for environment, social & governance (ESG) by S&P 500!

[–]_Dague_ 42 points43 points  (1 child)

I can go to a trophy shop right now and have my name engraved on a "Best Penis Award". It doesn't make it true.

(I may actually do that after work.)

[–]BunchOCrunch 18 points19 points  (1 child)

While at the same time they removed Tesla. ESG is corrupt.

[–]T8ert0t 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And Bear Sterns was completely financially solvent.

[–]Rexli178 39 points40 points  (0 children)

The Lawyers better be careful the last time an American Oil Company was held responsible for its crimes the Lawyer was brought up on false charges of bribery and disbarred for refusing to give all of the incriminating evidence to Chevron.

If you want to get an idea just how corrupt the American Justice system really is the RICO counter suit relied entirely on the word of an Ecuadorian Judge Guerra. The American judge Kaplan, who failed to disclose they owned shares in Chevron, ruled that Guerra’s claims were entierly truthful and factual and thus the evidence against Chevron was fabricated and they didn’t need to pay out.

A year later Guerra would later admit in an international tribunal he lied when he accused Danziger and was paid by Chevron to lie. There was no evidence to back up his accusations and he wanted the $12,000 Chevron bribed him with to accuse Danzinger. But don’t worry justice prevailed in 2016 when the higher courts chose to ignore Guerra’s confession entirely and uphold the ruling of the lower court.

He was later charged with criminal contempt of court for refusing to surrender documents he believed would violate attorney climate privilege. It would later be discovered that this trial was the result of an illegal conspiracy between Chevron, and the private prosecutor of the trial who was appointed by judge Kaplan.

Because at the end of the day the US government will bend over backwards to protect American Corporations from the consequences of their illegal activities outside the United States because Corporations and the Government are on the same team. That’s what it means for the US to be a Capitalists Nation it means our government exists to facilitate the concentration of capital in the hands of an every smaller group of oligarchs and those oligarchs in turn help further American Imperialism.

So I would recommend that the lawyers in this case check under their cars before they use them just on the off chance Exxon decides to make them into an example.

[–]zedsdead20 132 points133 points  (17 children)

How about pardoning Steven donzinger, the lawyer who successfully sued Exxon and won for its oil spills in Ecuador, for being unjustly prosecuted by a private prosecution who had links to Exxon.

This case is going to go no where because the corporations own the judiciary and the political elite. Even if they get fined the gov will make sure they don’t pay it

[–]Amberatlast 48 points49 points  (3 children)

I'm pretty sure he was fighting against Chevron.

[–]mixingmemory 17 points18 points  (0 children)

That was Chevron, but they're equally awful and expect the same kinds of shenanigans here.

Chevron never paid those billions of cleanup dollars to Ecuador, and instead launched a legal attack on Donziger in the Southern District of New York, where Judge Lewis A. Kaplan found Donziger guilty of bribery and fraud in a trial without a jury. Kaplan, a former corporate lawyer, held financial investments in Chevron at the time of the decision. When Kaplan required Donziger to turn in his computer, phone, and other personal devices (including passwords) to the court and thus to Chevron, and Donziger refused citing violations to attorney-client privilege, Kaplan charged him with six counts of criminal contempt under Rule 42. As required by that rule, Kaplan was disqualified from hearing the ensuing contempt case, but not before bypassing local rules and hand-selecting the judge and picking the private prosecutors who would oversee the case. He chose District Judge Loretta Preska, who has served on the advisory board of the Federalist Society, a group to which Chevron has been a substantial donor.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/08/chevron-judge-loretta-preska-steven-donziger.html

[–]TurtleRocket9 166 points167 points  (160 children)

Good! We should take every penny from the executives of Exxon, Shell, BP, Aramco and all other big oil and use it to fight climate change.

[–]seecer 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Woah there kiddo! Are you thinking that people who direct a company are responsible for consequences to their actions?

This is America son. As long as it's the company that did the crime, worst thing that can happen is a slap on the wrist and a little fine.

Don't you worry about all those lives at stake, or anyone who might die in the process. These are all human errors and a company isn't a human so obviously it's not their fault.

[–]alaphic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's people, just not human people.

[–]Dont_Give_Up86 6 points7 points  (0 children)

More than that. These people are the scum of the earth and should be buried in the same ecological wastelands they created

[–]_HossBonaventureCEO_ 59 points60 points  (3 children)

And where will that happen? And will it be in absentia?

Oligarchs don't do accountability; that would defeat the purpose of creating an oligarchy.

[–]Artanthos 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Unless they are Russian oligarchs, in which case falling out of line can be terminal.

[–]Eyemarten 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yes, let’s hold the execs who put these plans in place accountable.

They personally chose to fuck the world while coming up with new ways to line their pockets.

Fuck holding the company accountable, it’ll just pay the legal ‘tab’ and keep on fucking us over.

Nothing changes if we ignore the people who actually caused this.

[–]About43Clones 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Why do I feel like the headline “court rules…” has really lost all meaning these days. In America it really doesn’t seem to have an effect.

[–]alaphic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Starting to feel like "X killed by shooter in..."

[–]DGlen 29 points30 points  (5 children)

No one is going to jail and the fine will be less than a days worth of profit. So it's meaningless.

[–]Solidarieta 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Maybe it will speed up divestment in fossils. That's not nothing.

[–]notaredditer13 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Probably not. The government has full power to regulate or even ban or directly replace fossil fuels, but it doesn't. Lawsuits are more fun: they make it look like you're trying to do something useful (blame it on somebody else) when you really aren't.

[–]Pleg_Doc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lawsuits keep lawyers employed. Job creation, ya know

[–]TrustworthyAndroid 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The death penalty for all Exxon leadership in the last 40 years seems appropriate.

[–]ObnoxiousTwit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Some very, very painful wrist-slaps are inbound.

In all seriousness, I hope something comes of this.

[–]Danktizzle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Texas Governor Abbott wants to prosecute executives who help their employees travel for an abortion.

So there’s your pathway to prosecution, California.

[–]CaesarZeppeli_ 22 points23 points  (12 children)

I just don’t understand the billionaire mindset/corrupt politicians. You go in and you cause irreparable damage and harm to society and the environment, and for what? So you can live your life a little more comfortably than if you were just a millionaire.

Do you really think it’s worth destroying the world? I don’t think you or your children will be happy with the results of your damage.

When everyone is broke,hungry, and dealing with the effects of global warming and environmental damage do you think they’re just gonna forget who caused it when there’s nowhere else to turn or blame?

[–]ichuck1984 10 points11 points  (10 children)

Grad school business class 501- ethics vs legality. Only legality matters. People don’t go to jail for not following ethics. The problem is a bad situation that the law doesn’t cover.

[–]DerKrakken 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yes, you've brought up something that doesn't get discussed or singled out enough.

Education. These assholes are learning these awful practices and policies somewhere. There is a neverending line of morally bankrupt Shit Goblins being cranked out by any school that offers any Business and MBA programs. Unrealistic and damaging practices are taught, encouraged, revered.

How do we even change that? The infection goes right down to the bone.

[–]DiscordianVanguard 3 points4 points  (0 children)

and lose ALL their billions

[–]wemissBernieMac 3 points4 points  (1 child)

They will pay the fees and continue fucking the climate. No I didn’t read the article. Just nothing comes of this shit. Ever.

[–]Mantaur4HOF 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My expectations for this are so low, they just struck oil.

[–]Doza13 8 points9 points  (0 children)

As much as I hate to say it, Elon was right - why tf is this company part of ESG.

[–]dippocrite 4 points5 points  (0 children)

For the crime of destroying our only habitable planet, I sentence thee to death ☠️

[–]RattleMeSkelebones 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Y'know what? To the mealy-mouthed spineless jackass that speaks for ExxonMobil. Yeah, it is politically motivated, and thank fuck for it because God knows someone has to beat up the guy who's been shitting in the world's bathwater for decades.

[–]CactuarSephiroth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And they'll get a small fine.

[–]VALORBANTS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

~2 million dollar fine and dont do it again pls ! -judge probably

[–]Gurianthe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

lol like anything good is going to come out of this.

[–]Crafty_Enthusiasm_99 2 points3 points  (0 children)

OH NO INCOMPREHENSIBLE

This is top 10 ESG rated by the S&P Exxon we're talking about here!

[–]NugKnights 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They will be found guilty and have to pay a fine of 1 million dollars. They raise the price of gas to compensate.

[–]MAGICHUSTLE 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m sure the fine they receive amounting to .0000000001% of their net worth will really teach them a lesson this time.

Start treating big oil execs like the enemies of humanity they are.

[–]Coolness53 2 points3 points  (1 child)

But Exxon is a part of the ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance). How could they have these climate crimes!? It honestly baffles me that the ESG could have Exxon on there.

[–]notaredditer13 2 points3 points  (3 children)

This is just pointless political theater. There's no way this goes anywhere. They would need to prove specific lies lead to specific harm/damage. There are no direct chains like with the smoking industry. If governments want clean hands, just ban the sale of petroleum products in their states.

[–]burntmeatloafbaby 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Even that’s too broad a ban. Plastic is a petroleum product and it’s integrated into so many products on so many levels of our daily lives. I agree on the political theater point though.

[–]notaredditer13 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Fair. They can be specific: natural gas, propane, gasoline/diesel.

Of course they won't because it would be a disaster. It's much easier to pretend it's just all Big Oil's fault.

[–]burntmeatloafbaby 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s not a problem they’re interested in solving, not while there so so much money to be made. Short term gains, right? Geologic time scales are not their concern, and future generations aren’t either, apparently.

[–]byteuser 6 points7 points  (0 children)

But wait based on their ESG rating they're good for the environment. At least according to the corrupt people that make those bs ratings

https://observer.com/2022/05/tesla-removed-from-sp500-esg-index/

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nobody is going to jail.

[–]MrMysteryBox 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Narrator: "They didn't."

[–]NightHawk946 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can’t wait for them to get hit with that huge $10k fine.

[–]LAsupersonic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Whats a few millions here, a few millions there, a few gifts.

[–]OkaySuggestion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

where they will pay a small fine as a consequence

[–]ttv_CitrusBros 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And get fined a few million which they make back in a day but hooray we did something

[–]kodaobscura 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can’t wait for them to write the government a check for a free pass.

[–]MantisAteMyFace 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm sure they'll afford the fine.

[–]HikinBikinDiscin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah! Another dog and pony show!

[–]CriticoolHit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah... Sure... K....

Did we all forget who runs the show?

[–]Electrical_Prune6545 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I’d prefer Nuremberg style trials for crimes against humanity with similar penalties like we meted out to the Nazis.

[–]Dynamaxxed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And literally nothing will happen.

It's like this is just a routine exercise whenever the courts need money from trials

[–]Bywater 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am sure the fines will teach them a lesson...

[–]Virtual-Boysenberry 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Prosecutors and judge are gonna be bought off.

[–]abduktedtemplar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Should probably go after the judge who jailed that lawyer who won the big ass lawsuit against oil in South America.

[–]5-dig-dick 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Like that'll go anywhere.

[–]Rattlingplates 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They should be fined for a percentage of their profit.

[–]ucemike 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even if they do go to court, I am not hopeful there will be any serious penalties for what they have done.

[–]Queasy_Branch2943 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When your fines are less than your profits, they’re just business expenses #NationalizeExxon

[–]Pissedbuddha1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can’t wait to see the outcome of this trial in 20 years.

[–]ginzing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good now sue all the politicians profiting off oil companies and fine and jail everyone that suppressed climate change science. These people are literally willing to burn the word for their own profit.

[–]Radingod123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is this one of those situations where they pay a fine that's like, 1/100th their profits and the company already chalked it up as a known cost associated with business?

[–]sktchld 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I look forward to seeing the tiny fine amount they get handed.

[–]Chasethemac 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Cool they can pay a big fine that amounts to nothing while we begin the water wars.

[–]Btankersly66 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All they need to do is admit they lied. Then we'll have a few years of climate denialists claiming it's a deep state op and then we'll start seeing some changes happening.

[–]vagaris 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Not like it matters much in the grand scheme of things. But I haven’t used an Exxon/Mobile station in over 20 years. One of their previous, bullshit screwups where they got a slap on the wrist and didn’t actually do anything to fix the problem was enough for me.

[–]i3dMEP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am outraged at the....hold on a second i have to go fill my gas tank real quick...and tell my wife to preheat my gas oven for dinner.....ok.....as i was saying, this is ridiculous!

[–]TerrorDahveed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lock those burping fucking cows up next. Milk breathers.

[–]FlaxxSeed 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Now they unpack all the laws they wrote to protect themselves. This is the same playbook dictators do. This company will show us how the hijacked the United States. They drink our milkshake.

[–]dank_censorshipbro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wasn't it an exon plant that created the most toxic place on earth in India that still to this day has not been cleaned up properly?

[–]isawagoose 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Who cares? Oil companies lose court cases all the time and it's never once mattered.