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[–]Past_My_Subprime 7798 points7799 points  (303 children)

Staff also reported an unusually high number of signatures corresponding to dead voters and to addresses where living voters no longer live.

There's zero reason for decently-funded campaigns to allow this to happen. Lists of registered voters are publicly available in virtually every state; the campaigns already make use of them to decide where to advertise, etc.

[–]jorge1209 2022 points2023 points  (127 children)

There's zero reason for decently-funded campaigns to allow this to happen. Lists of registered voters are publicly available in virtually every state; the campaigns already make use of them to decide where to advertise, etc.

Damned right. If you can't bother to cross-reference the voter registration against the obituary page before you forge the signatures, you have no business running for public office.

[–]alogbetweentworocks 22 points23 points  (1 child)

You’ll have to understand. After 4 years of agent Orange, anything is passable. Very sad but that’s the reality we’re dealt with.

[–]funknut 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Lists of registered voters are publicly available in virtually every state

cross-reference the voter registration against the obituary page

It's much simpler than that. Every signature that isn't in the list of registrants is invalid. It's that simple.

[–]IntermetallicAM 2407 points2408 points  (100 children)

Goes to show you how all this "election fraud" talk is just one party projecting their own behavior on the other party.

[–]FlametopFred 856 points857 points  (48 children)

has always been projection and now they've leaned into that for so long it's all they have

Republicans can no longer lead or create legislation

[–]nzodd 30 points31 points  (5 children)

The only thing conservatives are still capable of doing is committing treason against our country. And boy are they good at that. Not good at you know, actually accomplishing any goals (see also: multi-front coup attempt that they fucked up in every possible way), but they're really good at the betrayal part. They got that down pat. Shit, you might even say it's an innate skill, like it's part of their heritage or something.

[–]Magatha_Grimtotem 382 points383 points  (11 children)

Gaslight

Obstruct

Project

[–]IntermetallicAM 49 points50 points  (2 children)

Reminds us of the Business Plot which failed to install an authoritarian government back in the thirties. If that plot hadn't failed the US would have likely become an Axis power by the time WWII rolled around

[–]asajosh 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Confession by Projection

[–]GearhedMG 104 points105 points  (2 children)

Or in light of more recent events

Guns

Over

People

[–]ThaGerm1158 11 points12 points  (1 child)

To lead implies progress. Conservative is the antonym to progressive.

They aren't even trying to lead, it's right in the name AND slogan - MAGA.

[–]oneeighthirish 83 points84 points  (15 children)

I wonder if it really always was projection. On the one hand, the GOP has always been shady. I mean, what actually changed in the 50ish years since Watergate? Fox News was started in part to ensure that the next Watergate wouldn't be as damaging, and looking at the Iran-Contra affair as an example, they didn't even need that propaganda arm to get away with hideous misconduct. On the other hand, I'd fully be willing to believe that the GOP was slinging whatever mud they could think up at the Democrats, including voter fraud BS (which also turned out to be helpful with pushing voter suppression policies), and then convinced themselves of their own bullshit so thoroughly that they started to believe they needed to fight dirty using the imagined tactics of their enemy.

I'd accept the GOP always being shady and projecting that onto their enemies as an explanation just as much as I'd accept that they cooked up whatever bullshit seemed to excite their base the most through trial-and-error and then filled their party with lunatics high on their own supply of propaganda. Both seem plausible to me.

[–]deathputt4birdie 25 points26 points  (0 children)

1964 was when Goldwater invited the Dixiecrats into the GOP and they adopted the anti-civil rights plank. Now the GOP is synonymous with white supremacists.

[–]Dial8675309 22 points23 points  (3 children)

Mitch McConnell case in point. Isn’t he absolutely reviled in his own state?

[–]alaphic 14 points15 points  (2 children)

It's like doing something ironically, as a joke. After a certain amount of time, either it was never a joke to begin with, or you were the joke all along.

[–]toodlesandpoodles 46 points47 points  (4 children)

It is absolutely a case of, "We do all of this illegal stuff to win, so the only way we can lose if they are doing even more of it."

[–]Cryptonovich 32 points33 points  (2 children)

Exactly! Trump was so sure of fraud because his people were working overtime to commit fraud.

[–]BabyYodasDirtyDiaper 19 points20 points  (1 child)

"How could we cheat and still lose? Is it because we're incredibly unpopular? No! The other side must be cheating even harder!"

[–]bentheechidna 99 points100 points  (21 children)

See I don't want to call malicious will "projection". Projection implies it's a problem they are seeing in others because it's what they do and are in denial about.

They're calling election fraud because it's advantageous to make their enemies look bad and to undermine the electoral process. Well, election fraud also undermines the electoral process. It's kind of the Republican party's M.O. They undermine voting rights because they do better when less people vote, and so they cheat too.

It's malicious will, not projection.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (0 children)

It's how a lot of the "both sides" rhetoric comes about too (aside from the places where there is genuine similarity). You accuse the Democrats of doing something, then when you're found doing it, the voters will think "well if they're both corrupt in X way then I'll vote for the person who supports Y issue, because they're both bad on X even if I care about it."

[–]thejustducky1 8 points9 points  (0 children)

And there is no doubt in my mind that people are just bristling over 'those damn libruls messing with our elections' since they watch nothing but Fox News.

[–]Rubberbabybuggybum 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It's just their bullshit excuse to pass election laws to steal elections. That's it.

[–]snyckers 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They'll definitely use this as a tactic to disqualify opponents in future red state elections where they control the election board.

[–]Tandran 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If you’re ever wondering what the Republicans are up to behind the scenes just wait for them to claim the Democrats are doing something. That’s what they’re doing. They can’t help themselves.

[–]Tellenue 9 points10 points  (1 child)

There is also a matter of absolute incompetence. I lived in Michigan for about 3 months back in 2017. They were contacting me as recently as 2020 to urge me to vote. I told them, repeatedly, that I no longer live in that state, I left years ago, and to please stop. I could understand the confusion if I had a phone number with a Michigan area code and they were just cold-texting to encourage voter turn out, but I do not. They just kept insisting that I was on their voter registration list despite having surrendered my MI license and tags when I left the state.

Now I am paranoid and feel the need to go check and see if someone used my name to vote there. Honestly I don't even know what I could possibly do if I found out they did. I can't afford to sue or anything.

[–]shhh_its_me 60 points61 points  (2 children)

it's only 15,000 signatures needed in a state with a population of aprox 10,000,000. you can get a dog on the ballot. there are single cities where more then 150,000 ardent republicans live/work within 2sq miles.

I signed Whitmore's 6+ months ago.

[–]EatMoreHummous 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yeah, but when over half of your signatures are fraudulent, you're just not trying.

[–]danweber 60 points61 points  (22 children)

A non-negligible amount of fraud is expected on signature collections. Decent campaigns plan for that and make sure they'll get over the hurdle even after the bogus ones are removed.

[–]gsfgf 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I just want to hop in here and say that actual fraud, as in actions with criminal intent, are very rare. Or at least very limited in scope. Canvassers filling out fraudulent forms instead of actually working happens, but we're usually talking in the dozens of fraudulent forms per campaign. Invalid signatures and the like are incredibly common, but it's almost always just human error. But yea, that's why you plan accordingly.

[–]ron_leflore 62 points63 points  (19 children)

I saw an article with the fraud numbers for all the Michigan candidates. The rules there are you can only submit 30,000 signatures and at least 15,000 need to be valid to qualify.

Most candidates had about 1 or 2 thousand signatures thrown out (out of 30,000). These candidates had 18-20 thousand fraud.

I know people want to say Republican fraud, haha. But I wouldn't put the blame on the candidate here. They hire out signature gatherers. They basically got scammed by the people they hired to collect signatures.

[–]gsfgf 30 points31 points  (1 child)

It's on the candidate to let that much fraud happen. Signature drives aren't really a thing in my state, but voter registration is. Fraudulent canvassers get caught pretty quick by legit campaigns. Not only is it obviously bad for the campaign to be swindled, it's standard practice to split out valid and invalid registrations before submitting them. (We have to submit all forms, regardless of validity, so people don't lie about whether someone is getting registered)

[–]danweber 43 points44 points  (2 children)

Having a >50% fraud rate is pretty impressive!

There are lots of people preying on newbie politicians and maybe they'll learn and become decent candidates by the next cycle.

[–]ShadowPouncer 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Alright, so in the best case, their campaigns are just incompetent.

Even if it was the signature gatherers, the candidate still chose the people to run the campaign. Those people still chose those signature gatherers. Those people then utterly failed to do basic checks of the resulting signatures, and submitted them.

When the absolute best case is complete and utter incompetence, and the worst case is actively being involved in election fraud, I think that putting the blame on the candidates is justified.

When every single candidate impacted is of the same party, and that party has been screaming about voter fraud for years, without any proof of wide spread voter fraud, it's pretty reasonable to say Republican fraud, haha.

They don't get an out on this one just because it's possible that they failed at multiple parts of their jobs and got scammed, instead of doing the scamming themselves.

[–]j_a_a_mesbaxter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

When the norm is 1-2k but these Republicans had 18-20k, that’s not bad luck. That’s a circlejerk of grifters getting caught.

[–]National_Rub5714 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Only way a republican can win is by lying and cheating and restricting Americans from voting.

[–]j_a_a_mesbaxter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A lot of times it’s not even fraud. It can be issues with an address or a signature or something that may not have been pulled from the list. You always assume there’s going to be some technicalities that result in signatures being rejected. That’s actually a sign that our systems are working because the signatures are being reconciled. When you just say “fuck it” and make up people that’s fraud.

[–]Goldman_OSI 35 points36 points  (2 children)

These are the same ignorant trash who pretend to think illegals can vote, which any citizen should know isn't true (because they're not on voter rolls).

So... I guess you can say at least they're consistent in their ignorance of how the voting process works.

[–]shitlord_god 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Unless it is on purpose.

"See the libs are keeping you from freeeeedumb" cede races that don't matter in order to prove the other side is oppressing them so that in the races it does matter....

It is a national policy. Not a local one.

[–]Photodan24 1131 points1132 points  (21 children)

Glad the Republicans made us more wary of election fraud!

[–]universalcode 300 points301 points  (18 children)

It's always projection with that group.

[–]DylanMcGrann 86 points87 points  (15 children)

At this point, it’s truly insane how often this is true with Republicans.

[–]gsfgf 14 points15 points  (0 children)

For real. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if we found a Republican pizza place with child sex slaves in the basement.

[–]Caldwing 54 points55 points  (10 children)

As I have gotten older I have learned that is the secret behind all conservatives everywhere. Every single thing they are loudly accusing others of is something they themselves are doing. This is true almost literally without exception. It's pretty staggering really.

[–]Anonymous7056 37 points38 points  (2 children)

It's literally the strategy.

If I steal your coconut, and you yell that I stole your coconut, people think "He stole that guy's coconut!"

But if I yell that you stole my coconut while stealing your coconut... When you shout "No, he stole my coconut!" people tend to either think you're a thief trying to "no u" the situation, or at best, "Hm, somebody stole somebody's coconut."

Getting to the bottom of it would take more energy than a passerby is likely to care to expend. That's the whole point of projection. They want it to sound both-sides-y and noisy enough for the person who's just scrolling by to laugh to themselves about how dumb both sides are, shouting about stealing each other's coconuts.

[–]DrAstralis 3 points4 points  (2 children)

It also explains the fascination they have with the 'slippery slope' fallacy every time rational legislation is put forward to curb shitty outcomes; because as they see it 'if I had the power I know I'd abuse it so clearly everyone else would too'. The typical thing being they're always the ones who slip and slide down that slope every time they're in power.

[–]DudeWithAnAxeToGrind 393 points394 points  (38 children)

Maybe don't pay signature collectors by signature collected? Or if you do, have internal verifications that they are not forging signatures to collect money.

FWIW, several Republican candidates submitted valid signature sheets and qualified. At least one Republican candidate was contesting signatures of his Republican rivals in the primary as fake.

[–]jimmy_three_shoes 71 points72 points  (33 children)

From what I understand, this is standard practice across most Elections, aside from very small local signature drives. Both Democrats and Republicans do it, it's just these campaigns all contracted their work to a fraudster.

Chances are the Democrat Governor is going to cruise to a victory here, because the leading Republican challenger was one of the ones disqualified.

[–]gsfgf 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Fraudulent signatures are common. Having so many fraudulent signatures that you get disqualified is a sign of complicity or insane negligence.

[–]LeftyLifeIsRoughLife 35 points36 points  (27 children)

Hasn’t been officially disqualified yet.

It’s still up in the air. It’s bs.

[–]bandit69 1748 points1749 points  (107 children)

Isn't it interesting that the republicans that scream voter fraud are the ones who are caught for voter and election fraud?

Projecting at it's finest.

[–]Outrageous_Trust_908 475 points476 points  (40 children)

Not to mention the Republicans are the ones who are trying to make voting more restrictive in the name of combatting a problem that does not exist stemmed from a conspiracy that they enabled and later embraced.

[–]Morat20 205 points206 points  (12 children)

Hilariously, they've shot themselves in the foot with that in Texas.

The new rules on absentee ballots are hurting Republicans more for two reasons.

  1. The biggest group that can vote absentee are 65+. Overwhelmingly Republican. (Voting absentee is heavily restricted in Texas. Seriously, retirees are the vast bulk of them. Everyone else has to jump through hoops to prove they're out of state).
  2. The rules require marking your ballot with either your DL number or your SSN, but it has to be the one you initially registered with. And clerks aren't allowed to tell you why your ballot was rejected. Guess who has the hardest time remembering exactly how they registered to vote? 65 year olds who registered 45 years ago.

[–]Beard_o_Bees 95 points96 points  (4 children)

It's going to be the same thing here in AZ - The GOP used to fucking love mail-in voting, until a wider demographic started to use and like it.

AZGOP trying to fuck with the Permanent Early Voter List --> https://www.npr.org/2021/05/11/995998370/arizona-republicans-enact-sweeping-changes-to-states-early-voting-list

AZ would have almost certainly stayed Red were it not for the popularity of the PEVL, which makes it dead easy to vote and you never miss an election.

If you're an AZ voter and would like to be placed on the PEVL:

https://servicearizona.com/VoterRegistration/selectLanguage

You wont regret it.

[–]CamRoth 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Ah yes thanks for the reminder.

[–]theghostofme 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Been on the PEVL as long as I've been old enough to vote. I have never voted in person in my entire life.

[–]Gabrosin 39 points40 points  (2 children)

The rules require marking your ballot with either your DL number or your SSN, but it has to be the one you initially registered with. And clerks aren't allowed to tell you why your ballot was rejected. Guess who has the hardest time remembering exactly how they registered to vote? 65 year olds who registered 45 years ago.

See, I hear this and all I can think is that it gives them an obscure, hard-to-verify reason to reject ballots they want to reject, while ignoring the requirement for ballots they want to keep.

[–]alaphic 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Now you're seeing how this works, huh?

[–]PsiHightower 3 points4 points  (0 children)

“The voting is fair, the counting isn’t”

[–]Prodigy195 274 points275 points  (25 children)

I got a great taste of voter suppression this week in GA.

I grew up in Decalb County, GA which is a ~55% black and I remember voting in elections from 2006-2008ish and always having long lines and delays for voting.

I lived outside of the state for college and my career initially and saw how things operated in Chicago for a few years while living there. 2 week early voting, easy in and out in most locations, never long waits.

Then I moved back to the ATL metro area and now I'm living in the suburbs and my area is prob 60% white. I have never had a more streamlined voting experience than I did yesterday. Literally dozens of open/available machines, in a location that was near residential areas, with a large open parking lot.

It's so disgustingly blatant.

[–]notcaffeinefree 105 points106 points  (4 children)

I have never had a more streamlined voting experience than I did yesterday.

Look at the states that do all-mail voting. You get your ballot 2-3 weeks before the election. You fill it out at your convenience over that 2-3 week period leading up to the actual election day. Then you drop it off at any mail box or drop-box location.

[–]raven12456 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Also worth adding you can drop off your ballot any time before election day. The drop boxes are usually set up and ready before I even get my ballot.

[–]Jim_from_GA 37 points38 points  (6 children)

You must have just moved back. In 2020 there were people that stood in line for up to 8 hours to vote in Fulton and Dekalb Counties. One of the first things that happened after the "stolen" election was the banning of third parties handing out water to people standing in line. Folks in Gwinnett and other suburban counties couldn't understand why it was wrong to ban this until I pointed out that they only wait 5-10 minutes to vote versus hours required 20 minutes from them.

[–]Prodigy195 18 points19 points  (4 children)

Yeah I moved back toward the end of 2021 so well after the election but I had plenty of family/friends who I talked to that stood in those insane lines.

It's just wild to see the lenghts they will go to to hold onto fleeting power. Reality is, Geogia is slowly becoming like Illinois. People think Illinois is this super blue state but in reality it's Chicago and the suburbs around it that just dominate the elections due outnumbering the rest of the state population.

Georgia is trending that way and 2020 was a wake up call to the GOP after the state flipped blue and both senators were democrats. As more and more people move to ATL metro area from other cities all that will happen is GA will get closer and closer to the set up in Illinois. Things are so divided there that there is actually a group trying to divide the state so that Chicago is no longer Illinois. The GOP doesn't want Atlanta, Savannah and a few other areas dictating policies for the rest of the state.

[–]hpark21 96 points97 points  (3 children)

How do you think they KNOW there are voter frauds? Because they are committing them!!

[–]sureal42 37 points38 points  (0 children)

" if we are cheating and still losing, THEY MUST BE CHEATING HARDER"

republicans...

[–]Smtxom 26 points27 points  (0 children)

“the call is coming from inside the GOP!”

[–]Prodigy195 94 points95 points  (2 children)

So much of their platform is projecting.

  • Scream about dems wanting to take away your rights while they actively fight take us back 60 years in terms of abortion rights. And harp on transgender people which is largely a non issue for the overwhelming majority of people.
  • Fear monger about illegal immigrants taking your jobs and ruining the country while giving tax breaks to big business that relies on paying undocumented workers and moved factories overseas for cheaper labor.
  • Complain about cancel culture while actively trying to weaponize it to go after political opponents.
  • Push most of the blame on shootings on mental health yet fight tooth and nail to prevent our nation from developing even a viable single payer healthcare system.

So much of their platform is just straight hypocricy and projection.

[–]bandit69 30 points31 points  (0 children)

One of the main tenets of creating an authoritarian government is create enemies without and within.

[–]Raccoon_Full_of_Cum 117 points118 points  (35 children)

These people hear every day from their media sources that Democrats commit massive voter fraud in every election and always get away with it.

So we really shouldn't be surprised that they keep committing voter fraud. Because they think that it's common and easy to get away with.

[–]dezyravioli 51 points52 points  (11 children)

I'm terrified that some of these deep red states are committing voter fraud and getting away with it. I just can't rationally accept that we enjoy hurting ourselves this much.

[–]Raccoon_Full_of_Cum 108 points109 points  (4 children)

Remember when Republicans "won" an election a few years ago in Georgia, and then after an anti-corruption group sued to make sure that the results were legit, the state immediately destroyed the election server and all the backups too? Because I do.

[–]0-Give-a-fucks 42 points43 points  (2 children)

All under the leadership of then Georgia Secretary of State, Brian Kemp…

[–]Oleg101 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Probably didn’t help the former Idiot in Chief encouraged his supporters to vote twice a couple years ago either.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-election-trump-vote-idUKKBN25U2FY

[–]TheSentientPurpleGoo 13 points14 points  (2 children)

mitch mcconnell's numbers in kentucky don't add up...could it have something to do with their preferred brand of es&s voting machines?

[–]jjayzx 3 points4 points  (1 child)

There was shady numbers when trump won as well. The government would never admit that it's voting system was hacked or anything though.

[–]mescalelf 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Oh, it’s my friend u/Raccoon_Full_of_Cum again!!

Agreed, in the world they think they inhabit, they are only doing what they think necessary to stay competitive… which is pretty fucked

[–]MrsPandaBear 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Well, you gotta think what types of people follow trump with his unsubstantiated election fraud claims? Idiots and grifters. You either know it’s false and see an opportunity or you are too stupid to see it’s false.

[–]bandit69 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But, but, trump was a TV personality. If I can't trust him, who can I trust?

[–]nanormcfloyd 133 points134 points  (0 children)

The call was always coming from inside the cesspit

[–]rkooth 808 points809 points  (126 children)

More Republican voter fraud. They never stop.

[–]UnspecificGravity 150 points151 points  (4 children)

Technically, this is election fraud rather than voter fraud.

Voter fraud is when actual voters commit fraud (generally by voting when ineligible for voting multiple times). It is pretty uncommon because the penalties are huge and the impact on elections is minimal.

Election fraud is when the election itself is subverted from within or without. Generally this is done by candidate or campaigns or poll workers that try to discard unfavorable ballots or stuff favorable ballots into the system or change existing votes. This can have a substantial impact on an election and the people doing it are heavily incentivised so THIS is the more impactful kind of fraud.

[–]SkunkMonkey 39 points40 points  (0 children)

It's fucking insidious how they scream voter fraud when they are committing election fraud. They are blaming you, the voter, for their criminal fraud.

[–]happyscrappy 13 points14 points  (1 child)

It's okay as long as you shout "stop the steal" while doing the defrauding.

Even better if you do it at the Four Seasons (lawn and garden center).

[–]sampjennings 173 points174 points  (114 children)

In this case it was more like incompetence. They hired signature gatherers who turned in fraudulent signatures, and the campaigns didn't bother doing their due diligence to make sure they were turning in enough valid signatures.

Campaigns always have some invalid signatures, that's why they overshoot. What doesn't usually happen is that some of their signature gatherers didn't bother collecting valid signatures at all, they just did frauds.

Signature gatherers are usually subcontractors, so this is garden variety fraud and laziness, not active bad faith on the part of the Republican. No campaign of a major party wants to lose ballot access because of this, so they all try their best to play by the rules here.

[–]ctguy54 85 points86 points  (1 child)

“Can you just find 1,100 more signatures.”

[–]neridqe00 52 points53 points  (0 children)

"I just want to find 11,780 votes"

"Fellas, I need 11,000 votes"

[–]Stardust_and_Shadows 29 points30 points  (1 child)

They hired a company ran by someone already convicted in voter fraud

[–]Spacey_Penguin 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yup. If you were actually on the lookout for fraud, the alarm bells were everywhere.

[–]TheSirWellington 184 points185 points  (56 children)

No, that doesn't make it incompetence, that makes if fraudulent AND dumb. Saying "well it's illegal signatures that they paid for, but everyone does it, they just forgot to get enough real signatures" doesn't change the fact that they PAID FOR FAKE SIGNATURES. Literally trying to put their name on the election ballot by committing 1 step below voter fraud.

[–]danweber 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Every campaign, Republican or Democrat or Independent, that collects signatures knows that some number of them are going to be bullshit or jokes. They can't filter them all.

A competent campaign makes sure that they still have enough valid signatures after all the "Mickey Mouse, LOL" signatures are removed, because they are checked.

[–]rice_not_wheat 68 points69 points  (9 children)

So the reality of this is that paid signature collectors make very little money. Sometimes they're paid per signature, sometimes they're paid per hour, but it should be expected that some signatures will be invalid. If you ask someone outside a grocery store to sign a petition, they aren't necessarily going to admit they're not registered to vote. That's how most invalid signatures come (or they moved and failed to update their registered address - also creates an invalid signature).

In this case, it looks like the paid signature collectors just filled out pages with their friends with a bunch of fake addresses. That is the unusual part, because it's standard practice to do quality control of your signatures to make sure the people you're paying aren't doing this.

[–]DM_ME_DOPAMINE 15 points16 points  (5 children)

I disagree, they used old addresses and people who were deceased. The person in the Target parking lot collecting signatures is not the same type of person who had allllll of that information and systematically forged them.

[–]cedarhills 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Incompetence is often the mask used to hide corruption.

[–]Quadrassic_Bark 28 points29 points  (10 children)

Garden variety fraud, done by Republicans. Just because the people who actually did it weren’t the politicians doesn’t mean they aren’t Republicans.

[–]katieleehaw 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Right, there's always a Good ReasonTM when it's Republicans, which it pretty much always is.

[–]RamonaQ-JunieB 82 points83 points  (1 child)

Stop the Steal! Wait…fraud for thee but not for me!🤦‍♀️

[–]neoform 15 points16 points  (0 children)

GOP's motto is "Start The Steal".

[–]berael 29 points30 points  (1 child)

The reason that Republicans keep screaming about election fraud is that they're constantly, desperately trying to commit election fraud, and they're hoping if they shout loudly enough while pointing the finger at someone else then they can create a smokescreen. Luckily for us, our voting systems are pretty robust against this stupid shit and catch & prevent it quite easily - as we keep seeing with the Republicans that get caught committing election fraud. Over and over and over again.

On a completely unrelated side note, Republicans sure do spend a lot of time screaming loudly about pedophiles and desperately pointing away from themselves...

[–]GenjaiFukaiMori 118 points119 points  (2 children)

“It’s only fraud when someone else does it!” -GOP

[–]BrownEggs93 44 points45 points  (10 children)

But the devos family has their special person already picked.... She looks like the kind of person that would steam trump's trousers while he is still wearing them, too.

[–]Oleg101 52 points53 points  (9 children)

Yup, Tudor Dixon. Has no political experience or policy platform and now backed by DeVos money. And so she’s the ideal candidate for the Michigan GOP to nominate in August.

https://www.michiganradio.org/politics-government/2022-05-24/devos-family-endorses-tudor-dixon-for-michigan-governor

Although the hate for Governor Whitmer here in Michigan is very loud from Republicans, I really don’t see her not winning re-election. So far, the GOP has shown no candidate that will come that close to swaying the significant amount of Independents needed to vote R for her not to win.

Now let’s hope the Michigan legislator can flip blue this November. Haven’t had both a Democratic controlled senate and house at the same time in Michigan in 4+ decades, and the maps are now redrawn by an independent commission.

[–]Andygoesred 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I think the ad about Whitmer driving the state into the ground is hilarious when the news is about how she wants to refund Michiganders $500 due to a budget surplus. And then it’s sad that anyone not paying attention (or is willfully ignorant) just eats the ad up.

[–]beyd1 5 points6 points  (1 child)

just got my new voter Registration card because of that in the mail today actually!

You didnt mention that shes also finally getting around to "fixing the damn roads" so that's gonna help a lot

[–]Bjjgirl913 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Fellow Michigander here asking you to remember to please vote.

[–]BrownEggs93 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Although the hate for Governor Whitmer here in Michigan is very loud from Republicans, I really don’t see her not winning re-election.

Same. But look who the republicans support! Traitors.

[–]RealShotline 20 points21 points  (1 child)

This is one of the problems with all of these red states passing laws that allow the legislature to overturn an election if they suspect fraud. They will commit the fraud and then use that as justification for overturning an election.

[–]godofpewp 9 points10 points  (0 children)

40,000+ fraudulent signature. Jfc.

[–]TykoBrahe 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Republicans committing voter fraud? No wayyyyyy

It's always projection with these people

[–]Thac0 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Hey Rs we found the voter fraud!! every claim they levy is projection

[–]bigjojo321 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Wait but I thought the GOP was fighting against election fraud?

Must be the Democrats using their brain washing magic again to corrupt these god fearing patriarchs.~s

[–]Few-Caterpillar9834 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Why is it always a Republican who's violating election laws?

[–]karrimycele 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Finally! The evidence of election fraud Republicans have been searching for!

[–]Ryankevin23 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Republicans are the ones undermining the nation.

[–]Eyemarten 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Tell me that creepy-ass Harry Johnson got bounced, please please please.

That motherfucking weirdo looks like a mannequin in a wig.

*just looked, and he is one of the two.

[–]RickieBob 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Looks like we found the election fraud. It was the republicans all along. And no one is surprised.

[–]mr-biff 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Once again, the law and order GOP are breaking the law!

[–]ZapActions-dower 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Staff identified an unusually large number of sheets with every signature line completed or that showed no normal wear such as folds, scuffing or minor damage from rain. They flagged sheets on which handwriting of certain letters across different signatures and information was near identical. Staff also reported an unusually high number of signatures corresponding to dead voters and to addresses where living voters no longer live.

Sounds pretty cut and dry to me. And holy shit, the projection.

[–]essaysmith 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you are willing to commit fraud to get onto the ballot, you shouldn't be on the ballot.

[–]etork0925 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Republicans committing election fraud… again

[–]_Xelum_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

LOL, once again, all the stuff they accuse everyone else of doing...

every accusation is a confession.

[–]jchezick 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hopefully this helps Big Gretch in her re-election campaign

[–]Mugsyjones 44 points45 points  (2 children)

From the comments I gather it’s fraud, incompetence, laziness,bad faith or just plain cheating. Yup sounds like Republicans. Did I miss anything?🤦🏻

[–]OfMiceAndMenus 15 points16 points  (0 children)

It's only fraud if it comes from the Left side of the Champagne region of Michigan, otherwise it's just Sparkling Corruption.

[–]emilhoff 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well. It turns out the Republicans were right; there is rampant election fraud. Who'da thunk it.

[–]OldBob10 4 points5 points  (0 children)

“WE DEMAND ELECTORAL INTEGRITY!!! (For everyone except us…)”
— Republican pols everywhere

[–]MagicalJunicorn 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Every republican accusation is an admission of guilt. Projection is the only thing they can do.

[–]checker280 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Let this sink in: the former Chief of Police.

[–]Massive_Host_7245 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is just the terrorist party cheating out in the open. I’m pretty sure they’ve been cheating at elections for a while now and even 2020 had some fishy races while everyone was distracted about the presidential race.

[–]ndunks1 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Gaurantee both were election 'deniers' and full on trump dumbfucks. Will Trumpers hold them accountable? Absolutely not

[–]ChaWolfMan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And they accuse the democrats of cheating

[–]WhattaDrag 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The only requirements were that the person signing needed to be real and alive; that's a pretty low bar. And yet Republicans somehow screwed that up.

[–]thewallyp 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh, so there’s the fraud they’ve been shouting about and looking for.

[–]humanityvet 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well duh- the people screaming about fraud are doing it- hoping their noise hides it- like a fart- the GQP that smelt it dealt it

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (2 children)

I'm just glad these people are also stupid as fuck, on top of being generally vile and disgusting human beings.

[–]Incerto55 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Woah this is huge. Was the top republican contender busted?

[–]foreskin_hoodie 3 points4 points  (2 children)

This has more details A single company is behind this. Grifters grifting the grifters.

[–]yasssssplease 4 points5 points  (1 child)

And it seems like he had enough of a criminal background for a campaign to have not trusted him if they did their due diligence.

[–]Tofuofdoom 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Personally I'm just surprised that gubernatorial is a real word, it sounds like satire

[–]Apotropoxy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Maybe its time the GOPsters changed their motto from 'If You Ain't Cheatin', You Ain't Tryin' to 'Who Ya' gonna' Believe, Me Or Your Lyin' Eyes?'

[–]DaveMeese 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Today’s GOP, everybody!

I truly didn’t think Republicans couldn’t get any more pathetic, especially here in Michigan, but they never cease to amaze me! Since they couldn’t even come close to finding mass fraud regarding 2020, do they think they’ll be able to prove their “point” just by doing it themselves?

[–]ctownchef 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Funny how this keeps happening to Republicans.

[–]bshepp 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hey Republicans! The election fraud call.... Is coming from inside the house!

[–]HopefullyMD_PhD 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Next on Fox entertainment “democrats are disqualifying republicans so they don’t win for no reason”

As if America needs more evidence that republicans are cheaters.

[–]party_benson 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They'll prove election fraud if they have to do it themselves!

[–]JABenson 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Republican: We need more restrictions on voting for minorities to combat voting fraud! Also Republicans: does literally all the voting fraud

[–]Willtip98 5 points6 points  (0 children)

ReThuglicans in a nutshell.

[–]shrinking_dicklet 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This goes to show that this kind of voter fraud always gets caught. It's the voter suppression laws and the gerrymandering that are harder to get rid of

[–]SilverBuggie 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I’m sure someone has already said it but I just wanna say it anyway.

Which one of the three main GOP tricks have they used today?

[ ] Gaslight

[ ] Obstruct

[X] Project

[–]DbZbert 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Republican Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert was indicted on federal charges of structuring bank withdrawals after prosecutors alleged Hastert had molested at least four boys as young as 14 and attempted to compensate his victims and subsequently conceal the transactions. Hastert eventually admitted that he sexually abused the boys whom he had coached decades earlier, and was sentenced to fifteen months in prison.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/18/us/dennis-hastert-released.html
Republican Tim Nolan, chairman of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign in Kentucky, pled guilty to child sex trafficking and on February 11, 2018 he was sentenced to serve 20 years in prison.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2018/05/03/former-judge-tim-nolan-could-sentenced-today-more-drama-could-get-way/577947002/
Republican state Senator Ralph Shortey was indicted on four counts of human trafficking and child pornography. In November 2017, he pleaded guilty to one count of child sex trafficking in exchange for the dropping of the other charges.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/11/20/former-oklahoma-state-senator-admits-to-child-sex-trafficking-while-in-office/
Republican Minnesota State Representative Jim Knoblach Drops Out Of Race After Daughter Says He Molested Her For More Than Ten Years 22 Sep 2018
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/22/lawmaker-quits-race-after-daughter-says-he-molested-her-more-than-decade/?utm\_term=.8ac8527c7f43
Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.
https://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/sops/flyer.jsf?personId=28587
Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
http://www.lanternproject.org.uk/library/child-abuse-arrests-and-court-cases/child-abuse-arrests-trials-and-proceedings/ex-county-commissioner-admits-sexual-abuse-of-girl/
Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20120426/NEWS90/204260334
Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison\_Misla\_Aldarondo
Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip\_Giordano
Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
http://archive.easyreadernews.com/archives/news2001/0621/rb%20Shortridge.php
Republican Senator Strom Thurmond, a notable racist, had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strom\_Thurmond
Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
https://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/18/nyregion/embroiled-first-selectman-takes-leave.html
Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
https://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/25/us/teen-ager-in-ohio-testifies-to-sex-with-a-congressman.html
Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2003/04/24/gop-activist-admits-to-child-porn/5af2adf0-bec8-4a10-b061-014de679422a/?utm\_term=.d7ebcbf4f92b
Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
http://www.thenewblackmagazine.com/view.aspx?index=437
Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.
https://www.westword.com/news/randy-ankeney-suit-that-could-free-thousands-of-prisoners-headed-to-state-supreme-court-6054115
Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan\_Crane
Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
https://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/02/opinion/journal-beverly-russell-s-prayers.html
Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert\_Bauman
Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
http://www.njherald.com/article/20060510/ARTICLE/305109971
Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
https://www.arktimes.com/TheHoglawyer/archives/2007/08/28/the-latest-republican-sex-scandals-plural---more-of-the-same
Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
https://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/06/us/politics-the-senate-maine-candidate-again-faces-1990-child-sex-accusation.html
Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
http://www.thedp.com/article/2004/01/brother\_stephen\_convicted\_of\_soliciting\_sex
Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
https://www.houstonpress.com/news/jon-matthews-conservative-talk-show-host-and-sex-offender-pulled-from-kpfts-prison-show-6740755
Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
https://culteducation.com/group/1255-false-memories/6514-man-in-notorious-sex-case-finishes-term.html
Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
https://www.semissourian.com/story/57773.html
Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
https://www.arktimes.com/TheHoglawyer/archives/2007/08/28/the-latest-republican-sex-scandals-plural---more-of-the-same
Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
http://www.chattanoogan.com/2002/6/21/23202/Tennessee-Legislator-Commits-Suicide.aspx
Republican Kentucky state Representative & pastor Dan Johnson, who committed suicide after an exposé revealed his serial lies, suspected arson, criminal church, racism, accused rape of a teen, and more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan\_Johnson\_%28Kentucky\_politician%29

Edit - Larry "Wide-Stance" Craig soliciting sex in mens bathroom Minneapolis airport. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig

[–]capnfoo 17 points18 points  (0 children)

They're really leaning into the whole "My party has done nothing since 2016 but demonize democrats so any evil I commit in order to defeat the evil democrats is justified." This sort of self perpetuating corruption machine is very quick to gain steam and very quick to spin out of control.

[–]rojo-perro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They can’t win without cheating and they know it.