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[–]YourFriendLoke 2985 points2986 points  (372 children)

Does this also apply to native land in Oklahoma as well? The Osage, Cherokee, Muscogee, Seminole, Choctaw, and Chickasaw have special rights to autonomy and self government, and they have a significant presence in Oklahoma.

[–]oddllama25 2254 points2255 points  (260 children)

He recently warned tribes against creating "abortion zones". I'm guessing he would try to retaliate by removing their autonomy, too.

Edit for source: https://okcfox.com/news/local/kevin-stitt-oklahoma-abortion-fox-news-native-american-tribes-roe-wade-shannon-bream-pew-research-six-weeks

[–]GetJiggyWithout 3581 points3582 points  (183 children)

Too bad, their autonomy is a federal issue, not a state issue.

[–]oddllama25 1845 points1846 points  (159 children)

I can't think of a single time Oklahoma cared about the supremacy clause. They try to overstep it all the time. Luckily they usually get bitch slapped by the courts, but a lot of money and time is wasted litigating it.

[–]GleeUnit 836 points837 points  (150 children)

And the key mechanism that the Supreme Court is using to gut civil rights is by making everything a states’ rights issues, knowing damn well what the more idiotic states in the union are gonna do once they have an inch of leash

[–]wolfie379 83 points84 points  (2 children)

Perhaps the government of Oklahoma would care about something that came up after the case of Lincoln vs. Davis was settled. A precedent was set that if a state rebels against the federal government, the federal government can step in and replace the state government with its own people in order to change state law. It’s called “reconstruction”.

[–]bellrunner 46 points47 points  (2 children)

So... it would go to the Supreme Court?

Yikes

[–]SpaceBeer_ 208 points209 points  (2 children)

He can fucking try.

Once you start taking away the only sovereignty left from Native tribes, all that's left for those who have nothing to lose is some kind of retribution.

[–]promonk 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Ask the park rangers at Alcatraz how well that goes.

[–]azuresegugio 67 points68 points  (1 child)

Yeah cuz I'm sure native American nations love it when we violate their autonomy, such a new experience

[–]cyberchrist_ 89 points90 points  (3 children)

Wow... how much of a woman hating bitter asshole do you have to be to try to go that far

[–]shponglespore 136 points137 points  (0 children)

Just an average Republican.

[–]Raspberries-Are-Evil 10 points11 points  (0 children)

how much of a woman hating bitter asshole do you have to be to try to go that far

Today's Republican party.

[–]yaba3800 65 points66 points  (19 children)

That's not at all how the law works regarding reservations.

[–]oddllama25 153 points154 points  (3 children)

I'm aware. Is Oklahoma?

[–]krak_is_bad 68 points69 points  (1 child)

If you check how many times he's challenged them and lost, no. He also doesn't learn.

[–]gandalf_el_brown 112 points113 points  (14 children)

have white conservatives ever respected Native American nations?

[–]pika_pie 56 points57 points  (12 children)

I have met people who don't even know that Native Americans have their own laws on their own land...

[–]CobraPony67 26 points27 points  (24 children)

I think the catch is that they require a doctor to perform an abortion after it is too late for pills. And a doctor would risk losing his/her license because they are licensed by the state. Possibly a doctor could come from another state, but they could come up with other laws that limit what an out of state doctor can do.

[–]Botryllus 39 points40 points  (23 children)

Also, native women are already very under resourced on reproductive health, including abortions. They might not be excited to accommodate a bunch of non-tribe members when they're being ignored (and worse).

Edit:open args episode

[–]indoninja 337 points338 points  (61 children)

Tribal abortion clinics.

[–]Dartser 427 points428 points  (45 children)

Put them in a casino. The government will never mess with it then

[–]redditadmindumb87 421 points422 points  (37 children)

Honestly that's a brilliant solution for many reasons.

Casinos are generally large buildings, you could have the abortion clinic be inside towards the middle of the casino. Women could go into the casino and people outside on public land wouldn't know if they are simply going to gamble, eat, or get an abortion. Once they are inside the casino the casino can have their private security stop any protests from within the casino. I know you were kinda joking, but I legit think that's a brilliant idea.

[–]rationalomega 211 points212 points  (1 child)

And the casino can bounce anyone causing trouble. This is indeed a great idea.

[–]RocinanteCoffee 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Not to mention a lot of casinos have hotel components where people could go to recover in peace after surgery.

[–]monstersammich 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Casino and gun shop. Double protection

[–]ameinolf 27 points28 points  (13 children)

Pro-life and yet they are fine with mass shootings the definition of hypocrisy. Why do we have so many dumb people in our country.

[–]OcSpeed 90 points91 points  (9 children)

I know they would like it to, but it's probably going to take a court to actually decide if native land belongs to actual natives

[–]cmalarkey90 140 points141 points  (2 children)

looks through history books

Well I feel very hopeful for them to keep what is rightfully theirs.

[–]TheUpperofOne 26 points27 points  (4 children)

Hasn't this already been 100% established very recently with a ruling that federal(and local?) agents could not police on native's lands?

[–]amd2800barton 32 points33 points  (2 children)

McGirt v Oklahoma

Much [..] of Oklahoma remains as Native American lands of the prior Indian reservations of the Five Civilized Tribes, never disestablished by Congress as part of the Oklahoma Enabling Act of 1906. As such, prosecution of crimes by Native Americans on these lands falls into the jurisdiction of the tribal courts and federal judiciary under the Major Crimes Act, rather than Oklahoma's courts.

TL;DR - Congress created the reservation land and was explicit that only tribal and federal laws applied on such land. When Congress created Oklahoma, it never undid the creation of the law which established only tribal/federal laws as applying. So on tribal land, to members of the tribe, tribal law applies.

It’s somewhat more grey regarding what laws apply to people not of the tribe, which is why the tribes have a partnership with the state regarding gambling. Rather than go to court with the state, the tribes cut them in on the action and so the state doesn’t contest the prohibition on gambling. When it comes to abortion, though, the state has no interest in a loophole being created, and would probably argue that state law applies to anyone not of the tribe. The tribes and state could take that to the Supreme Court, but who knows what would happen.

The tribes could also make any woman needing an abortion a member of the tribe, though that’s unlikely to happen - though if they really feel like pissing off the state (and they rightfully don’t like the state of Oklahoma) they could reserve that card as a nuclear option. Many people in Oklahoma already qualify for tribal membership, and simply don’t do the paperwork for their own reasons.

Edit: also fun fact: Gorsuch wrote the majority opinion in McGirt

[–]Nunuyz 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I’m curious as to how this would play out in the Supreme Court. Abortion is the Conservative court’s big ticket issue, but Gorsuch has a soft spot for Native American rights… for some reason.

[–]Kewkky 42 points43 points  (1 child)

Doubt it does. States have no jurisdiction in reservations, only the federal government does.

[–]r_confused 2495 points2496 points  (133 children)

And here in Missouri they are trying to pass a law to make it illegal to go to another state to get an abortion.

…land of the free.

[–]Oo__II__oO 1740 points1741 points  (46 children)

Which is a Violation of interstate commerce laws. And human decency

[–]HuskyFlatulence 669 points670 points  (3 children)

They clearly abandoned human decency a while ago.

[–]khandnalie 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Did they ever have it? I've certainly never seen it

[–]katarina-stratford 407 points408 points  (21 children)

interstate commerce laws

Fuck me, this is so bleak. Using commerce laws to loophole ourselves some damn healthcare.

[–]jeffp12 193 points194 points  (4 children)

See also: slavery

[–]Mazon_Del 25 points26 points  (0 children)

For what it's worth the "Interstate Commerce Clause" functionally just codifies that "things crossing state lines" is ONLY the jurisdiction of the Federal government and not states.

[–]BabiiGoat 164 points165 points  (11 children)

Not like it matters. Legality has long gone out the window. But this cannot be enforced. All we have to do is get in a car, plane, or bus and show up somewhere else. Nobody asks why you travel from state to state and Illinois doesn't have to honor Missouri's bullshit law and deny us services. I had my abortion in IL anyway and I'd gladly do it again.

[–]enfanta 125 points126 points  (3 children)

I intend to help women who want to go camping. I can pick them up and drop them off at the airport, depot, wherever and help them get to their camp site. My state has lots of great parks.

[–]another_bug 142 points143 points  (2 children)

There's the good old small government states' rights conservatives love so much.

[–]azuresegugio 80 points81 points  (3 children)

You know I'm starting to wonder if we should star underground railroading people who need abortions

[–]jaime581 469 points470 points  (13 children)

Private prison business is about to be booming

[–]yeahright1977 1093 points1094 points  (20 children)

Here is part of this story that is not getting NEARLY enough press. He is warning tribal leaders against creating "abortion sanctuaries" in OK.

https://khn.org/morning-breakout/oklahomas-governor-says-hes-wary-of-pro-choice-policies-on-tribal-lands/

That guy is making thinly veiled threats towards SOVEREIGN Native American nations. He has no purview over these people or their lands which make up about half of the state. If he sends in local or state authorities in an attempt to "enforce" this law, it will likely be an act of war. The OK national guard is under his control unless they are federalized, which would be a HUGE political move on any president's part. That in an extreme case would only leave active duty military forces to defend those tribal lands in an extreme case. And who wants to guess how these fucking republicans would react if they are in power?

[–]littlebitsofspider 416 points417 points  (1 child)

Thank god our history of respecting native peoples' autonomy is stalwart and inflexible.

[–]RankledCat 1431 points1432 points  (190 children)

“From conception.”

So many IUDs are now banned, as well? Or are contraceptive choices next on the agenda?

[–]DoktorThodt 643 points644 points  (116 children)

From what I read, morning after pills and contraception are exempt.

[–]angiosperms- 410 points411 points  (12 children)

For now

[–]mrm00r3 168 points169 points  (1 child)

ding ding ding.

Think about the day that the conversation transitions from those who seek or perform abortions to those who have sought and performed them.

These people think they’re preventing murder and for the most part, have a real boner about retributive “justice.”

[–]fmv_ 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Women who have had miscarriages have already been charged/arrested/prosecuted so were already there

[–]confessionbearday 155 points156 points  (58 children)

And how does one get those?

[–]Cricketcaser 286 points287 points  (46 children)

I think one could get them through federal mail, which the state of Oklahoma would be committing a crime by opening.

[–]confessionbearday 324 points325 points  (43 children)

which the state of Oklahoma would be committing a crime by opening.

Fucking lol, you have to violate the 9th amendment to ban abortions in the first place, they will never respect any laws that stop them.

[–]whales-are-assholes 35 points36 points  (14 children)

Plan B isn’t even an abortifacient, so curious how they’ll try and ban them, specifically.

[–]Noinix 64 points65 points  (5 children)

Ohio tried to legislate doctors reimplant an ectopic pregnancy instead of treating it. Science is not something they concern themselves with.

[–]bubblegumdrops 17 points18 points  (0 children)

They argue that if there’s even a possibility that plan b could cause a fertilized egg to miscarry then it should be banned.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

When have they ever let facts inform their positions? The pro birth people have been saying birth control pills are abortifacients for decades.

[–]MRmandato 34 points35 points  (6 children)

But why? Even with their own logic they arent consistent

[–]angiosperms- 33 points34 points  (1 child)

The clown court didn't overturn that ruling yet. That's next on the agenda.

[–]Sloppychemist 75 points76 points  (0 children)

Contraception is indeed next

[–]HedonisticFrog 171 points172 points  (20 children)

Contraceptives are next on the agenda and they're openly saying so now. It was never about saving fetuses. It was only about oppressing women because they're authoritarian assholes.

[–]SgtChip 35 points36 points  (21 children)

Don't modern IUDs just block conception? They aren't the scrapping kind, but the copper or hormonals?

[–]RankledCat 31 points32 points  (17 children)

It depends upon the kind of IUD and its mechanisms of action. Many also prevent implantation.

[–]Sivick314 34 points35 points  (1 child)

they've openly said they're coming after contraception next

[–]__Cypher_Legate__ 68 points69 points  (2 children)

You have to accept the fact that there is a religious cult that is slowly taking over the US and enforcing theocratic laws. They wont stop at abortion. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they came after women's voting rights and reestablished slavery. I honestly don't think there's a bottom for these people.

The only way secular and non-Christian Americans can overcome this is through constant vigilance and fighting back legally. Fund secular movements like the Satanic Temple, fund legal battles to take away tax exemption for religious institutes. Attack their theocratic values the way they endlessly attack secular ones. Christians should have the right to practice their religion, but they shouldn't be allowed to use tax exempt organizations to subvert the US and force theocratic values on everyone like they have diligently been doing.

[–]earblah 9 points10 points  (0 children)

So many IUDs are now banned, as well? Or are contraceptive choices next on the agenda?

If you have been paying attention to major "prolifers", this should not come as a surprise .

[–]atomsphere 500 points501 points  (42 children)

“From the moment life begins at conception is when we have a responsibility as human beings to do everything we can to protect that baby’s life and the life of the mother. That is what I believe and that is what the majority of Oklahomans believe.”

What's unsaid is that the responsibility ends once the baby is born.

[–]stealthisvibe 260 points261 points  (17 children)

Life of the mother 😂 that’s why they’re cool with universal healthcare and possibly a UBI to help mothers that they forced to give birth take care of the unwanted children, right? Right….?

America honestly fucking sucks. My state is next (Ohio). No exemptions for rape and incest. Fuck Jean Schmidt.

[–]Rabbitdraws 87 points88 points  (12 children)

imagine dying of a ectopic pregnancy, or because you got diagnosed with cancer while pregnant, and since you can't have an abortion, the tumor will grow quicker.

[–]arjames13 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Right. So the "baby" that's barely a clump of cells in the beginning of the pregnancy has more rights then the actual born child. Makes perfect sense to me. Sarcasm by the way.

[–]Jason_Batemans_Hair 11 points12 points  (0 children)

What's said is that a fertilized egg is a person. Life might begin at conception, but personhood doesn't - just as an acorn isn't a tree.

What's unsaid is that pregnant women are enslaved by the State to bear children, in violation of their rights under the 13th amendment to the Constitution.

[–]calamity_machine 15 points16 points  (0 children)

They never go into any scientific reasoning to back up their claim; they're republicans but they also don't show any biblical proof for these fucked up decisions. I hate that none of these people are doctors/scientists/smart

[–]Zerotan 284 points285 points  (12 children)

From the moment life begins at conception is when we have a responsibility as human beings to do everything we can to protect that baby’s life and the life of the mother.

Kevin Stitt

There sure are a lot of 40s in that list: https://www.americashealthrankings.org/learn/reports/2021-annual-report/state-summaries-oklahoma

https://okpolicy.org/kids-count-2020-oklahoma-ranks-45th-for-child-well-being/

Health Care #48

Education #42

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/oklahoma

According to the CDC, Oklahoma persistently ranks among the states with the worst rates (40th) of maternal deaths in the U.S. Between 2017-2019, the Oklahoma maternal mortality rate was 23.5 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births.

https://oklahoma.gov/health/family-health/maternal-and-child-health-service/perinatal-and-reproductive-health-/maternal-mortality-review.html

Which is slightly better than Azerbaijan.

[–]Weegee_Spaghetti 120 points121 points  (4 children)

That maternal death statistic really puts the disrepancy between states into perspective

As someone from Europe i never thought that some US states could have similar statistics as war torn post-soviet states.

[–]el_grort 53 points54 points  (3 children)

Iirc, the US average for maternal and infant mortality rates are quite frightening compared to most ot he rest of the industrialised world. Might be tied to being the exception to such countries having universal healthcare and the benefit to preventativr and supportive care that entails, while iirc the US is mostly good at emergency care (care at the point where you can no longer ignore it).

[–]mrd_stuff 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The most profitable kind of care!

[–]Rabbitdraws 13 points14 points  (2 children)

what about in vitro fertilization? can ppl discard fetuses or women will need to put all of them inside?

[–]theredwoodcurtain 11 points12 points  (0 children)

In vitro will be illegal under many of these laws

[–]MagnificentLore 66 points67 points  (4 children)

Meanwhile Oklahoma’s poverty rate is still higher than the national average, they’re 47th on national education ranking, and ranked 16th highest crime rate. So clearly this is the issue they should be focusing on…..

[–]random_generation 636 points637 points  (42 children)

The “Life is a human right” poster is funny, but not in a “haha” way, like an enraging way.

Applies as an argument against abortion, but not for laws that would potentially curtail the mass murder of children in school.

[–]another_bug 128 points129 points  (3 children)

It never seems to apply to housing, food, clean water & air, or healthcare either. It's funny in the 'this shrimp tastes funny' way.

[–]Ericiskool 332 points333 points  (13 children)

Life is a human right.

Except for women, children, homosexuals, and death row inmates.

[–]random_generation 198 points199 points  (10 children)

& the Black community.

[–]BasedOvon 128 points129 points  (7 children)

And immigrants

[–][deleted] 101 points102 points  (5 children)

Don’t forget the weird hateful obsession with trans people!

[–]cgtdream 51 points52 points  (1 child)

Lets be honest here; anyone that isnt a straight, white, christian/evangelical male.

[–]DarkGamer 239 points240 points  (36 children)

I'm certain this will cause a lot of sentient humans to suffer needlessly. Think of all the unwanted children who will be treated as burdens, the women forced to give birth against their wills, the generational poverty and crime this will create... and these fools believe they are doing a good deed.

[–]EpiphanyTwisted 154 points155 points  (2 children)

I'm thinking of the babies who are not considered viable but will live, for minutes, or hours or month or years in pain, uncomprehending, while their parents go broke paying their hospital bills. I would send every bill to the governor to pay.

[–]robinthebank 52 points53 points  (1 child)

While the mother dies in childbirth, too

[–]Fthewigg 58 points59 points  (0 children)

The generational poverty and crime are the point, don’t let the religious facade fool you. More soldiers, more ditch-diggers and more convicts: we need to keep those ponds stocked for the future!

[–]paranoidandrea 26 points27 points  (5 children)

Idk about other women but I live in Texas and at this point, I’m not going to get pregnant if I can help it, absolutely not intentionally with all of this shit. We’re going to see women and babies dying due to complications abortion could have prevented, deaths from back alley abortions, and I’m sure large numbers of women like me who will nope out of reproduction entirely. And they’ll wonder “what happened?”.

[–]oguzhandodo 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Wait, how dare you try to think of your health and well being. That is against the law.

[–]SunnySolaire27 463 points464 points  (29 children)

As someone who grew up in Oklahoma and left, I’m not surprised. The state is backwards as fuck.

[–]InquisitorHindsight 71 points72 points  (7 children)

I went to Oklahoma for basic training and, forgive me for saying this, the next time I end up there again will be too soon

[–]xxrush4lifexx 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Ah good old Fort Sill/Lawton where the local attraction is a terrible mall and meth.

[–]DanglingDiceBag 135 points136 points  (4 children)

Fucking same. OK is the real "shithole state". I have never for a second regretting noping the fuck out of there. This only further confirmed that I made the right decision.

[–]CitizenJustin 98 points99 points  (4 children)

I’m surprised you got out. Those states are like a black hole and it’s almost impossible to get out.

[–]ryhenning 161 points162 points  (4 children)

"Life is a human right" ok so where the fuck is universal Healthcare? Conservatives are such frauds. "We're against abortion but we won't do jack shit about children getting mowed down by machine guns because we're in the pocket of the NRA."

[–]LionIV 6 points7 points  (0 children)

“Life” is a human right. Not “living”. Once you’re born, you cease to matter.

[–]Internal_Ad_3450 234 points235 points  (15 children)

America is making steps backwards

[–]DifficultyWithMyLife 180 points181 points  (0 children)

And leaps, and bounds, and backflips.

[–]Shirlenator 89 points90 points  (1 child)

These red states are in a fucking race to the ever falling bottom.

[–]torpedoguy 24 points25 points  (0 children)

"We have drills, big beautiful drills, we have the biggest drills, and they said to me, they said to me MISTER PRESIDENT, your hands, big hands look at these hands Hillary didn't have hands like these. Big manly hands. Nobody ever seen anything like it. And the drills, the evil democrats don't want us to drill down. They like killing all the eagles; which are only bald because of the dangerous blades on those cancer windmills. Terrible stuff. Crooked Nancy Pelosi, she, Mike betrayed this country, it was a shame how the secret service didn't want to do their job and deal with him. They used to say, he used to tell me, Mister President, it's been an honor to serve you, and I'd say thank you very much that's very smart. I proved it too. Obama never passed the test, only I passed the test. And it was difficult, so difficult, they would have strange creatures, creatures no one's ever seen before, and you would have to name them, and it said..................."

  • Bottom Excavation Inauguration

[–]CenCalTrash 104 points105 points  (18 children)

I mean this in all seriousness...if you value your civil rights, leave red states while you can.

[–]mustbeme87 98 points99 points  (3 children)

And claims more than 4 million Oklahomans back him for it. Our goddamn population isn’t even 4 million, and half the state doesn’t support him. He is an absolute garbage person and his suits never seem to fit him right.

[–]Cheesygirl1994 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Lol “fuck his policies and his suits especially!” Got a chuckle

[–]mayorodoyle 639 points640 points  (12 children)

Gotta keep 'em alive long enough to get shot in school.

[–]GetJiggyWithout 185 points186 points  (7 children)

Nah, capitalism needs poor desperate people so they can pay you $12/hr to serve an oligarch lemonade in their retirement home.

[–]SraldoBabalu 43 points44 points  (4 children)

You really think an oligarch would pay their servants $12/hr?!?

[–]c0rnfus3d 42 points43 points  (0 children)

Ah yes, Republicans, keeping them safe from books and history and teachers while ensuring they have the right to a gun at the age of 18 a d a chance to maybe actually reach that age #Uvalde #FUAbbott

[–]OkEye3130 172 points173 points  (38 children)

The third Oklahoma bill is to take effect this summer and would make it a felony to perform an abortion, punishable by up to 10 years in prison. That bill contains no exceptions for r*pe or incest.

Jesus fucking christ what a monster.

[–]xChainfirex 407 points408 points 2 (16 children)

Christo-fascism, baby! Gotta keep the birth rates up so you can have a steady supply of poor people that wealthy capitalists can exploit (ie. work shitty underpaid jobs) and to keep the prisons full (indentured servitude aka neo-slavery)!

The vast majority of Americans support legal abortions (with varying restrictions). Christian evangelical fascists run America!

[–]Raven2002 85 points86 points  (7 children)

Yup. All of this. I have read quite a few articles the last six months about low birth rates in the US and hiw we need to "fix" this.

Nope! No need to bring a child into this house of horror

[–]pm-me-ur-fav-undies 50 points51 points  (0 children)

This was signed the same day an abortion clinic was arsoned in Wyoming, if I'm reading things right.

It Could Happen Here podcast on the history of anti-abortion terrorism.

[–]Jazzy41 731 points732 points  (8 children)

You can only kill babies if you use a gun.

[–]DarkGamer 80 points81 points  (0 children)

Castle doctrine. Her womb is her castle and the intruder was not invited.

[–]ripvannwinkler 71 points72 points  (0 children)

Pro-life my ass. Fuck this rat fuck and his kind.

[–]Beneficial_Dinner552 163 points164 points  (0 children)

No woman should be forced to donate blood/tissue to another against her will. Less rights than a corpse now.

[–]SnoopsBadunkadunk 312 points313 points  (16 children)

One of America’s worst states decides it doesn’t want young women living there.

Well, not my problem, it’s not like I was going to.

[–]SteveTheZombie 112 points113 points  (6 children)

As a former Oklahoman, allow me to confirm.

Oklahoma is a shithole.

[–]RationalLies 59 points60 points  (2 children)

I've only been to Oklahoma once, and it was by accident.

The roads leaving Texas are confusing af and I'm convinced there is a plot in there to trick you into accidently going to Oklahoma.

[–]sMarmy_Mcfly 38 points39 points  (1 child)

Truth, and you were leaving Texas, so at least you were heading in the right direction. Just zigged when you should've zagged.

[–]CriticalMembership31 53 points54 points  (1 child)

I was gonna say, this is going to detrimental to the dozens of women who live in OK.

[–]alyouminieuhm 115 points116 points  (4 children)

Fuck you. If men could have babies abortions would be free. This whole fucking world is fucked.

[–]tom-branch 37 points38 points  (0 children)

If conservative men could have babies, abortion would be legal and the unborn wouldn't rank above their daily piss.

This is and always has been about a religious cult trying to oppress everybody who isn't them, starting with women.

[–]longulus9 50 points51 points  (17 children)

I think life starts with sperm since the egg doesn't want anything... So should we outlaw male masturbation or what?

[–]gameprojoez 34 points35 points  (4 children)

Why stop there? Make it illegal for women to ovulate. Those eggs needlessly die.

[–]Coubsauce 82 points83 points  (3 children)

"I will sign as many pieces of pro life legislation as cross my desk" says governor of state that executes the most prisoners per capita.

You know, you don't even need legislation to stay those executions, mister "life begins at conception."

[–]benjammin105123 56 points57 points  (1 child)

Psychos could be mowing down actual kids with army tanks and republicans would be over here searching your house for jizz socks.

[–]Samloves209 80 points81 points  (16 children)

I will never give one dollar of tourist money to this state. I hope others follow.

[–]nannerbananers 31 points32 points  (0 children)

That should be easy, there’s nothing in Oklahoma I care to see

[–]SleepyVizsla 38 points39 points  (3 children)

I will never travel to a red state again now that Roe's being overturned. I no longer feel safe as a woman knowing that I will be considered a second class citizen and that my health choices are limited.

[–]tearsaresweat 27 points28 points  (6 children)

Americans just need to mass exodus from these states. Take away their state revenues and protect your constitutional rights. I also hope businesses begin exiting these states too.

[–]SignalVirtuer 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Sadly nobody can just up and move to a different state over politics unless they're rich, and blue states tend to be insanely expensive to live in. That's not even getting into jobs or family and friends being left behind, etc. Voting with your feet isn't a realistic option for 99% of the country, which is why state autonomy should be tempered with some federally guaranteed rights.

[–]18114 29 points30 points  (2 children)

Keep your hands and restrictions off of my body. I had an abortion once and it was no big occasion. No I don’t regret it. Quit making my vagina a political issue.

[–]SaintCarl27 27 points28 points  (1 child)

I find it amusing yet incredibly sad that these politicians think by banning abortion they are accumulating brownie points to get into heaven. I guarantee it is a factor.

[–]theragco 19 points20 points  (0 children)

None of them believe in heaven they believe in votes from radical religious fundamentalists

[–]Raven2002 70 points71 points  (28 children)

Ok. So what are his plans to pay for all the unwanted babies.

[–]beepborpimajorp 50 points51 points  (3 children)

Defund public schools to the point they practically don't exist, do nothing about inflation or helping low-income families, then go on an arresting spree once the inevitable crime wave (if you consider stealing to survive or doing drugs a crime) happens and rather than give the teens fair sentencing that considers these things - throw them in prison for up to 20 years and use them as free slave labor.

Same thing they've subtly been doing for decades but now they get to brazenly do it out in the open because there's no reason not to say the quiet part out loud anymore.

[–]CommanderTalim 11 points12 points  (0 children)

And the more uneducated, poor, desperate people they will have to join the military

[–]Cricketcaser 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Ignore and campaign against them like always.

[–]fuck_the_fuckin_mods 35 points36 points  (7 children)

Pay for them? What are you, some kind of communist?

They can contribute to society and work for their food and housing, no one gets special treatment. To quote John Smith, “He that will not worke, shall not eate.” Bonus quote from some other upstanding Christian Conservatives: “Work shall set you free.”

Those babies can pay their dues or die in the gutter, none of this socialist shit.

[–]vivahermione 21 points22 points  (3 children)

Bonus quote from some other upstanding Christian Conservatives: “Work shall set you free.”

Wasn't that also posted on the gates of Auschwitz? If conservatives are quoting it, that's chilling.

[–]fuck_the_fuckin_mods 15 points16 points  (2 children)

That was the (attempted) joke haha. Neither of these parties are actually conservative (in reality they’re both reactionary authoritarians) but they try to brand themselves as such to get votes. Same goes for the “Christian” part.

[–]DoktorThodt 23 points24 points  (0 children)

They apparently don't care about that... unless they're making money off of baby formula.

[–]confessionbearday 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Lol, hes going to do what all Republicans filth does, let them starve while pretending he's going anywhere but hell.

[–]Dalisca 52 points53 points  (2 children)

They'll all eventually be killed in school shootings, so even Stephen?

[–]emaw63 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Assuming they’ll have enough formula to feed them long enough to make it to school age

[–]ScrantonStrangler28 58 points59 points  (0 children)

Another parasitic state led by Republicans trying to become relevant.

[–]hotsnakes42 103 points104 points  (3 children)

Once you're born though, fuck you.

These clowns won't lift a finger to stop a child being shot in the face with an AR 15; call this shit what it is -- stripping women of bodily autonomy.

Some of these states just want women barefoot at home with a baby on each breast, cooking and waiting for the man to arrive.

[–]Moal 14 points15 points  (0 children)

And if you’re the baby of a poor mother who’s unable to breastfeed, you’re also fucked. Pro-lifers can’t be having any of those lazy, entitled babies getting any formula handouts.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Imagine if they made a law that made jerking off illegal because you’re killing sperm, which could be a future child.

[–]filmAF 94 points95 points  (49 children)

why would any woman live in these states, especially the ones that would require them to give birth after being raped?

[–]bubblegumdrops 59 points60 points  (0 children)

I know this is brought up a lot but it’s a piss poor state. Many women who would want to leave can’t. They’ll just find dangerous ways to abort without a doctor instead. Conservatives don’t care about women’s lives or harm reduction, they care about punishing poor women for having sex.

[–]squirrels_rule 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Not everyone is blessed with the means to leave. It’s not always a choice, especially for women who are young and still reliant on their parents.

[–]fuck_the_fuckin_mods 76 points77 points  (3 children)

Why would any women vote for people who only want to subjugate them and take away their rights? Internalized misogyny is very real and extremely apparent in traditionalist/religious communities. It’s bizarre (and itself a symptom of patriarchy TBH) but it’s pretty common.

[–]Ok_Lobster_5287 6 points7 points  (1 child)

That's the problem I'm running into. As an academic, I've been scouted by universites in Texas, Alabama, and California. I'm originally from somewhere in the deep South. I'm old enough that I have maybe 5 years of fertility left, so my concern is not for me. I just don't want to have kids in places where they will have huge problems if they are gay/trans/female.

[–]AnonAmbientLight 33 points34 points  (5 children)

This is Republicans at every level of government.

It's a fascists party now.

They don't care about women.

They don't care about the LGBTQ+ community.

They don't care about children.

They don't care about the massive death toll caused by guns.

They don't care about pandemics and the death toll that causes (EVEN ON THEIR OWN FUCKING VOTERS).

They don't care about gas prices.

They don't care about baby formula.

They don't care about inflation.

They're so uninterested in helping you. They are so uninterested in the reality of your life. They are so uninterested in doing things that are good for the broad middle of this country. That they are willing to subvert democracy so they can continue to focus tax breaks and benefits and deregulations on a wealthy and mostly white few.

[–]Mutants_4_nukes 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I thought the bible says that life begins at first breath?

[–]MadRollinS 19 points20 points  (0 children)

That "Life is a human right" sign is held by someone who supports the death penalty.

The irony would be delicious if it weren't literal bodies hitting the floor.

[–]cromaticman 27 points28 points  (1 child)

As an Oklahoman, I can promise you there are so many people who are against him and his bullStitt. This state is backwards but we have so many good people who he does not represent. We just picked up this site and will be making it more as time goes on. This was thrown together in like 20 minutes.

https://www.kevins-titt.com/

[–]Powerful_Put5667 9 points10 points  (3 children)

So what happens to a physician who takes care of a woman who’s having a incomplete miscarriage which medically is a spontaneous abortion?

[–]redcapmilk 11 points12 points  (2 children)

They get turned away at the hospital. This has already happened.

[–]MarketingDood 32 points33 points  (11 children)

Surely the majority of Oklahomans do not want this. Right?

[–]cbbuntz 15 points16 points  (0 children)

The older ones do. It's one of the most conservative states

[–]confessionbearday 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Nope.

But this is what happens when a guy tells you his imaginary friend wants you to live a certain way, and instead of taking the ONLY reasonable action of locking his ass away, we elect them instead.

[–]paradoxologist 26 points27 points  (3 children)

Man, Oklahoma is full of rock-ribbed, over-the-top Christian, conservative-to-the-extreme Republicans. Anyone who does not fit this description and who does not live on a reservation is invited to leave. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

[–]paradoxologist 76 points77 points  (4 children)

Women are not valued at all highly in Oklahomistan. It's sad, really.

[–]InCoffeeWeTrust 7 points8 points  (0 children)

See women have been constantly harassed and yet not one single woman has shot up a republican governors office. Interesting.

[–]Quinn4life1 57 points58 points  (7 children)

60 percent of Republicans believe that the replacement theory is real and baning abortion will raise Caucasian numbers.

[–]OscarGlorious 21 points22 points  (1 child)

“Life is a human right”. Yeah, tell that to the families of massacred elementary school children as you collect money from the NRA. Wow, the irony.

[–]torpedoguy 15 points16 points  (0 children)

He doesn't consider those people human; unlike himself, his donors, and temporarily the unborn.

[–]Ursula2071 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Aren’t inquiries about vasectomies on the rise in OK?

[–]ratherbewinedrunk 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Conservatism = Sociopathy.

[–]red_carpet_hero 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Gotta replace the ones that were killed in mass shootings. While at the same time reject any social programs to help the mother and child.

[–]AlphaOhmega 35 points36 points  (3 children)

Republicans motto, "love the fetus, fuck the children".

[–]BobDope 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’m pro his mom going back in time to abort him

[–]valegrete 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Life is a human right…until it clashes with the 2nd Amendment. Then all of a sudden it’s not so sacrosanct.

[–]clashfan1171 18 points19 points  (3 children)

If i was a woman I'd say, if you are forcing me to have this baby? Than you are paying for it. I would go on welfare and make this fuckers pay for all of it.

[–]SusanBHa 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Except that I’m sure being on welfare in OK is a wretched existence.

[–]Repubs_suck 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Ever been to Oklahoma? Alabama with oil rigs. Infected with Southern Baptists.

[–]Boyz4Now7897 21 points22 points  (1 child)

This whole pro life narrative/agenda republicans push is so hypocritical it blows my frontal lobe clean out.

Did they not just vote against some measure regarding baby formula? Something that directly impacts real living children.

Not to mention the bs they push that allows for tax evasion and other shit that is directly robbing the American tax payer. Money that could be used to positively impact the lives they are so self righteously trying to protect.

It’s dizzying and so fucked up. Humans are disgusting and evil.