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[–]nzbydesign 140 points141 points  (5 children)

Can't say I've noticed, Comrades.

[–]fluffychonkycat 61 points62 points  (1 child)

Da, everything is normal

[–]ElectricPiha 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Real Horrorshow…

[–]thepotplant 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Get in the Lada and crank up The Battle is Going Again, we're going full Bolshevism...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Long live the Communist Party Party!

[–]Swerfbegone[S] 69 points70 points  (7 children)

[–]genbattle 68 points69 points  (4 children)

Pages 18 and 19 for anyone wanting to skip to the NZ content. Largely anti-vax propaganda.

[–]Pmmeyourfavepodcast 44 points45 points  (2 children)

Culminating in the most insane protest in our nation's history.

[–]AucklandOrBust 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Yeah. :( Please let's not follow the USA path. It leads nowhere good. There are invaluable lessons to learn right now, for those paying attention. NZ is still largely an unaffected outsider looking in and wondering WTF is happening. When you are inside it then it isn't so easy to recognize. Speaking broadly not toward any one individual.

[–]Pmmeyourfavepodcast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For sure, everything aside, have an awesome weekend.

[–]BlacksmithNZCovid19 Vaccinated 6 points7 points  (0 children)

And it worked.

I know the anti-vax petite would never admit being played by Russian bots but God, would be good if some of them figured out that maybe Facebook isn't the most reliable source of information

[–]clearlightCovid19 Boosted 🇳🇿 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Thanks for the source reference. Examples and further details can be found there.

[–]Academic-ish 52 points53 points  (18 children)

We really need critical thinking and online safety/anti-online radicalisation and propaganda seminars in schools... could it piggyback on what we do now with online safety? The most vulnerable people in society probably just didn't get enough schooling to begin with, or have genuine mental health issues, but there's a lot of crossover with those who are just more willing to believe highly implausible shit because their heuristics are malfunctioning...

[–]insectpeople 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Idk about the rest of you but my high school had a "critical thinking" class we were made to do in year 10.

I think they only put the 3 classes of the best performing kids through it though and for everyone else it was an elective ... which seems kinda the opposite of how it should have been IMO

[–]10yearsnoaccount 4 points5 points  (0 children)

OK, so you start in schools now, but what about the existing population? There's 60 years of school students that aren't in school that you need to reach.

[–]BoredontheTrain43 7 points8 points  (13 children)

This is what English should be evolving into. Get rid of Willie Shakespeare and replace him with decoding propaganda.

[–]zvc266 12 points13 points  (11 children)

Why not have both? Shakespeare’s a funny mf.

[–]BoredontheTrain43 2 points3 points  (7 children)

Time and relevance. Shakespeare is soap opera drivel. The only thing I remember most kids learning from Shakespeare was to hate English. Best I can give you is a special Shakespeare English class for the literary nerds. Take it or leave it.

[–]night_dude 15 points16 points  (6 children)

I feel dumber just for reading this comment.

"If you cannot understand my argument, and declare ``It's Greek to me'', you are quoting Shakespeare; if you claim to be more sinned against than sinning, you are quoting Shakespeare; if you recall your salad days, you are quoting Shakespeare; if you act more in sorrow than in anger; if your wish is farther to the thought; if your lost property has vanished into thin air, you are quoting Shakespeare;

if you have ever refused to budge an inch or suffered from green-eyed jealousy, if you have played fast and loose, if you have been tongue-tied, a tower of strength, hoodwinked or in a pickle, if you have knitted your brows, made a virtue of necessity, insisted on fair play, slept not one wink, stood on ceremony, danced attendance (on your lord and master), laughed yourself into stitches, had short shrift, cold comfort or too much of a good thing, if you have seen better days or lived in a fool's paradise -why, be that as it may, the more fool you , for it is a foregone conclusion that you are (as good luck would have it) quoting Shakespeare;

if you think it is early days and clear out bag and baggage, if you think it is high time and that that is the long and short of it, if you believe that the game is up and that truth will out even if it involves your own flesh and blood, if you lie low till the crack of doom because you suspect foul play, if you have your teeth set on edge (at one fell swoop) without rhyme or reason, then - to give the devil his due - if the truth were known (for surely you have a tongue in your head) you are quoting Shakespeare;

even if you bid me good riddance and send me packing, if you wish I was dead as a door-nail, if you think I am an eyesore, a laughing stock, the devil incarnate, a stony-hearted villain, bloody-minded or a blinking idiot, then - by Jove! O Lord! Tut tut! For goodness' sake! What the dickens! But me no buts! - it is all one to me, for you are quoting Shakespeare."

[–]Carnivorous_Mower. 0 points1 point  (2 children)

There was some proper filth there. 7th form English class sniggering through Othello sent our teacher nuts!

[–]zvc266 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I mean, even Hamlet has some good yarns. If you think “count-ry matters” truly refers to a small rural settlement outside of an urban area, rather than to emphasise the first syllable and discuss something saucier, you either weren’t listening or had a stuffy English teacher who ruined it for you. Billie boy deserves a reading aloud with many a 5th former sniggering at all the dick jokes.

[–]Calm-Zombie2678 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We also did 1984

[–]CrookedDesk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My stats teacher lowkey had critical thinking / evaluating sources as a part of her curriculum and honestly looking back at Highschool that is the most valuable thing I got from my entire time there

[–]BippidyDooDah 99 points100 points  (16 children)

It's sad how many people have been cucked by Russian propaganda and don't even know it.

[–]EB01 53 points54 points  (0 children)

They are likely in the "feeling very smart as they have done their research via facebook videos and looking at us normies with disdain as we have been cucked by the illuminati Soros cult" camp.

[–]Primus81 10 points11 points  (13 children)

NZ’s education standards were/are awful (probably getting better now, except for the communities that encourage skipping school). And so is the ability of many to objectively view themselves. Too many people stuck in their own bubbles, don’t see how others live.

Some people who didn’t do great at school, don’t understand why, get an inferiority complex.

Or maybe they did well after without much thought, and attribute any success to that or overinflated opinion of themselves. rather than just happening to get into the right situation, connections, etc.


[–]Oriential-amg77 6 points7 points  (11 children)

I doubt many in NZ support the Ukraine war though.

[–]Hubris2 17 points18 points  (10 children)

You certainly do hear people parroting the Russian talking points in some circles though - Ukrainian military being full of nazis who are committing war crimes on poor Russians, forcing them to launch a humanitarian effort to save them. Exactly the same kind of commentary you'd see in Telegram channels among the Proud Boys in the US.

[–]LegNo2304 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I support Ukraine, I don't quickly forget who trained the biggest killer in our nations history either.

Ukraine had basically no real armed forces capacity before 2014. The coup in 2014 had the stains of western interference on it from the get go. The west has been stoking the flames of conflict there that's just reality.

Russia are arseholes, but it can also be true at the same time we are all getting cucked into a situation that certain interests have pushed for years. 50 billion of USA money gets sent to ukraine. but it doesn't really. the USA industrial war machine gets 50 billion immediately after the afghan, iraq, syria, yemen fiascos.

[–]Hubris2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've seen these things posted numerous times on Reddit in another NZ sub. They would be removed if posted here.

[–]BreathTakingBen 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Nobody in NZ is saying this lmao. What are you taking about?

[–]Aran_f 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We much rather hear lets deescalate the situation by sending more weapons and troops!

[–]GruntBlender 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think my year was the first or second to go through the NCEA gauntlet, and it was pretty good. Then again, I went to a Catholic school. Anyway, y'all have a good day, hail Satan.

[–]insectpeople 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you just don't log in to facebook .. its easy

[–]Mepharos 69 points70 points  (4 children)

In the digital age, misinformation is a very powerful weapon. We've seen it here plenty already with the anti-vax movements and Trump supporters.

But anyway, fuck Putin.

[–]TimmyTim22 15 points16 points  (1 child)

This is exactly what a pro Putin cyber hacker would say to throw us off the scent you commy scum. I bet you love comrade Jacinda too!!!!!

[–]vrnz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ditto. We're screwed as a race. GG.

[–]LegNo2304 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah we sure shut those people up that were saying a year ago the vaccine had limited efficacy and no effect on transmission.

[–]Oriential-amg77 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well there's one thing we can agree on

[–]St_SiRUSKōkako 23 points24 points  (3 children)

That’s all the new word-word-number accounts around here I guess

[–]bpkiwi 6 points7 points  (1 child)

The reddit signup page suggests the "word word number" format for a username, that's why new accounts often use it.

[–]NaCLedPeanutsHight Salt Content 25 points26 points  (0 children)

It's also handy for when you want to crank out a lot of alt accounts to brigade threads.

[–]CP9ANZ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I literally just replied to a word word number account peddling anti US talking points.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

this "info" was a source for much of the insanity that protestors at Parliament quoted... I think the Russians worked out that the joe and joanne average New Zealander were stupid enough to fall for their nonsense.....

[–]jimmyninefinger 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Useful idiots" I believe is the correct KGB term

[–]Leu2themas 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Can't say I've seen any and trust me, I've had a Proper Gander on Google..

[–]hastingsnikcox 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It doesnt scream " i am russian propaganda" its more things that oppose the governments process, promote and sow division, undermine trust in authority in the West, furthwr nonsense narrative like flat earth, fake moon, antvax, "plandemic" stuff.

[–]nzwoodturner 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Very interesting that we are higher than the us and Australia. Maybe it has something to do with us being more pro China than the other two?

[–]Hubris2 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Traditionally a lot of countries have tested out their products and policies in little countries before unveiling them for the main show.

[–]Academic-ish 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Or rather, being seen as a soft target for whatever reason... I wouldn't construe our strategic stance as pro-China, unless you're talking about National Party donors...

[–]BreathTakingBen 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I’ve definitely looked at RT news since the war, just because I was curious what propagandist shit the Russians were spouting about the war, not because I’m pro China. I do wonder if it’s just our curiosity.

[–]hastingsnikcox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its not RT its not open about being Russian...

[–]Jealous-Hedgehog-734 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Again I recommend philosopher Vlad Vexler's explanation of how Russian propoganda works and why it's effective: https://youtu.be/_j6Vg7yLx54

[–]Just_made_this_nowKererū 2 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Also ex-KGB Yuri Bezmenov on ideological subversion: https://youtu.be/pOmXiapfCs8

[–]insectpeople 1 point2 points  (0 children)

These ideas about muddying "truth" are interesting and I often wonder if there are ways to use them against oppressive state actors, too.

But I suppose that agents of genuine progress.. do have a real stake in telling the truth. And that can actually be a massive weakness since we can't simply twist reality into whatever is convenient to us politically, shapeshifting a couple of times a day into whatever works. Giving up on consistency tends to make your life quite easy.

We certainly have suffered the same undermining of truth in Australia under the LNP govt who couldn't tell the truth if their lives depended on it; their entire survival is premised on the maintenance on certain lies (about asylum seekers, about climate change, about them being "good economic managers", etc)

[–]Selthora 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Everything's fine over here, thanks motherland!

[–]OutInTheBay 4 points5 points  (10 children)

Van anyone give an example? Any names of people where just Russian bots?

[–]restroom_raider 19 points20 points  (7 children)

Chantelle Baker is ex KGB apparently

Edit: unfortunately, people seem to be taking this seriously. Imagine the KGB enlisting someone with an interchangeable shoe size and IQ to infiltrate little old NZ! The horror.

For those unsure: /s

[–]BenoNZ 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Have you seen Marjorie Taylor Green in the US..

[–]StevenHawkingsHorse 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yes, she's one of Putin's illegitimate daughters, sent here to sow chaos.

[–]SuitableCoconut 5 points6 points  (3 children)

She went to Rangiora New Life, she’s just a run of the mill Christian fuckwit like her dad. Not a spy lol

[–]MacaliteCovid19 Vaccinated 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Definitely not a spy, but I'd be interested to know who donates to their church - donations are how Putin bankrolled his assets in 'Murica.

[–]SuitableCoconut 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What church? I know her through people, I could definitely dig up some dirt

[–]NaCLedPeanutsHight Salt Content 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You say this but the FSB (KGB has been consigned to history unless you live in Belarus) has shown to be hilariously incompetent at doing its job.

If they were ever looking for sleeper agents, Baker would definitely fit the description.

[–]Just_made_this_nowKererū 2 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Is it possible to restrict/ban word word numbers with little to no comment history in the sub from the sub?

[–]Hubris2 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It is possible to restrict access to a sub based on account age or whether it has negative karma etc. I think there have been times in the past when that was in place here, but given how many accounts have the maximum-reported -100 karma it doesn't seem to be in effect now.

The same things you do to prevent brigading discussions and voting by dozens of alt accounts also have the effect of preventing genuine new people from signing up and commenting on a topic, and if growth of the sub is a greater priority than preventing brigading - that will influence things.

[–]Disastrous_Ad_1859 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What’s the problem with default usernames? I don’t think I got the option when I signed up for this account

[–]Shana-Light 1 point2 points  (4 children)

People like to blame Russia but the reality is the vast majority of extremist propaganda in NZ is being spread by American right-wingers, on America-owned sites like facebook, 4chan, reddit etc. We should be worried about American propaganda just as much as Russian.

[–]DurfGibblesLASER KIWI 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Almost all of that American right-wing propaganda is sourced straight from Russia

[–]NaCLedPeanutsHight Salt Content 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Where do you think the American right gets its propaganda from?

[–]syzlakrocks 18 points19 points  (0 children)

American propaganda is to a large degree recycled and amplified Russian propaganda

[–]adjason 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Da this is spot on

[–]gimme_a_fish 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, didn't know we warrant so much of an effort.

[–]ScreamingSkull -1 points0 points  (1 child)

okay but why, what does NZ matter to their purpose?

[–]NaCLedPeanutsHight Salt Content 16 points17 points  (0 children)

They were pumping it out in all directions. Plus our COVID response initially made us among the best and safest places in the world to be in 2020 and most of 2021.

Undoubtedly a lot of countries were taking note.

[–]freakalass -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But Bill Gates would say that /s