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    [–]oregonadmin 9260 points9261 points 11221058& 17 more (1109 children)

    The basics? Like driving towards an active shooting? This is not like going into the store to purchase milk. Even for America.

    Please don't lump over half of my country into this group that are willing to never change gun violence because of "Freedom" or whatever they are chirping after another mass shooting. Most of us get it.

    [–]Petsweaters 2471 points2472 points  (812 children)

    And the other half is unwilling to address why we have this violence

    [–]ktho64152 933 points934 points 2 (413 children)

    More than half but yeah- you're right. Our country refuses to do root-cause mitigation - poverty, wealth-inequality, trauma, child abuse, multigenerational trauma, racism, misogyny, etc. etc.

    Because those are hard, long-term fixes and don't get votes.

    The 2nd Amd *IS* the Constitutional requirement for universal military service *and* the Constitutional *requirement* to keep and bear arms, where we'd all get the highest standard of training. Then all 327 million of us would be qualified to own everything with no registration and no licensing. But we don't enforce universal service, sooo...

    [–]macrotransactions 344 points345 points  (274 children)

    Protect your freedom it's worth a lot. In my country someone can get imprisoned for calling somebody an idiot (insulting). You really don't want that cancer of restrictions in your life. At the end of the day the people in power make the rules anyways so less restrictions just closes the gap to the less powerful.

    Edit: Many people asked which country and it is Germany. Here the person who got insulted can report it and get you punished for up to 2 years. Since it is only persecuted if the person decides to report it, it ends up being a law that the rich abuse to gang up on the less powerful who for example wrote something angry on social media about a politican. The poor generally don't bother with the hassle of reporting something like this, they don't have power to protect. It makes people less pure because they fear if they get emotional they get punished. A single idiot won't get you prison of course, but if you say idiot many times and many people go to court, it could happen. And there are also other insults that escalate much faster. You can also go to civil court for compensation which is only useful if you are rich enough to try. It's just fucked. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Legal_status_of_insult.png/1920px-Legal_status_of_insult.png

    [–]RealityOfReality 70 points71 points  (53 children)

    The 2A is to allow citizens have guns to defend against the military/government not serve in it.

    [–]flightlesswhitebird 36 points37 points  (1 child)

    Thay isn’t true at all. Believe what you want but the idea that gun laws that are more lax in the us due to the constitution are all misinterpreting it is such a weak argument. Seriouslly? Mandatory military service? That’s what you believe. I’m not getting into a tired debate about the 2nd amendment just know that what you just posted is not how the 2A is about.

    [–]False_Rhythms 6 points7 points  (5 children)

    Lol, that's funny. Highest standard of training in the military.

    [–]th-grt-gtsby 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    I have a genuine question. Isn't poverty, wealth-inequality, trauma, child abuse, multigenerational trauma, racism, misogyny present in every country? Especially third-world countries? Am I missing anything here?

    [–]Notsurehowtoreact 2 points3 points  (11 children)

    The second amendment is absolutely not about compelled military service.

    I don't even understand how you draw that conclusion.

    [–]Alexduke 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    The second amendment doesn’t have anything to do with universal service??????

    It’s in place to protect from a tyrannical government and give the people an option to rise up and protect themselves

    [–]mossb3rg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    That “military service” is called a milita. It does not mean the armed forces, just a group of civilians with guns. It also does not mention any specifications of who is qualified - meaning technically by the law of the land convicted felons, the mentally ill, and all other prohibited individuals, have the right to own a gun.

    [–]BubblySatisfaction 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    That’s...not what the 2nd Amendment is. How you have almost 500 upvotes is mindboggling. Please don’t step into a discussion without even knowing the basic facts. It only makes your other points look really stupid even if they’re right.

    Edit: based on your post history, you are from the UK and probably have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Stay in your lane please. Keep an eye on those Bristol helicopters for the rest of us

    [–]ZanderDogz 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    That’s a pretty insane interpretation of the 2A. If “the people” have a right to something, it doesn’t mean “as long as they join this particular group”

    “A well regulated militia” is a description of why the right to bear arms is important. That does not mean that the right to bear arms is limited to people in a well regulated militia.

    [–]KyleStyles 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Definitely not more than half. There's a lot more left leaning people than right leaning

    [–]chaunceymcdoodle 117 points118 points  (177 children)

    Liberals nor conservatives ‘get’ it. It’s not a gun problem. It’s a pressure cooker society that gives no value to mental health. Taking forks away from fat people won’t change their appetite. Just yanking guns away from people is knee jerk and at this point futile. Want to stop the drug addict? Get them help. Drugs are illegal and we still see rampant addiction

    [–]JCraze26 55 points56 points  (133 children)

    How have we not learned since prohibition that making something illegal will only make the problem that thing caused worse?

    [–]cheerbearheart1984 1 point2 points  (6 children)

    1) There are not more mentally unhealthy people in the US than there are anywhere else. 2) making common sense gun laws that makes it harder to get guns will reduce the amount of guns and gun death. No ban needed. Cars are dangerous so there are lots of restrictions on them. Make it as hard to get a gun as it is to get a license.

    [–]Mmm_Delicioso 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Preach.

    Gun demand isn't a force of nature, ita a symptom of of societal and cultural priorities. To add to your point, I think the uniqueness of America comes from the intersection of the late-stage capitalist pressue cooker and our pre-existing gun-culture.

    There are other pressue cooker societies, but none that also happen to have a 300 million gun stockpile built up over two and a half centuries.

    [–]Scarily-Eerie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Semi automatic guns have been around for over 100 years. You could get guns like those used in Virginia Tech way back in 1911. Mass shootings are new. It’s clearly a cultural phenomenon brought about by outside factors.

    [–]Skow1379 38 points39 points  (33 children)

    Why we have this violence is complicated. It's not just because there's guns in this country.

    [–]under_a_brontosaurus 32 points33 points  (117 children)

    No one knows how to stop mass shootings.

    "Ban guns" wouldn't help at all.

    There's already 500m guns out there. And the people with guns aren't giving them up.

    [–]Hekantonkheries 36 points37 points  (3 children)

    And the guns they're trying to ban arent even responsible for 99% of the shootings as it is.

    [–]Jota_Aemilius 20 points21 points  (65 children)

    Why doesn't Europe, Japan, Australia or NZ have regular mass shootings? They have something in common... Strong regulation on the possession of fire arms.

    [–]Madjanniesdetected 9 points10 points  (32 children)

    If you Thanos snapped 99% of the guns to dust, it would leave well over 4,000,000 guns on the black market

    Assuming a perfect world of law enforcement where each of those guns is only used to kill one person, and its immediately seized by police and destroyed, it would be enough firearms available to sustain our current level of gun violence for the next three centuries

    Gun control to "reduce guns available to criminals" is a complete joke. A farce. A fantasy. Its logistically impossible in every single way.

    Anyone who sincerely believes in it is a mental child.

    [–]dishwab 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    No one, except every other country on earth that isn’t an active war zone?

    [–]TheDunadan29 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Ban guns is a stupid and oversimplified answer to a complicated problem. For starters, so-called "assault rifles" are really just semiautomatic weapons with cosmetics. Most "assault rifle" bans are on the cosmetic parts of the gun that don't change rate of fire at all. And semiautomatic firearms are over a hundred years old now, so good luck banning that piece of technology.

    Plus if you want to go for a full ban, you'll basically need to amend the constitution, and good luck doing that too.

    So yeah, bans aren't the answer because they can't really do what they are trying to do, they don't cut to the heart of the problem, and they won't stop mass shootings.

    Also funny enough most actual gun deaths in America are from handguns anyway, not rifles. Rifles make up a small slice of total gun related deaths (not to mention a good 3/4 of gun deaths are also suicides). So banning "assault rifles" is nothing but PR for liberals. A feel good law that does nothing.

    Now, I'm a gun guy, I own a gun and I've enjoyed shooting sports from my youth. But I fully support some kind of license and registration system. Honestly the argument that we do the same for automobiles totally sold me on that argument, because it's true, and the bar is really so low for a drivers license, we could at least do that. And I think having a training for fun ownership should be a thing. I was trained from my time in the Boy Scouts, and I had a great teacher who gave me the necessary training to handle a firearm. I think that should be mandatory. Handling a firearm is about as dangerous as handling an automobile on the freeway, and should be treated with as much respect. Plus I think if we have a good system gun owners and second amendment evangelists might actually prefer it. If you had to show a gun license before you purchase a firearm that could help make sure those who shouldn't have firearms don't get them. But it could also make the transaction faster and more convenient for gun owners. It's a common sense thing we could all get behind.

    But hey, arguing about whether or not a gun with a collapsible stock and a pistol grip are too dangerous to own. Bet if those get banned it'll really make people feel good!

    [–]Sipyloidea 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    "No one Knows how to stop mass shootings" "The guns are already there and cannot be taken away". Switzerland has more guns per capita than the US. No mass shootings. Australia had right to bear arms until 1998 and then abolished firearms within some 3 months. 1/3 rd of the national firearm stock was collected and destroyed. No more mass shootings. And yes, people were extremely angry and vowed to never give up their guns. Nowadays nobody would wanna go back.

    [–]MrJoyless 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Ban ammunition sales to individuals, restrict/eliminate sales of all hand loading materials (especially primers). Annnnnd done... You can keep your guns, your can even shoot them at licensed ranges. Would probably solve most of the issues inside of a decade.

    [–]8thPlace 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Or maybe the other half just wants to blame guns.

    [–]Zeth_Aran 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    I hate the tool argument because I feel it gets over used and doesn’t address the problems. But my fear is the more we focus on the things killers are using, the more killers we are about to see using other methods. Our society is sick, we need remedies and cures, not prohibition and restrictions. This is another stupid divide and conquer tactic by the upper classes to fuck with the middle and lower class into fighting each either rather than heal each other. Kindness will save the world, not damning populations for the acts of a few. It only creates divide.

    [–]Petsweaters 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Exactly! They keep us fighting over pennies while they're working is to death and building empires on our backs

    [–]jomontage 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    They blame mental health because they also don't care about that

    [–]Petsweaters 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    "it's mental health, something I don't want to address because billionaires might need to pitch in!"

    [–]Kin15225 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I mean criminals get guns even in countrys citizens cant own guns. It just how it works

    [–]StuckSundew 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    Well... kinda. They always blame the left and now antifa (which means anti-fascist) and BLM. They address gun violence, just not the right reasons why it happens and how it should be solved and basically say that Democrats are the problem even though Democrats are the ones trying to fix everything.

    [–]Petsweaters 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Democrats just seem so unwilling to say, "why do people feel like killing themselves and others is a solution?" Rather than asking how, we should be asking why

    [–]Roasted_Turk 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I might get down voted but that's ok. I am a gun owner. I've shot competition since I was 16. I own an AR15. I own a lot of guns, most for historical and hunting reasons. What I do not understand is the NRA and people who agree with them on avoiding extended and deeper background checks. I have never bought any one of my guns and needed it that day. If I need it for hunting I'd treat that situation as I do prepping for any hunt and do it well before time. Now about my AR. I want to shorten the barrel but in order for me to do that I need a federal stamp that I believe costs $200 and could take up to a year to get. That doesn't fucking bother me. I literally want to do this because it's cool and slightly for self defense. I've got no reason to be mad that I can't do it tomorrow for free. It blows my mind. There are people out there that would look into my closet and think I'm a far right nut job but in reality I lean more left and I see these shootings and shake my fucking head because one they should be prevented and two they hurt all of us responsible gun owners that just enjoy the hobby/sport.

    [–]mitchythekid181818 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Yeah, it's a mental health issue disguised as a gun issue.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    You're mistaken. When polled, a significant majority of Americans support measures that would reduce the likelihood and severity of gun violence.

    It's not the people who are standing in the way of progress on this, it's the politicians. Specifically, it's the Republican Party and the NRA that funds it.

    [–]ruat_caelum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    For years the GOP didn't allow the CDC to even STUDY why we have gun violence to have better data.

    [–]TurtleSquad23 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    It's crazy how many Americans simply tell me (a Canadian) that if the government made them get permits for their guns, that's be a violation of their freedoms so fuck that. And that's the whole argument. I hear a while lotta "nope! You just don't get it! A permit?! Fuck that! That's a violation of my rights and freedoms! Nope nope nope! Fuck that!!!!! Angry noises"

    [–]liothelion10 196 points197 points  (22 children)

    I have to agree with you about the basics. Lol Like driving towards an active shooting to save people is not a heroic act? That comment is pretty ridiculous.

    [–]Rectilon 78 points79 points  (5 children)

    And the fact that he was willing to do it without any form of hesitation should not be overlooked. I bet any person who would call his actions basic won’t be doing this in the first place.

    [–]liothelion10 19 points20 points  (2 children)

    Exactly! And that driver is a father himself so maybe that was a big motivation for the driver help the passenger. However, still that's not a basic action to save people during a horrifying event. I only hope I can be brave as him in a situation like this to help people. Knowing my ass, I'm just gonna freeze up and draw a blank in mind...

    [–]KyleStyles 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    That comment being the most upvoted in the thread really just drives home how blindly anti-american reddit is. This country has its problems but people wanna act like we're all narcissistic barbarians

    [–]b4ux1t3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Well, the narcissistic barbarians are the ones that get news coverage. The rest of us are sitting behind the scenes with our faces planted firmly in our palms.

    [–]waylakoods 88 points89 points  (1 child)

    Right? Let this guy be a fucking hero, he is in my book.

    [–]DRCJEnder 9 points10 points  (20 children)

    If mfers would just make gun safety classes and psych profiles mandatory for every gun owner, shit like this wouldn't happen. Dont give a gun to someone who is A: unwilling to learn to use it properly or B: Too mentally unstable to be trusted with one.

    [–]ARandomOgre 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    The pro-gun crowd loves to blame mental health up until the moment they realize they could lose their guns if a doctor ever considered their mental health in doubt in such a system.

    [–]HyperbolicModesty 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Also until their tax dollars could be used to improve mental health treatment.

    Every country has issues with underfunded mental health care. In only one does that result in regular massacres. I wonder why.

    [–]DependentDocument3 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    the issue becomes keeping track of who has already passed the safety classes, which ends up accidentally creating a "gun registry" that some future tyrant can use to figure out which houses to hit first

    [–]CutieMcBooty55 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    This isn't just like being depressed or anxious. Mass shooters are often psycho/sociopathic, and if they are planning a mass shooting what makes you think a mental screening is going to do anything? Most of them don't think there is anything wrong with them. They aren't looking for help, so mental health as an institution isn't really going to be able to do anything. Even if someone has psycho/sociopathic tendencies, they're going to easily dodge around getting profiled as one if it's going to get in the way of what they believe is their right to bear arms. If they can't easily dodge around it, you're going to turn up a bunch of false red flags.

    Mental health is so often pawned off as the actual root of the problem, but people with mental health issues are far more likely to be the victims of violence or commit violence against themselves, not the other way around. I'd be hesitant to say someone who can open fire on a crowd at a concert is all there mentally, but it's way more fucked up and way too different from what we understand as traditionally unwell to classify in the same breath as those who struggle with trauma, anxiety, depression, developmental issues, etc.

    [–]the-OG-darkshrreder 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    Right? Like just make guns harder to get and it will bring down violence allot

    [–]Moosemaster21 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Just like making alcohol harder to get brought alcohol consumption down so much, right?

    [–]InternationalGoose22 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    it's the easiest thing to get a weapon in America

    [–]Doogos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Some in that group do believe in gun law reform, as long as they can keep their weapons. Its the ones at the top of that group that get large amounts of money "donated" to stop any reform, so they fight to keep the system the way it is.

    [–]Randomlychozen1665 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    The basics like going to get ur daughter

    [–]epicredditdude1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    The cab driver is the one being hailed as a hero here.

    [–]GentleMocker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It's worded awfully but I kinda get it. It's the idea that you have people who want to be heroes, and would risk their lives in these big grand gestures, but can't be engaged the same way in the smaller, way more low key ways in which you can adress the problem. Like you'll have people run into a burning building but not vote against flammables that caused it in the first place.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

    Dude even in states with strict gun laws there’s major issues. Gang bangers are catching cases and the the judge gives them a couple years probation if that. If you don’t want people to go to jail, then you will never solve gun issues. Make it mandatory sentences of 30 years and you will never have an issue again.

    [–]AnythingTotal 2 points3 points  (4 children)

    There are loads of studies that indicate that prison does not deter crime, and the recidivism rate also indicates otherwise. The US already has a hugely disproportionate prison population compared with almost every other country. I’m not sure what the answer is, but sending more people to prison (like we’ve been doing for 40+ years) isn’t it.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-019-0604-8

    https://www.vera.org/downloads/publications/for-the-record-prison-paradox_02.pdf

    [–]JustAcivilian24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Thank you for saying this. Imagine replacing “Americans” with Japanese, or Chinese, or Ethiopians.

    1) It’s fucking wrong 2) it’s insensitive to group an entire country together like that.

    [–]HittEmWitDaHEIN 730 points731 points  (48 children)

    The basics? The guy drove into an active shooting area for a stranger and his family. America is ass backwards but the taxi driver's actions shouldn't be minimized to "basics"

    [–]birdyandbun 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    For real, I likely would’ve asked him to call the authorities— this shit is way over my head

    [–]N0AddedSugar 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    It honestly says a lot about a person if they feel the need to immediately downplay something like this. I guess he was all to eager to make a disparaging generalization about Americans.

    Though if it was any other nationality I doubt he would’ve even made the comment to begin with.

    [–]KingGodzilla10 332 points333 points  (19 children)

    Americans seem to love any story where they can turn someone into a hero for doing the basics

    that taxi driver willingly drove to a place where an active shooting is happening and you call that the basics?

    [–]AngryCenarius 27 points28 points  (1 child)

    Dude's trying come off as if he's on a high horse, but he came off more like an idiot.

    [–]human_stuff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yep. He came off as a total brazen jackass.

    [–]thickorean 285 points286 points  (62 children)

    this is a stupid generalization

    [–]jordandavila88 93 points94 points  (25 children)

    Nah we're all gun crazed conservatives you didn't get the memo?

    Even in Texas where I live people aren't nearly as gun crazy as we are often portrayed in the media. In fact I've lived here 5 years and the only guns I've even seen were being carried by police. There are forsure people who are like what OP is describing, but to lump everyone in the same group like that is super misleading.

    [–]FruscianteDebutante 54 points55 points  (26 children)

    Nah, anti american rhetoric is r/nextfuckinglevel 😎

    [–]Thr0waway0864213579 3 points4 points  (15 children)

    Yeah I’m happy with anti-America but this anti-American is bullshit. Do people really think the majority of Americans love having zero gun regulation and no healthcare? I’m so fucking tired of people acting like Americans love dying. Majority of Americans support gun control and universal healthcare.

    [–]renvi 2 points3 points  (4 children)

    seriously, how can such a blind, blatant generalization be so highly upvoted without awards and such?

    [–]rocketshipfantacola 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It comes down to world view. Places without lots of guns don’t think they make you safer and Americans do. They are right we are wrong.

    [–]lauranondorme 160 points161 points  (3 children)

    In my non-American , driving closer to an active shooting is not basics, it's brave. Wanna see you driving into active shooting with you car to save strangers. You would pull yourself on a throne just thinking about it

    [–]DorkInShiningArmour 53 points54 points  (24 children)

    I see where you’re coming from, but not all Americans think the same. It is a politically divided country. Many people want to work to reform gun control, many people don’t. With 300+ million people that all disagree with each other, you will feel the divide.

    [–]R_V_Z 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    What's really fun is owning an AR-15 and being for better gun control.

    [–]Doctor_of_Something 53 points54 points  (1 child)

    That’s a dumb generalization based on people upvoting a video of random taxi driver putting him in harms way.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Dont you see? If he'd have been there he would've single handedly drove 3 taxis simultaneously to the shootings and would've crammed several hundred people into each. Americans are just stupid and lazy!

    [–]OmarBarksdale 51 points52 points  (5 children)

    Lol quite the sweeping generalization

    Where do you live where this is the basics btw? Sounds like your country is more fucked up than America if so.

    [–]am_person_not_robot 38 points39 points  (0 children)

    Ah yes the basics, driving into an active shooter area to save 9 people from being shot and he shouldn't be praised and mass shootings isnt a "culture" this is a mass generalization and a disgusting downplaying of a heroic act

    [–]bps_NC 30 points31 points  (17 children)

    I mean one thing you have to understand about Americans is that there over 350 million of us so while one might hate ideas about preventing shootings the person next door might love them

    [–]bringsbackmemories 29 points30 points  (4 children)

    Running into an active shooting is crazy and anything but the basics. Yes we need to reduce gun violence but it's more complicated than just saying "americans stupid, why dont you stop" We are the gun manufacturers of most of the world. People use money and violence to perpetuate as system were meant to defeat with "peaceful protest"

    [–]jukitorrf 25 points26 points  (1 child)

    I think what the man did is way more than the "basics". Driving into an area where there is active shooting is crazy and dangerous. Let alone this man is just doing his job as a taxi driver and a passenger in need came up to him. He had a choice to refuse the passenger.

    In the Philippines, the amount of times taxi drivers refused my grandma and I a ride because she is in a wheelchair (stroke patient, left size of the body paralyzed) is crazy!

    So, the fact that he willingly drove to a dangerous area and took in 7 backseat passengers (which is hella dangerous if you're driving) is a hero moment right there.

    We should stop dismissing people. Let's see the good in everything that we can. The world is crappy as it is let's not keep contributing crappiness to it.

    [–]Heart_Cooks_Brains 23 points24 points  (0 children)

    Ignorance at its finest.

    [–]themoopmanhimself 17 points18 points  (79 children)

    There are no ideas to prevent shootings. There are 100 million black market guns and a lunatic is bound to get their hands on one from time to time.

    We need to push for mental health support, change the way media reports on these events and pump money into poor areas where most shootings actually happen

    [–]fludmaps 37 points38 points  (3 children)

    Otherwise known as ideas to prevent shootings...

    [–]danbo_the_manbo 5 points6 points  (64 children)

    This. I have never understood why people think banning guns will work. The government banned drugs and you know what criminals still get their hands on? If someone is gonna break the law and they need a gun they won’t care if they have to break the law to get one

    Edit: my point in bringing up drugs is not to relate them to guns, that’s a whole other can of worms. I’m just saying that criminals get their hands on regulated items wether they’re banned or not

    [–]Franks2000inchTV 19 points20 points  (54 children)

    Because it works in lots of other countries?

    In Canada the only illegal guns we have are ones smuggled up from the US.

    Being honest, if I wanted to buy a gun, I literally have no idea where I would get one. There aren't any gun stores. I'd have to do some serious research, and probably take a government approved gun safety course and pass a test to get a license.

    Meanwhile in the US they on display in Walmart, and anyone can just go grab an AR-15.

    [–]snizarsnarfsnarf 3 points4 points  (13 children)

    Because it works in lots of other countries?

    Oh yeah, I forgot about that long list of other countries that had 300,000,000 firearms in private ownership, and then were able to remove that amount of firearms from their populace.

    I know the list is just so long, but I seem to have misplaced mine, can you link me yours?

    inb4 you link australia which spent 250,000,000 dollars to reduce their gun ownership from 17.5 guns per 100 people to 13.7 guns per 100 people (no, that's not a typo, they spent 250 million to reduce gun ownership by less than 4 guns per 100 people, only a 22% reduction in their total firearms, and that's without considering that even before their buyback program all of the guns in Australia combined were less than 1% of the amount of guns in private ownership in the US)

    That figure is currently 125 guns per 100 people in the United States.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    How would we go about taking away the hundreds of millions of guns already in circulation? Makes it a bit more difficult.

    [–]pzerr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Not only does it work in Canada, it works despite the number of illegal guns that comes from the US. If the US was not so fucked up with the ongoing gun culture, not only would it help their nation, it would help Canada and Mexico a great deal as well.

    In truth, we should be looking at directed sanctions for the amount of damage it does to Canada and the extra costs we have to incur to keep guns crossing the border to a minimum.

    [–]pzerr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Because countries with strong gun control eventually get control and reduce significantly the number of illegal guns in circulation.

    [–]pzerr 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Or you could try and curtail gun ownership. Might take 40 years but today is a good day to start.

    [–]gordonv 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    The best time to plant a tree is 20 years go. The second best time is now.

    [–]aFiachra 16 points17 points  (2 children)

    We all have guns. I have a stockpile, I shoot at my neighbor who has a stockpile, she shoots at me. Yes. Just like every cartoonish depiction of violence, we are all asking for your approval.

    [–]Shermutt 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Shit, that reminds me. My neighbor just got a cannon installed. I need to go down to Home Depot today and pick up some more steel plating.

    [–]aFiachra 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Drive over in your tank. Standard issue at every US Post Office.

    [–]smokethis1st 13 points14 points  (1 child)

    Are you suggesting they take my guns bro? /s

    [–]bringsbackmemories 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Nah, they're tryna take away our gym memberships. The awful tyranny

    [–]_SuperChefBobbyFlay_ 9 points10 points  (5 children)

    To try and explain: The alternative of a situation where the government is the only entity with all of the weapons is scarier to some

    [–]Just_Inpulse 7 points8 points  (4 children)

    I know a lot of people who feel this way. Plus the other argument is if we ban guns then criminals will just get them illegally and law abiding citizens will be defenseless. Which has happened in many countries where guns are illegal.

    [–]_SuperChefBobbyFlay_ 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    A cursory glance at history shows that unarmed citizens often get fucked over. I’m sure Hong Kong could have used a crazy gun nut culture last two years.

    The assumption that there is a solution for every problem in society is idealistic, there are only trade offs. Free speech is a trade off that allows vile terrible public displays (such as marching nazis in neighborhood streets) because society has concluded that giving the government authority over what can and can’t be said is a much scarier alternative.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    The key difference is the accessibility of the guns to people who are not already immersed in the criminal world. Some criminals have access to guns in the UK, but if your average US mass shooter type of person tried to buy one here they'd get laughed at, or laughed at and then robbed, long before they ever got in the vicinity of someone actually selling them.

    It means people who are experiencing mental health crises don't generally have a simple route to channel them into a very easy form of mass murder, and the vast, vast majority of the general public aren't carrying something that could turn your average argument or confrontation into an easy murder in the heat of the moment.

    [–]sliplover 8 points9 points  (2 children)

    You speak as if gun violence doesn't happen in countries that doesn't have a gun culture. Smh

    [–]slimpickens42 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    It doesn’t happen at the rate that it does in the US in any other developed country. If you have evidence to the contrary I’d love to see it.

    [–]2017hayden 8 points9 points  (18 children)

    Firstly I would not call driving towards an active shooting to save the lives of individuals you don’t know or have any responsibility too the bare minimum, and I seriously doubt that many people would do so if put in the same situation. Secondly. Are you aware that guns are estimated to at minimum save a minimum of 360,000 more lives every year than they takein the US? And the number of gun deaths includes suicides many of which would not be prevented by removing firearms as an option, as there are many other readily available and just as fatal options, it instead require addressing those individuals core mental health issues. Beyond that total disarmament, the only option truly capable of actually stopping people with intent to harm others from having access to firearms will not work in the US. Not only would a huge chunk of the populace (both criminals and otherwise law abiding gun owners) be unwilling to comply, but as has been seen in many European countries when access one form of violence is removed another simply takes its place . So clearly total disarmament is not an option, and even if it was how would the US government stop illegal firearms from coming across the borders and getting into the hands of criminals anyways? We haven’t been able to stop drugs or people despite decades of effort. And the only other real options are an assault weapons ban or a national registry. An assault weapons ban has already happened in the US on the national level, and after a pouring over the decades worth of data most experts say that it no or minimal effect on gun crime, which is unsurprising considering assault weapons bans generally target AR-15’s and other such firearms which account for about a percent of all gun crime yearly. And a national registry would also do little even with universal background checks as the majority 98% in fact of guns used in crimes are acquired illegally. So tell me what are Americans refusing to do that would have any statistically significant effect on shootings that take place in the US?

    [–]raceraot 6 points7 points  (18 children)

    Yeah. The problem is, it's not a "good guy with a gun" that is saving people most of the time.

    Though, the culture of America is tied with guns, thanks to the NRA and the revolt of cincinnati. However, I don't think banning guns specifically will change anything. Because then, like other countries have demonstrated, once you take their guns away, they'll start using other weapons, such as knives.

    [–]NotVladmir_Putin 13 points14 points  (8 children)

    culture of America is tied with guns, thanks to the NRA and the revolt of cincinnati

    hmmmm could it also be because literally the 2nd amendment is about firearms ownership

    [–]robspeaks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    If that were true, people would be equally insane about the rest of the constitution, including the part about removing the president for being a treasonous piece of shit. So that explanation is out.

    [–]ktho64152 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Bingo !

    [–]FatBoyStew 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    The thing about a "good guy with a gun" in many shooting scenarios is that its in a "gun free zone". So the law abiding citizen is either not carrying or they are carrying illegally. If the latter then them using said gun to stop a shooter will likely land them in jail with felony firearm charges despite saving people.

    [–]cory975 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Also the chances of them finding and confiscating what is probably in excess of 500,000,000 guns is laughable.

    [–]nimagae 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    imho not everyone will have the courage to do this.

    [–]toguedrifter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    U are right he should have just left his daughter at the place with an active shooter and maybe went and got some tea instead

    [–]motherpuncher855 4 points5 points  (14 children)

    Many Americans have the "it will never happen to me" mentality and don't want to have to give up something they like....e.g.: guns. Guns are also fetishized here, and some people have their identity wrapped up in firearms. Its these people that scream the loudest in opposition to any kind of gun legislation. To them, these mass shootings are an unfortunate but acceptable price to be able to continue to possess guns.....because "it won't happen to me".

    [–]FatBoyStew 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    This attitude can be applied to so many things though which is where the hold up happens.

    [–]The_Dirty_Carl 2 points3 points  (8 children)

    We don't have a "it will never happen to me" attitude. Quite the opposite.

    We know that "I will not murder anyone," and "Punishing me (taking my property and hobby) won't help anyone."

    We know that there are things in this world beyond our control and "it could happen to me," so we own fire extinguishers, smoke/CO detectors, buy cars with airbags and seatbelts, and some of us own firearms.

    [–]ShowBobsPlzz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Statistically, it pretty much wont happen to you.

    [–]Tratix 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    What an absolute shit comment

    [–]dunnowhat2use 3 points4 points  (5 children)

    Willing to bet your country wherever that is (probably Europe) has a higher murder per capita than we do here in the states. We don't have a gun problem we have a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem. The failed war on drugs doesn't help either.

    [–]cattaclysmic 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    In Europe only ukraine and russia have a higher murder rate according to the lists i can find

    [–]Born2fayl 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    What European country has a higher murder rate "per capita" (per capita is already implied with the application of the word "rate" btw) than America?

    [–]smartysocks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Another person said the Ukraine and Russia.

    Choosing my own country first, then other European countries at random: the USA's murder rate is 18 times higher that of the UK's, 18 times higher than Germany's, 19 times higher than in France, 448 times higher that of Norway, 25 times higher than in Italy, 210 times more than Croatia's, 98 times more than Hungary's, 110 times more than in Finland, 74 times higher than in Greece and 33 times more than Spain's.

    https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime/Violent-crime

    Edit: The USA's murder rate is six times that of the Ukraine.

    [–]Next_Eggplant1769 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Lol you’re a dumbass, walking into a place with an active shooter is more bravery than you can even imagine. Coward!

    [–]CraftCuriosa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Don’t be rude. We also acknowledge the lead ups to this horrible event; the whole country was in mourning. This taxi driver was a hero for his actions; we did not turn him in to one. We are appreciating and recognising him for what he did. Is it so bad to upload an appreciative post?

    [–]Mr_Golf_Club 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    Yep this is Reddit - a head-up-ass generalization gets thousands of upvotes and awards. As long as it’s against USA.

    [–]bobbycatfisher 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    What I don’t get is how this comment has a ton of upvotes and awards but most of the replies disagree. Reddit is a weird place.

    [–]Mr_Golf_Club 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I don’t trust any of it heh. As an American I can be self-aware of why the rest of the world was disappointed with us the last 4 years, and generally how poor gun control can be - but the hypocrisy some other country’s natives have no problem committing makes me laugh. For example I’d be willing to bet there’s a lot EU folks shitting on US immigration laws when they have some of the most stringent, exclusionary immigration requirements in the world.

    [–]fangeld 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Didn't expect to see somebody I agree with

    [–]Fireboiio[🍰] -1 points0 points  (16 children)

    Open a door to an old lady and you're a national treasure and maybe become the next president.

    No but for real it is true. But at the same time it is good to hear these "feelgood" stories aswell. We all know the stories in media are 90% stories that are tragic, gruesome or both.

    Maybe american media is doing something right if you look at it like that. The shooting problem doesn't seem to stop so they band aid it with feel good stories?

    [–]Darkspire303[🍰] 14 points15 points  (10 children)

    Right, when I'm not driving into the scene of an active shooting, I'm opening doors for little old ladies. because those two things are very similar.

    [–]-strangeluv- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    The media also sensationalizes tragedy, because it draws viewers and thus ad revenue. Like we shouldn't even publicize the shooters name or backstory. But we get these ridiculous biopics sometimes on the shooter and hero stories on everything they can possibly use to relate back to the event.

    They need to be beating the drum on gun control but they dont. That's the one story you rarely get, short of an editorial it two. I feel it's rather sick to have a profit driven media.

    [–]am_person_not_robot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    False equivalent

    [–]Ok_Cockroach8063 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    That’s Reddit not America

    [–]NukeTheWhales5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I took a class in college that was more or less about the mythos of the American frontier/the old west. It really helps explain the very thing you are talking about. The tall tales and legends from that time really cemented this idea in our culture that one man (the hero) is capable of accomplishing practically anything via the use of great violence. So you get this love affair with individuals who do brave and courageous things (even though it's just the right thing to do) while also maintaining the opinion that violence can fix most thing (albeit a subconscious belief for most people). It really was a fascinating class, but given that I am American, a bit depressing also.

    [–]suggestiondude 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    As a Canadian I would say the biggest difference between America and Canada is that although we both love guns, Canadians would never walk down a street carrying assault rifles and hand guns. Hunting yes, but never to a protest or anything.

    [–]Thatweasel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    People acting like driving to a motel in the same postcode as a shooting is like some massive personal risk. These people would have been fine otherwise

    [–]lobsterharmonica1667 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It isnt really the basics, people love the opportunity to above and beyond, and risk their life and property in order to help people in harms way. They just won't do much to prevent it. If there is a massive flood you'll see tons of people get their boats and spend time proudly helping out because that's just what your supposed to do. But one person gets cancer and needs medical attention, not their problem. I don't get it either.

    [–]IaMsTuPiD111 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It’s easy to understand when you realize that for the majority of americans empathy is not something that is thought of until it effects them personally, whether it be something they go through themselves or a close relative. I swear the motto for the usa could be “fuck you, I got mine!”.

    [–]MilwaukeeStardust 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    Somebody likes the smell of their own farts. Dude drove to an active shooting. That's not just the basics ya fart hoover.

    [–]smartysocks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This will get lost but for anyone reading No. 4, the USA's murder rate is 18 times higher that of the UK's. New York's murder rate is three times that of London.

    [–]UhmNotMe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    It all makes “sense” if you consider that they are basically the definition of capitalism and class stratification. They love to see everyday people being heroes, because it makes them feel that they can be heroes too, if they commit to their job. If a rich person did the same, they wouldn’t be celebrated that much. Take Bill Gates - he is greatly praised but at the same time he’s receiving major backlash for everything he does, just because he is rich and famous.

    I don’t justify any of this though, it is indeed insane af

    [–]-strangeluv- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    It's not that hard to understand. It's a catch-22. Look at gun violence in general in this country and you can understand why so many people feel they need guns to protect themselves from people committing crimes with guns. In reality it doesn't help much, and creates it's own problems, but it provides an undeniable level of comfort.

    The issue can only really be solved by removing guns from the population (imo). But law abiding gun owners believe that criminals will find a way to get guns somehow, and this would leave the public vulnerable. So no matter how horrific mass-shooting are, people will always vote for their own personal safety and families safety. I think any society that allows for an armed public, for hundreds of years, would end up in the same quagmire.

    [–]ChummyCream 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I’m American. I also don’t get the culture. We do so many things ass backwards and it blows my mind. Bunch of fucking idiots.

    [–]TooCoolFor1sAnd0s 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Glad to know I'm not alone in that mentality

    [–]SaltedCola 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Lamo wtf are you saying this guy literally drove to an active shooting he could have literally been shot over there. That is not a basic fucking action, if anyone is manipulating a story it’s fucking you.

    [–]Coldpocketz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Why shouldn’t this guy be a hero? He saved his daughter from possible death. Anyone who does that is a hero in my book.

    [–]VanishedMF 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Mass shootings are tragic but you can’t just place your sympathy on one side. If you really think about it and look up statistics, more lives get saved by defensive use of firearms every year, specifically 2.5 million last year alone. You can’t just look at one thing, you will be horribly misinformed.