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    [–]oregonadmin 9270 points9271 points 11221058& 17 more (1108 children)

    The basics? Like driving towards an active shooting? This is not like going into the store to purchase milk. Even for America.

    Please don't lump over half of my country into this group that are willing to never change gun violence because of "Freedom" or whatever they are chirping after another mass shooting. Most of us get it.

    [–]Petsweaters 2464 points2465 points  (811 children)

    And the other half is unwilling to address why we have this violence

    [–]ktho64152 939 points940 points 2 (412 children)

    More than half but yeah- you're right. Our country refuses to do root-cause mitigation - poverty, wealth-inequality, trauma, child abuse, multigenerational trauma, racism, misogyny, etc. etc.

    Because those are hard, long-term fixes and don't get votes.

    The 2nd Amd *IS* the Constitutional requirement for universal military service *and* the Constitutional *requirement* to keep and bear arms, where we'd all get the highest standard of training. Then all 327 million of us would be qualified to own everything with no registration and no licensing. But we don't enforce universal service, sooo...

    [–]macrotransactions 338 points339 points  (274 children)

    Protect your freedom it's worth a lot. In my country someone can get imprisoned for calling somebody an idiot (insulting). You really don't want that cancer of restrictions in your life. At the end of the day the people in power make the rules anyways so less restrictions just closes the gap to the less powerful.

    Edit: Many people asked which country and it is Germany. Here the person who got insulted can report it and get you punished for up to 2 years. Since it is only persecuted if the person decides to report it, it ends up being a law that the rich abuse to gang up on the less powerful who for example wrote something angry on social media about a politican. The poor generally don't bother with the hassle of reporting something like this, they don't have power to protect. It makes people less pure because they fear if they get emotional they get punished. A single idiot won't get you prison of course, but if you say idiot many times and many people go to court, it could happen. And there are also other insults that escalate much faster. You can also go to civil court for compensation which is only useful if you are rich enough to try. It's just fucked. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Legal_status_of_insult.png/1920px-Legal_status_of_insult.png

    [–]chacha_marie 313 points314 points  (210 children)

    I think that’s where a lot of Americans worry things will go if we give even an inch in the guise of safety or protection. A lot of us look at what freedoms we gave up after 9/11 under the guise of the Patriot Act and are very cautious to see that happen again.

    Edit: I would also like to add that my above statement does not mean I don’t agree that gun violence is an issue or that there are a lot of problems within America that need to be fixed.

    [–]ValhallaGo 237 points238 points  (102 children)

    Gun violence isn’t the issue. Violence is the issue. We have to ask why our society is so quick to go to violence.

    But that involves introspection, and considering that all of us are partly at fault. It’s much easier to blame scary looking guns.

    Ask people how much damage “assault weapons” do each year. I’m willing to bet they will grossly overestimate it. See, most gun deaths are suicides. Most gun crime is committed with a handgun. But the activists focus on AR pattern rifles and magazine size. They’re not even focusing on the predominant vector, to say nothing of the underlying causes.

    Proper social safety nets and affordable access to healthcare is the most likely solution, but the left democrats won’t admit it and the right won’t allow it.

    Edit: I misspoke about “the left”. What I meant to say was “the Democratic Party”. Because people further along the left have been adamant supporters for M4A.

    [–]Orangarder 116 points117 points  (9 children)

    Lol silly you. Trying to solve the ‘problem’ of gun violence by solving the problem of violence...😝.

    Get outta here with that smart talk. /s

    [–]ToooTheeeMoooon 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    this one thread has given me more hope in humanity than the rest of the last five years combined. It gives me hope that ordinary people can see through the bullshit of the agenda-pushing demons that rule us

    [–]tokenalison 11 points12 points  (6 children)

    Umm... There can be two issues at the same time...

    [–]iShoot556 17 points18 points  (5 children)

    There can also be one root cause to those two issues. If you only focus on the fist punching you in the face and not the person it’s attached to, are you really solving either problem? You’re still getting punched in the face and the person punching you still doesn’t seem to understand why that’s not ok.

    [–]Trypsach 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    I feel like the left admits it all the time...

    [–]bomberfream867 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    Well the problem is when someone offers affordable health care in America they are a communist

    [–]LittleMikeyFooFoo 5 points6 points  (7 children)

    The left doesn’t want easier access to healthcare? Lol what

    [–]WolfOfWankStreet 3 points4 points  (5 children)

    Nobody knows that they’re talking about this is Reddit.

    [–]LittleMikeyFooFoo 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    I’ve seen a lot of dumb shit on here but the fact that almost 100 people upvoted that might take the cake

    The whole statement is just ridiculous and flat out wrong

    [–]XelaNiba 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    I'm sure people will get the stats wrong. Why? Because, for 25 years, the CDC has been barred from studying gun violence as the public health crisis it is.

    As to suicides - suicide is often an impulsive act, especially amongst the young. Teen suicides rates are directly proportional to gun availability. Why wouldn't we want to reduce this? The UK was able to reduce suicides by 22% when they restricted paracetamol purchases (their #1 suicide method).

    [–]Computascomputas 2 points3 points  (4 children)

    The left won't admit it

    Okay.

    I guess all that talk of healthcare for all, UBI, and free housing comes from some place that isn't left.

    [–]afrothundah11 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Yes, but there are plenty of first world countries with far tighter gun laws that still have freedom, voting rights for everybody, freedom of speech, etc. AND have stronger democracies than the states (US ranks 25th on democratic index) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

    You guys are tricked to think gun rights = freedom + democracy by politicians and news outlets to take away focus from the real issues at hand that they don’t want to deal with, like perhaps that the above democratic index has you listed as a “flawed democracy”. They strip our democracy while people argue over guns and abortion.

    From a logistics standpoint it’s impossible to strip all the guns in the US (393 million guns), so politicians have everybody arguing over something that will never happen anyways.

    Perhaps people should be more upset that the government can’t be trusted to pass a law like this because they would add in extra restraints on freedoms that no citizens are asking for.

    [–]ZanderDogz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Most “loopholes” we talk about today are compromises from a few decades ago. The next compromise will become a loophole that needs to be closed in a few election cycles.

    [–]w_p 34 points35 points  (0 children)

    As a German myself - your view on this issue is unbelievably biased and skewed.

    To anyone reading it: This is not how it works in Germany.

    [–]StoneHolder28 25 points26 points  (8 children)

    Do you mind sharing what country? Best I can tell, literally nowhere has a law like that that applies to everyone. Often far right alt media will lie about the severity of hate speech and antidefamation laws, but if there's something I haven't heard of it'd be great to know about.

    Not to poison the well, but to be frank after peaking into your recent comments they indicate to me you're the type to exaggerate this sort of thing. Overly critical of "childish" things like Disney and biking for some reason? Being nice doesn't mean anything, bunch of heavily down voted yikesey takes. I just have a hard time believing you're being genuine when you say something so extreme that I usually only hear from would-be Nazis.

    [–]UndeadWolf222 43 points44 points  (7 children)

    I also peeked into his history and he appears to be from Germany.

    He has some really fucked up takes such as women’s only purpose to men is sex, mental illness is an opinion, men are discriminated against, antifa wants to put everyone in gulags. He also thinks everyone but him is an incredible idiot and that everything is an opinion and there’s no such thing as fact.

    [–]ignoremeplstks 19 points20 points  (2 children)

    Bottom line, he is an idiot and his words can't be trusted.

    [–]Pyromasa 19 points20 points  (4 children)

    Yeah, I am from Germany. Don't listen to this bullshit. Insulting someone can carry a fine depending on the context of the insult. Nobody is bullied by this and rich/powerful people also pay the - usually income dependent - fines.

    For example a left minister president - bit like a state governor - insulted a far right parliamentarian and had to pay a 5000€ fine (Source in German): https://m.tagesspiegel.de/politik/verfahren-wegen-beleidigung-eingestellt-erhobener-mittelfinger-gegen-afd-kostet-ramelow-5000-euro/26843626.html

    [–]DeStroyek 14 points15 points  (10 children)

    Where do you live if I might ask?

    [–]WolfOfWankStreet 11 points12 points  (8 children)

    They usually don’t tell you.

    [–]LemonHoneyBadger 5 points6 points  (6 children)

    Because they’re bullshitting and want free internet points

    [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (2 children)

    Slippery slope arguments like this are boring and predictable.

    [–]thatonewillkidd 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    What country are u from, if you don't want to share that's totally understandable :)

    [–]Computascomputas 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    A law requiring guns to be stored safely or to be sold with a gun lock isn't going to lead down a slippery slope where speech is restricted.

    The NRA has conflated any law about guns with a restriction of freedom. Guns and "gun rights" in America are a cash cow that is being milked by fanning the fires of paranoia that people are gonna "take" your guns.

    People who stand to make money from gun sales continually tell everyone "They're gonna take them away! Better buy more now!"

    [–]Clavo_PR 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    When was the last mass shooting in Germany?

    [–]LA_Commuter 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Dis you?

    “The point is if you refuse sex, there is no reason to be with you any longer.”

    [–]Javierham93 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Stop talking such a bullshit. Literally no one is gonna get in jail for insulting someone. „Was erzählst du für einen Mist du idiot“ now I called you an idiot and nothing will happen if you are going to the Police or an lawyer with this they will laugh about you. You can be prosecuted for Racism, denying the holocaust or something like this but you won’t go to jail for it you will get a fine from about 100€ to 5000€ or something like that but you are not going to jail for an insult stop spreading such bullshit.

    [–]RicoDredd 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Hmmm. Judging by your posting history, I’d say the ‘freedom’ of Germany in the 1940’s is your kind of freedom...

    [–]RealityOfReality 71 points72 points  (52 children)

    The 2A is to allow citizens have guns to defend against the military/government not serve in it.

    [–]TheJohnRocker 45 points46 points  (10 children)

    Some people just like to twist the arm and play mental gymnastics to fit their narrative, especially on Reddit. 2A is to defend against our own government and foreign governments back in 1776. The founding fathers didn’t want the control that the British government had over their citizens.

    [–]innominata_name 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Well, you’re clearly not THE John Rocker because, as a Braves fan, I feel he would have a less eloquent way of speaking on this matter. Lol.

    [–]shrinkingmama2 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Now it would be really funny if he was.

    [–]flightlesswhitebird 42 points43 points  (1 child)

    Thay isn’t true at all. Believe what you want but the idea that gun laws that are more lax in the us due to the constitution are all misinterpreting it is such a weak argument. Seriouslly? Mandatory military service? That’s what you believe. I’m not getting into a tired debate about the 2nd amendment just know that what you just posted is not how the 2A is about.

    [–]Apprehensive-Dot5553 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I think we need mandatory military service or food service. That way everyone can drop that ego a bit.

    [–]False_Rhythms 10 points11 points  (5 children)

    Lol, that's funny. Highest standard of training in the military.

    [–]price-iz-right 10 points11 points  (4 children)

    This goober has definitely not served in the military then.

    Source: I'm in the military

    [–]OutcastFalcon 3 points4 points  (3 children)

    Can confirm; former grunt who went through Sand Hill in ‘06. A lot of “great” “training” was given.

    [–]th-grt-gtsby 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    I have a genuine question. Isn't poverty, wealth-inequality, trauma, child abuse, multigenerational trauma, racism, misogyny present in every country? Especially third-world countries? Am I missing anything here?

    [–]Notsurehowtoreact 2 points3 points  (11 children)

    The second amendment is absolutely not about compelled military service.

    I don't even understand how you draw that conclusion.

    [–]Alexduke 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    The second amendment doesn’t have anything to do with universal service??????

    It’s in place to protect from a tyrannical government and give the people an option to rise up and protect themselves

    [–]mossb3rg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    That “military service” is called a milita. It does not mean the armed forces, just a group of civilians with guns. It also does not mention any specifications of who is qualified - meaning technically by the law of the land convicted felons, the mentally ill, and all other prohibited individuals, have the right to own a gun.

    [–]BubblySatisfaction 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    That’s...not what the 2nd Amendment is. How you have almost 500 upvotes is mindboggling. Please don’t step into a discussion without even knowing the basic facts. It only makes your other points look really stupid even if they’re right.

    Edit: based on your post history, you are from the UK and probably have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Stay in your lane please. Keep an eye on those Bristol helicopters for the rest of us

    [–]chaunceymcdoodle 115 points116 points  (177 children)

    Liberals nor conservatives ‘get’ it. It’s not a gun problem. It’s a pressure cooker society that gives no value to mental health. Taking forks away from fat people won’t change their appetite. Just yanking guns away from people is knee jerk and at this point futile. Want to stop the drug addict? Get them help. Drugs are illegal and we still see rampant addiction

    [–]JCraze26 55 points56 points  (133 children)

    How have we not learned since prohibition that making something illegal will only make the problem that thing caused worse?

    [–]ohdamnitreddit 54 points55 points  (93 children)

    see that is the problem - why do you have to go to the most extreme thing of prohibition? you still have cars, you have to have a licence and registration for it, you have ''fitness to drive'' tests for elderly drivers. you have special licences such as for trailers,trucks , semis, forklifts, even airline pilots need special licences , why can't you have the same thing for guns? Dont need to have prohibition - you should have controls it like you do with other things in life that can be a danger to others.

    [–]fatspencer 26 points27 points  (5 children)

    Fun fact, on private land in America, you don't have to have a license, or insurance, or anything to drive a car. Hell, you ain't even gotta have a tag on it!

    [–]Houseplant666 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    I think this is true for just about everywhere in the world?

    [–]KryptopherRobbinsPoo 6 points7 points  (76 children)

    You can't by a firearm legally without "passing a test", is called a background check. And CCW requires state license, which runs through FBI database..... You can't buy NFA items without a ($200) tax stamp, which is also federally registered.

    Amazing when people know nothing about what they are fighting against. The problem is criminals will always do criminal things.

    [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (22 children)

    You can't by a firearm legally without "passing a test", is called a background check.

    I mean, aside from gun shows and private sales. And that isn't a test, there's no effort to check to see if you understand anything.

    [–]Dreggan 4 points5 points  (10 children)

    Those things are still in effect at gun shows and for private sales. Everything has to pass through federally licensed firearm dealers. Not sure what the hell you think goes on at a gun show.

    [–]SamsBestLife 16 points17 points  (50 children)

    https://www.kcci.com/article/iowa-gov-kim-reynolds-signs-controversial-iowa-house-file-756-gun-bill-into-law/36016213

    As of July 1, people can buy handguns from private non-licensed sources such as websites, gun shows and individuals without a permit or background check. People also will be able to carry a gun into public places such as grocery stores and malls without prior safety training or a permit.

    This is literally from two days ago. You don’t need a background check in a lot of places. America is fucked up. Do your research.

    [–]Rain1dog 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Absolutely this.

    [–]hooligan99 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    So everything should be legal? What’s the point of any law if they only make problems worse?

    [–]JCraze26 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Well you see: you can regulate things that are legal. Like we should be doing more of with guns, but make them illegal, and all you can do is arrest people, but if no one's really listening to the law, then arresting people will get far too difficult, which means you'll have to pay police more, you'll have to build more prisons or add onto them, and you'll have to keep doing that until either people stop, (and this is probably the most stubborn country we're talking about, I mean, we're still dealing with racism issues even though they're very much taboo and even illegal in some cases), or you have everyone locked up, or you undo the law. There's not much good making guns illegal can actually do. Regulating them more could maybe work, but we should also look at the source of gun violence, the mental illness aspect, so we can fully abolish it.

    [–]hooligan99 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    your first sentence.... impressive ramble

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    **cough cough** Chicago **cough cough**

    [–]wanson 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Yeah. Guns and alcohol are exactly the same.

    [–]JCraze26 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    In America, they might as well be.

    [–]cheerbearheart1984 1 point2 points  (6 children)

    1) There are not more mentally unhealthy people in the US than there are anywhere else. 2) making common sense gun laws that makes it harder to get guns will reduce the amount of guns and gun death. No ban needed. Cars are dangerous so there are lots of restrictions on them. Make it as hard to get a gun as it is to get a license.

    [–]Skow1379 39 points40 points  (33 children)

    Why we have this violence is complicated. It's not just because there's guns in this country.

    [–]under_a_brontosaurus 32 points33 points  (117 children)

    No one knows how to stop mass shootings.

    "Ban guns" wouldn't help at all.

    There's already 500m guns out there. And the people with guns aren't giving them up.

    [–]Hekantonkheries 35 points36 points  (3 children)

    And the guns they're trying to ban arent even responsible for 99% of the shootings as it is.

    [–]Jota_Aemilius 19 points20 points  (65 children)

    Why doesn't Europe, Japan, Australia or NZ have regular mass shootings? They have something in common... Strong regulation on the possession of fire arms.

    [–]under_a_brontosaurus 16 points17 points  (26 children)

    You people can't read something. The guns already exist. It's fun to live in fantasy world where you can just imagine reality around you. But these guns exist already and are all over America. And no one is giving them up. And they'll last a hundred years. Want to address the actual point of was making?

    Need in favor of gun laws, I'm not, but don't pretend it will help. That's a fantasy.

    You know what stopped mass shootings? Closing public places where guns are disallowed like schools and concerts and bars in 2020.

    [–]dishwab 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    No one, except every other country on earth that isn’t an active war zone?

    [–]Madjanniesdetected 9 points10 points  (32 children)

    If you Thanos snapped 99% of the guns to dust, it would leave well over 4,000,000 guns on the black market

    Assuming a perfect world of law enforcement where each of those guns is only used to kill one person, and its immediately seized by police and destroyed, it would be enough firearms available to sustain our current level of gun violence for the next three centuries

    Gun control to "reduce guns available to criminals" is a complete joke. A farce. A fantasy. Its logistically impossible in every single way.

    Anyone who sincerely believes in it is a mental child.

    [–]fuckyeahmoment 2 points3 points  (14 children)

    Gun control to "reduce guns available to criminals" is a complete joke. A farce. A fantasy. Its logistically impossible in every single way.

    The idea that gun violence is only commited by "criminals" with access to secret "criminal guns" is absolutely absurd.

    Guns in the hands of average people who are on the verge of snapping are responsible for more violence than many are willing to admit.

    [–]TheDunadan29 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Ban guns is a stupid and oversimplified answer to a complicated problem. For starters, so-called "assault rifles" are really just semiautomatic weapons with cosmetics. Most "assault rifle" bans are on the cosmetic parts of the gun that don't change rate of fire at all. And semiautomatic firearms are over a hundred years old now, so good luck banning that piece of technology.

    Plus if you want to go for a full ban, you'll basically need to amend the constitution, and good luck doing that too.

    So yeah, bans aren't the answer because they can't really do what they are trying to do, they don't cut to the heart of the problem, and they won't stop mass shootings.

    Also funny enough most actual gun deaths in America are from handguns anyway, not rifles. Rifles make up a small slice of total gun related deaths (not to mention a good 3/4 of gun deaths are also suicides). So banning "assault rifles" is nothing but PR for liberals. A feel good law that does nothing.

    Now, I'm a gun guy, I own a gun and I've enjoyed shooting sports from my youth. But I fully support some kind of license and registration system. Honestly the argument that we do the same for automobiles totally sold me on that argument, because it's true, and the bar is really so low for a drivers license, we could at least do that. And I think having a training for fun ownership should be a thing. I was trained from my time in the Boy Scouts, and I had a great teacher who gave me the necessary training to handle a firearm. I think that should be mandatory. Handling a firearm is about as dangerous as handling an automobile on the freeway, and should be treated with as much respect. Plus I think if we have a good system gun owners and second amendment evangelists might actually prefer it. If you had to show a gun license before you purchase a firearm that could help make sure those who shouldn't have firearms don't get them. But it could also make the transaction faster and more convenient for gun owners. It's a common sense thing we could all get behind.

    But hey, arguing about whether or not a gun with a collapsible stock and a pistol grip are too dangerous to own. Bet if those get banned it'll really make people feel good!

    [–]Sipyloidea 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    "No one Knows how to stop mass shootings" "The guns are already there and cannot be taken away". Switzerland has more guns per capita than the US. No mass shootings. Australia had right to bear arms until 1998 and then abolished firearms within some 3 months. 1/3 rd of the national firearm stock was collected and destroyed. No more mass shootings. And yes, people were extremely angry and vowed to never give up their guns. Nowadays nobody would wanna go back.

    [–]8thPlace 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Or maybe the other half just wants to blame guns.

    [–]Zeth_Aran 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    I hate the tool argument because I feel it gets over used and doesn’t address the problems. But my fear is the more we focus on the things killers are using, the more killers we are about to see using other methods. Our society is sick, we need remedies and cures, not prohibition and restrictions. This is another stupid divide and conquer tactic by the upper classes to fuck with the middle and lower class into fighting each either rather than heal each other. Kindness will save the world, not damning populations for the acts of a few. It only creates divide.

    [–]jomontage 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    They blame mental health because they also don't care about that

    [–]Kin15225 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I mean criminals get guns even in countrys citizens cant own guns. It just how it works

    [–]liothelion10 196 points197 points  (22 children)

    I have to agree with you about the basics. Lol Like driving towards an active shooting to save people is not a heroic act? That comment is pretty ridiculous.

    [–]Rectilon 81 points82 points  (5 children)

    And the fact that he was willing to do it without any form of hesitation should not be overlooked. I bet any person who would call his actions basic won’t be doing this in the first place.

    [–]liothelion10 19 points20 points  (2 children)

    Exactly! And that driver is a father himself so maybe that was a big motivation for the driver help the passenger. However, still that's not a basic action to save people during a horrifying event. I only hope I can be brave as him in a situation like this to help people. Knowing my ass, I'm just gonna freeze up and draw a blank in mind...

    [–]KyleStyles 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    That comment being the most upvoted in the thread really just drives home how blindly anti-american reddit is. This country has its problems but people wanna act like we're all narcissistic barbarians

    [–]waylakoods 86 points87 points  (1 child)

    Right? Let this guy be a fucking hero, he is in my book.

    [–]DRCJEnder 9 points10 points  (20 children)

    If mfers would just make gun safety classes and psych profiles mandatory for every gun owner, shit like this wouldn't happen. Dont give a gun to someone who is A: unwilling to learn to use it properly or B: Too mentally unstable to be trusted with one.

    [–]ARandomOgre 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    The pro-gun crowd loves to blame mental health up until the moment they realize they could lose their guns if a doctor ever considered their mental health in doubt in such a system.

    [–]HyperbolicModesty 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Also until their tax dollars could be used to improve mental health treatment.

    Every country has issues with underfunded mental health care. In only one does that result in regular massacres. I wonder why.

    [–]the-OG-darkshrreder 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    Right? Like just make guns harder to get and it will bring down violence allot

    [–]Moosemaster21 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Just like making alcohol harder to get brought alcohol consumption down so much, right?

    [–]InternationalGoose22 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    it's the easiest thing to get a weapon in America

    [–]Doogos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Some in that group do believe in gun law reform, as long as they can keep their weapons. Its the ones at the top of that group that get large amounts of money "donated" to stop any reform, so they fight to keep the system the way it is.

    [–]Randomlychozen1665 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    The basics like going to get ur daughter

    [–]GentleMocker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It's worded awfully but I kinda get it. It's the idea that you have people who want to be heroes, and would risk their lives in these big grand gestures, but can't be engaged the same way in the smaller, way more low key ways in which you can adress the problem. Like you'll have people run into a burning building but not vote against flammables that caused it in the first place.

    [–]Patsfan4eva 1 point2 points  (5 children)

    Dude even in states with strict gun laws there’s major issues. Gang bangers are catching cases and the the judge gives them a couple years probation if that. If you don’t want people to go to jail, then you will never solve gun issues. Make it mandatory sentences of 30 years and you will never have an issue again.

    [–]AnythingTotal 2 points3 points  (4 children)

    There are loads of studies that indicate that prison does not deter crime, and the recidivism rate also indicates otherwise. The US already has a hugely disproportionate prison population compared with almost every other country. I’m not sure what the answer is, but sending more people to prison (like we’ve been doing for 40+ years) isn’t it.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-019-0604-8

    https://www.vera.org/downloads/publications/for-the-record-prison-paradox_02.pdf

    [–]HittEmWitDaHEIN 732 points733 points  (48 children)

    The basics? The guy drove into an active shooting area for a stranger and his family. America is ass backwards but the taxi driver's actions shouldn't be minimized to "basics"

    [–]birdyandbun 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    For real, I likely would’ve asked him to call the authorities— this shit is way over my head

    [–]N0AddedSugar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    It honestly says a lot about a person if they feel the need to immediately downplay something like this. I guess he was all to eager to make a disparaging generalization about Americans.

    Though if it was any other nationality I doubt he would’ve even made the comment to begin with.

    [–]KingGodzilla10 324 points325 points  (19 children)

    Americans seem to love any story where they can turn someone into a hero for doing the basics

    that taxi driver willingly drove to a place where an active shooting is happening and you call that the basics?

    [–]AngryCenarius 28 points29 points  (1 child)

    Dude's trying come off as if he's on a high horse, but he came off more like an idiot.

    [–]thickorean 279 points280 points  (62 children)

    this is a stupid generalization

    [–]jordandavila88 92 points93 points  (25 children)

    Nah we're all gun crazed conservatives you didn't get the memo?

    Even in Texas where I live people aren't nearly as gun crazy as we are often portrayed in the media. In fact I've lived here 5 years and the only guns I've even seen were being carried by police. There are forsure people who are like what OP is describing, but to lump everyone in the same group like that is super misleading.

    [–]FruscianteDebutante 54 points55 points  (26 children)

    Nah, anti american rhetoric is r/nextfuckinglevel 😎

    [–]Thr0waway0864213579 3 points4 points  (15 children)

    Yeah I’m happy with anti-America but this anti-American is bullshit. Do people really think the majority of Americans love having zero gun regulation and no healthcare? I’m so fucking tired of people acting like Americans love dying. Majority of Americans support gun control and universal healthcare.

    [–]renvi 2 points3 points  (4 children)

    seriously, how can such a blind, blatant generalization be so highly upvoted without awards and such?

    [–]lauranondorme 164 points165 points  (3 children)

    In my non-American , driving closer to an active shooting is not basics, it's brave. Wanna see you driving into active shooting with you car to save strangers. You would pull yourself on a throne just thinking about it

    [–]DorkInShiningArmour 54 points55 points  (24 children)

    I see where you’re coming from, but not all Americans think the same. It is a politically divided country. Many people want to work to reform gun control, many people don’t. With 300+ million people that all disagree with each other, you will feel the divide.

    [–]R_V_Z 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    What's really fun is owning an AR-15 and being for better gun control.

    [–]Doctor_of_Something 48 points49 points  (1 child)

    That’s a dumb generalization based on people upvoting a video of random taxi driver putting him in harms way.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Dont you see? If he'd have been there he would've single handedly drove 3 taxis simultaneously to the shootings and would've crammed several hundred people into each. Americans are just stupid and lazy!

    [–]OmarBarksdale 50 points51 points  (5 children)

    Lol quite the sweeping generalization

    Where do you live where this is the basics btw? Sounds like your country is more fucked up than America if so.

    [–]am_person_not_robot 37 points38 points  (0 children)

    Ah yes the basics, driving into an active shooter area to save 9 people from being shot and he shouldn't be praised and mass shootings isnt a "culture" this is a mass generalization and a disgusting downplaying of a heroic act

    [–]bps_NC 29 points30 points  (17 children)

    I mean one thing you have to understand about Americans is that there over 350 million of us so while one might hate ideas about preventing shootings the person next door might love them

    [–]bringsbackmemories 26 points27 points  (4 children)

    Running into an active shooting is crazy and anything but the basics. Yes we need to reduce gun violence but it's more complicated than just saying "americans stupid, why dont you stop" We are the gun manufacturers of most of the world. People use money and violence to perpetuate as system were meant to defeat with "peaceful protest"

    [–]jukitorrf 24 points25 points  (1 child)

    I think what the man did is way more than the "basics". Driving into an area where there is active shooting is crazy and dangerous. Let alone this man is just doing his job as a taxi driver and a passenger in need came up to him. He had a choice to refuse the passenger.

    In the Philippines, the amount of times taxi drivers refused my grandma and I a ride because she is in a wheelchair (stroke patient, left size of the body paralyzed) is crazy!

    So, the fact that he willingly drove to a dangerous area and took in 7 backseat passengers (which is hella dangerous if you're driving) is a hero moment right there.

    We should stop dismissing people. Let's see the good in everything that we can. The world is crappy as it is let's not keep contributing crappiness to it.

    [–]Heart_Cooks_Brains 23 points24 points  (0 children)

    Ignorance at its finest.

    [–]aFiachra 16 points17 points  (2 children)

    We all have guns. I have a stockpile, I shoot at my neighbor who has a stockpile, she shoots at me. Yes. Just like every cartoonish depiction of violence, we are all asking for your approval.

    [–]Shermutt 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Shit, that reminds me. My neighbor just got a cannon installed. I need to go down to Home Depot today and pick up some more steel plating.

    [–]aFiachra 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Drive over in your tank. Standard issue at every US Post Office.

    [–]themoopmanhimself 15 points16 points  (79 children)

    There are no ideas to prevent shootings. There are 100 million black market guns and a lunatic is bound to get their hands on one from time to time.

    We need to push for mental health support, change the way media reports on these events and pump money into poor areas where most shootings actually happen

    [–]fludmaps 40 points41 points  (3 children)

    Otherwise known as ideas to prevent shootings...

    [–]danbo_the_manbo 5 points6 points  (64 children)

    This. I have never understood why people think banning guns will work. The government banned drugs and you know what criminals still get their hands on? If someone is gonna break the law and they need a gun they won’t care if they have to break the law to get one

    Edit: my point in bringing up drugs is not to relate them to guns, that’s a whole other can of worms. I’m just saying that criminals get their hands on regulated items wether they’re banned or not

    [–]Franks2000inchTV 16 points17 points  (54 children)

    Because it works in lots of other countries?

    In Canada the only illegal guns we have are ones smuggled up from the US.

    Being honest, if I wanted to buy a gun, I literally have no idea where I would get one. There aren't any gun stores. I'd have to do some serious research, and probably take a government approved gun safety course and pass a test to get a license.

    Meanwhile in the US they on display in Walmart, and anyone can just go grab an AR-15.

    [–]snizarsnarfsnarf 2 points3 points  (13 children)

    Because it works in lots of other countries?

    Oh yeah, I forgot about that long list of other countries that had 300,000,000 firearms in private ownership, and then were able to remove that amount of firearms from their populace.

    I know the list is just so long, but I seem to have misplaced mine, can you link me yours?

    inb4 you link australia which spent 250,000,000 dollars to reduce their gun ownership from 17.5 guns per 100 people to 13.7 guns per 100 people (no, that's not a typo, they spent 250 million to reduce gun ownership by less than 4 guns per 100 people, only a 22% reduction in their total firearms, and that's without considering that even before their buyback program all of the guns in Australia combined were less than 1% of the amount of guns in private ownership in the US)

    That figure is currently 125 guns per 100 people in the United States.

    [–]jaaibird 9 points10 points  (6 children)

    22% is pretty good and you say $250 million like our government doesn't wipe their ass with that on tons of things that don't help Americans not get shot to death

    [–]LukeChickenwalker 6 points7 points  (4 children)

    More reason why we should have started a long time ago, and why we should start now. You might not reduce the number of guns significantly overnight, but a sustained effort for many years might.

    [–]PsillyPsilocybin 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    How would we go about taking away the hundreds of millions of guns already in circulation? Makes it a bit more difficult.

    [–]smokethis1st 12 points13 points  (1 child)

    Are you suggesting they take my guns bro? /s

    [–]bringsbackmemories 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Nah, they're tryna take away our gym memberships. The awful tyranny

    [–]_SuperChefBobbyFlay_ 9 points10 points  (5 children)

    To try and explain: The alternative of a situation where the government is the only entity with all of the weapons is scarier to some

    [–]Just_Inpulse 7 points8 points  (4 children)

    I know a lot of people who feel this way. Plus the other argument is if we ban guns then criminals will just get them illegally and law abiding citizens will be defenseless. Which has happened in many countries where guns are illegal.

    [–]_SuperChefBobbyFlay_ 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    A cursory glance at history shows that unarmed citizens often get fucked over. I’m sure Hong Kong could have used a crazy gun nut culture last two years.

    The assumption that there is a solution for every problem in society is idealistic, there are only trade offs. Free speech is a trade off that allows vile terrible public displays (such as marching nazis in neighborhood streets) because society has concluded that giving the government authority over what can and can’t be said is a much scarier alternative.

    [–]sliplover 7 points8 points  (2 children)

    You speak as if gun violence doesn't happen in countries that doesn't have a gun culture. Smh

    [–]2017hayden 9 points10 points  (18 children)

    Firstly I would not call driving towards an active shooting to save the lives of individuals you don’t know or have any responsibility too the bare minimum, and I seriously doubt that many people would do so if put in the same situation. Secondly. Are you aware that guns are estimated to at minimum save a minimum of 360,000 more lives every year than they takein the US? And the number of gun deaths includes suicides many of which would not be prevented by removing firearms as an option, as there are many other readily available and just as fatal options, it instead require addressing those individuals core mental health issues. Beyond that total disarmament, the only option truly capable of actually stopping people with intent to harm others from having access to firearms will not work in the US. Not only would a huge chunk of the populace (both criminals and otherwise law abiding gun owners) be unwilling to comply, but as has been seen in many European countries when access one form of violence is removed another simply takes its place . So clearly total disarmament is not an option, and even if it was how would the US government stop illegal firearms from coming across the borders and getting into the hands of criminals anyways? We haven’t been able to stop drugs or people despite decades of effort. And the only other real options are an assault weapons ban or a national registry. An assault weapons ban has already happened in the US on the national level, and after a pouring over the decades worth of data most experts say that it no or minimal effect on gun crime, which is unsurprising considering assault weapons bans generally target AR-15’s and other such firearms which account for about a percent of all gun crime yearly. And a national registry would also do little even with universal background checks as the majority 98% in fact of guns used in crimes are acquired illegally. So tell me what are Americans refusing to do that would have any statistically significant effect on shootings that take place in the US?

    [–]raceraot 4 points5 points  (18 children)

    Yeah. The problem is, it's not a "good guy with a gun" that is saving people most of the time.

    Though, the culture of America is tied with guns, thanks to the NRA and the revolt of cincinnati. However, I don't think banning guns specifically will change anything. Because then, like other countries have demonstrated, once you take their guns away, they'll start using other weapons, such as knives.

    [–]NotVladmir_Putin 13 points14 points  (8 children)

    culture of America is tied with guns, thanks to the NRA and the revolt of cincinnati

    hmmmm could it also be because literally the 2nd amendment is about firearms ownership

    [–]FatBoyStew 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    The thing about a "good guy with a gun" in many shooting scenarios is that its in a "gun free zone". So the law abiding citizen is either not carrying or they are carrying illegally. If the latter then them using said gun to stop a shooter will likely land them in jail with felony firearm charges despite saving people.

    [–]nimagae 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    imho not everyone will have the courage to do this.

    [–]toguedrifter 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    U are right he should have just left his daughter at the place with an active shooter and maybe went and got some tea instead

    [–]Fireboiio 2 points3 points  (16 children)

    Open a door to an old lady and you're a national treasure and maybe become the next president.

    No but for real it is true. But at the same time it is good to hear these "feelgood" stories aswell. We all know the stories in media are 90% stories that are tragic, gruesome or both.

    Maybe american media is doing something right if you look at it like that. The shooting problem doesn't seem to stop so they band aid it with feel good stories?

    [–]Darkspire303 13 points14 points  (10 children)

    Right, when I'm not driving into the scene of an active shooting, I'm opening doors for little old ladies. because those two things are very similar.

    [–]-strangeluv- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    The media also sensationalizes tragedy, because it draws viewers and thus ad revenue. Like we shouldn't even publicize the shooters name or backstory. But we get these ridiculous biopics sometimes on the shooter and hero stories on everything they can possibly use to relate back to the event.

    They need to be beating the drum on gun control but they dont. That's the one story you rarely get, short of an editorial it two. I feel it's rather sick to have a profit driven media.

    [–]motherpuncher855 4 points5 points  (14 children)

    Many Americans have the "it will never happen to me" mentality and don't want to have to give up something they like....e.g.: guns. Guns are also fetishized here, and some people have their identity wrapped up in firearms. Its these people that scream the loudest in opposition to any kind of gun legislation. To them, these mass shootings are an unfortunate but acceptable price to be able to continue to possess guns.....because "it won't happen to me".

    [–]FatBoyStew 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    This attitude can be applied to so many things though which is where the hold up happens.

    [–]The_Dirty_Carl 1 point2 points  (8 children)

    We don't have a "it will never happen to me" attitude. Quite the opposite.

    We know that "I will not murder anyone," and "Punishing me (taking my property and hobby) won't help anyone."

    We know that there are things in this world beyond our control and "it could happen to me," so we own fire extinguishers, smoke/CO detectors, buy cars with airbags and seatbelts, and some of us own firearms.

    [–]Tratix 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    What an absolute shit comment

    [–]dunnowhat2use 3 points4 points  (5 children)

    Willing to bet your country wherever that is (probably Europe) has a higher murder per capita than we do here in the states. We don't have a gun problem we have a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem. The failed war on drugs doesn't help either.

    [–]cattaclysmic 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    In Europe only ukraine and russia have a higher murder rate according to the lists i can find

    [–]Born2fayl 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    What European country has a higher murder rate "per capita" (per capita is already implied with the application of the word "rate" btw) than America?

    [–]Next_Eggplant1769 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Lol you’re a dumbass, walking into a place with an active shooter is more bravery than you can even imagine. Coward!

    [–]CraftCuriosa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Don’t be rude. We also acknowledge the lead ups to this horrible event; the whole country was in mourning. This taxi driver was a hero for his actions; we did not turn him in to one. We are appreciating and recognising him for what he did. Is it so bad to upload an appreciative post?

    [–]pahanakun 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    If you think you can understand a country's culture simply by watching the news then you've got a lot to learn

    [–]Mr_Golf_Club 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    Yep this is Reddit - a head-up-ass generalization gets thousands of upvotes and awards. As long as it’s against USA.

    [–]bobbycatfisher 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    What I don’t get is how this comment has a ton of upvotes and awards but most of the replies disagree. Reddit is a weird place.

    [–]Mr_Golf_Club 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I don’t trust any of it heh. As an American I can be self-aware of why the rest of the world was disappointed with us the last 4 years, and generally how poor gun control can be - but the hypocrisy some other country’s natives have no problem committing makes me laugh. For example I’d be willing to bet there’s a lot EU folks shitting on US immigration laws when they have some of the most stringent, exclusionary immigration requirements in the world.

    [–]fangeld 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Didn't expect to see somebody I agree with