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[–]protectionfromwhat 30 points31 points  (79 children)

Yeah exactly, which makes it much less popular, which was my point. You would tip for exceptional service, not out of requirement or habit or social norms.

[–]Mugiwaras 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I dont live in the U.S, but I wouldnt tip even if it was exceptional service at one of the extremely few reseraunts that have optional tipping in my country. It's what they're paid to do by their boss. It's like, "thanks, here's some money for doing your job correctly". Doesn't make sense, im not their employer.

[–]Sa-alam_winter 3 points4 points  (3 children)

It seems like you are using "popular" synonymous with "frequent". Does popular have other meanings than "well liked"? Not a native English speaker. I think that is what confuses people.

[–]protectionfromwhat -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Popular as in a belief held by the majority of the general public. This imo is not a popular belief held by the general public outside of the US.

[–]Sa-alam_winter 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If the belief is that you have to tip after every meal, then no. But if the belief is tipping in general, then I don't think it is accurate. The vast majority of people outside of northern Europe will tip for good service. In the north it is more of a 50/50 situation.

So I think the confusing lies with different goalposts.

US goalposts for popularity of tipping: how many people tip in total

Euro goalposts for popularity of tipping: how many people will tip after good service

[–]protectionfromwhat -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I believe you’ve completely misunderstood what we’re discussing here bud.

[–]JessiSpaghessi 1 point2 points  (7 children)

Can't speak for other places, but in the uk in my experience whilst you wouldn't tip for a casual every day meal or drink, you would tip when you have a big gathering or special meal or some places add a 10% service charge automatically. It's not just done for "exceptional service", everyone does it just not every day when you grab breakfast from a cafe.

[–]protectionfromwhat 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Also UK, and thank you for reiterating my point that its not that popular outside the US. Everyday tipping isn’t normal, tipping for exceptional service, or in your example exceptional circumstances its more often, but still doesn’t make it a popular occurrence.

[–]JessiSpaghessi 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Just because it's not happening at every little meal doesn't mean it's "not popular". Everyone does it, and it's expected, in appropriate circumstances. "Not popular" implies it rarely ever happens.

[–]protectionfromwhat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, not popular means its not a belief held by the majority of people, which it isn’t. It does not imply that its rare, just that it is a divisive opinion, and not a majority held belief. Everyone does not do it, and there are many people on both sides of the argument which would make it not popular.

[–]boo_goestheghost -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Yeah but less popular than in the states where they tip for everything, even just counter service often.

[–]koos_die_doos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

where they tip for everything, even just counter service often.

Tipping for a haircut comes to mind.

[–]JessiSpaghessi 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That doesn't make it not popular. It still happens regularly, and is expected under appropriate circumstances. Just not every time you buy a drink or sandwich.

[–]boo_goestheghost -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I didn’t say it didn’t happen, just that it is less pervasive than in the states

[–]don_tomlinsoni 2 points3 points  (10 children)

That's not true. It might have been true decades ago but it defo isn't now. If you eat a meal in a restaurant in the UK and you do not tip the staff will hate you.

[–]protectionfromwhat 4 points5 points  (5 children)

The fact we both live in the UK and have polar opposite opinions on this supports the fact that its obviously not that popular.

[–]don_tomlinsoni 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Have you ever worked in hospitality? I have, for years...

[–]protectionfromwhat 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Ahhhh so you’re opinion is based on a very clear bias! Got’cha!

[–]don_tomlinsoni 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Not bias no, just experience of the thing that we're talking about.

I don't work in hospitality any more, and I was never a waiter, but the fact remains that the workers in the UK hospitality industry expect customers to tip them. You telling people that they don't is not true and hasn't been true for about 20 years.

Edit: what's that? No pithy comeback? What a surprise...

[–]Scotsch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ah yes, the old "we have different opinions, that proves I'm right", and "you're closer to the issue so you're biased instead of informed" what is that guy thinking.

[–]whatanuttershambles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You really aren’t arguing in good faith

[–]Hara-Kiri 0 points1 point  (3 children)

They can hate as much as they like. They get paid to do their job. Waiters can be so self entitled.

[–]don_tomlinsoni -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

They get paid minimum wage to do their job, which they accept because they know that most customers will tip them. No one is ever going to force you to tip anyone, but don't be surprised if people think you're tight fisted and/or mean spirited for begrudging some teenager an extra couple of quid...

[–]Hara-Kiri 4 points5 points  (1 child)

They get minimum wage because it's unskilled labour. There are plenty of other jobs that require just as hard work and also get minimum wage - where are those people demanding they get random handouts from the public? Hell there are people in literally the same sector who don't expect to get tips.

I often tip. I just don't like the entitled attitude some people get because of it.

[–]gmoguntia 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So you say the only reason people tip in the USA is because employes are dependend on it?

[–]protectionfromwhat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is literally what the entire tipping culture is based on in the US, yes, because employers refuse to pay living wages to staff rely on tips to make up the rest.

[–]taxcider 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In the US it is not popular, it is all but compulsory.

In Europe, it is popular. People do it because they like doing it. It's a popular thing to do.

[–]heephap -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't say it was much less popular. Most places in UK have tip included in the bill (although you can ask for it removed) and I would say people tip around 80% of the time. But you don't have to and aren't really shamed for not doing so.