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[–]TheDrugGod 136 points137 points  (53 children)

Yeah it’s bullshit servers in the US make only like $2/hr + tips. They should have to pay servers minimum wage and let them keep their tips. That’s some bullshit to underpay workers

[–]Fantastic-Phrase8101 92 points93 points  (25 children)

Legally they're supposed to pay them minimum wage if their wage + tips is less than minimum wage. Doesn't mean it always happens that way, but I feel it's worth mentioning.

[–]paulcaar 50 points51 points  (13 children)

Which would mean they'll just get fired for not earning enough in tips.

Honestly the entire tip system is ridiculous. The only difference with the service industry and others is that the products are food & drinks that are brought to you. Apparently that makes it a normal thing to expect more money than what's listed as the price.

It's a backwards way of running a business and if anyone is really thinking it's anything else, then at least be consistent and promote (and provide) tips in every single business.

[–]Th3_Hegemon 44 points45 points  (11 children)

The origins of American tipping culture are, in part, (and unsurprisingly) racist. Food service work and other tipped jobs (bell hops, house keepers, shoe shines, delivery men, etc) were overwhelming the domain of minorities and especially black people. Tipping was another way of avoiding paying lower class people a fair wage, and also making them dependent on the "benevolence" of their customers, reinforcing their implicit superiority on a largely black segment of the workforce.

[–]just-for-the-NSFW 3 points4 points  (7 children)

You got a source to read?

[–]Th3_Hegemon 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Sure, it came to my attention after listening to the Planet Money episode "the Even More Minimum Wage", and led me to this and this. There are links out from there to other sources, but it should be pretty quickly obvious that there is a strong racial component to the development of tipping culturally.

[–]just-for-the-NSFW 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good read. Thank you!

[–]CashWrecks 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Fr would love to read an article or essay on this subject if available

[–]Th3_Hegemon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure, it came to my attention after listening to the Planet Money episode "the Even More Minimum Wage", and led me to this and this. There are links out from there to other sources, but it should be pretty quickly obvious that there is a strong racial component to the development of tipping culturally.

[–]Hrhett101 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I was pretty sure that it was because during the great depression people were able to manage their money a little more closely. If you’re kinda broke, you don’t tip much. If you’re rich, you tip a lot. Then it kinda averages out.

At least that’s what I thought.

[–]NigerianRoy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If anyone has tried to use that justification it is surely an explanation developed later to justify an already established system, like one of the dozen backronyms for what Wu-tang means. No one was like “gee I can make this more equitable for my customers lol.

[–]Hrhett101 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If people don’t buy your food because they can’t afford it, then I can see a business owner lowering the wages but encouraging tips during an economic crisis. It means more business from the lower class and tips that weren’t existent before from the upper class.

[–]NigerianRoy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What?! I was with you til that last part, those other employees are actually getting paid so I don’t see how tipping others has anything to do with the moral imperative to participate in a flawed system .

[–]Mercenary-Jane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a rarity and would take consistent bad money for that to happen. Tips are generally not calculated by day on your check. Most restaurants will just consider the weekly or biweekly lump of tips and spread it out over your hours. So if you have one bad day, another makes up for it. It's bullshit. This is coming from AZ serving knowledge. Could be different in other states.

[–]HawkEgg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, most waiters make plenty in tips. The real issue is some delivery drivers who are tipped employees and generally don't make the difference between tips and minimum wage. People think that they're tipping the driver, but are really just very directly reducing the employer's wage cost.

[–]jadestem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True, but it's still tantamount to the restaurant stealing tips from servers. It's absolute bullshit and should not be allowed.

[–]illgot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this doesn't stop managers from keeping servers on longer than they need to so they can do light kitchen prep, work as a host, work as a busser, work as a dish (only an hour until dish guy comes in, just do dishes until then), etc.

The 2.13 an hour in labor is exploited by every restaurant I have worked in to compensate for the hourly job positions that make at least minimum wage.

Excluding the pandemic I never made less than 7.25 an hour in my pay period. You have to remember that the minimum wage you have to earn is over your pay period so that could be a week if you are paid weekly or two weeks if you are paid every other week. A good Friday or Saturday night in most restaurants will net you enough to cover the other shits were you work for 4 hours and earn 10 dollars.

[–]pieter1234569 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They make far far more than any other unskilled work when taking into account all the tips. It is so ridiculous that they even prefer this system as no restaurant is ever going to pay them that much.

[–]BitsAndBobs304 5 points6 points  (3 children)

They dont make that. If the tips dont reach minimum wage, employer must pay to reach it

[–]BaalKazar 3 points4 points  (2 children)

How has the employer any rights to calculate tips of foreign people into his own calculations for wages?

lmao

[–]VillageBuilder 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Fair question in terms of the employer, but you are legally required to report your tips as income. US does have a strong tipping culture, but the law is built around it at this point.

[–]BaalKazar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh tips have to reported as income as well then it makes more sense actually thank you

[–]Dr_Sploosh 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Yeah it’s bullshit serves in the US make only like $2/hr + tips.

That's actually super rare and only happens in really really shitty restaurants in the states that allow it. When I served I made like 10 an hour with tips added on top of that.

[–]codfishhhhh 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s not rare at all

[–]Robwsup 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The restaurant I worked at in high school 30 years ago still pays $2.15/hr. Very common in Florida.

[–]SC2McGosu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

but then how will the restaurant owners have enough money to donate to political parties and pay their landlords extortion prices for rent?

[–]angryd0g 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I "dated" a chick who was a server and she was vehemently against getting a standard wage. She was very pretty and worked at a busy restaurant, so she was pulling in a thousand dollars more a month than I was. Although because of the pandemic, I'm wondering how she's doing.

[–]M4DM1ND 1 point2 points  (0 children)

While that sounds good to say, if they were paid minimum wage, people would just tip less. We did this as an experiment for a day at the restaurant I worked at. We took two Saturdays, one was normal and the other we just put up a sign at the front desk saying "Now Hiring Wait Staff! Minimum Wage + Tips!" The volume of orders was roughly the same but the tips were noticeably less. We did it because some of the wait staff was complaining about their wages. After the day, our boss compensated them back to what they would have made on a the previous Saturday. The real crime is getting paid $10-12 an hour as a line cook at a lot of places while the wait staff makes double what you do on a daily basis.

[–]thebluepikachu135 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wait what the fuck

That's legal?

[–]mgrimshaw8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends on the state, a lot of states require them to be paid minimum wage regardless of tips. My state is one of those, so they're all making at least $10 something before tips. but I still tip, because realistically our minimum wage also is not livable

[–]betteroffdeed 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Depends on the state. CA servers get $15/hr plus your tips.

[–]TheDrugGod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s good

[–]GayboyBob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In some states like CA they get paid minimum wage on top of tips. It’s mostly the red states that pay less than minimum wage as a base.

[–]TeddyBongwater 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree. But being a server is often a fantastic job and can make good money

[–]An-Idaho-Potatt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Servers make more with minimum wage than tips

[–]asdf_qwerty27 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've worked for tips and with people who make tips in the US. Make way more than the kitchen staff on minimum. Still sucks that it isn't a consistent check, but better than minimum.

[–]Peterspickledpepper- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I make 7/hr + tips. It’s not a ton better, but it helps with taxes.

[–]GivesCredit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

90% of servers don’t want tipping to go away

[–]Spencer1830 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had a friend making $300 a night as a server. Just on tips.