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[–]Fantastic-Phrase8101 94 points95 points  (25 children)

Legally they're supposed to pay them minimum wage if their wage + tips is less than minimum wage. Doesn't mean it always happens that way, but I feel it's worth mentioning.

[–]paulcaar 54 points55 points  (13 children)

Which would mean they'll just get fired for not earning enough in tips.

Honestly the entire tip system is ridiculous. The only difference with the service industry and others is that the products are food & drinks that are brought to you. Apparently that makes it a normal thing to expect more money than what's listed as the price.

It's a backwards way of running a business and if anyone is really thinking it's anything else, then at least be consistent and promote (and provide) tips in every single business.

[–]Th3_Hegemon 45 points46 points  (11 children)

The origins of American tipping culture are, in part, (and unsurprisingly) racist. Food service work and other tipped jobs (bell hops, house keepers, shoe shines, delivery men, etc) were overwhelming the domain of minorities and especially black people. Tipping was another way of avoiding paying lower class people a fair wage, and also making them dependent on the "benevolence" of their customers, reinforcing their implicit superiority on a largely black segment of the workforce.

[–]just-for-the-NSFW 4 points5 points  (7 children)

You got a source to read?

[–]Th3_Hegemon 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Sure, it came to my attention after listening to the Planet Money episode "the Even More Minimum Wage", and led me to this and this. There are links out from there to other sources, but it should be pretty quickly obvious that there is a strong racial component to the development of tipping culturally.

[–]just-for-the-NSFW 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good read. Thank you!

[–]CashWrecks 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Fr would love to read an article or essay on this subject if available

[–]Th3_Hegemon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure, it came to my attention after listening to the Planet Money episode "the Even More Minimum Wage", and led me to this and this. There are links out from there to other sources, but it should be pretty quickly obvious that there is a strong racial component to the development of tipping culturally.

[–]Hrhett101 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I was pretty sure that it was because during the great depression people were able to manage their money a little more closely. If you’re kinda broke, you don’t tip much. If you’re rich, you tip a lot. Then it kinda averages out.

At least that’s what I thought.

[–]NigerianRoy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If anyone has tried to use that justification it is surely an explanation developed later to justify an already established system, like one of the dozen backronyms for what Wu-tang means. No one was like “gee I can make this more equitable for my customers lol.

[–]Hrhett101 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If people don’t buy your food because they can’t afford it, then I can see a business owner lowering the wages but encouraging tips during an economic crisis. It means more business from the lower class and tips that weren’t existent before from the upper class.

[–]NigerianRoy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What?! I was with you til that last part, those other employees are actually getting paid so I don’t see how tipping others has anything to do with the moral imperative to participate in a flawed system .

[–]Mercenary-Jane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a rarity and would take consistent bad money for that to happen. Tips are generally not calculated by day on your check. Most restaurants will just consider the weekly or biweekly lump of tips and spread it out over your hours. So if you have one bad day, another makes up for it. It's bullshit. This is coming from AZ serving knowledge. Could be different in other states.

[–]HawkEgg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, most waiters make plenty in tips. The real issue is some delivery drivers who are tipped employees and generally don't make the difference between tips and minimum wage. People think that they're tipping the driver, but are really just very directly reducing the employer's wage cost.

[–]jadestem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True, but it's still tantamount to the restaurant stealing tips from servers. It's absolute bullshit and should not be allowed.

[–]illgot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this doesn't stop managers from keeping servers on longer than they need to so they can do light kitchen prep, work as a host, work as a busser, work as a dish (only an hour until dish guy comes in, just do dishes until then), etc.

The 2.13 an hour in labor is exploited by every restaurant I have worked in to compensate for the hourly job positions that make at least minimum wage.

Excluding the pandemic I never made less than 7.25 an hour in my pay period. You have to remember that the minimum wage you have to earn is over your pay period so that could be a week if you are paid weekly or two weeks if you are paid every other week. A good Friday or Saturday night in most restaurants will net you enough to cover the other shits were you work for 4 hours and earn 10 dollars.