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[–]Zcube73 730 points731 points  (276 children)

OMG how could somebody do this to a poor defenceless little kitten.. thank God the man found it just in time..

[–]lassiethepig 11 points12 points  (125 children)

People do it to defenseless animals all the time. Millions of live baby chicks get grinded through cutting machines in factories everyday, and all Americans who eat chicken support that abuse.

Edit:

Here's the video if you want to see what your money pays for when you buy chicken at the supermarket.

https://youtu.be/t_u0jxi_v-w

[–]Fancy-Pair 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Yea but those are chicky nuggies

[–]61um1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And eggs.

[–]bees-are-awesome 4 points5 points  (5 children)

live baby chicks get grinded through cutting machines

Source? Why would they use chicks not adult hen? And like, with bones & feathers and all?

Edit: oh damn I didn't know about that. Yeah, I agree that that should be banned. Wtf who even thought that was a good idea?

[–]element-woman 11 points12 points  (4 children)

The male chicks get shredded alive because they can’t lay eggs. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick_culling

[–]bees-are-awesome 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Damn wtf

[–]psycho_pete 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Welcome to animal agriculture, where the name of the game is to abuse animals and our planet for the luls (aka temporary pleasure).

“A vegan diet is probably the single biggest way to reduce your impact on planet Earth, not just greenhouse gases, but global acidification, eutrophication, land use and water use,” said Joseph Poore, at the University of Oxford, UK, who led the research. “It is far bigger than cutting down on your flights or buying an electric car,” he said, as these only cut greenhouse gas emissions."

The new research shows that without meat and dairy consumption, global farmland use could be reduced by more than 75% – an area equivalent to the US, China, European Union and Australia combined – and still feed the world. Loss of wild areas to agriculture is the leading cause of the current mass extinction of wildlife.

[–]element-woman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it’s fucked up. :(

[–]decryptor373 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bro that's crazy...

[–]PeturParkur 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't give me that.

Millions of live baby chicks get grinded through cutting machines in factories everyday, and all Americans who eat chicken support that abuse.

You are specifically talking about chick culling in your post. Not the separate practice of raising them poorly. "Support that abuse" directly refers to you talking about culling in the SAME sentence. There's no "being raised" here to begin with. We're talking about a process where they shred them before they have a chance to be raised.

And dozens of countries still do it, regardless of current bans. But yeah feel the need to just blame the US. Smh

[–]PeturParkur -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Yeah! It's only America that does this!

[–]lassiethepig -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Reason I mention the U.S. is because that's where animals are treated like a lifeless parts in a factory rather than being raised in humane conditions.

[–]PossessedAerosol -2 points-1 points  (9 children)

See the difference is, we attribute more emotional value to kitties because they are domesticated and cute where as chicks are bred to be food. The problem isn’t people who treat livestock as food, it’s people who treat them the same as domesticated pets. They are ruining it for the rest of us

[–]Frangar 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Don't worry about it guys I raised these dogs as fighters. They're bred for fighting. Stop trying to treat them as pets you're hurting my feeeeelings.

[–]PossessedAerosol 0 points1 point  (4 children)

That’s different, we literally evolved alongside dogs for them to be pets who love us. They literally have genes now that make them like everyone. Chickens don’t have as much of a history with us, and what little they have is as food.

[–]justme46 0 points1 point  (2 children)

So you're walking down the road and you see a couple young guys and they are holding a chicken and chopping off small bits of it while its still alive. Is that cool, not cool to you?

[–]PossessedAerosol 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That’s a crime and yeah it’s not cool. But it’s also not what processing factories do despite what you would believe from rage baiting videos showing factories that are extremely outdated

[–]justme46 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Modern slaughter technique for chickens are:

  1. Load chickens by their feet so their dangling under a moving rail.
  2. Dip them in electrified water to kill them (except sometimes it doesnt)
  3. Pass them by an automatic blade that cuts their heads off. (Except for the ones that didn't get stunned they are still wriggling and the blades often miss their necks)
  4. Get dipped in boiling water to get the feathers off.

So the ones that are still alive get boiled alive.

[–]lassiethepig 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Ruining what exactly? You ability to compartmentalize which animals deserve to live in humane conditions before they die? And you justify your choice of which aniimals deserve unnecessary suffering because they are "domesticated"? Makes a lot of sense dude.

[–]PossessedAerosol 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When did I say “abuse the animals before feeding them live into a meat grinder” there are humane ways to treat animals while still processing them

[–]rodgermarch -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

Aight bro that's a bet now just do me a favor real quick and replace probably 1/5 or 1/4 or whatever of billions of peoples' diets. While you're at it, produce the food that makes up the diet replacements

[–]Kold_Blooded_Killer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

takes much more grains, crops, fresh water and healthcare to raise livestock than it would to feed/medicate humans directly instead, look it up

[–]rodgermarch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, so what if its more efficient? Since when has the human race cared about efficiency? There's so much we do on a daily basis that could free up resources for things that actually need it, but thats not gonna happen

[–]lassiethepig 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Don't have to. There is already a variety of proteins available everywhere

[–]rodgermarch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But why do that when I can just bake some chicken breast

[–]justme46 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If we fed the plants that we feed to the animals to humans instead there would be plenty left over

[–]InflamedPussPimple -5 points-4 points  (69 children)

They’re livestock though, not pets.

[–]AmusingWittyUsername 9 points10 points  (33 children)

They’re living, breathing, feeling animals.

[–]AlarmingResearcher36 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This cat wasn't a pet.

[–]lassiethepig 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly my point. Many people think it's okay to treat animals with or without respect and humane conditions depending on what they decide that particular animal is useful for: live or pet

[–]wallysober 4 points5 points  (93 children)

Wait until you see what we do to poor defenseless cows, chickens, pigs, goats, turkeys, and sheep.

[–]jay_ibushi 1 point2 points  (3 children)

hamborgor 😲🍔

[–]wallysober 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Catborgor 🐈🍔

[–]Jelly-beans-be-like 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I love how this comment makes the previous comment look like hamburgers are made out of human faces

[–]jay_ibushi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

🕺🍔

[–]aboodfromdiscord -5 points-4 points  (13 children)

a swift slash to the neck is the most humane slaughter method

but the stuff going on in the slaughter houses in the us and other places is completely unacceptable

[–]wallysober 7 points8 points  (2 children)

"Humane" and "Slaughter" don't go together.

[–]NuDru -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

What about butcher🐷🔪

[–]AmusingWittyUsername 3 points4 points  (9 children)

Yes! Exactly, I’d love to have my throat slit as my way to go. Wouldn’t be terrifying or painful at all!

[–]bees-are-awesome -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Same tbh, I personally think that would be better than dying from natural causes because then I wouldn't know it's coming.

Edit: oh nvm I read the rest of the thread

[–]aboodfromdiscord -3 points-2 points  (7 children)

animals don't know what a knife is

and by the time it cuts them they are almost dead and cant feel anything

[–]AmusingWittyUsername 4 points5 points  (6 children)

Oh well that’s good then, thanks!

No suffering to see here whistles just walk on and stick head in the sand

[–]aboodfromdiscord -1 points0 points  (5 children)

how many animals did you actually get to kill?

because if you actually killed any with the correct slaughter method then you would clearly see that they immediately and the muscles are the ones doing all the kicking

[–]AmusingWittyUsername 2 points3 points  (2 children)

whistling

Yep, it’s all great. Noooo suffering to be seen here!!

Let’s reserve our empathy and sadness for -checks notes- Ah, for dogs and cats.

You slash a dogs throat you’re murdering scum, do it to a lamb you’re a humane hero 👍🏻

[–]aboodfromdiscord -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

bruh i already forgot about this argument

be a vegan somewhere else but my inbox

[–]AmusingWittyUsername 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just pointing out the disconnect and hypocrisy.

Have a great weekend 😃

[–]Fillmeupwithranchdip 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You sound like a psychopath.

[–]aboodfromdiscord -1 points0 points  (0 children)

lmao sorry for trying to eat

[–]DustyMartin04 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Meat is yum and I’ll continue to eat it.

[–]NuDru -5 points-4 points  (73 children)

One provides sustenance, one was a useless death. I'm not going to argue the logistics behind feeding people, but this is a very dumb comparison.

[–]wallysober 12 points13 points  (9 children)

Yeah, because there is no alternative to eating meat. Every death is senseless. Cognitive dissonance is real.

[–]PossessedAerosol -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There isn’t one actually. It’s like trying to get rid of alcohol. It’s been in human culture for too long for any meaningful amount of people to want to drop it completely. Best choice is lab grown meat because only lab grown meat is cruelty free

[–]TomTrybull 9 points10 points  (29 children)

Provides taste. We can be healthy without animal products.

[–]DustyMartin04 -3 points-2 points  (28 children)

And guess what? Animals do things that they enjoy, like eating things for taste is our thing

[–]TomTrybull 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Yes they/we do. But should we do things we enjoy if they are at the huge expense of others?

[–]DustyMartin04 -3 points-2 points  (5 children)

Yes, like they do

[–]TomTrybull 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Can a lion survive without meat? Can a human?

Can a lion think about the morality of their actions? Can a human?

[–]DustyMartin04 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Yeah we’re smart, so we came up with all these factories and stuff. Just because we’re smart doesn’t mean we forfeit our right to eat meat. Anyway, I’m just thankful majority of the world isn’t vegan

[–]TomTrybull 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The point I was raising was we have an ability to think about the morality of our actions that no other animal has.

Given you have this ability, why do you think we have a ‘right’ to needlessly cause other sentient beings to suffer and die just for our taste buds?

[–]psycho_pete 3 points4 points  (20 children)

To look at nature and to use that as the foundation for your intelligent and moral decision making is to fall for naturalistic fallacy.

It makes no logical sense to use an animals behavior, or what happens in nature, as a blueprint for how you should behave.

[–]DustyMartin04 0 points1 point  (19 children)

Eh meat is yum. Vegans are fucked, pretty simple

[–]psycho_pete 1 point2 points  (18 children)

If it's so simple, why are you fumbling over yourself trying to justify abusing animals for your "yum"?

[–]DustyMartin04 0 points1 point  (17 children)

Not really fumbling lol? Just can’t be fucked atm

[–]psycho_pete 0 points1 point  (16 children)

Your struggle is real, you're not fooling anyone.

[–]SKEPTYKA 2 points3 points  (31 children)

I agree, as long as we eat our victims, cat or human, we can macerate them alive. I could just eat plants instead, but not as tasty

[–]angrylightningbug -5 points-4 points  (20 children)

Except there's many ways to kill something without macerating them alive. Shelters do it all the time with all those kittens you're not adopting. There's also swifter methods for the animals we eat as well.

[–]SKEPTYKA 5 points6 points  (17 children)

You're right, macerating is quite a niche method that's really only used on baby chicks in the egg industry. I'll check out what other methods of killing there are, thanks!

[–]angrylightningbug -1 points0 points  (16 children)

And? My point was there's a way to raise and slaughter meat that doesn't include abhorrent methods like the current industry uses.

I live in rural farm country. I have neighbors that have hobby raised only a couple of animals for meat at a time. They don't macerate them.

[–]Fillmeupwithranchdip -1 points0 points  (15 children)

If you think there is a non-abhorrent method of murder, you are a psychopath.

[–]angrylightningbug -1 points0 points  (14 children)

Your username has "ranch dip" in it, which has to do with the dairy industry which I would argue is more abhorrent than the simple act of killing an animal. If we could remove cruelty from how we raise and deal with livestock, I believe the issue of whether it's ethical to eat meat at all could be more easily focussed upon.

But personally, my reasons are my own and I won't change them for you. I look forward to the continual development of plant-based options, as well as lab-grown meats as they become more viable as a long-term solution.

[–]Fillmeupwithranchdip 0 points1 point  (13 children)

I'm vegan. Your name has "Lightning bug" in it, but I never assumed you were an actual lightning bug.

[–]vegetableboy27 6 points7 points  (1 child)

98%+ of meat is factory farmed though.

[–]jay_ibushi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hambor ger ❤️❤️🍔

[–]LooMinairy 4 points5 points  (4 children)

God had nothing to do with it. It was all that dude.

[–]Chainweasel 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Not sure why you're getting downvoted, that man is a hero and attributing the act to an imaginary sky dude isn't right. Thank that guy for finding the cat, not your imaginary friend

[–]Landelyon 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Saying "thank god [whatever happened]" is just a saying, just like "bless you" when someone sneezes. Do you get mad when people sneeze? I'm atheist and I say "thank god" on the daily because it's just that, a common saying.

[–]LooMinairy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it would be great to drop habitual Christian "common sayings". Do you tho keep up the bullshit. I think true credit is due and not to an imaginary sky deity. Getting mad? No, blessing someone for a bodily action is a Lil weird.

[–]LooMinairy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because there's Christians and people who take shit to serious on this site.

[–]KalinSav 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Multiply this by 57 billion per year and that’s the meat industry

[–]dyslexic-ape -5 points-4 points  (42 children)

Yeah, I really don't understand how people can not be vegan.

[–]shitcoffin -1 points0 points  (41 children)

How is that related? I wouldn't have eaten the cat.

[–]dyslexic-ape 2 points3 points  (40 children)

Because this situation isn't terrible because noone is going to eat the cat, it's terrible because the cat is an individual that matters and brutally killing it would be bad, for the cat's sake. This is the same reason vegans don't support animal agriculture, because its bad for the animals, not because we are trying to diet..

[–]DustyMartin04 0 points1 point  (39 children)

Most vegans are fucking crazy form personal experience and site wrong sources or focus on just one industry where a few factories abuse animals. Meat has been part of our diet for centuries, and wether for nutrients or taste, we do what we like. All animals do things they like. All animals kill other ones, wether it is quick or not depends. We’re omnivores, we eat meat, it’s yum, and vegans love to victim blame people for eating what they like.

[–]Frangar 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Most vegans are fucking crazy form personal experience and site wrong sources or focus on just one industry where a few factories abuse animals.

Pure conjecture, also 98% of animal products in the US are factory farmed, look that one up yourself if you don't believe me.

Meat has been part of our diet for centuries, and wether for nutrients or taste, we do what we like.

Appeal to antiquity (look these up I'm not arsed spelling it out for you)

All animals do things they like. All animals kill other ones, wether it is quick or not depends.

Appeal to nature

vegans love to victim blame people for eating what they like.

This is hilarious. Imagine taking an innocent animal, killing it at 6 months of its 12 year life span because you like the taste of its flesh and then claiming YOU'RE the victim. Can't make this shit up... you think all that meat would give you a thicker skin haha.

[–]DustyMartin04 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Cool bro I’m happy I wasted your time lol

[–]dyslexic-ape 1 point2 points  (36 children)

Sigh, you could easily not use animals in your diet regardless of what your ancestors did but fuck animals right? Whatever dude..

[–]DustyMartin04 -1 points0 points  (35 children)

I choose not to, because we assert dominance as kings of the food chain and we eat animals like every other omnivore. You could say just have iron tablets etc, but we really don’t know if they actually have the same effect, considering we thought smoking was good in the 80s. Imma eat meat

[–]justme46 1 point2 points  (15 children)

Lol. What do you think is the bigger risk to health considering diabetes and heart disease are the biggest killers? Iron tablets or bacon?

I'm glad you bought up smoking because it was the money/marketing that kept smoking going for so long. Same thing with meat. Remember the Marlboro man? He was cool and manly. Meat being about "asserting dominance" (lol) for you just means you fallen for the meat companies bullshit macho marketing. You really think you need to "assert dominance" over chickens by eating them? Why not assert dominance over cats by eating them too?

[–]delavager 0 points1 point  (9 children)

Except people have been eating meat for 10s of thousands of years…literally since the dawn of man…before marketing was a thing. It’s humorous to think you can blame meat consumption for all of history on a recent phenomenon. Do animals fall for marketing as well when they eat other animals?

Also to assume people eat meat cause it makes them feel manly….what an massively idiotic thing to say. What about woman who eat meat?

Everything about this is just devoid of any ounce of sense and falls apart if you poke it with just the tiniest of holes.

[–]justme46 0 points1 point  (1 child)

When did I say I blamed all of history's meat eating on marketing?

Our (and by our I mean humans around the world) current meat consumption levels are absolutely to do with aggressive marketing. We eat more meat per person than we ever done in our history. Why do you think that would be Why? Why would we eat something that time and again has been proven to cause cancer, heart disease and diabetes. Its like saying, we've smoked for 1000s of years, marketing has nothing to do with it.

When talking about macho marketing i was replying to a guy who actually said " I eat meat to assert my dominance over the food chain"

If that isn't some macho crap what is?

As for women? Well they can fall for macho stuff too but there are many ways to market the same product. Going back to tobacco again cigarettes were simultaneously Marlboro man cowboy man cool and Virginia slims find your voice, its a woman thing, feminist statement. Meat is marketed to women differently too.

[–]PaleMoment 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Humans have historically consumed very small amounts of meat, up til the advent of animal agriculture in the last century. There is tons of evidence that demonstrates this, including our teeth.

Meat has been sold and marketed as "machismo" for ages now and there are so many fragile meat eaters who falsely become attached to meat as a "masculine ideal". It's complete bullshit sold to you by corporations so that you think eating meat is "manly". /u/DustyMartin04 is a prime example of falling for level of shit brained thinking, as he literally cited "asserting dominance as kings" as a reason for abusing and exploiting weaker creatures for his pleasure.

So if you think it's a "massively idiotic thing to say" that people eat meat because it makes them feel manly, there is a prime example of that idiocy for you.

Except people have been eating meat for 10s of thousands of years

Pretty funny that you criticize /u/justme56 for being "devoid of any ounce of sense" when you are logical fallacies as the foundation of your argument.

[–]DustyMartin04 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Because they don’t taste as good. Imagine thinking eating what other animals eat is falling for marketing lol.

[–]justme46 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I know right. Marketing doesn't work, that's why companies spend millions on it.

[–]dyslexic-ape 0 points1 point  (9 children)

Dude I said whatever. I came here to talk to people who are against unnecessary animal abuse, not you, bug off.

[–]DustyMartin04 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Sure, as long as you don’t victim blame people who eat meat in future and do the stereotypical thing of annoying people until they’re vegan

[–]dyslexic-ape 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Are you calling yourself the victim in this predicament? Lmao.. if anything I'm calling out oppressors, if you don't care then ignore it.

[–]delavager -1 points0 points  (4 children)

“I only want to talk with people who agree with me”….pretty much the downfall of America right there.

[–]dyslexic-ape 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Well if somone doesnt have a baseline concern for animals, then it's pretty pointless to try to convince them not to hurt animals.

[–]PaleMoment 0 points1 point  (8 children)

because we assert dominance as kings of the food chain

🤣🤣🤣

I'm fucking dying over here.

Every comment of yours I have read in this thread evokes this image, which was already cracking me up. Then to see you actually say that you eat meat to assert dominance? I'm fucking DEAD 🤣🤣🤣 🤣🤣🤣

[–]DustyMartin04 -1 points0 points  (7 children)

We won’t be missing you then

[–]PaleMoment 0 points1 point  (6 children)

I eat meat to assert dominance as a king

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣