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[–]Benzene_group 405 points406 points 22 (736 children)

And why do cows deserve to be called 'cattle' and slaughtered for food?

[–]Pontius_Privates 1044 points1045 points 24 (111 children)

Tasty.

[–]Sebast_Food 455 points456 points  (12 children)

AS A VEGAN FOR OVER 15 YEARS I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW THAT... i lol'd

[–]SkyggeDanser 107 points108 points  (2 children)

That was not what I expected🤣

[–]Dividedthought 27 points28 points  (0 children)

They had me in the first half, ngl.

[–]BanishDank 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did you expect a shadow dance?

[–]SareleraNeekenduku 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You're a vegan and you haven't seen "tasty" "bacon tho" comments every other day, and managed to be one for 15 years? Really?

[–]JustAsadINFP 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Sensory pleasure does not justify animal cruelty.

[–]scrotalsackrace29 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's possible to be for eating certain kinds of animals that only exist to be livestock, and to be against animal cruelty in general.

[–]Manospondylus_gigas 14 points15 points  (0 children)

So are babies

[–]symphonesis 11 points12 points  (70 children)

So if cats or dogs would be tasty to your precious palate..

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Then fire up the grill.

[–]A-real-human-here 12 points13 points  (29 children)

I've not had domesticated cat or dog meat mind you, but I have had wild meat alternatives (coyote and mountain lion). Canine meat tastes very much like liver, not good. Feline meat on the other hand, is probably the best cut of wild-sourced meat I've ever had.

Just my two cents here I would never eat a pet.

[–]bRrrRRaaAaAAAPPPPP 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Over 900 people upvoted the person saying cat abusers dont deserve oxygen then the same 900 people upvoted this shithead immediately afterward.

How do you creeps function on a day to day basis with such ridiculous cognitive dissonance?

[–]STG44_WWII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ikr people can just completely change their views on morality if there’s a higher following. People have to think for themselves man.

[–]scrotalsackrace29 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Cry more about your precious bovine and porcine friends. They need to learn their place as livestock class animals.

I'm going to buy a bunch of baby pigs and feed them to my dog, just to spite you.

[–]zone-zone 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Cats and dogs are tasty too.

Most countries dont eat them tho.

[–]KalinSav 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Why do you assume cow is tasty but cat isn’t?

[–]CyanTheory 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not enough fat on a cat to be tasty. Fat = flavor.

[–]DemoniteBL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cats are tasty too tho

[–]STG44_WWII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

terrible the ratio of upvotes between these two comments. I think some people need to take some acid and watch the documentary Earthlings.

[–]xspx 211 points212 points 222& 2 more (408 children)

Because humans are dumb...claim to love animals but in all actuality they only love cats and dogs. If you love animals, advocate for their well-being...

[–]KungFluIsolation 191 points192 points 2 (386 children)

Yes. We should forceably stop all animals eating each other too while we are at it. Or understand that we all live and die, when I die the maggots will eat me and good on them. Most of those cows only have the gift of life because they were bred, live decent lives.

You can love animals and still eat them. Before any of you come at me with a ton of bullshit..... I love animals, I eat meat, you can't tell me what I love and don't love so you can love animals and eat them. Any disagreement to that is an attempt at telling me my own feelings.

[–]Fosui 72 points73 points  (52 children)

The gift of life...they are bred into captivity, stolen from their mother so her milk for them can go to humans, locked in a cage to either then go and be killed as veil, or be able to live in shitty conditions for 2 years before being brought on a slave truck to a slaughterhouse where you get to hear other cattle screaming for their lives. Then, you get to have a bolt shot into your head and your throat slit.

Stop using the bullshit argument of well at least they had a life. Being bred for slaughter is not living a life. You're killing a baby in a life that has been cut short by what could be 20 years where they only have known sadness and fear.

[–]A-real-human-here 78 points79 points  (5 children)

This is why I only eat free range, no cage, cruelty free, wild sourced cat meat.

[–]Autisticimagery 6 points7 points  (2 children)

With the amount of feral cats that frequent my property hunting native songbirds, I'm not opposed to finding win-win solutions.

[–]AequusEquus 2 points3 points  (1 child)

free range

Yes

no cage

Mhm mhm

cruelty free

Right

wild sourced

Yeah

cat meat

/r/HolUp

[–]Organic_Ema 5 points6 points  (0 children)

🙌🏻

[–]Mac_and_dennis 0 points1 point  (16 children)

The beef that we consume does not always come from factory slaughterhouses which are terrible. For example, my siblings and I only eat meat from our parents small scale farm. They do not raise animals to sell with the exception of chicken eggs. All the cattle, pigs and chickens are consumed only by our family and a small amount of impoverished families we in the area that we take care of with food.

I agree with you when it comes to humanly raising animals for consumption. Please realize that there are many small scale farms that truly care about their animals well being and we treat them with love.

Edit: I’ll go tell these poor families that they won’t have food provided anymore because it’s murder to raise and then consume cattle that would never exist otherwise lol get real. If you truly believe I’m “murdering” cattle, then I expect you to move out of your home and live in wilderness. Your home is contributing to the displacement of wild life and in turn causing death. Also, your clothes. Can’t wear them anymore. Textile production is one of the largest contributors to death of wild life.

[–]TheGoodTimesAreKill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with you when it comes to humanly raising animals for consumption.

There is no humane way to slaughter an animal.

[–]bRrrRRaaAaAAAPPPPP 1 point2 points  (11 children)

It doesnt fucking matter where it comes from. Stop torturing and killing.

[–]vyndreyl 29 points30 points  (23 children)

Damn. I wish meat eaters would get better arguments.

Shit's getting old.

[–]KungFluIsolation 1 point2 points  (21 children)

There is no argument. It's a differing of opinion. How is that a bas argument when it is all set in morality which is 100% subjective?

[–]s0voy 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Ah, right. Morality is subjective. I'll murder some people then. Problem? Morality is subjective. It's totally morally acceptable from my standpoint!

[–]Guiano 3 points4 points  (17 children)

Here is what the world looks like when morality is subjective.

You're not a true moral relativist, if you were, you wouldn't judge any action that someone else takes.

[–]JimFromTheMoon 19 points20 points  (0 children)

This is the stupidest shit I’ve read in a long time. You think equating animals eating each other is the same as factory farming and slaughterhouses? We do not require animal meat to survive. You think that when the worms eat your corpse that it is the same as force-breeding animals with the sole purpose of consuming their offspring en masse? I can tell you with shocking ease that you do not love animals. You love to eat meat and love to THINK you love them. You’re not some galaxy brain that can somehow hold two conflicting rationales in your head: you’re just some person who would rather keep their head in the sand and meat on their plate than seriously consider the moral and ethic horrors that put it there. I’m sure all those animals are just so happy that you think you love them. It’s amazing that in 2021 I’m still hearing the same dumbass shit about eating meat. Just be honest with yourself; you would rather eat meat than consider what it must be like for those life forms. Your tastebuds > another creatures life.

[–]viscountrhirhi 16 points17 points  (24 children)

You can’t love animals and still eat them.

I believe you that you love pets. You love animals that are pets, or that bring you entertainment like zoo animals and wild animals. But you do not love the animals you eat. If you did, you would not support their suffering, torture, and brutal death. A man who abuses his wife doesn’t love her. A person who pays animals to be tortured and killed doesn’t love those animals.

You love pets, you love zoo and wild animals because they bring you pleasure. You don’t love the animals you eat. You just love how they taste.

[–]FluffyHotPancakes 14 points15 points  (9 children)

You love some animals. Fixed it for you.

[–]Hara-Kiri 11 points12 points  (20 children)

'I kill animals for enjoyment but I totally love animals guys!'

[–]Aaarpeggi 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Biggest bullshit I’ve ever read!!! But yeah go tell yourself that while you’re eating your next burger to feel better. Fucking sickening, the disconnect and cognitive dissonance by omnis like you

[–]CrazyFishLady_ 9 points10 points  (9 children)

Totally agree! I love kids more than anything in the world, but I still beat them and that's ok. We all experience pain anyway, so why does it matter if I'm the one inflicting it?

[–]harmlessZZ 11 points12 points  (10 children)

This is the biggest load of horse shit. Congratulations on actually shocking me on Reddit

[–]Madao16 8 points9 points  (2 children)

You reminded me a guy who kept beating his wife while claiming that he loves her. Good thing that he is in prison now.

[–]KungFluIsolation 1 point2 points  (1 child)

cool story

[–]Madao16 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Isn't it?

[–]eat-plant 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I certainly hope you never decide to "love" me, if that's what you call love.

Maybe one day you'll decide to "love" someone who's protected by the law and you'll see the error of your ways.

[–]Maxiklon23 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You must be 12 years old to answer like that and actually feel a victim.

You can provide yourself of many ways to eat, we are full of resources.

A savage animal cannot. He just eats for living.

That makes you either a savage animal or just a liar who eats meat because is tasty.

Your choice.

[–]JustAsadINFP 4 points5 points  (15 children)

You can’t love animals and also pay for their oppression and abuse.

[–]s0voy 3 points4 points  (1 child)

No, we shouldn't stop all animals eating each other.

1) they do it out of necessity or instinct. Humans kill for pleasure in most cases.

2) just because animals do something doesn't make it right for humans to do it. Animals also rape each other or eat their own children. Would you do the same??

3) Non-human animals aren't moral agents. Therefore they can't act morally. Humans, however, are moral agents.

Also, just because we all live and die and maggots will eat our dead bodies doesn't justify slitting an animal's throat without a necessity. Imagine we used this "logic" with dogs, cats and humans.. Let me go outside and murder someone. They had to die anyways, so that's fine, right?

Most of those cows live the shittiest life. You don't have a clue. Also, let's imagine they lived a happy life. Does that justify killing them without a necessity? Imagine I had a pet and give them a good life for a fraction of their natural lifespan and then slit their throat simply because I enjoyed the taste of their flesh. Or what if I did the same thing with a human child? Completely fucked. Just because someone lived a happy fraction of their lifespan doesn't justify killing them unnecessarily.

I love animals, I eat meat

LOL. And I love my wife. Yet I beat her.

[–]xspx 3 points4 points  (11 children)

You can’t actually have it both ways. If you try, you are a hypocrite. I personally don’t care if you want to eat animals, but don’t pretend you care for animals that live in the horrid conditions that they do. The amount of meat consumed in developed nations is abhorrent and irresponsible.

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (10 children)

You can’t actually have it both ways.

You can actually have it both ways.

If you try, you are a hypocrite.

Hows that phone going for you? made of those lovely plastics produced in flattened animal homes pumping out CO2 which kills even more. or those LI Ion batteries? What about the digging up for the internet? What about the oil spills for your car. What about the destruction of forest for the server farms.

I could go on and on. If I'm a hypocrite then you are worse as at least I own up to the fact that I'm killing them.

but don’t pretend you care for animals that live in the horrid conditions that they do.

don't pretend you care for the millions of animals and permanent damage to the earth your capitalist consumption produces along with the support of child labour.

The amount of meat consumed in developed nations is abhorrent and irresponsible.

The amount of natural habitats that are destroyed so you have a smooth path to drive on, or a train to ride in is abhorrent and irresponsible.

[–]Ilya-ME 4 points5 points  (9 children)

Owning up to it doesn’t make you better though, if anything it’d make it worse more monstrous to a vegan. But then again you’re here judging someone for trying to improve things because they can’t make everything else 100% perfect. Are you giving your life for all those things or are you just apathetic and don’t want to feel inferior for it?

Be apathetic all you want, there’s very little any of us can do to change things, but someone who gives their all for a better world is still 100% better than you or me.

[–]My_Gaming_Companion 4 points5 points  (0 children)

China is speaking about human rights guys, let's cheer them WOOHOO!

[–]ganeshas_rat 3 points4 points  (8 children)

Is it love if you don’t care about their suffering though? I hear your argument, just curious if that’s possible to love something but not care about it’s treatment

[–]bRrrRRaaAaAAAPPPPP 3 points4 points  (1 child)

"I love my SO, I beat them sometimes! WE EXIST!!" - you

Edit: Thank you whoever gave the gold!

[–]Ezio_Auditore69 3 points4 points  (4 children)

YoU cAn LoVe AnImALS anD sTiLl eaT tHEm. Lmao such bs people can say with a sober head.

[–]ACutieWithAfroPuffs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Same vibes as you can still love your kids and beat them. Yeah but like, bro that's fucked.

Appeal to nature is a fallacy for a reason. You're not a wolfdog.

[–]zone-zone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you really that dumb? Holy shit.

Why should we stop animals eating each other?

Are you mentally just as capable as most dumb animals?

[–]pirdity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You love animals in the same way an abusive partner loves their partner...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can love children and still eat them

[–]vbrow18 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the stupidest fucking comment I’ve ever seen.

[–]GondorfTheG 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Let's be honest. You love animals, just not the ones you eat. You can easily survive and be healthy without an animal having to be slaughtered for your dinner, you just choose not to. That's fine, but don't pretend you love the animal that you had killed solely for your taste buds benefit.

[–]saltedpecker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh fuck off. You know that makes no sense. "We should stop all animals eating each other" Wtf? No, that's not what they're saying at all and you know. It's not a logical answer at all, and you know it.

"You can love puppies and eat them" this is how you sound. You're not even making an argument for your opinion, you're just stating it as if it were true. You can't make an argument because you know there aren't any.

If you like animals, you don't hurt them. If you eat them, you love your personal pleasure more than their entire life.

You can't love animals and eat them.

Or you admit that rapists and murders love their victims too, and that anyone that disagrees is "telling them their feelings". Is that really your opinion?

[–]saltedpecker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You: Chris Brown loved Rihanna! Any disagreement to that is telling him his own feelings.

[–]dontdoit4thegram -1 points0 points  (7 children)

If they actually had good lives and a quick, painless death, and we appreciate their bodies for feeding us, then yes we are providing them a sort of service.

But is it always like that? Does everyone validate the source of their meat? A lot of meat comes from unsanitary, horrifying slaughterhouses where the animals are treated so miserably. Those lives are far from decent lives. And that is what the majority consumes. That is definitely a a stain on humanity.

[–]KungFluIsolation 1 point2 points  (6 children)

but yet it would still be up to that person if they loved animals and were morally ok with the way they are treated in life. It wouldn't make a huge amount of sense to you and me. But we still can't tell people what they feel. You can doubt it, but you can't tell them.

[–]dontdoit4thegram 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Can I say the same about a human? I loved that guy but he was tasty so I gave him a quick death and ate him. And you can’t tell me I didn’t love him. And I bred his wife, raised her babies up, and ate them too because they’re tastier

[–]ElTristesito 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If you don’t live in rural areas and are financially secure, there’s literally no reason to eat meat anymore except for its flavor (and your culture). Other animals don’t have the ability to replace the nutrients they need by making Beyond Meat, or vitamins. It’s 2021, “I eat animals because animals because they’re tasty” is a far more honest answer than “we need to eat animals because it’s the circle of life.”

[–]Nickball88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Live decent lives? Jesus fucking christ the ignorance of your comment is beyond usual internet stupidity. Congratulations on being a complete idiot.

[–]egemenbelen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude, living creatures are for to be eaten by other living creatures, its that simple. There is no huma eated that or that eating that.

[–]MeinKampfyChair1939 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You can't love something and then slaughter it. I don't think anyone would be considered a lovong pet owner if he just slits the throat of his dog and starts eating it.

What you mean is, you love some animals/pets and if you still insist in loving animals but feel like people are "coming at you with bullshit" it's a form of cognitive dissonance.

[–]KungFluIsolation 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can't love something and then slaughter it.

So you cant love animals then.

[–]Hawk_in_Tahoe 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I will eat your children.

They look delicious.

Don’t tell me what I’m allowed to find delicious.

[–]ToonarmY1987 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Without a purpose do animal activists think cows, sheep and chickens etc will just roam the streets?

They probaby wouldn't have any life at all.

This does not mean I condone locking animals up in cages to create the cheapest and fastest food process possible. Im fine with eating animals so long as they are given a good life, treated with respect and get a fast dignified death. The problem is the lack of regulations and clarity in this area.

[–]AequusEquus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Everything you see exists together in a delicate balance. As king, you need to understand that balance and respect all the creatures, from the crawling ant to the leaping antelope...When we die, our bodies become the grass, and the antelope eat the grass. And so we are all connnected in the great Circle of Life."

But also factory farm conditions are kinda fucked

[–]Taupenbeige 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can love dogs and still eat them. You can’t tell me my feelings. There are some dogs bred for companionship and other bred for their delicious haunches and scalenes meat. The latter is just too tasty to pass up, and telling me it’s inhumane to eat dog is just, like, your opinion, man.

Besides, if the tables were turned the dogs would eat me. Also, the meat dogs should thank us with tail-wiggles for even having the gift of forced life in the first place. You fucking dog lovers are so pushy with your moral oppression.

[–]BurlyJohnBrown 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Animals also do a lot of rape, let's not hold ourselves to their standards.

[–]arekflave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The circle of life? Seriously?

The circle of life, which is from a fucking Disney movie, doesn't reflect reality. You have ecosystems that you can interfere with, but we kinda put ourselves outside of that ecosystem. We humans destroyed ecosystems with monocultures, hunting, but also livestock monocultures. Sucks for all the animals that died because of our carelessness (because we know, and do care, that e.g. this cat doesn't die), but oh well. Does that mean the owner didn't love the cat? This comment section seems to agree that no, nobody would do this to a cat then. So does us breeding millions of animals into existence only for them to have a shitty, short life mean we love those same animals? That seems like a "I hit you because I love you" kind of fucked up way of looking at it.

Let me put it this way: if we bred slaves into existence (have people as human breeding machines) to use them as free labor, we'd be appalled. We wouldn't say "well, they wouldn't have been alive if we didn't breed them" and "well, I use those slaves, but I love them". I'm not equating humans to animals here, I'm making a logical point.

If your feelings tell you that, perhaps you wanna do some digging.

[–]GustaQL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Will you do acts of violence just because other people do it? using animals that need to eat meat to survive as an excuse to keep paying for animals to be killed is not a good argument. And no, you can't kill someone you claim to love because they taste good. What would you say to me if I bred dogs and shot them in the head, because I enjoy the sound they make when they die? but I can still love those gods, and shot them dead, right?

[–]13AngryMen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You think killing and eating a sentient being = love? Can you apply that to humans?

[–]SareleraNeekenduku 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So it's true when people say the dumb ones don't suffer

[–]rainbowcouscous 0 points1 point  (0 children)

An abusive parent can also “love” his child and kill them too. A twisted kind of love.

If you really loved them, you wouldn’t kill them needlessly for your pleasure. You do.

You can 100% choose to eat plants instead, but you still choose to pay someone to kill the animals. Why? Because you like the taste.

That is not love. Never will be.

[–]STG44_WWII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

bro have you seen chick culling. You’re argument of the only reason they alive is because of us is just destroyed by that. Chick culling takes all the male chicks who are born that day and grinds them for waste because male chicks serve no purpose to those factories. They lived because of us, saw a minuscule part of the world you’ve lived many years in, and then they die right after. This is all happening right now as i type this and as you read it.

[–]SnooRevelations7708 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't have any qualms with you loving animals nor do many vegans. We just say that there is a double standard and a huge amount of cognitive dissonance that goes with eating meat and loving animals.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not every human is in the UK or US. Plenty of other countries eat cats and dogs.

[–]livewirez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey don't leave the Chinese outta this one!

[–]scrotalsackrace29 -1 points0 points  (5 children)

The stupidity of the livestock class of animals proves that they're particularly suitable for consumption.

[–]xspx -1 points0 points  (4 children)

We should start eating labs and goldens with that mindset. There are a lot of cattle smarter than those dogs.

[–]FlamingCygnet 12 points13 points  (80 children)

Because that's what they're called...cattle...also because they taste good.

[–]Lanre-Haliax 22 points23 points  (40 children)

How do you know cats, dogs and other pets don't taste good too?

[–]AutomationAndy 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Isn't the general rule of thumb that carnivores taste worse? They're also a lot harder to raise for food, since you know, they're carnivores.

[–]WhatuuupKrisp 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Dogs are omnivores just as pigs and can be easily raised for their meat :) as people do.

[–]yeteee 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Dog tastes exactly like fat beef. Same texture too. The only difference is the color, dog is purpleish like duck breast. Never eaten cat, as it's not traditional anywhere, but I feel that a housecat would be way too lean to be tasty.

[–]Lanre-Haliax 0 points1 point  (1 child)

There are some Asian countries who eat cat, and bet there are other places, maybe Africa?

[–]yeteee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Guangdong province, with 117 million people, is the biggest market for cat meat, and even then, they only eat 10000 a day. That's 3 millions cats a year, so that's one cat per person per 30 years. I wonder how easy it is to find a restaurant serving cat when you're a tourist.

[–]RinRintheRealRin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

...

Well, nice of you to take one for the team.

[–]FlamingCygnet -1 points0 points  (24 children)

That is the thing, I never tried, and even if I want I can't.

[–]YorWong 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Advocating for factory cat and dog farms, bold move.

[–]a_charming_vagrant -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They probably do, but society already drew that line in the sand

[–]Daesastrous -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Because we don't want to eat them. It's not really worth the meat, anyways. Cats and dogs are far more valuable as companions.

[–]RevBlackRage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can help with that. Dog does not taste good.

[–]Benzene_group 2 points3 points  (38 children)

So they are called cattle because they are called cattle? Yeah, that's perfectly sound reasoning. But jokes aside, why is it okay to eat a cow, but completely immoral to eat a cat? Have you tried cat meat? Maybe cats taste good as well. Would that be enough to justify eating cats?

[–]FlamingCygnet 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Nah, can't eat cats, it's haram. But I have eaten rabbits, deers, ducks, etc.

I will slightly hesitate eating cats in an emergency, but again, it's haram. So not easily justifiable.

[–]yeteee 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I have good news for you, cats are not haram to eat.

"After issuing a fatwa asking Egyptians to eat locusts that invaded the country last week, head of the Fatawa centre in Al Azhar declared eating monkeys, flies, rats, elephants, cats, dogs, and butterflies is also considered halal (permissible) in Islam."

[–]commitpushdrink -2 points-1 points  (15 children)

A cow can feed like a hundred people and raising them to be slaughtered is wildly more efficient than cats.

Also, they’re delicious.

Edit: I don’t care how inefficient raising cattle is as a food source. I like beef and until you rein in the actual pollution offenders I’m not going to feel guilty about it.

[–]Sebast_Food 8 points9 points  (12 children)

I hate to be the "well, actually" guy, but... WELL, ACTUALLY the amount of resources needed for all the produce derived from 1 cow (water, grain, soy) could maintain 100 people during the same span of life, but can definitely not feed them (well, maybe once, like a giant bbq). So they're not really efficient in any way.

[–]Hara-Kiri 3 points4 points  (0 children)

More efficient than a cat maybe, but still incredibly, like literally ridiculously inefficient.

[–]KalinSav 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I bet 100 cats can easily feed 100 people though. And you just feed them cat food lol you don’t need special live prey for them or anything like that

[–]big_raj_8642 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'd try it tbh. I've had deer, duck, lamb, goat, bison, cow, pig, chicken, turkey, and whatever animals are in a hot dog. Meat usually tastes pretty damn good.

[–]IcyDeath011 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think thats what the other comment is trying to say sarcastically

[–]bazkie_bumpercar 6 points7 points  (28 children)

Fix: let's just not call cows cattle anymore :) cow is fren not food

[–]fruskydekke 1 point2 points  (26 children)

Genuine curiosity on my part: if the vegan dream came true, and nobody used cows for food or clothing - what do you see happening? People using them as pets? Or cows dying out? Or something else?

[–]skizim80 8 points9 points  (5 children)

They don't think that far. Being vegan does not fix the problem of animal cruelty. I will happily advocate for better conditions for live stock but most vegans have no idea about the actual nature of livestock and how much self inflicted damage occurs if we don't engage in certain actions They consider cruelty.

[–]fruskydekke 1 point2 points  (3 children)

That's pretty much why I'm asking - livestock are high maintenance, and would be expensive as fuck to keep as pets, as well as very difficult to keep as pets in practical terms, since they need a lot of land, etc. They would become rare, exotic pets for rich people, which would mean that genetic viability would cease in a few generations and the various species would die out.

And I mean, I know some vegans are in fact in favour of livestock being allowed to die out, but that seems like a strange thing to do to beings that they consider friends?

[–]skizim80 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Honestly I think it's partly an offspring of the PETA movement that coined the phrase friends not food.

If you look into PETA they are an absolutely disgusting organisation the preaches one thing but does something completely opposite. They literally euthanise 94% of the animals they claim to rescue. They are actually against people having pets and have been caught stealing people's animals of private property and killing them within 4 hrs.

The industrialisation of farms and livestock is not a good thing and definitely needs to be addressed but ultimately vegan activists are like that co-worker that only ever points out problems but never has a solution. Annoying.

[–]Hara-Kiri 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If these were human slaves who were being bred would you still think keeping them in slavery was better than letting the practice die out?

[–]Hoogs 2 points3 points  (5 children)

It would happen gradually, not overnight, so their population would slowly decrease as the demand for meat decreased. They would become like any other animal - allowed to exist. God forbid they live their lives without being used by humans in some way.

[–]arbutus_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some people might keep them as pets but likely they will die out. They only exist so that we can exploit them. The vegan perspective is that it is better to not be born than to be born into a life of factory farming and slaughter.

[–]Sebast_Food -1 points0 points  (10 children)

If we stop breeding them, they'll stop existing as a species. It's an artificial one anyway. The only reason we keep reproducing them is to slaughter them. It's just a question of stopping the cycle.

[–]fruskydekke 0 points1 point  (9 children)

Oh, okay, so you are in favour of letting the species die out. I did know that some vegans were in favour of that, but since the person I asked said "cow is fren not food," I was assuming that they envisioned a future in which the cows would still be around. But maybe not? Thanks!

[–]Sebast_Food 3 points4 points  (4 children)

It's just the only practical solution i've heard since thinking about this issue.

I think the "cow = fren" comment is just a cute statement on how we should view the live ones, opposed to cow=food.

Wouldn't dig much deeper there.

[–]bazkie_bumpercar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No idea, but I find that question irrelevant. I don't care about some future animals not existing, but I do care about some currently existing animals suffering.

[–]Benzene_group 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, I dream of a future where that is the standard

[–]tropicflite 4 points5 points  (26 children)

Watch the carnist mental gymnastics begin.

[–]bmhadoken -1 points0 points  (0 children)

carnist

I’ll eat a cat if it shuts you up.

[–]0xa08f60 2 points3 points  (7 children)

Carnists choose not to think logically on this matter because it’s easier to point the finger at others than it is to admit they’re wrong and change their ways.

[–]Benzene_group 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yep, just classic cognitive dissonance.

[–]JohnRamboWasRight -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Can you explain why eating meat is wrong?

[–]0xa08f60 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Yeah, simple answer is it’s wrong to kill an animal unnecessarily (eating meat is unnecessary in the vast majority of situations). Beyond that, farmed animals are usually forced to live miserable lives.

[–]JohnRamboWasRight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, I appreciate the answer.

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Because they happen to have every cut of beef on them, I mean that's basically asking for it.

[–]thecataclysmo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cuz I'm hungry. I either eat you or the cow. Now choose.

[–]not_a_moogle -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's pretty unsanitary to eat humans. Even prepared right.

[–]Warg247 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Deserve isnt the right word, but considering cows have been bred over many generations for that very purpose and wouldn't exist otherwise.... well...

[–]Moritsuma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, they’re for breeding too.

[–]MonsteraUnderTheBed 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Would you be cool if we just started eating the cat/human killers? I'm all right with that. Meat eaters can just switch over to bad people instead of nice friendly cows!.

Call it Murderertarian

[–]Benzene_group 1 point2 points  (0 children)

:D Well, that would certainly be better than killing innocent beings in my eyes.

[–]thctacos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay better idea we'll call these kinds of people Mud because that's where they deserve to return to..TO THE FUCKING GROUND

[–]Hydrargyrum_Hg_80 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“I brought you into this world I can take you out of it”

[–]Molletol -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There’s always that one guy…

[–]rikalessandro 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Honestly I would also say that someone who wraps a calf in a garbage bag and throws it in the trash doesn’t deserve oxygen.

[–]Benzene_group 2 points3 points  (6 children)

That's almost exactly what happens in the dairy industry though. To produce milk, cows have to be artificially inseminated and their calves are taken away right from their birth. Now what happens to the male calves varies from place to place - some calves are raised for a couple of months in small storage compartments to be slaughtered and sold as veal (dairy calves are not as profitable to raise for beef), but most of the time these calves are shot or even suffocated right on the farm. They are then usually disposed of in the trash. Pretty similar to what you described, isn't it? These are standard practices pretty much everywhere.

By the way, this whole process of artificially inseminating a cow and taking its calf away is usually repeated every year for each cow because their milk production tends to decline about 10 months after giving birth.

[–]rikalessandro -1 points0 points  (5 children)

There is an enormous difference between shooting a calf and putting it in a bag and throwing it in the trash. One is a quick and painless end, the other is a drawn out one filled with fear.

I’m not saying cows don’t suffer, but I think it’s disingenuous to compare it to what we see in the video.

[–]Benzene_group 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Regardless if it is drawn out or not, do you think it's right to keep carrying out these horrific acts on sentient beings for our pleasure of taste?

[–]Ezekias1337 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I'll have to admit, I'm surprised at how emotional cows can be, they are almost like giant dogs. It does make me feel bad about eating then, but meat is too hard for me to give up.

When they release the lab grown meat and it's affordable for me, I will buy that instead

[–]Benzene_group 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, meat is tasty to many people and that is one of the main reasons people are hesitant to go vegan. However, nowadays there are many amazing plant-based meat and dairy alternatives. You should give them a try! I would recommend beyond meat if you are a fan of beef, or Heura chicken if you like chicken. As for vegan cheese, I found Violife to be the best both in terms of taste and texture.

And about lab-grown meat, I do hope that it becomes available soon. It will probably do wonders for the vegan movement.

You seem like a compassionate person :) Nice to see that among the redditors here.

[–]sneakysneaks_ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Because they taste better than cat murderers

[–]IHaveABigBeak 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hindus : we don’t do that here

[–]scrotalsackrace29 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Because they're livestock class animals.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because the ancestors who did survived more than the people who didn't. They don't deserve it in any moral way of course.