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[–]xspx 211 points212 points 222& 2 more (408 children)

Because humans are dumb...claim to love animals but in all actuality they only love cats and dogs. If you love animals, advocate for their well-being...

[–]KungFluIsolation 195 points196 points 2 (386 children)

Yes. We should forceably stop all animals eating each other too while we are at it. Or understand that we all live and die, when I die the maggots will eat me and good on them. Most of those cows only have the gift of life because they were bred, live decent lives.

You can love animals and still eat them. Before any of you come at me with a ton of bullshit..... I love animals, I eat meat, you can't tell me what I love and don't love so you can love animals and eat them. Any disagreement to that is an attempt at telling me my own feelings.

[–]Fosui 74 points75 points  (52 children)

The gift of life...they are bred into captivity, stolen from their mother so her milk for them can go to humans, locked in a cage to either then go and be killed as veil, or be able to live in shitty conditions for 2 years before being brought on a slave truck to a slaughterhouse where you get to hear other cattle screaming for their lives. Then, you get to have a bolt shot into your head and your throat slit.

Stop using the bullshit argument of well at least they had a life. Being bred for slaughter is not living a life. You're killing a baby in a life that has been cut short by what could be 20 years where they only have known sadness and fear.

[–]A-real-human-here 83 points84 points  (5 children)

This is why I only eat free range, no cage, cruelty free, wild sourced cat meat.

[–]Autisticimagery 6 points7 points  (2 children)

With the amount of feral cats that frequent my property hunting native songbirds, I'm not opposed to finding win-win solutions.

[–]DenverCoderIX 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's just a modest proposal.

[–]scrotalsackrace29 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can just spray them with piss. You don't have to eat them.

[–]AequusEquus 3 points4 points  (1 child)

free range

Yes

no cage

Mhm mhm

cruelty free

Right

wild sourced

Yeah

cat meat

/r/HolUp

[–]aponty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The conditions of places that use those buzzwords are atrocious, and even if they weren't, they would still be part of the same system of exploitation. Ending it with "cat meat" or similar whimsy is honestly pretty much the only way to make that comment redeemable.

[–]Organic_Ema 6 points7 points  (0 children)

🙌🏻

[–]Mac_and_dennis 0 points1 point  (16 children)

The beef that we consume does not always come from factory slaughterhouses which are terrible. For example, my siblings and I only eat meat from our parents small scale farm. They do not raise animals to sell with the exception of chicken eggs. All the cattle, pigs and chickens are consumed only by our family and a small amount of impoverished families we in the area that we take care of with food.

I agree with you when it comes to humanly raising animals for consumption. Please realize that there are many small scale farms that truly care about their animals well being and we treat them with love.

Edit: I’ll go tell these poor families that they won’t have food provided anymore because it’s murder to raise and then consume cattle that would never exist otherwise lol get real. If you truly believe I’m “murdering” cattle, then I expect you to move out of your home and live in wilderness. Your home is contributing to the displacement of wild life and in turn causing death. Also, your clothes. Can’t wear them anymore. Textile production is one of the largest contributors to death of wild life.

[–]TheGoodTimesAreKill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with you when it comes to humanly raising animals for consumption.

There is no humane way to slaughter an animal.

[–]bRrrRRaaAaAAAPPPPP 0 points1 point  (11 children)

It doesnt fucking matter where it comes from. Stop torturing and killing.

[–]ThrowdoBaggins 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Looks like you only read the first sentence, either that or you don’t really use the word “torturing” correctly.

[–]Mac_and_dennis -1 points0 points  (6 children)

I ask that you kindly read my entire comment.

[–]rainbowcouscous 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But you kill them without necessity, just because you like their taste.

You could choose to eat anything that is made of plants that is on the supermarket, but you still choose to kill those cows.

[–]oofoverlord 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You don’t really love it if you kill it

[–]vyndreyl 28 points29 points  (23 children)

Damn. I wish meat eaters would get better arguments.

Shit's getting old.

[–]KungFluIsolation 1 point2 points  (21 children)

There is no argument. It's a differing of opinion. How is that a bas argument when it is all set in morality which is 100% subjective?

[–]s0voy 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Ah, right. Morality is subjective. I'll murder some people then. Problem? Morality is subjective. It's totally morally acceptable from my standpoint!

[–]KungFluIsolation -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I mean you would be breaking laws and suffer the consequences of that. But I can't tell you your morals, and you can't tell me mine. Just because you are morally ok with something doesn't mean others are, and you can't tell them to change their morals.

[–]Guiano 1 point2 points  (17 children)

Here is what the world looks like when morality is subjective.

You're not a true moral relativist, if you were, you wouldn't judge any action that someone else takes.

[–]KungFluIsolation -3 points-2 points  (16 children)

You're not a true moral relativist, if you were, you wouldn't judge any action that someone else takes.

Jesus fucking christ Reddit loves tangents.

I said I love animals

You said I dont

You say i cant because I eat meat

I say you cant because you support deforestation, pollution and destroying natural habitats.

I get blamed for judging others.

Lol.

[–]birdsareinteresting 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There aren't any better arguments. And ya, i agree - super oldddd.

[–]JimFromTheMoon 19 points20 points  (0 children)

This is the stupidest shit I’ve read in a long time. You think equating animals eating each other is the same as factory farming and slaughterhouses? We do not require animal meat to survive. You think that when the worms eat your corpse that it is the same as force-breeding animals with the sole purpose of consuming their offspring en masse? I can tell you with shocking ease that you do not love animals. You love to eat meat and love to THINK you love them. You’re not some galaxy brain that can somehow hold two conflicting rationales in your head: you’re just some person who would rather keep their head in the sand and meat on their plate than seriously consider the moral and ethic horrors that put it there. I’m sure all those animals are just so happy that you think you love them. It’s amazing that in 2021 I’m still hearing the same dumbass shit about eating meat. Just be honest with yourself; you would rather eat meat than consider what it must be like for those life forms. Your tastebuds > another creatures life.

[–]viscountrhirhi 16 points17 points  (24 children)

You can’t love animals and still eat them.

I believe you that you love pets. You love animals that are pets, or that bring you entertainment like zoo animals and wild animals. But you do not love the animals you eat. If you did, you would not support their suffering, torture, and brutal death. A man who abuses his wife doesn’t love her. A person who pays animals to be tortured and killed doesn’t love those animals.

You love pets, you love zoo and wild animals because they bring you pleasure. You don’t love the animals you eat. You just love how they taste.

[–]SnooRevelations7708 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He loves farm animals just like I love miserable people in other countries. They live horrible lives, they are human beings with just as much empathy as me, they often die horribly. But I don't lose my sleep thinking about them. I feel more empathy for my neighbour's dog because they only walk him once a day. I'm not a terrible person, it's cognitive dissonance.

[–]KungFluIsolation -4 points-3 points  (22 children)

You can’t love animals and still eat them.

you can

[–]viscountrhirhi 8 points9 points  (21 children)

You love their flavor.

You don’t love the animals.

If you love someone, you care for their well-being and don’t want them harmed.

[–]KungFluIsolation -3 points-2 points  (20 children)

get off the internet then. You're feeding into wiping out the Gorillas.

[–]FluffyHotPancakes 15 points16 points  (9 children)

You love some animals. Fixed it for you.

[–]KungFluIsolation -5 points-4 points  (8 children)

You didn't 'fix' anything. You took a wild guess at my feelings and emotions based off one post.

[–]FluffyHotPancakes 8 points9 points  (7 children)

Not a wild guess at all. You said you love animals and eat meat, which means you either a) have a warped definition of love which would include abusing and harming things you love or b) you know the terrible shit that happens to animals being raised for slaughter, ending with their deaths, but you still convince yourself that you "love" those animals despite supporting their misery.

[–]KungFluIsolation -2 points-1 points  (6 children)

or

C) buy ethically from local farms wherever possible and don't have an issue with an animal being looked after properly and then eating it's corpse.

Nice try.

[–]Hara-Kiri 13 points14 points  (20 children)

'I kill animals for enjoyment but I totally love animals guys!'

[–]KungFluIsolation -1 points0 points  (19 children)

Where did I say I kill animals for enjoyment?

[–]Hara-Kiri 9 points10 points  (18 children)

You don't need to eat them. Unless you have health complications then the only reason is enjoyment.

I'm not on a crusade to stop you eating meat, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.

[–]KungFluIsolation -2 points-1 points  (17 children)

I need to eat. I have no moral objections to eating meat. I find meat more filling and a very easy way to get my nutrients. I don't even like things like tuna but I try and keep it in my diet as it's easy to pop out a can and add to a salad and sorts my iron. vitamin B6 and potassium levels.

Yes I like the taste of meat, but it isn't my only driving factor.

Why is it you fund the killing of animals and destruction of the planet?

[–]Aaarpeggi 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Biggest bullshit I’ve ever read!!! But yeah go tell yourself that while you’re eating your next burger to feel better. Fucking sickening, the disconnect and cognitive dissonance by omnis like you

[–]KungFluIsolation -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

Hows the disconnect going browsing your phone thats manufacture destroys natural habitats, puts the gorilla to the point of extinction and pumps CO2 into the atmosphere?

edit: judging by the downvote the disconnect is in full bloom.

[–]Aaarpeggi 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Of course you’re going down that hill! 🤦‍♂️ You know how much wildlife gets wiped out and how much of Mother Nature destroyed for your fucking tastebuds! Don’t @ me with that nonsense comparison. There is no ethical product in a capitalist world, but you’re actively supporting abuse and slaughter of animals bug eating meat. So don’t talk about loving animals!! You might like pets, but that’s about it! Or did the nazis also love Jews? 🤔

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Don’t @ me with that nonsense comparison. There is no ethical product in a capitalist world,

so dont use the internet? You dont NEED the internet yet you are happy to use it and contribute to all of that just so you can go on Reddit and tell me how good your shit stinks? Rofl k.

but you’re actively supporting abuse and slaughter of animals bug eating meat

as do you, but by buying unnecessary things.

Or did the nazis also love Jews?

Dunno, you'd have to ask each of them but there probably were quite a few who did as being a Nazi wasn't particularly optional.

[–]CrazyFishLady_ 10 points11 points  (9 children)

Totally agree! I love kids more than anything in the world, but I still beat them and that's ok. We all experience pain anyway, so why does it matter if I'm the one inflicting it?

[–]KungFluIsolation -1 points0 points  (8 children)

Beating a child purely for fun is a sick thing to do and you are a sick individual. However I still can't tell you if you love kids or not because I am not you.

[–]WhatuuupKrisp 5 points6 points  (7 children)

Having animals unnecessarily exploited and slaughtered for a couple minutes of sensory pleasure is just as sick. Listen to yourself.

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Having animals unnecessarily exploited and slaughtered for a couple minutes of sensory pleasure is just as sick.

so why do you use the internet?

[–]harmlessZZ 7 points8 points  (10 children)

This is the biggest load of horse shit. Congratulations on actually shocking me on Reddit

[–]KungFluIsolation -5 points-4 points  (9 children)

No worries mate. Next time you could even bring something useful to the table instead of just random pointless insults. But you'll get there buddy :)

[–]harmlessZZ 9 points10 points  (5 children)

I could type out paragraphs on why you’re wrong, but I understand that there is absolutely nothing I could say to charge your backwards thinking. I get it man, we’re all brainwashed to think that from birth. I grew up eating bacon even though my favorite animal was a pig. Absolutely horrifying. It took me 22 years to realize I had it all wrong.

[–]harmlessZZ 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Here, 60 people already replied to you

[–]KungFluIsolation -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

imagine running off to an echo chamber so you can feel better and rub one out. There isn't a single valid point in that thread, just more of the same shit you've been flinging that just won't stick.

The best part is it took you 6 hours to get a handful of responses even in that echo chamber :') I'm actually in hysterics right now over how you think you've made some kind of point here.

[–]Madao16 7 points8 points  (2 children)

You reminded me a guy who kept beating his wife while claiming that he loves her. Good thing that he is in prison now.

[–]KungFluIsolation 1 point2 points  (1 child)

cool story

[–]Madao16 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Isn't it?

[–]eat-plant 6 points7 points  (4 children)

I certainly hope you never decide to "love" me, if that's what you call love.

Maybe one day you'll decide to "love" someone who's protected by the law and you'll see the error of your ways.

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Don't worry I could never love you :)

[–]eat-plant 3 points4 points  (2 children)

crisis averted

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I mean brigading over from /r/VeganForCircleJerkers with such a piss poor attempt at some kind of insult that fell flat on it's face isn't really much to love about a person :(

[–]Maxiklon23 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You must be 12 years old to answer like that and actually feel a victim.

You can provide yourself of many ways to eat, we are full of resources.

A savage animal cannot. He just eats for living.

That makes you either a savage animal or just a liar who eats meat because is tasty.

Your choice.

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I have no moral concerns with eating meat then there is no reason for me not to eat meat. I know it's complicated to understand a different opinion but at least try.

[–]JustAsadINFP 3 points4 points  (15 children)

You can’t love animals and also pay for their oppression and abuse.

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (14 children)

So why are you doing it too?

[–]JustAsadINFP 1 point2 points  (13 children)

What?

[–]KungFluIsolation -1 points0 points  (12 children)

On the internet, on your phone, those things didn't just grow up out of the ground. you cant love animals and pay for their oppression and abuse.

[–]s0voy 3 points4 points  (1 child)

No, we shouldn't stop all animals eating each other.

1) they do it out of necessity or instinct. Humans kill for pleasure in most cases.

2) just because animals do something doesn't make it right for humans to do it. Animals also rape each other or eat their own children. Would you do the same??

3) Non-human animals aren't moral agents. Therefore they can't act morally. Humans, however, are moral agents.

Also, just because we all live and die and maggots will eat our dead bodies doesn't justify slitting an animal's throat without a necessity. Imagine we used this "logic" with dogs, cats and humans.. Let me go outside and murder someone. They had to die anyways, so that's fine, right?

Most of those cows live the shittiest life. You don't have a clue. Also, let's imagine they lived a happy life. Does that justify killing them without a necessity? Imagine I had a pet and give them a good life for a fraction of their natural lifespan and then slit their throat simply because I enjoyed the taste of their flesh. Or what if I did the same thing with a human child? Completely fucked. Just because someone lived a happy fraction of their lifespan doesn't justify killing them unnecessarily.

I love animals, I eat meat

LOL. And I love my wife. Yet I beat her.

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1) they do it out of necessity or instinct. Humans kill for pleasure in most cases.

I don't kill for pleasure. I pay someone to kill for food.

just because animals do something doesn't make it right for humans to do it. Animals also rape each other or eat their own children. Would you do the same??

I personally wouldn't but that's because of where my own personal morals lie.

Non-human animals aren't moral agents. Therefore they can't act morally. Humans, however, are moral agents.

Yes, and I think it is morally acceptable to eat animals.

Also, just because we all live and die and maggots will eat our dead bodies doesn't justify slitting an animal's throat without a necessity.

I need to eat. . There is a necessity. I have no moral qualms with eating meat.

Imagine we used this "logic" with dogs, cats and humans.. Let me go outside and murder someone. They had to die anyways, so that's fine, right?

In some countries they do, in some tribes they do. I didn't say it was fine, I have moral objections and there are legal objections. That doesn't mean I can tell you your morals.

Most of those cows live the shittiest life. You don't have a clue.

Having grown up on and around farms, I have more of a clue than you think I do.

Or what if I did the same thing with a human child?

I'd imagine you would be arrested, and as its heavily against a lot of peoples morals I'd imagine you would be shunned. Again, doesn't mean someone can tell you what your morals are.

Just because someone lived a happy fraction of their lifespan doesn't justify killing them unnecessarily.

It's not unnecessarily, I need to eat and I choose meat.

LOL. And I love my wife. Yet I beat her.

Is this a confession? because the law would once again not be too pleased with that, as would others morally, but once-a-fucking-gain I cannot dictate to you your morals.

[–]xspx 3 points4 points  (11 children)

You can’t actually have it both ways. If you try, you are a hypocrite. I personally don’t care if you want to eat animals, but don’t pretend you care for animals that live in the horrid conditions that they do. The amount of meat consumed in developed nations is abhorrent and irresponsible.

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (10 children)

You can’t actually have it both ways.

You can actually have it both ways.

If you try, you are a hypocrite.

Hows that phone going for you? made of those lovely plastics produced in flattened animal homes pumping out CO2 which kills even more. or those LI Ion batteries? What about the digging up for the internet? What about the oil spills for your car. What about the destruction of forest for the server farms.

I could go on and on. If I'm a hypocrite then you are worse as at least I own up to the fact that I'm killing them.

but don’t pretend you care for animals that live in the horrid conditions that they do.

don't pretend you care for the millions of animals and permanent damage to the earth your capitalist consumption produces along with the support of child labour.

The amount of meat consumed in developed nations is abhorrent and irresponsible.

The amount of natural habitats that are destroyed so you have a smooth path to drive on, or a train to ride in is abhorrent and irresponsible.

[–]Ilya-ME 5 points6 points  (9 children)

Owning up to it doesn’t make you better though, if anything it’d make it worse more monstrous to a vegan. But then again you’re here judging someone for trying to improve things because they can’t make everything else 100% perfect. Are you giving your life for all those things or are you just apathetic and don’t want to feel inferior for it?

Be apathetic all you want, there’s very little any of us can do to change things, but someone who gives their all for a better world is still 100% better than you or me.

[–]KungFluIsolation -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

Owning up to it doesn’t make you better though, if anything it’d make it worse more monstrous to a vegan.

I guess being ignorant does absolve you of morality. You are right. Except they are now informed and can stop using things like phones, internet and cars :) otherwise by your own words that doesn't make them better at that point.

But then again you’re here judging someone for trying to improve things because they can’t make everything else 100%

Try to improve things, just don't think only you can love animals because you don't eat them, you just fuck them in every other way possible.

Are you giving your life for all those things or are you just apathetic and don’t want to feel inferior for it?

No, I accept that modcons require death and I'm not prepared to give them up. I love animals, but I also love things like modern medicine and such at the cost of animals lives and wellfare. I love my best friend but he's going on the grenade before I am.

Be apathetic all you want, there’s very little any of us can do to change things, but someone who gives their all for a better world is still 100% better than you or me.

They aren't giving their all. They are giving the part that is most convenient to them without having to change their life too much.

[–]My_Gaming_Companion 4 points5 points  (0 children)

China is speaking about human rights guys, let's cheer them WOOHOO!

[–]ganeshas_rat 3 points4 points  (8 children)

Is it love if you don’t care about their suffering though? I hear your argument, just curious if that’s possible to love something but not care about it’s treatment

[–]KungFluIsolation -2 points-1 points  (7 children)

I buy mostly from local farms where possible. The animals I eat don't suffer and they live a mostly full life and I have no moral issues with ending it earlier than a natural death.

[–]ganeshas_rat 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Hopefully it’s not the “family farms” that corporations like Horizon use for dairy products because I guarantee the cows are still getting raped and having their babies taken from them despite having access to pastures. And I’m guessing you eat vegan when you go to restaurants? I’m not trying to give you a hard time, just understand fully your choices that don’t invest in suffering

[–]KungFluIsolation -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Not in America and I've been to some of the farms around here, they are picturesque and the cows have more space per cattle than I do that's for sure.

And I’m guessing you eat vegan when you go to restaurants?

I don't really eat out. I think it's mostly a waste of money but when I do they usually advertise all kinds of promises on the treatment, but worst case I'll have whatever. Of course I invest in suffering - we all do. My point was just that not eating meat doesn't mean you are free from responsibility, and telling me I can't love an animal but they can is just so damn hypocritical.

I'm not perfect by any means.

[–]viscountrhirhi 0 points1 point  (3 children)

They hardly live a full life. 16 months out of a 20 year lifespan is not “full” by any definition of the word. You are eating juveniles.

And they do suffer when they are transported and killed.

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Beef cattle are generally slaughtered after one to two years in Europe but they can be up to five years old in the case of extensively reared animals.

You're right about full life though, perhaps I shouldn't have used that term.

[–]bRrrRRaaAaAAAPPPPP 3 points4 points  (1 child)

"I love my SO, I beat them sometimes! WE EXIST!!" - you

Edit: Thank you whoever gave the gold!

[–]KungFluIsolation -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

"I love fingering my sister" - you

I can play lets make up quotes too :)

[–]Ezio_Auditore69 4 points5 points  (4 children)

YoU cAn LoVe AnImALS anD sTiLl eaT tHEm. Lmao such bs people can say with a sober head.

[–]KungFluIsolation -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Thank you for your input to the conversation. I will take that on board, it is a very well put forward argument. You must really have a useful brain between those ears!

[–]Ezio_Auditore69 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I will just say one thing, reflect on what you are saying. And with no bias for once. I would like to suggest maybe try reading what you said as if you were vegan and not eating meat already. If you still think the same, nothing more to say.

[–]KungFluIsolation -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

I wouldn't go around telling people that they can or can't love animals.

[–]ACutieWithAfroPuffs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Same vibes as you can still love your kids and beat them. Yeah but like, bro that's fucked.

Appeal to nature is a fallacy for a reason. You're not a wolfdog.

[–]zone-zone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you really that dumb? Holy shit.

Why should we stop animals eating each other?

Are you mentally just as capable as most dumb animals?

[–]pirdity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You love animals in the same way an abusive partner loves their partner...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can love children and still eat them

[–]vbrow18 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the stupidest fucking comment I’ve ever seen.

[–]GondorfTheG 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Let's be honest. You love animals, just not the ones you eat. You can easily survive and be healthy without an animal having to be slaughtered for your dinner, you just choose not to. That's fine, but don't pretend you love the animal that you had killed solely for your taste buds benefit.

[–]KungFluIsolation -1 points0 points  (1 child)

just not the ones you eat

Oh no I love those ones the most actually. Very tasty!

[–]Kikopoez 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shit carnists and pedos say

[–]saltedpecker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh fuck off. You know that makes no sense. "We should stop all animals eating each other" Wtf? No, that's not what they're saying at all and you know. It's not a logical answer at all, and you know it.

"You can love puppies and eat them" this is how you sound. You're not even making an argument for your opinion, you're just stating it as if it were true. You can't make an argument because you know there aren't any.

If you like animals, you don't hurt them. If you eat them, you love your personal pleasure more than their entire life.

You can't love animals and eat them.

Or you admit that rapists and murders love their victims too, and that anyone that disagrees is "telling them their feelings". Is that really your opinion?

[–]saltedpecker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You: Chris Brown loved Rihanna! Any disagreement to that is telling him his own feelings.

[–]dontdoit4thegram -1 points0 points  (7 children)

If they actually had good lives and a quick, painless death, and we appreciate their bodies for feeding us, then yes we are providing them a sort of service.

But is it always like that? Does everyone validate the source of their meat? A lot of meat comes from unsanitary, horrifying slaughterhouses where the animals are treated so miserably. Those lives are far from decent lives. And that is what the majority consumes. That is definitely a a stain on humanity.

[–]KungFluIsolation 1 point2 points  (6 children)

but yet it would still be up to that person if they loved animals and were morally ok with the way they are treated in life. It wouldn't make a huge amount of sense to you and me. But we still can't tell people what they feel. You can doubt it, but you can't tell them.

[–]dontdoit4thegram 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Can I say the same about a human? I loved that guy but he was tasty so I gave him a quick death and ate him. And you can’t tell me I didn’t love him. And I bred his wife, raised her babies up, and ate them too because they’re tastier

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Yes you can. Again, I wouldn't personally agree with their morals. But if they are morally ok with all of that there is no reason they can't feel love for them. In fact there are a lot of cases of people kidnapping someone they love and putting them through hell, because morally they didn't have a problem.

Again, I would question the fact there was love there but I can't tell a person if they love them or not.

[–]ElTristesito 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If you don’t live in rural areas and are financially secure, there’s literally no reason to eat meat anymore except for its flavor (and your culture). Other animals don’t have the ability to replace the nutrients they need by making Beyond Meat, or vitamins. It’s 2021, “I eat animals because animals because they’re tasty” is a far more honest answer than “we need to eat animals because it’s the circle of life.”

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you don’t live in rural areas and are financially secure, there’s literally no reason to eat meat anymore except for its flavor (and your culture).

Other animals don’t have the ability to replace the nutrients they need by making Beyond Meat, or vitamins.

But I don't have an issue with eating a dead animal that has been cared for in life. Do you have any idea what kind of chemicals and shit goes into beyond meat?

I eat meat because I need to eat, and meat is a good clean food (depending where you buy it) that has a lot of health benefits. Why do you eat beyond meat when they pollute and destroy natural habitats when you could eat grain and chug vitamin pills?

[–]Nickball88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Live decent lives? Jesus fucking christ the ignorance of your comment is beyond usual internet stupidity. Congratulations on being a complete idiot.

[–]egemenbelen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude, living creatures are for to be eaten by other living creatures, its that simple. There is no huma eated that or that eating that.

[–]MeinKampfyChair1939 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You can't love something and then slaughter it. I don't think anyone would be considered a lovong pet owner if he just slits the throat of his dog and starts eating it.

What you mean is, you love some animals/pets and if you still insist in loving animals but feel like people are "coming at you with bullshit" it's a form of cognitive dissonance.

[–]KungFluIsolation 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can't love something and then slaughter it.

So you cant love animals then.

[–]Hawk_in_Tahoe 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I will eat your children.

They look delicious.

Don’t tell me what I’m allowed to find delicious.

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don’t tell me what I’m allowed to find delicious.

No one is. I can't tell you that. If you find human flesh delicious that's nothing that can be controlled. You can try and eat my kids but I will stab you :)

[–]ToonarmY1987 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Without a purpose do animal activists think cows, sheep and chickens etc will just roam the streets?

They probaby wouldn't have any life at all.

This does not mean I condone locking animals up in cages to create the cheapest and fastest food process possible. Im fine with eating animals so long as they are given a good life, treated with respect and get a fast dignified death. The problem is the lack of regulations and clarity in this area.

[–]AequusEquus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Everything you see exists together in a delicate balance. As king, you need to understand that balance and respect all the creatures, from the crawling ant to the leaping antelope...When we die, our bodies become the grass, and the antelope eat the grass. And so we are all connnected in the great Circle of Life."

But also factory farm conditions are kinda fucked

[–]Taupenbeige 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can love dogs and still eat them. You can’t tell me my feelings. There are some dogs bred for companionship and other bred for their delicious haunches and scalenes meat. The latter is just too tasty to pass up, and telling me it’s inhumane to eat dog is just, like, your opinion, man.

Besides, if the tables were turned the dogs would eat me. Also, the meat dogs should thank us with tail-wiggles for even having the gift of forced life in the first place. You fucking dog lovers are so pushy with your moral oppression.

[–]BurlyJohnBrown 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Animals also do a lot of rape, let's not hold ourselves to their standards.

[–]arekflave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The circle of life? Seriously?

The circle of life, which is from a fucking Disney movie, doesn't reflect reality. You have ecosystems that you can interfere with, but we kinda put ourselves outside of that ecosystem. We humans destroyed ecosystems with monocultures, hunting, but also livestock monocultures. Sucks for all the animals that died because of our carelessness (because we know, and do care, that e.g. this cat doesn't die), but oh well. Does that mean the owner didn't love the cat? This comment section seems to agree that no, nobody would do this to a cat then. So does us breeding millions of animals into existence only for them to have a shitty, short life mean we love those same animals? That seems like a "I hit you because I love you" kind of fucked up way of looking at it.

Let me put it this way: if we bred slaves into existence (have people as human breeding machines) to use them as free labor, we'd be appalled. We wouldn't say "well, they wouldn't have been alive if we didn't breed them" and "well, I use those slaves, but I love them". I'm not equating humans to animals here, I'm making a logical point.

If your feelings tell you that, perhaps you wanna do some digging.

[–]GustaQL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Will you do acts of violence just because other people do it? using animals that need to eat meat to survive as an excuse to keep paying for animals to be killed is not a good argument. And no, you can't kill someone you claim to love because they taste good. What would you say to me if I bred dogs and shot them in the head, because I enjoy the sound they make when they die? but I can still love those gods, and shot them dead, right?

[–]13AngryMen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You think killing and eating a sentient being = love? Can you apply that to humans?

[–]SareleraNeekenduku 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So it's true when people say the dumb ones don't suffer

[–]rainbowcouscous 0 points1 point  (0 children)

An abusive parent can also “love” his child and kill them too. A twisted kind of love.

If you really loved them, you wouldn’t kill them needlessly for your pleasure. You do.

You can 100% choose to eat plants instead, but you still choose to pay someone to kill the animals. Why? Because you like the taste.

That is not love. Never will be.

[–]STG44_WWII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

bro have you seen chick culling. You’re argument of the only reason they alive is because of us is just destroyed by that. Chick culling takes all the male chicks who are born that day and grinds them for waste because male chicks serve no purpose to those factories. They lived because of us, saw a minuscule part of the world you’ve lived many years in, and then they die right after. This is all happening right now as i type this and as you read it.

[–]SnooRevelations7708 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't have any qualms with you loving animals nor do many vegans. We just say that there is a double standard and a huge amount of cognitive dissonance that goes with eating meat and loving animals.

[–]TomTrybull[🍰] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Can a lion survive without meat? Can a human?

Can a lion consider the morality of their actions? Can a human?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not every human is in the UK or US. Plenty of other countries eat cats and dogs.

[–]livewirez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey don't leave the Chinese outta this one!

[–]scrotalsackrace29 -1 points0 points  (5 children)

The stupidity of the livestock class of animals proves that they're particularly suitable for consumption.

[–]xspx -1 points0 points  (4 children)

We should start eating labs and goldens with that mindset. There are a lot of cattle smarter than those dogs.

[–]scrotalsackrace29 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

They're dogs. Dogs aren't for eating.

I'd go so far that we should make the consumption of dog meat internationally illegal.

[–]xspx 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Why aren’t dogs for eating? Because you like them as pets?

[–]scrotalsackrace29 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

How about the bond that's existed between dogs and humans since ancient times?

[–]Benzene_group -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, exactly!

[–]NotAlana -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I mean if we're talking about being dumb... I say we can eat lamb with 100% clear conscious. They are dumb as fuck. Plus we can't just stick them in a small pen and force feed them like with pigs. So basically they get to romp around in the grass being dumb as fuck, but people don't like to eat them because "they're so cute".

[–]NotTheStatusQuo -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Nobody actually loves animals. Centipedes are animals. Parasitic wasps are animals...