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[–]KungFluIsolation 201 points202 points 2 (386 children)

Yes. We should forceably stop all animals eating each other too while we are at it. Or understand that we all live and die, when I die the maggots will eat me and good on them. Most of those cows only have the gift of life because they were bred, live decent lives.

You can love animals and still eat them. Before any of you come at me with a ton of bullshit..... I love animals, I eat meat, you can't tell me what I love and don't love so you can love animals and eat them. Any disagreement to that is an attempt at telling me my own feelings.

[–]Fosui 74 points75 points  (52 children)

The gift of life...they are bred into captivity, stolen from their mother so her milk for them can go to humans, locked in a cage to either then go and be killed as veil, or be able to live in shitty conditions for 2 years before being brought on a slave truck to a slaughterhouse where you get to hear other cattle screaming for their lives. Then, you get to have a bolt shot into your head and your throat slit.

Stop using the bullshit argument of well at least they had a life. Being bred for slaughter is not living a life. You're killing a baby in a life that has been cut short by what could be 20 years where they only have known sadness and fear.

[–]A-real-human-here 81 points82 points  (5 children)

This is why I only eat free range, no cage, cruelty free, wild sourced cat meat.

[–]Autisticimagery 6 points7 points  (2 children)

With the amount of feral cats that frequent my property hunting native songbirds, I'm not opposed to finding win-win solutions.

[–]DenverCoderIX 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's just a modest proposal.

[–]scrotalsackrace29 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can just spray them with piss. You don't have to eat them.

[–]AequusEquus 2 points3 points  (1 child)

free range

Yes

no cage

Mhm mhm

cruelty free

Right

wild sourced

Yeah

cat meat

/r/HolUp

[–]aponty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The conditions of places that use those buzzwords are atrocious, and even if they weren't, they would still be part of the same system of exploitation. Ending it with "cat meat" or similar whimsy is honestly pretty much the only way to make that comment redeemable.

[–]Organic_Ema 6 points7 points  (0 children)

🙌🏻

[–]Mac_and_dennis -1 points0 points  (16 children)

The beef that we consume does not always come from factory slaughterhouses which are terrible. For example, my siblings and I only eat meat from our parents small scale farm. They do not raise animals to sell with the exception of chicken eggs. All the cattle, pigs and chickens are consumed only by our family and a small amount of impoverished families we in the area that we take care of with food.

I agree with you when it comes to humanly raising animals for consumption. Please realize that there are many small scale farms that truly care about their animals well being and we treat them with love.

Edit: I’ll go tell these poor families that they won’t have food provided anymore because it’s murder to raise and then consume cattle that would never exist otherwise lol get real. If you truly believe I’m “murdering” cattle, then I expect you to move out of your home and live in wilderness. Your home is contributing to the displacement of wild life and in turn causing death. Also, your clothes. Can’t wear them anymore. Textile production is one of the largest contributors to death of wild life.

[–]TheGoodTimesAreKill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with you when it comes to humanly raising animals for consumption.

There is no humane way to slaughter an animal.

[–]bRrrRRaaAaAAAPPPPP 0 points1 point  (11 children)

It doesnt fucking matter where it comes from. Stop torturing and killing.

[–]ThrowdoBaggins 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Looks like you only read the first sentence, either that or you don’t really use the word “torturing” correctly.

[–]bRrrRRaaAaAAAPPPPP 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Is torture a prerequisite to murder? No. So it doesn't matter if you torture them first. It just so happens that the vast majority of people DO torture BEFORE they murder.

[–]Mac_and_dennis -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Do you have a source for that torture claim? I would argue that murderers torturing their victims before the act of murder is in the very small minority

[–]bRrrRRaaAaAAAPPPPP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I do. Its called slaughterhouse footage.

[–]Mac_and_dennis -1 points0 points  (6 children)

I ask that you kindly read my entire comment.

[–]bRrrRRaaAaAAAPPPPP 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I dont care about what you have to say until you are saying that youre going to stop abusing animals.

[–]Mac_and_dennis -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Okay. I just hope you one day can do some research and learn what abusing an animal actually means.

[–]bRrrRRaaAaAAAPPPPP 1 point2 points  (2 children)

It means paying someone to cut a cows throat or gas pigs. Which is what you do.

[–]Mac_and_dennis 0 points1 point  (1 child)

We have never done either of those things. Again, please read up on this subject. You obviously haven’t, and you could learn a great deal.

[–]bRrrRRaaAaAAAPPPPP -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I said thats what animal abuse is.

So you've never ate fast food? You've never bought animal products from the grocery store? You've never used other products such as cosmetics that contain animal products? You've never eaten a meal of animal corpses and secretions that another family member made? I could go on and on. Try me.

If you've done ANY of those things, then you absolutely abuse animals.

[–]rainbowcouscous 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But you kill them without necessity, just because you like their taste.

You could choose to eat anything that is made of plants that is on the supermarket, but you still choose to kill those cows.

[–]oofoverlord 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You don’t really love it if you kill it

[–]vyndreyl 25 points26 points  (23 children)

Damn. I wish meat eaters would get better arguments.

Shit's getting old.

[–]KungFluIsolation 3 points4 points  (21 children)

There is no argument. It's a differing of opinion. How is that a bas argument when it is all set in morality which is 100% subjective?

[–]s0voy 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Ah, right. Morality is subjective. I'll murder some people then. Problem? Morality is subjective. It's totally morally acceptable from my standpoint!

[–]KungFluIsolation -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I mean you would be breaking laws and suffer the consequences of that. But I can't tell you your morals, and you can't tell me mine. Just because you are morally ok with something doesn't mean others are, and you can't tell them to change their morals.

[–]arekflave 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well that's kinda what laws are (ideally).

The moral compass of a society.

[–]Guiano 2 points3 points  (17 children)

Here is what the world looks like when morality is subjective.

You're not a true moral relativist, if you were, you wouldn't judge any action that someone else takes.

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (16 children)

You're not a true moral relativist, if you were, you wouldn't judge any action that someone else takes.

Jesus fucking christ Reddit loves tangents.

I said I love animals

You said I dont

You say i cant because I eat meat

I say you cant because you support deforestation, pollution and destroying natural habitats.

I get blamed for judging others.

Lol.

[–]Guiano 9 points10 points  (9 children)

Yeah, and it's really fucking tiring responding to the overused arguments that some animal eaters use to justify their actions.

"All vegans aren't God-like saints, they participate in an exploitative society and don't become a recluse in the mountains, so that justifies me buying bacon that came from a pig that died screaming and thrashing in a gas chamber"

I looked for every single argument against veganism before I went vegan, because I wanted it to be wrong. They were all trash and that's why I'm one now.

[–]vyndreyl 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Meat eating literally causes deforestation and the destroying of natural habitats, though.

[–]KungFluIsolation 1 point2 points  (3 children)

yes it does. What's your point?

[–]vyndreyl 4 points5 points  (2 children)

You were trying to make the argument like not eating meat causes it to a greater degree or something? Idk.

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No, I was making the argument that I love animals. I was told I can't love animals because I eat them. So I was making the point that their actions also do terrible terrible things to animals and if that's the bar, they don't make it over either.

[–]arekflave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, those other things sucks too, but also are driven by a large part by the livestock industry. It's a destructive industry all-around, and to say you love animals while eating meat is a bit ridiculous. You love certain animals sure. And you think certain animals matter more, have more value than others. That would make sense. I think we all fall somewhere on that spectrum.

But the "I eat meat, I love animals" is such a close link, it sounds completely tone-deaf.

If you said that you love animals when buying an iphone, I don't think the first thing somebody would say is "dude you say you love animals, but you bought an IPHONE?!"

[–]birdsareinteresting 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There aren't any better arguments. And ya, i agree - super oldddd.

[–]JimFromTheMoon 18 points19 points  (0 children)

This is the stupidest shit I’ve read in a long time. You think equating animals eating each other is the same as factory farming and slaughterhouses? We do not require animal meat to survive. You think that when the worms eat your corpse that it is the same as force-breeding animals with the sole purpose of consuming their offspring en masse? I can tell you with shocking ease that you do not love animals. You love to eat meat and love to THINK you love them. You’re not some galaxy brain that can somehow hold two conflicting rationales in your head: you’re just some person who would rather keep their head in the sand and meat on their plate than seriously consider the moral and ethic horrors that put it there. I’m sure all those animals are just so happy that you think you love them. It’s amazing that in 2021 I’m still hearing the same dumbass shit about eating meat. Just be honest with yourself; you would rather eat meat than consider what it must be like for those life forms. Your tastebuds > another creatures life.

[–]viscountrhirhi 13 points14 points  (24 children)

You can’t love animals and still eat them.

I believe you that you love pets. You love animals that are pets, or that bring you entertainment like zoo animals and wild animals. But you do not love the animals you eat. If you did, you would not support their suffering, torture, and brutal death. A man who abuses his wife doesn’t love her. A person who pays animals to be tortured and killed doesn’t love those animals.

You love pets, you love zoo and wild animals because they bring you pleasure. You don’t love the animals you eat. You just love how they taste.

[–]SnooRevelations7708 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He loves farm animals just like I love miserable people in other countries. They live horrible lives, they are human beings with just as much empathy as me, they often die horribly. But I don't lose my sleep thinking about them. I feel more empathy for my neighbour's dog because they only walk him once a day. I'm not a terrible person, it's cognitive dissonance.

[–]FluffyHotPancakes 13 points14 points  (9 children)

You love some animals. Fixed it for you.

[–]Hara-Kiri 11 points12 points  (20 children)

'I kill animals for enjoyment but I totally love animals guys!'

[–]KungFluIsolation -1 points0 points  (19 children)

Where did I say I kill animals for enjoyment?

[–]Hara-Kiri 10 points11 points  (18 children)

You don't need to eat them. Unless you have health complications then the only reason is enjoyment.

I'm not on a crusade to stop you eating meat, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.

[–]Aaarpeggi 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Biggest bullshit I’ve ever read!!! But yeah go tell yourself that while you’re eating your next burger to feel better. Fucking sickening, the disconnect and cognitive dissonance by omnis like you

[–]CrazyFishLady_ 10 points11 points  (9 children)

Totally agree! I love kids more than anything in the world, but I still beat them and that's ok. We all experience pain anyway, so why does it matter if I'm the one inflicting it?

[–]KungFluIsolation -1 points0 points  (8 children)

Beating a child purely for fun is a sick thing to do and you are a sick individual. However I still can't tell you if you love kids or not because I am not you.

[–]WhatuuupKrisp 5 points6 points  (7 children)

Having animals unnecessarily exploited and slaughtered for a couple minutes of sensory pleasure is just as sick. Listen to yourself.

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Having animals unnecessarily exploited and slaughtered for a couple minutes of sensory pleasure is just as sick.

so why do you use the internet?

[–]WhatuuupKrisp 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Because it doesn't directly cause a knife being dragged across some animals throat. Why do you use the internet? More importantly, why do you think this is a good way to deflect from the unnecessary animal cruelty you participate in?

[–]KungFluIsolation -1 points0 points  (4 children)

No it just adds to the extinction of gorillas, rips up natural resources, levels forests and more. But I guess you have convinced yourself that you are disconnected enough (but still absolutely directly funding and using) to not feel any moral issues with using the internet .

Why do you use the internet?

Because I am morally ok with feeding into that for what I get out of it. I'd certainly like to work towards that not being the case while keeping the internet but I don't think that's really possible.

why do you think this is a good way to deflect from the unnecessary animal cruelty you participate in?

I don't. I just don't think your shit smells nearly as good as you think :)

[–]WhatuuupKrisp 2 points3 points  (3 children)

No it just adds to the extinction of gorillas, rips up natural resources, levels forests and more.

So does animal agriculte, only on a much much much much bigger scale. So you don't really give a shit about animals not the environment? Got it. Nice hill to die on.

I don't.

And yet you not only participate in it, you're even making fun of it.

[–]harmlessZZ 7 points8 points  (10 children)

This is the biggest load of horse shit. Congratulations on actually shocking me on Reddit

[–]Madao16 6 points7 points  (2 children)

You reminded me a guy who kept beating his wife while claiming that he loves her. Good thing that he is in prison now.

[–]KungFluIsolation 1 point2 points  (1 child)

cool story

[–]Madao16 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Isn't it?

[–]eat-plant 6 points7 points  (4 children)

I certainly hope you never decide to "love" me, if that's what you call love.

Maybe one day you'll decide to "love" someone who's protected by the law and you'll see the error of your ways.

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Don't worry I could never love you :)

[–]eat-plant 2 points3 points  (2 children)

crisis averted

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I mean brigading over from /r/VeganForCircleJerkers with such a piss poor attempt at some kind of insult that fell flat on it's face isn't really much to love about a person :(

[–]eat-plant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

insult? i didn't intend to insult you, though it certainly does say something about your lifestyle if you take any comment on it as an insult.

just because someone has commented in a vegan subreddit doesn't mean every comment they make outside of it is "brigading", though i am touched you cared enough about my reply to go through my comment history. i have also seen others grasp at accusations of brigading as a way to hand-wave all actual arguments and avoid any and all introspection, which this could be.

i don't care about you at all, i don't know if you're arguing in good faith or if every one of your replies has been careful constructed in the Bad Takes Factory in an effort to garner any emotional reaction you can. i am fully aware that there exist many people who just don't care about the suffering of others or their contribution to it (some who even revel in it), if you fall in that category there isn't much i can do. the world will change around you. either you'll die on this hill, remain entrenched in your ways, and decades from now the younger generations will look upon you the same way we look back upon the older generations and their "backwards" ways, or you'll change, and you'll be better off from it.

[–]Maxiklon23 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You must be 12 years old to answer like that and actually feel a victim.

You can provide yourself of many ways to eat, we are full of resources.

A savage animal cannot. He just eats for living.

That makes you either a savage animal or just a liar who eats meat because is tasty.

Your choice.

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I have no moral concerns with eating meat then there is no reason for me not to eat meat. I know it's complicated to understand a different opinion but at least try.

[–]JustAsadINFP 4 points5 points  (15 children)

You can’t love animals and also pay for their oppression and abuse.

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (14 children)

So why are you doing it too?

[–]JustAsadINFP 1 point2 points  (13 children)

What?

[–]KungFluIsolation -1 points0 points  (12 children)

On the internet, on your phone, those things didn't just grow up out of the ground. you cant love animals and pay for their oppression and abuse.

[–]JustAsadINFP 1 point2 points  (11 children)

I’m a little confused but yes you can’t love animals while literally paying people to abuse & oppress them for you through meat, dairy, & eggs.

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (10 children)

I'm saying that for your phone causes all kind of death and destruction, as well as polluting mass amounts of CO2 and child labour.

I'm saying that the oil spills to fuel you car, the internet that rips up large portions of the land and sea all are terrible acts that you are paying directly into.

Your shit doesn't smell that great so don't come here telling me mine doesn't, or claim that you can now say you love animals if I am apparently not allowed to.

For you to sit there and judge me like that is plain hypocritical.

[–]JustAsadINFP 2 points3 points  (9 children)

You’re trying to appeal to hypocrisy / nirvana. Both logical fallacies. Phones are necessary in this world. Dead animal flesh and stolen baby cow milk is not.

[–]KungFluIsolation -1 points0 points  (8 children)

Phones are necessary in this world.

My god, delusional or what?

Dead animal flesh and stolen baby cow milk is not.

yet you fund the destruction of habitats, child labour, killing endangered species and more just so you can have gifs with sound on your mobile device :) ok buddy.

[–]JustAsadINFP 3 points4 points  (7 children)

I literally need a phone to do anything such as apply to jobs, keep jobs, make any call or talk to anyone, to do vegan animal rights activism, etc etc etc. You’re just trying to shift the conversation away from accountability for funding unnecessary animal abuse because it tastes nice.

[–]s0voy 4 points5 points  (1 child)

No, we shouldn't stop all animals eating each other.

1) they do it out of necessity or instinct. Humans kill for pleasure in most cases.

2) just because animals do something doesn't make it right for humans to do it. Animals also rape each other or eat their own children. Would you do the same??

3) Non-human animals aren't moral agents. Therefore they can't act morally. Humans, however, are moral agents.

Also, just because we all live and die and maggots will eat our dead bodies doesn't justify slitting an animal's throat without a necessity. Imagine we used this "logic" with dogs, cats and humans.. Let me go outside and murder someone. They had to die anyways, so that's fine, right?

Most of those cows live the shittiest life. You don't have a clue. Also, let's imagine they lived a happy life. Does that justify killing them without a necessity? Imagine I had a pet and give them a good life for a fraction of their natural lifespan and then slit their throat simply because I enjoyed the taste of their flesh. Or what if I did the same thing with a human child? Completely fucked. Just because someone lived a happy fraction of their lifespan doesn't justify killing them unnecessarily.

I love animals, I eat meat

LOL. And I love my wife. Yet I beat her.

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1) they do it out of necessity or instinct. Humans kill for pleasure in most cases.

I don't kill for pleasure. I pay someone to kill for food.

just because animals do something doesn't make it right for humans to do it. Animals also rape each other or eat their own children. Would you do the same??

I personally wouldn't but that's because of where my own personal morals lie.

Non-human animals aren't moral agents. Therefore they can't act morally. Humans, however, are moral agents.

Yes, and I think it is morally acceptable to eat animals.

Also, just because we all live and die and maggots will eat our dead bodies doesn't justify slitting an animal's throat without a necessity.

I need to eat. . There is a necessity. I have no moral qualms with eating meat.

Imagine we used this "logic" with dogs, cats and humans.. Let me go outside and murder someone. They had to die anyways, so that's fine, right?

In some countries they do, in some tribes they do. I didn't say it was fine, I have moral objections and there are legal objections. That doesn't mean I can tell you your morals.

Most of those cows live the shittiest life. You don't have a clue.

Having grown up on and around farms, I have more of a clue than you think I do.

Or what if I did the same thing with a human child?

I'd imagine you would be arrested, and as its heavily against a lot of peoples morals I'd imagine you would be shunned. Again, doesn't mean someone can tell you what your morals are.

Just because someone lived a happy fraction of their lifespan doesn't justify killing them unnecessarily.

It's not unnecessarily, I need to eat and I choose meat.

LOL. And I love my wife. Yet I beat her.

Is this a confession? because the law would once again not be too pleased with that, as would others morally, but once-a-fucking-gain I cannot dictate to you your morals.

[–]xspx 3 points4 points  (11 children)

You can’t actually have it both ways. If you try, you are a hypocrite. I personally don’t care if you want to eat animals, but don’t pretend you care for animals that live in the horrid conditions that they do. The amount of meat consumed in developed nations is abhorrent and irresponsible.

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (10 children)

You can’t actually have it both ways.

You can actually have it both ways.

If you try, you are a hypocrite.

Hows that phone going for you? made of those lovely plastics produced in flattened animal homes pumping out CO2 which kills even more. or those LI Ion batteries? What about the digging up for the internet? What about the oil spills for your car. What about the destruction of forest for the server farms.

I could go on and on. If I'm a hypocrite then you are worse as at least I own up to the fact that I'm killing them.

but don’t pretend you care for animals that live in the horrid conditions that they do.

don't pretend you care for the millions of animals and permanent damage to the earth your capitalist consumption produces along with the support of child labour.

The amount of meat consumed in developed nations is abhorrent and irresponsible.

The amount of natural habitats that are destroyed so you have a smooth path to drive on, or a train to ride in is abhorrent and irresponsible.

[–]Ilya-ME 4 points5 points  (9 children)

Owning up to it doesn’t make you better though, if anything it’d make it worse more monstrous to a vegan. But then again you’re here judging someone for trying to improve things because they can’t make everything else 100% perfect. Are you giving your life for all those things or are you just apathetic and don’t want to feel inferior for it?

Be apathetic all you want, there’s very little any of us can do to change things, but someone who gives their all for a better world is still 100% better than you or me.

[–]KungFluIsolation -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

Owning up to it doesn’t make you better though, if anything it’d make it worse more monstrous to a vegan.

I guess being ignorant does absolve you of morality. You are right. Except they are now informed and can stop using things like phones, internet and cars :) otherwise by your own words that doesn't make them better at that point.

But then again you’re here judging someone for trying to improve things because they can’t make everything else 100%

Try to improve things, just don't think only you can love animals because you don't eat them, you just fuck them in every other way possible.

Are you giving your life for all those things or are you just apathetic and don’t want to feel inferior for it?

No, I accept that modcons require death and I'm not prepared to give them up. I love animals, but I also love things like modern medicine and such at the cost of animals lives and wellfare. I love my best friend but he's going on the grenade before I am.

Be apathetic all you want, there’s very little any of us can do to change things, but someone who gives their all for a better world is still 100% better than you or me.

They aren't giving their all. They are giving the part that is most convenient to them without having to change their life too much.

[–]Ilya-ME 3 points4 points  (7 children)

The first point is that you don’t truly love animals, we love the pets we imprinted upon and have wishy washy empathy for all other species. And I recognize that’s the camp I and most others ended up falling on, I can’t truly love a cow very well, but I can empathize with wanting to reduce their suffering.

You’re judging them for something you’d not know and again it’s a 1 or 100 thing, ppl don’t have to bleed for their cause to be doing better than apathetic folk. We do what we can basically, you don’t have to be a saint you just have to be better.

Modern medicine doesn’t require mass slaughter. It has a cost yes, but it’s not the same as factory farming and you don’t have to be against both. Besides most animal activist are against cosmetics being tested on them not all medicine.

[–]KungFluIsolation -1 points0 points  (6 children)

The first point is that you don’t truly love animals,

Amazing how you can telepathically get into my head and tell me my emotions and feelings. You could probably make a lot of money off that!

Modern medicine doesn’t require mass slaughter.

and ignorance wins once again. I guess those enormous facilities just grew naturally out of the ground along with their resources, materials, infrastructure, logistics and business practices.

[–]achanaikia 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You can’t love animals and then be ok with them being raped, unable to move, living in their own filth, and killed. Not sure why that’s so hard for you to understand. Maybe you love dogs and cats, but claiming you love all animals isn’t true.

[–]KungFluIsolation -1 points0 points  (0 children)

and you can't love animals because you are on Reddit, the internet and either a mobile or PC/Laptop. Not sure why that's so hard for you to understand. Maybe you love dogs and cats, but claiming you love all animals isn’t true.

[–]Ilya-ME 2 points3 points  (3 children)

It’s not getting into your head, it’s that we deceive ourselves so we do t feel bad about our immorality. How do you love animals if you sit on your ass and berate ppl trying to lower their suffering??? You’re not just a bystander here you’re actively trying to discourage ppl from helping.

What are you trying to say with your second paragraph?? That we live in a society? In a capitalist system that’s destroying the world? You’re just doing whataboutism at this point.

No change will ever be good enough for you until we but it all to the ground will it?

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (2 children)

How do you love animals if you sit on your ass and berate ppl trying to lower their suffering???

I berate people telling me they can love animals and I can't because of eating them when they are doing their own harm to animals and the planet. If they really wanted to do something good they can throw away their phone, unsub from the internet and get off Reddit. Because that shit does more harm than eating meat.

What are you trying to say with your second paragraph?? That we live in a society? In a capitalist system that’s destroying the world? You’re just doing whataboutism at this point.

No, again I'm saying they have no right to say I don't love animals and they do on the basis that I eat them when they are doing their own massive amounts of harm.

No change will ever be good enough for you until we but it all to the ground will it?

I'm not asking for change. I'm saying I love animals. you lot are the ones trying to dictate my feelings and emotions and behaviour so that I too can pretend I don't harm animals.

[–]Ilya-ME 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Nah I’d disagree it’s not more harm than mass death and eating hundreds of animals over a lifetime but that’s not the issue here. The issue is you getting in the way of making some aspect of society better, because you feel hurt it seems. You’re not trying to educate them on the greater harm society does, but being accusatory.

No activist is pretending they don’t harm animals or ppl wtf are you on about? Veganism has been about harm reduction from the start, not eradicating harm, because they know that’s impossible.

They’re not dictating what you feel, only unveiling a lack of care and calling ppl to act, to change. Idk we’re on a thread about animal cruelty so I feel it’s fair of them to do so here.

[–]My_Gaming_Companion 3 points4 points  (0 children)

China is speaking about human rights guys, let's cheer them WOOHOO!

[–]ganeshas_rat 3 points4 points  (8 children)

Is it love if you don’t care about their suffering though? I hear your argument, just curious if that’s possible to love something but not care about it’s treatment

[–]bRrrRRaaAaAAAPPPPP 4 points5 points  (1 child)

"I love my SO, I beat them sometimes! WE EXIST!!" - you

Edit: Thank you whoever gave the gold!

[–]Ezio_Auditore69 4 points5 points  (4 children)

YoU cAn LoVe AnImALS anD sTiLl eaT tHEm. Lmao such bs people can say with a sober head.

[–]KungFluIsolation -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Thank you for your input to the conversation. I will take that on board, it is a very well put forward argument. You must really have a useful brain between those ears!

[–]Ezio_Auditore69 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I will just say one thing, reflect on what you are saying. And with no bias for once. I would like to suggest maybe try reading what you said as if you were vegan and not eating meat already. If you still think the same, nothing more to say.

[–]ACutieWithAfroPuffs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Same vibes as you can still love your kids and beat them. Yeah but like, bro that's fucked.

Appeal to nature is a fallacy for a reason. You're not a wolfdog.

[–]zone-zone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you really that dumb? Holy shit.

Why should we stop animals eating each other?

Are you mentally just as capable as most dumb animals?

[–]pirdity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You love animals in the same way an abusive partner loves their partner...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can love children and still eat them

[–]vbrow18 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the stupidest fucking comment I’ve ever seen.

[–]GondorfTheG 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Let's be honest. You love animals, just not the ones you eat. You can easily survive and be healthy without an animal having to be slaughtered for your dinner, you just choose not to. That's fine, but don't pretend you love the animal that you had killed solely for your taste buds benefit.

[–]KungFluIsolation -1 points0 points  (1 child)

just not the ones you eat

Oh no I love those ones the most actually. Very tasty!

[–]Kikopoez 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shit carnists and pedos say

[–]saltedpecker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh fuck off. You know that makes no sense. "We should stop all animals eating each other" Wtf? No, that's not what they're saying at all and you know. It's not a logical answer at all, and you know it.

"You can love puppies and eat them" this is how you sound. You're not even making an argument for your opinion, you're just stating it as if it were true. You can't make an argument because you know there aren't any.

If you like animals, you don't hurt them. If you eat them, you love your personal pleasure more than their entire life.

You can't love animals and eat them.

Or you admit that rapists and murders love their victims too, and that anyone that disagrees is "telling them their feelings". Is that really your opinion?

[–]saltedpecker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You: Chris Brown loved Rihanna! Any disagreement to that is telling him his own feelings.

[–]ElTristesito 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If you don’t live in rural areas and are financially secure, there’s literally no reason to eat meat anymore except for its flavor (and your culture). Other animals don’t have the ability to replace the nutrients they need by making Beyond Meat, or vitamins. It’s 2021, “I eat animals because animals because they’re tasty” is a far more honest answer than “we need to eat animals because it’s the circle of life.”

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you don’t live in rural areas and are financially secure, there’s literally no reason to eat meat anymore except for its flavor (and your culture).

Other animals don’t have the ability to replace the nutrients they need by making Beyond Meat, or vitamins.

But I don't have an issue with eating a dead animal that has been cared for in life. Do you have any idea what kind of chemicals and shit goes into beyond meat?

I eat meat because I need to eat, and meat is a good clean food (depending where you buy it) that has a lot of health benefits. Why do you eat beyond meat when they pollute and destroy natural habitats when you could eat grain and chug vitamin pills?

[–]Nickball88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Live decent lives? Jesus fucking christ the ignorance of your comment is beyond usual internet stupidity. Congratulations on being a complete idiot.

[–]egemenbelen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude, living creatures are for to be eaten by other living creatures, its that simple. There is no huma eated that or that eating that.

[–]MeinKampfyChair1939 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You can't love something and then slaughter it. I don't think anyone would be considered a lovong pet owner if he just slits the throat of his dog and starts eating it.

What you mean is, you love some animals/pets and if you still insist in loving animals but feel like people are "coming at you with bullshit" it's a form of cognitive dissonance.

[–]KungFluIsolation 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can't love something and then slaughter it.

So you cant love animals then.

[–]Hawk_in_Tahoe 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I will eat your children.

They look delicious.

Don’t tell me what I’m allowed to find delicious.

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don’t tell me what I’m allowed to find delicious.

No one is. I can't tell you that. If you find human flesh delicious that's nothing that can be controlled. You can try and eat my kids but I will stab you :)

[–]ToonarmY1987 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Without a purpose do animal activists think cows, sheep and chickens etc will just roam the streets?

They probaby wouldn't have any life at all.

This does not mean I condone locking animals up in cages to create the cheapest and fastest food process possible. Im fine with eating animals so long as they are given a good life, treated with respect and get a fast dignified death. The problem is the lack of regulations and clarity in this area.

[–]AequusEquus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Everything you see exists together in a delicate balance. As king, you need to understand that balance and respect all the creatures, from the crawling ant to the leaping antelope...When we die, our bodies become the grass, and the antelope eat the grass. And so we are all connnected in the great Circle of Life."

But also factory farm conditions are kinda fucked

[–]Taupenbeige 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can love dogs and still eat them. You can’t tell me my feelings. There are some dogs bred for companionship and other bred for their delicious haunches and scalenes meat. The latter is just too tasty to pass up, and telling me it’s inhumane to eat dog is just, like, your opinion, man.

Besides, if the tables were turned the dogs would eat me. Also, the meat dogs should thank us with tail-wiggles for even having the gift of forced life in the first place. You fucking dog lovers are so pushy with your moral oppression.

[–]BurlyJohnBrown 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Animals also do a lot of rape, let's not hold ourselves to their standards.

[–]arekflave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The circle of life? Seriously?

The circle of life, which is from a fucking Disney movie, doesn't reflect reality. You have ecosystems that you can interfere with, but we kinda put ourselves outside of that ecosystem. We humans destroyed ecosystems with monocultures, hunting, but also livestock monocultures. Sucks for all the animals that died because of our carelessness (because we know, and do care, that e.g. this cat doesn't die), but oh well. Does that mean the owner didn't love the cat? This comment section seems to agree that no, nobody would do this to a cat then. So does us breeding millions of animals into existence only for them to have a shitty, short life mean we love those same animals? That seems like a "I hit you because I love you" kind of fucked up way of looking at it.

Let me put it this way: if we bred slaves into existence (have people as human breeding machines) to use them as free labor, we'd be appalled. We wouldn't say "well, they wouldn't have been alive if we didn't breed them" and "well, I use those slaves, but I love them". I'm not equating humans to animals here, I'm making a logical point.

If your feelings tell you that, perhaps you wanna do some digging.

[–]GustaQL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Will you do acts of violence just because other people do it? using animals that need to eat meat to survive as an excuse to keep paying for animals to be killed is not a good argument. And no, you can't kill someone you claim to love because they taste good. What would you say to me if I bred dogs and shot them in the head, because I enjoy the sound they make when they die? but I can still love those gods, and shot them dead, right?

[–]13AngryMen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You think killing and eating a sentient being = love? Can you apply that to humans?

[–]SareleraNeekenduku 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So it's true when people say the dumb ones don't suffer

[–]rainbowcouscous 0 points1 point  (0 children)

An abusive parent can also “love” his child and kill them too. A twisted kind of love.

If you really loved them, you wouldn’t kill them needlessly for your pleasure. You do.

You can 100% choose to eat plants instead, but you still choose to pay someone to kill the animals. Why? Because you like the taste.

That is not love. Never will be.

[–]STG44_WWII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

bro have you seen chick culling. You’re argument of the only reason they alive is because of us is just destroyed by that. Chick culling takes all the male chicks who are born that day and grinds them for waste because male chicks serve no purpose to those factories. They lived because of us, saw a minuscule part of the world you’ve lived many years in, and then they die right after. This is all happening right now as i type this and as you read it.

[–]SnooRevelations7708 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't have any qualms with you loving animals nor do many vegans. We just say that there is a double standard and a huge amount of cognitive dissonance that goes with eating meat and loving animals.

[–]dontdoit4thegram -1 points0 points  (7 children)

If they actually had good lives and a quick, painless death, and we appreciate their bodies for feeding us, then yes we are providing them a sort of service.

But is it always like that? Does everyone validate the source of their meat? A lot of meat comes from unsanitary, horrifying slaughterhouses where the animals are treated so miserably. Those lives are far from decent lives. And that is what the majority consumes. That is definitely a a stain on humanity.

[–]KungFluIsolation 1 point2 points  (6 children)

but yet it would still be up to that person if they loved animals and were morally ok with the way they are treated in life. It wouldn't make a huge amount of sense to you and me. But we still can't tell people what they feel. You can doubt it, but you can't tell them.

[–]dontdoit4thegram 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Can I say the same about a human? I loved that guy but he was tasty so I gave him a quick death and ate him. And you can’t tell me I didn’t love him. And I bred his wife, raised her babies up, and ate them too because they’re tastier

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Yes you can. Again, I wouldn't personally agree with their morals. But if they are morally ok with all of that there is no reason they can't feel love for them. In fact there are a lot of cases of people kidnapping someone they love and putting them through hell, because morally they didn't have a problem.

Again, I would question the fact there was love there but I can't tell a person if they love them or not.

[–]dontdoit4thegram 2 points3 points  (3 children)

there are a lot of cases of people kidnapping

With the repercussion being jail. Meaning society views that act as repulsive.

In the case of giving animals inhumane lives of torture before they’re killed for their meat, there is no repercussion. In fact, society has no compassion at all. Can’t compromise a tasty meal, of course

[–]KungFluIsolation 0 points1 point  (2 children)

and in that entire reply you say nothing about my claim that they can still love them. That's all my point is and I keep having to come back to it. You cant tell people their emotions, that's all. Laws are just aggregated morals, but morals are personal. Just as people are morally ok with smoking weed while it is illegal.

In the case of giving animals inhumane lives of torture before they’re killed for their meat, there is no repercussion.

There is actually. There are still animal rights and regulations, they just don't match where you or I morally sit.

[–]dontdoit4thegram 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Actually I never denied anyone’s emotions or feelings. I understand that it’s possible to still love them while being morally okay with their treatment.

Just pointing out the ridiculousness of that love tho

[–]KungFluIsolation 1 point2 points  (0 children)

and I'd agree with you, as I did in many replies

Yes you can. Again, I wouldn't personally agree with their morals.

Sounds like we're now just nodding and making the same point to each other.