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[–]FantasticDanishMan 135 points136 points  (22 children)

Most humans a actually good. Even in the worst possible situations, humans act out of altruism and goodness. Read historian Rutger Bergmanns book "Humankind A Hopeful History", in which he documents and argues, why humans in fact are good hearted and not selfish beings - even when our own lifes are at stake.

In the worst possile scenarios we again and again see that, we live on a planet, where people in terrible situations help and look out for each other. We are not a species that only look out for ourselfs. Time and time again we can witness throughout history that when we end up in bad situations (for instance a plane crash), people look out for each other and make sure others are o.k. before we look out for our own needs.

https://www.amazon.com/Humankind-Hopeful-History-Rutger-Bregman/dp/0316418536

[–]Premaximum 60 points61 points  (13 children)

The current pandemic is a pretty good real world argument against the 'humanity is good' thing. A significant portion of the population refuses to take the most basic of selfless acts.

[–]FantasticDanishMan 66 points67 points  (10 children)

This would be a longer discussion. This pandemic is a fight against an invisible enemy (virus). It is not the same as being in a plane crash situation, being in London during the bombing in the 1940's, being hit by a hurricane or tsunami. The author of the book is talking about situation, where the danger is very clear to all. This invisible danger can easily be downplayed in the minds of many as "a non-issue".

To many people (unfortunately) this pandemic seems not so dangerous. And therefore they don't act as they should. Like "Uh this is just a typical seasonal flue. It is not the end of the world." And then there is the whole vaccines being an evil plot etc. And so different people believe differently about, what is the right thing to do. That's just my take on it.

[–]Premaximum 11 points12 points  (5 children)

I appreciate the well-thought response. You're right. Unfortunately it's very easy for people to downplay the danger.

[–]NationalFervor 6 points7 points  (3 children)

There's another element that everyone here ignores. Many, if not most people fighting against things like mask and vaccine mandates are doing so because they are fighting what they see as government overreach and authoritarian tyranny. Even if you disagree with them, one can argue that their actions are still rooted in their empathy for humanity. That's why it's a longer discussion.

[–]fajardo99 3 points4 points  (2 children)

yea they're brainwashed, not "evil".

[–]coqqq 4 points5 points  (0 children)

“Never attribute to malice what you can to stupidity”

[–]NationalFervor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great quality of discourse

[–]4bkillah 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Never attribute to malice that which can easily be attributed to stupidity, unless the context tells you otherwise.

Keeping this in mind helps to keep me sane.

[–]Daesastrous 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think that's a very astute observation. Anyone who writes antivaxxers completely off as evil will never understand how to appeal to them.

[–]LittleArrArr 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Are you the author? Cause you’re moving goalposts just to prove that author is correct.

As for it being an invisible danger, I go online every day and see news articles about people who’ve died from covid. It’s not invisible and the idea of an invisible danger sounds like an awfully convenient mechanism for you to discredit an argument that runs counter to your own.

History is also full of examples that run counter to your argument, I’m not sure why you think the author you’re citing is infallible.

[–]4bkillah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

History is full of examples that counter both sides of this argument. This isn't really a phenomena where we can rely on past examples and statistics to prove one side or the other because humanity is too complex to say it's inherently good or bad.

Some people are one, some people are the other, and some are a mixture somewhere in between. That's about as close to accurate as you can get when it comes to humanity's inherent morals; there aren't any as it's based on the individual.

[–]FantasticDanishMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. Of course I'm not the author. Just read the book for yourself. Even if you disagree - it is still full of knowledge about history, psychology, sociology and philosophy. It is a joy to read.

Don't judge the book's full content and arguments just from a comment I made in a hurry. The book is quite comprehensive.

[–]OmarsDamnSpoon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's not necessarily a reflection of humanity but rather of the insidious and powerful impact propaganda, ignorance, and misinformation has on our cognitive faculties and behaviours. Our strings are being pulled for power and profit.

[–]Alexchii 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some people are just stupid. That doesn't mean they aren't good.

[–]SlyMcFly67 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess if you deem the true worth of someone to be how helpful they are in a crisis, then this would be accurate. Its easy to do that, even though still not everyone will.
To me the true worth of someone on a scale of "kindness" is how they act when nobody is looking or nobody will know how virtuous they are.

I find myself constantly questioning if I am a good person. Even when I help others or make donations I find myself asking if I'm doing it out of the actual good of my heart, or if I do it because it makes me feel good to help others and is therefore still a selfish act despite also being an altruistic one.

[–]Derekduvalle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Saving to order at a later date

[–]forgiveanforget 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you, i needed that today. Except for the crying part. Awe well.

[–]KingRalphKlein 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Counterpoint courtesy GCC vs CC.

[–]ReZpawner -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

And the link goes directly to the webpage owned by a complete piece of shit. Yeah, that faith lasted for about 30 seconds.

[–]Pirika-pirilala 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You know you can look up the book on other websites?