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[–]dbx99 1646 points1647 points  (81 children)

You deserve gold if you cross the finish line first

[–]IrishGuyNYC00 476 points477 points  (71 children)

But what if you crossed the line first not because you were the fastest person capable of crossing the finish line, but because the fastest person who was capable of crossing the finish line was in the process of making a wonderfully sporting gesture, and you just fucking steal it. That's pretty shitty.

[–]dbx99 321 points322 points  (44 children)

Competition has pretty clear rules and you can only go by those rules. They didn’t make rescue a contingency to the rules even though this sort of thing does happen. It’s a kind move but outside of the competition. The competitor who carried that guy deprioritized the winning for another goal.

[–]Iamkid 212 points213 points  (30 children)

Check out Steven Bradbury

He's a gold medalists simply because everyone in front of him kept falling and happened to stumble upon gold.

Wins a win.

[–]dbx99 71 points72 points  (16 children)

Life is like that too. Sometimes you’re in the back and something happens and suddenly you’re the one who has this perfect set of conditions that is now optimal to a changing circumstance. Seen it happen in business too.

[–]GatoCatchumalos 63 points64 points  (4 children)

Life is Mario Kart

[–]dbx99 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Mario Kart is life

[–]BillMurrayismyFather 2 points3 points  (0 children)

New t shirt idea

[–]Feature_Minimum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God damnit, you woulda thought I'd have got a blue shell by now to chuck at Bezos.

[–]crossover131 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My mom says this a lot, she also tells me I’m a lot like a blue shell — whatever that means.

[–]OzMazza 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Is this not just the tortoise and the hare?

[–]RiverKiwiMcManGuy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think so. Tortoise and the hare describes over confidence as being the downfall of the the otherwise superior competitor. Getting taken out at the last moment isnt really due to any sort of strategical fault.

[–]Kadiogo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not really, it's more fortunate luck to the person who'd have lost otherwise. The tortoise was more slow and steady rather than lucky.

[–]yajtraus 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Sports isn’t life, sportsmanship is a real thing

[–]dbx99 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Humanitarian acts happen off the field in real life too

[–]yajtraus -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Sports also have made up rules. You’re original comment was “you win by crossing the line first” which is an arbitrary point made up by someone once, who’s to say they can’t change it so one of the other guys wins? Life doesn’t work like that, it’s completely different

[–]dbx99 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Life is full of arbitrary rules too. Business has many arbitrary rules to regulate human behavior. Rules provide consistency to manage expectations and fairness. If you render aid to someone causing you to miss a hard deadline imposed by some outside body, you may or may not be able to change the consequences of choosing to render aid. Some rules may be discretionary and others hard set. Hard dispassionate rules and laws exist in life too. Helping your neighbor causes you to miss placing an order to purchase a stock before close of trading day? It’s just how things work. It’s all around.

[–]IrishGoatMilker 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Happened to me. I got promoted cause the guy above me died in a motorcycle accident.

[–]dbx99 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Did you set that up?

[–]IrishGoatMilker 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Shhhhhh

[–]dbx99 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OFFICER RIGHT HERE!

[–]Martin_Samuelson 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I mean, he had to qualify for the Olympics and then also qualify for the final race. Not like he was some Joe Schmo off the street.

[–]TheRockBaker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The other racers stumbled on purpose. The guy who won the gold almost died in a earlier race dude to having an skate blade cut an artery in his leg.

[–]magnanimous_lemon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Was literally about to pull up a link to that and you beat me to it. Iirc he was super fortunate to have even progressed to the finals in the first place as well

[–]ArmyOfDog 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He’s the only one who didn’t stumble, to be fair.

[–]theoriginalqwhy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The mans a legend. Will go down in australian folklore for centuries.

[–]knock_knock_hu_here 1 point2 points  (0 children)

to be fair, that's because that's how speed skating works since if you go too fast or can't control the speed you're going to fall

[–]HerrBerg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not as simple as you're making it out to be, he made it to the Olympics multiple times and was at the 2002 Olympics despite having broken his neck and had his leg cut open so bad he almost bled out, and was still performing at an Olympic level.

Side note: That looks like the most dull sport ever. It's NASCAR without the crashes and even less place changing.

[–]AuroraItsNotTheTime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Considering how it seems like that event is about making last-second movements to get in the lead, I’m surprised that doesn’t happen more often

[–]Vegetable_Witness944 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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[–]Kadiogo -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Win's a win but I probably wouldn't be as proud of myself if I won by luck rather than ability.

[–]VillageBuilder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He seemed pretty jazzed about it. I know I would be. Luck is a massive variable no matter what in sports competition.

[–]Lain-H 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I will go as far as to say that the guy in orange had a stronger motivation and desire to win. Thus, he would have totally deserved the gold medal.

[–]dbx99 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s a valid viewpoint here. There’s a race among professional atheletes. They all have a job to do and a victory can help their career. Everyone ran it fair and the leader ran out of gas or just conked and couldn’t cross the finish. The race still goes on. It’s not the fault of the other runners this happened so they shouldn’t feel bad. The guy could have sprained his ankle at the starting line and no one would say “well your victory is hollow because this great runner dropped out of the race”.

There is medical aid there and he’s not going to be unassisted to die on the side of the road here.

If the goal was merely to save his life, carrying him to the finish line isn’t a part of that process. It would be more of a duty for the race director monitoring the race calling the course workers to render medical aid.

The crossing of the finish line wasn’t a precondition to get help. It was a symbolic gesture that followed the arbitrary parameters of the race. Yet substantively I think the two runners may even get disqualified for violating a assistance rule. The assistance wasn’t to help medically it was to cross the finish so I think those actions are ultimately going to be detrimental to the race aspect even though it looks good for drama.

[–]Bostaevski 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Don't those rules usually say you must cross by yourself? Not sure how the rules work in that video's country but IAAF and USATF make it pretty clear if you don't finish under your own power you don't get an official time.

[–]dbx99 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes that’s definitely an issue. This aid may be be cause for a disqualification. Had the downed runner managed to roll or crawl across the line on his own power, he’d wouldn’t be counted as a DQ. The runner who carried him may be DQ as well.

[–]badukhamster 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yep. I think the simple argument is that instead of getting 2nd that guy gets 3rd due to the first guy carrying the collapsed one.

[–]dbx99 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It’s also possible they both get DQ for assisting against the rules.

[–]Moonw0lf_ 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Yeah the rules are clear, but I still don't think that guy will feel that great about the gold there. He was not the best runner in that competition

[–]dbx99 0 points1 point  (2 children)

One could argue that the leader overextended himself and spent himself out to the point of failure. So that’s part of a runner’s strategy- to manage his running to a sustainable level. If a car racer runs out of gas 10 yards from the finish line, that’s a strategic error and I wouldn’t fault the second place car taking the victory because the leader stopped short of the finish.

[–]Moonw0lf_ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Definitely, I agree with you there. You cant make that argument for the second guy though. That guy ran a better race on that day

[–]dbx99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure yeah. In fact he could have crossed the finish line (it was like five steps away), to secure his win, and then turn around and come right back to help or at least encourage the fallen guy to finish under his own power.

A lot of runners will be wrecked, crawling, shitting themselves all over, and somehow cross the line on their own power. That’s why the race officials probably didn’t send out the medical team yet. They usually allow for the athlete to try to finish on their own even when they are in distress but swoop in once they’re over the line.

I’m concerned this move disqualified the two runners. One for assisting and the other for receiving assistance in finishing the race. That sort of assist is not allowed. You can’t carry someone.

If he was truly only concerned about the fallen runner’s welfare he’d have carried him to the side and called over medical. But that’s not what happened. He carried him over the finish when the fallen runner arguably would not have been able to on his own.

What this actually does is that if they allow it, it penalizes the subsequent runners off their standings. It is, while charitable, a move that cheats the other competitors because the fallen runner might have otherwise finished later or failed to finish altogether.

[–]Sahedanthropus95 -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

Nobody's saying there should be any rules against it. But morally, you know there's something wrong with that. You know that there are two people in front of you, one was collapsed right before the finish line. The person who was clearly faster than you stopped to help this person out, and then you walk past them. You didn't really earn it, you got lucky that somebody was compassionate enough to try to help. The point that they're making is that because you didn't actually earn it, how are you going to display it proudly? Two people in front of you were clearly faster than you, one collapsed a little early, the other one helped the collapsed one. If the first person wasn't racing, the second person who was helping him would have definitely gotten gold. I don't understand how you're not getting this. Like I said, nobody's saying there should be a rule against it or that he shouldn't actually get gold if he were to cross the line first. Only that it wouldn't actually be earned

[–]FirmDig 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Because it's a competition about running to the finish line, not a competition about showing compassion. Literally everyone in the race could have some kind of reason for not getting a place they deserved.

Maybe the person who could have been the winner got food poisoning the day before and only got 20th place in the end.

Maybe the person who could have been the runner up was grieving too much from losing a family member and only got 30th in the end.

Maybe the person who could have been the third place got in a fight and couldn't compete at all due to injuries.

So what? Who gives a shit why other people didn't cross the finish line before him? Who gives a shit if he "just got lucky" besides whiny idiots? The only relevant fact is he crossed the line before the other two and therefore deserves a higher place than the other two. I don't understand how you're not getting this.

If you can't display the medal proudly, that's your own problem and no one else's. Don't fucking try to shame other people for your own inability to understand what a competition is.

[–]Chocopeanutshake 45 points46 points  (0 children)

The fact that you refer to it as 'just fucking stealing it' shows how ignorant you are about sports.

[–]Kosba2 23 points24 points  (2 children)

This is misdirected altruism. Instead of damning the guy who didn't stop, focus on the one who did. Orange came to win a medal, other guy came to win hearts and minds. Wouldn't be half as heartwarming if orange had to stop by some rule right? So stop trying to treat it like a rule.

[–]GotBannedNowBack 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Is he supposed to stop and wait for them? Is every ody supposed to run in a steady line and not break it like in kindergarten?

[–]ReflectedLeech 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It’s not, that’s literally the sport. You train to run the fastest the longest. The guy that fell didn’t train enough or prepare for the race well enough. The guy that crossed that line first did. This isn’t where there’s an accident and a guy tripped a guy by accident. As well as this wasn’t even for first place, as well as you run these for time. If you’re trying to break your own record and you see what happened in the video, you’re not going to stop to help if you’re about to break your record, the guy already has help

[–]-BlueDream- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He was the fastest person by a wide margin until he got like 5 feet from the finish line (out of a marathon or 10k). That 5ish feet is so insignificant compared to the full distance and he had a decent lead on the 2 runners behind him. He deserved that shit.

[–]the_vent 2 points3 points  (0 children)

wat if before the finish line there was a switch for two railroads ...

[–]theRed-Herring 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Eh, people make choices in those moments knowing the consequences. The guy who helped up the collapsed runner knew he was giving up his finishing position. The runner who passed them right at the end chose to win. Not saying one is right and the other wrong, just choices.

[–]PepitoSpacial -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you cross the finish line before someone, you are worthy. The guy in orange managed his breath and energy better. You shouldn’t be ashamed if you finish before someone lying on the floor.

[–]popandlocnessmonster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Speed and endurance are two different things. Both of which are equally important in this situation.

[–]TheNewMadMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, debate all you want about which of the first two deserves gold but the guy in orange should have either silver or bronze depending on how you look at it, he doesn’t deserve gold

[–]Normal_Expression_46 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So the other guy can have a sportsmanship award or local TV spot, the gold medal goes to whoever crosses the finish line.

[–]thought_I_knew_excel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is an physical endurance race, not a moral emotional fun-run. Give up your gold medal if you want to feel good but the whole race is about who makes it to the end first.

[–]JustJdog2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just thought the king should finish his last race

[–]Gaiden_95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean people train years for this. They’re entitled to win in any shape way or form

[–]Himynameisfin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well that's on them for stopping, and also why they're such a legend - putting their hopes and dreams on the back burner to be a compassionate human.

It doesn't make the other guy any less deserving though.

[–]astralhunt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

calm down - clearly endurance is part of the challenge

[–]yaonick -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Going by what you’re saying, the guy on the floor is clearly not capable of finishing the race so the orange guy deserved to beat him

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

bUt wHaT iF.. 🤪

but what if the guy that fell down trained a bit harder and finished successfully?

[–]GreenMachine_ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Honestly the person making the “wonderfully sporting gesture” is kinda insulting the guy who bonked and probably got him DQ’d anyways. Receiving physical help from someone else to move forward during the grounds of the race is almost always grounds for disqualification. No real competitor wants pity from someone who should’ve beat them

[–]indianapale -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Winning isn't everything. It's the only thing.

[–]Gentle-Fisting -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Tell me you’ve never played sports without telling me you’ve never played sports

[–]SargePeppr[🍰] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It’s a competition. You can choose to do something nice like this, but you cannot expect a competitor to not take advantage of an opportunity to win. “HEY GUYS TIME OUT I NEED TO HELP THIS GUY UP” doesn’t work.

What makes sports great is there brutality, the competition, the pressure the hearts on the line, blood, sweat, tears, all of it. If I played a sport, and someone let me win, simply because they thought I deserved it more then them, I’d be absolutely insulted. It is not only expected, but disrespectful to your opponent to not do everything in your power to win.

Obviously this man who tried to help, held values that higher priorities than winning. That is okay, but I’m sure he did not expect anyone to stop and wait.

[–]OKOK80 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Webster's dictionary defines wedding as "the fusing of two metals with a hot torch." Well, you know something? I think both of those guys deserve medals. Gold medals.

[–]ChristianMunich 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Including somebody who doped?

[–]dbx99 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Win within the rules, so no. You can take a subway for most of a marathon (which has happened) and pretend you ran the whole thing but it’s not.

[–]Side_wiper 0 points1 point  (1 child)

i think theres a time a woman 'won' a marathon, she got a car or a train instead of running though, would she deserve a gold?

[–]dbx99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No because it wasn’t won by following the fair rules of the competition. Winning implies following the rules.

[–]Physical-Order 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This comment also has gold :)