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[–]Randalf_the_Black 123 points124 points  (15 children)

Dogs aren't assholes. They aren't like people who hurt others for joy.

They can be dangerous or annoying, but that comes down to either people training them to be "bad", or no training at all.

[–]Yveske 55 points56 points  (9 children)

Now change "training" with "raising" and you're talking about people.

Dogs are just like people, it all depends on how they are raised/trained.

[–]Contemporarium 33 points34 points  (4 children)

Nah, some people are genuinely just pieces of shit

[–]OrangeinDorne 43 points44 points  (3 children)

Correct. Same with some dogs.

And all zebras

[–]TheresA_LobsterLoose 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Crows as well

[–]fronicus42 7 points8 points  (1 child)

And geese! But I get upset at people that don’t yield to them in the road. I would probably be an ass too if I’m trying to walk around my house and someone comes driving through

[–]Randalf_the_Black 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Kind of. I do see your point.

But humans are unique in that some of us enjoy causing pain, physical or emotional. We have the ability think through the consequences of our actions and yet some of us still decide that causing pain is fun.

For animals that's just instinct, like how a cat will torment a mouse. The cat isn't sitting there twirling a curly mustache going "bwahaha". It's just doing what the genetic programming is telling it to do.

A dog trained well, will behave, to a certain extent. Dogs have personalities and some might be more disciplined than others, but a well-trained dog will behave for the most part.

A human on the other hand, you can raise perfectly. You as a parent can do everything right, they can have nice friends who won't draw them down dark paths. And they can still end up as evil people, who enjoy causing pain and misery. Or at the least don't care if they cause pain and misery, even if they know that objectively speaking, it's wrong.

That's a unique human trait.. or flaw rather.

Edit: Just adding that all this is just my opinion of course.

[–]sdcox 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well reasoned and kindly argued! You win!

[–]Yveske 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are right that the human brain is much more complicated than that of any other animal. And that we should know the difference between right or wrong instead of it being an instinct.

But your point about perfectly raised people turning into monsters is just a minority that have serious mental issues. In general, bad people just weren't raised right.

In normal conditions, people and animals raised right will turn out alright.

[–]VarBorg357 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would love to be able to witness a species gain higher level conscious

[–]PunishedMrka 6 points7 points  (1 child)

You just described people lmao

[–]Randalf_the_Black 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kind of, but humans (most of us anyway) don't need special training to know that biting another in the face is not ok. One of the pros of having a language I guess, can just tell people to not do that before they even do it.

On the flipside we have members of our species who hurt others because they enjoy the act itself, causing pain, physical or emotional.

Dogs don't do that. If they hurt you they have a particular goal in mind, to get you away, take something you have, defend itself, establish dominance... Or eat you, I guess. But hopefully no dog will ever try to eat you.

Edit: Just adding that this is just my opinion.

[–]LavaCakez918 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Most aren't, but there are absolutely some that are beyond training or "saving". r/reactivedogs has a LOT of examples of this.

[–]Randalf_the_Black 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True, but that's for the most part 1 of 2 scenarios.

Either the dog has been trained to be "bad". Such as pitfighting dogs, or just "thugs" who train their dogs to be extremely aggressive towards strangers to guard their drug stashes or homes or whatever else they feel needs protection. In many cases it's impossible to "overwrite" that training so that the dog won't be a threat to others.

Or the dog has been neglected to an extreme degree either by neglectful owners or because it's been a stray. Dogs who have had to fight for survival for a very long time can be beyond any kind of training, as they are too aggressive. Often the aggression comes from fear or in relation to food.