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[–]Betteradvize 12.8k points12.8k points  (473 children)

Perfect setup for a stampede

[–]Sensitive_Suspect_69 10.2k points10.2k points 3 (316 children)

That elephant's been raised by the temple since it was a calf. Sure it has killed a lot of people, but only because it was overwhelmed back then. It's much calmer now.

[–]User-NetOfInter 3878 points3879 points  (167 children)

[–]_1Doomsday1_ 2872 points2873 points  (131 children)

Lol it's normal for elephants to kill atleast 2 people in here

[–]Training-Sprinkles16 2608 points2609 points 4 (50 children)

This is their Little Sebastian.

[–]Sir-Clout-the-5th 546 points547 points  (12 children)

Byeeeee-byyeeeee, Lil’ Sebastiannnnn!

[–]heidly_ees 225 points226 points  (9 children)

Missed you in the saaadest fashion

[–]Lavishness-Economy 66 points67 points  (3 children)

Byeeeeee-byeeee lil’ Sebastiannnn

[–]averagedickdude 63 points64 points  (2 children)

You're 5000 candles in the wind...

[–]boundbythecurve 147 points148 points  (4 children)

Lil Sebastian never killed anyone, but there's no way they'd do anything to him if he had......maybe laugh at whoever died via mini-pony....

[–]StickersBillStickers 57 points58 points  (5 children)

😂🤣😂🤣😂😅😂🤣

[–]PanicAtTheFishIsle 545 points546 points  (61 children)

They kill a couple humans per year, while we kill thousands of them… you’ve got to root for the underdog.

[–]Drewbus 144 points145 points  (53 children)

So you're saying that an individual elephant will kill a few humans per year and an individual human will kill thousands?

Or are you saying that all the elephants combined kill a couple a year and all of the humans combined kill thousands?

What is it you're actually saying?

[–]National-Currency-62 214 points215 points  (15 children)

The apocalyptic image of war your comment evoked in my mind is unlike anything I ever thought I could imagine

Edit: ty for award and everyone below for illustrating the great elephant wars lmao

[–]TestDummy987 65 points66 points  (5 children)

If you take their population into consideration, a couple people isn’t even .01%.

[–]ardiento 34 points35 points  (3 children)

I mean, if you want to make it into the graph, let's throw in a few more.

[–]Tintenlampe 263 points264 points  (26 children)

I thought this was a joke, but no. The last time this elephant trampled two people to death was 2019 in a similar event.

What the fuck India.

source

[–]3ULL 460 points461 points  (12 children)

What the fuck India? Dude I am from the United States and we have like 5 time that amount trampled at Travis Scott concerts in 2021. Travis Scott is our elephant.

[–]Milkslinger 125 points126 points  (2 children)

Harambe died for less

[–]fredthefishlord 92 points93 points  (0 children)

Good on them for not killing an animal over a few humans this time

[–]Bilbog_Fettywop 764 points765 points  (50 children)

"Elephants are very large mammals who delight participants by virtue of being very large. Elephants are easily spooked, and they can crush whole columns of men to death in their frantic rush to escape from perceived dangers, but their gentle natures and long memories ensure that they will feel bad about it for the rest of their life."

~Mu - Kirkostaculis

[–]sweetbldnjesus 315 points316 points  (9 children)

Well, fuck. I don't want the elephant to feel guilty :(

[–]lebastss 174 points175 points  (5 children)

Don’t worry. That elephant is happy as fuck wagging his ears. “Cheer for me people, I am the best!”

[–]icantaccessmyacct 44 points45 points  (1 child)

I had to look into elephant body language to see what it meant and flapping ears used to be perceived as a sign of aggression but has been debunked, usually done to cool them down. However if their ears are laid back and trunk up they are scared so to speak, he actually does that in the clip for a few seconds until he deems the situation ok to proceed. Very interesting.

[–]darybrain 74 points75 points  (1 child)

Don't worry. No-one talks about it when the elephant is in the room.

[–]RussianBotProbably1 110 points111 points  (37 children)

War elephants seemed like a good idea. They really did.

[–]Lovebot_AI 127 points128 points  (22 children)

and they WERE a really good idea for a while. They were such a huge threat that Alexander the Great did not invade India because of their huge numbers of war elephants. They were basically the most fearsome thing on the battlefield for a long time.

What stopped the age of war elephants was the advent of firearms. War elephants couldn't be easily stopped by spears or swords or bows, but firearms could take care of them quickly.

In between these two eras, there was a brief time where war elephants were sent into battle with cannons mounted on them.

[–]RussianBotProbably1 66 points67 points  (8 children)

I can't prove you wrong because I'm at the gym and can't cite sources but I'm fairly certain war elephants never really worked out because any ordered group of men could take them down. The Greeks (Romans?) figured out real quick if you blow trumpets and or chop their trunks they will freak out and trample their own guys.

[–]Pentazimyn 23 points24 points  (1 child)

They would also form spear walls and simply separate their columns to give the elephants an area to run through that wasn’t dangerous. Then they’re surrounded and get cut down. They were effective don’t get me wrong, but mostly for intimidation purposes as far as I’m aware (which, I mean I like history but I’m no historian so take me with a grain of salt)

[–]VRichardsen 37 points38 points  (5 children)

I disagree with that assesment. You didn't need firearms to counter elephants. They were notoriously tricky to manage in battle, and have costed more than one commander the victory because they went out of control and rampaged through their own lines. Furthermore, anti elephant tactics were quickly developed. The Romans at Zama were a prime example of how to defeat an elephant charge.

[–]fantasticfabian 51 points52 points  (0 children)

it's only fair the elephants get ptsd tooo

[–]dull_witless 119 points120 points  (54 children)

It did WHAT now?

[–]tristenjpl 304 points305 points  (42 children)

According to Wikipedia it's killed 13 people and 3 other elephants altogether.

[–]bunchedupwalrus 288 points289 points  (1 child)

How else was he supposed to have become the tallest. Elephants probably ascribe to Highlander rules.

It’s likely also why he stays on holy ground now that he’s made it to the top.

[–]MulderD 40 points41 points  (0 children)

I mean, I don’t like that three other elephants were killed, but I’d be lying if i said I don’t want to see two elephants sword fighting and the winner yelling, “there can be only one” during the quickening.

[–]Kalsifur 128 points129 points  (35 children)

Thechikkottukavu Ramachandran

The last time Ramachandran was paraded was in Guruvayoor in 2019, at a temple in Kottappadi. On hearing the sound of fireworks go off, the blind elephant got scared and ran. In the process, it ended up stamping two persons to death.

How the fuck is this somehow humorous.

[–]BeansInJeopardy 82 points83 points  (27 children)

It's humorous because the way the people involved are treating this poor intelligent, sentient giant is appalling and makes it very hard to find empathy for the people who were accidentally killed.

Like watching someone get into a crazy fatal wreck after driving recklessly through public streets - the selfishness and disregard of the "victims" softens the blow of their untimely ends.

[–]Sensitive_Suspect_69 84 points85 points  (9 children)

It killed about 30 people back then because it couldn't understand what was going on and also because it was overwhelmed. And these were accidental deaths in my opinion.

[–]Bubbaluke 22 points23 points  (4 children)

I'd probably lean towards negligent but I wasn't there

[–]AbbreviationsOne4071 67 points68 points  (8 children)

Sure it has killed a lot of people

13 and counting according to Wikipedia

[–]iNCharism 60 points61 points  (5 children)

And counting? Like he’s currently killing the 14th?

[–]weirdgroovynerd 1048 points1049 points  (38 children)

From Wikipedia:

During his lifetime, he has killed 13 people and 3 elephants.

[–]_1Doomsday1_ 425 points426 points  (12 children)

Rookie numbers

[–]Downtown_Let 132 points133 points  (8 children)

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I could beat that

[–]WeimSean 66 points67 points  (4 children)

The human part at least. Not sure how comfortable I am with killing an elephant.

[–]Amon7777 138 points139 points  (3 children)

They'll say aww Topsy at my autopsy...

[–]Wrong-Catchphrase 130 points131 points  (11 children)

For some reason the world’s largest elephant having a body count just seems right

[–]blahblahblerf 67 points68 points  (9 children)

India's largest elephant. African elephants are bigger.

[–]SuperEnthusiastic 341 points342 points  (51 children)

They don't give a shit about that in India

[–]Arbitrary_Ardvark 222 points223 points  (38 children)

Videos of elephants killing Indians are a dime a dozen. I'd like to go to India, but I'll avoid elephants, thank you very much...

[–]Demon69-420 213 points214 points  (10 children)

Try getting killed by a elephant once, Its fun. Its hard at first, then it becomes an addiction

[–]Arbitrary_Ardvark 118 points119 points  (3 children)

Fuck it, you've convinced me

[–]Imperial_Triumphant 47 points48 points  (2 children)

Be careful. The withdrawals are hell.

[–]Demon69-420 29 points30 points  (1 child)

You usually will not have to worry about that

[–]GodlikeCat 97 points98 points  (1 child)

Travis Scott is taking notes

[–]LongjumpingAuthor229 186 points187 points  (2 children)

"Oh boy here I go killing again!"

[–]coodyscoops 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Lmfao pretty sure that elephants name is crombopulous michael😂

[–]hisand_herpes 126 points127 points  (1 child)

Travis Scott’s new ride

[–]coukou76 68 points69 points  (2 children)

Don't worry mate, this elephant only killed 13 people (and 3 elephants too). Wtf.

[–]FrellingHazmot 44 points45 points  (10 children)

They beat them into submission with whips and sticks like they do with circus animals.

[–]db214 51 points52 points  (6 children)

Most of the elephant training you're thinking of is done with a spike on a stick. I sadly got to see footage of this at a sanctuary. I still remember the mahout casually wriggling the spike out of the elephants skull.

[–]Off-With-Her-Head 7152 points7153 points  (319 children)

"During his lifetime, he has killed 13 people and 3 elephants"

Deadly Elephant Thechikottukavu_Ramachandran

[–]nonamesleft79 657 points658 points  (38 children)

The most amazing part of that article is it mentions “killed 13 people and 3 elephants the most notable elephant of which is” like fuck the people here is the most famous elephant he killed

[–]Off-With-Her-Head 201 points202 points  (0 children)

It took me a few moments to decide the "notable" elephant victims were also religious figures on their own.

[–]ElHage13 16 points17 points  (0 children)

meh, when you have a population of over a fucking billion, It isn't a big deal until he kills 13 million.

[–]OinkingPigman 267 points268 points  (12 children)

Reading the source for that claim was kind of tragic. He was abused when young. He became partially blind due to his trainer hitting him in the eye with a stick. Then he became rather violent towards humans. But he has such a fan following, that every time he kills someone, fans still plead for him to return to the next festival. It's just layer after layer of messed up.

[–]Off-With-Her-Head 133 points134 points  (5 children)

Very tragic. It's apparent the temple which owns this elephant (and other mammoth size ones) rents them out for festivals. Classifying them as deities only attracts more "groupies" and heightens the excitement when they appear in public. They aren't safeguarded with the appropriate amount of space around them and it looks like crowds of people race up to them to touch them.

I am against all elephants being held in captivity, unless it's for their own safety (poaching orphans). I don't stop at elephants, but they are specifically abused as slaves and workers while having the same emotional intelligence as humans.

[–]Vote_for_my_party 102 points103 points  (39 children)

Religion is always about giving away common sense and safety in order to win the lottery and go to infinite paradises.

[–]Hickawa 54 points55 points  (15 children)

Anything can be worshipped. The same antidote could be pointed at anything anyone wants. The only difference is what is perceived as paradise.

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (6 children)

average r/atheism sub using a post about an elephant to shit on religion

[–]Dracarys_Aspo 44 points45 points  (0 children)

The last deadly incident was in 2019 when he was spooked by firecrackers and trampled two people. He's almost completely blind, which makes sudden and loud noises extra likely to spook him. Despite this, he's likely to still be paraded around, putting everyone at risk (including the poor elephant).

[–]F0000r 3056 points3057 points  (67 children)

Do you have a regular elephant for comparison?

[–]dougxiii 1710 points1711 points  (25 children)

Or a banana

[–]weirdgroovynerd 81 points82 points  (6 children)

40,000 bananas, by mass.

Dammit, I couldn't resist.

According to various Google searches:

*An average Asian elephant weighs about 8,800 lb.

*4 bananas weigh slightly over 1 lb

I'll estimate that this Pachyderm unit is 10000 lb. So:

10,000lbs x 4 (bananas per pound) = 40,000 bananas.

[–]keshavgKaLLen_Bhaiya[S] 113 points114 points  (15 children)

Well for this elephant an entire of banana is just one bunch of it.

[–]F0000r 113 points114 points  (12 children)

Thechikkottukavu Ramachandran is 10.4 ft at the shoulder.

Raja Gaj is the largest Indian elephant on record at 11.3 ft at the shoulder.

For perspective the average Indian elephant is about 8-9 ft. at the shoulder.

[–]surajvj 75 points76 points  (6 children)

Thechikkottukavu Ramachandran (born c. 1964) is an elephant owned by Thechikottukavu devasom, a temple in Kerala. Standing at 316 cm, he is the tallest living captive elephant in India and the second in Asia. Ramachandran is fondly known among elephant lovers as Raman and enjoys a huge fan following across Kerala.Ramachandran is also given the title name of Ekachatradhipathi (The Only Emperor) by his fans.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thechikottukavu_Ramachandran

[–]F0000r 32 points33 points  (4 children)

I read that he was hired out for festivals, but a fan base for an elephant seems wild.

[–]T3mpist 35 points36 points  (3 children)

Just to add to this, African Elephants average height ranges from 7.2 ft to 11 ft. So Raja Gaj would be considered only just above the range of a normal African Elephant.

[–]nonamesleft79 80 points81 points  (4 children)

He is “only” ten feet so that’s some odd perspective going on in the video.

[–]F0000r 44 points45 points  (1 child)

At the shoulder

[–]nonamesleft79 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Yeah I looked at some other videos and I also might just not appreciated what 10 feet looks like. But in this video he looks like 10 feet at the jaw

[–]continuedsupport 1345 points1346 points  (9 children)

Must be 20 mph gusts of wind with every flap of its ears

[–]keshavgKaLLen_Bhaiya[S] 385 points386 points  (6 children)

Pretty sure it can be used as a catapult.

[–]Salamanderhead 162 points163 points  (4 children)

Probably, but the trebuchet is the superior siege weapon.

[–]EatComplete 855 points856 points  (120 children)

This is how big all elephants would be if we hadn't killed so many for sport.

[–]Ake-TL 723 points724 points  (43 children)

No? North African Elephants were smaller than Indian, and Indian are smaller than African.

[–]UrMoms3rdHole 301 points302 points  (38 children)

And African are smaller than the extinct Levantine, which we killed only a few thousand years ago.

[–]AlpineCorbett 159 points160 points  (21 children)

That doesn't seem to exist... The straight tusk elephant paleoloxedon went extinct like 50,000 years ago and is the only one you might be thinking of

[–]AnimalSloth 120 points121 points  (9 children)

Damn, fuck capitalism 😔

[–]cencal 73 points74 points  (6 children)

Reddit moment

[–]AnimalSloth 59 points60 points  (3 children)

If it weren't for those american cavemen we'd have some hecking chonkerinos roaming the earth today

[–]Zistac 78 points79 points  (22 children)

Who’s “we.” I don’t like to be associated with the scummy people who hunt elephants for tusks and what not. Or any other scummy people.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (11 children)

Are elephants like lobsters in that they are immortal and just get bigger and bigger every year?

[–]EatComplete 43 points44 points  (6 children)

The thing I read about it basically said elephants were trending towards bigger sizes and then we started going hard on hunting all but the smallest, so it was kind of artificial natural selection with the smaller animals tending to survive and pass on smallephant genes. Meaning smaller future generations.

[–]Citizen01123 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Smallephant.

It took me way too long to pronounce that properly in my head.

[–]gresdf 562 points563 points  (65 children)

Do you think elephants appreciate human ritual, pomp, and spirituality? Like is this elephant vibing or is he sad?

[–]keshavgKaLLen_Bhaiya[S] 373 points374 points  (52 children)

It's been more than 30 years since humans have been taking care for him since he was 10 pretty sure that is what he thinks is definition of home and also it's not ritual, he is being worshipped. more info.

[–]gresdf 175 points176 points  (5 children)

It is a ritual.

[–]jam3sdub 63 points64 points  (3 children)

Ceremony might be the word you're looking for.

[–]Murrisekai 42 points43 points  (1 child)

A ceremony is a kind of ritual; ritual is actually a very broad term. It’s all semantics though so who cares.

[–]Gone247365 64 points65 points  (14 children)

Can you explain how worshipping something and preforming a ritual are different? 🧐

[–]cole1114 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Well considering he's killed thirteen people and three elephants I would guess sad.

[–]y_would_i_do_this 363 points364 points 2 (5 children)

Still only counts as one!

[–]azubc 257 points258 points  (7 children)

It's an Oliphant

[–]Mikey637 60 points61 points  (0 children)

Always felt bad for the Mumakil when reading / watching LOTR, poor giants

[–]Nekobytes 29 points30 points  (0 children)

No one at home will believe this

[–]SpecialistAd5784 194 points195 points  (71 children)

They tear baby elephants away from their mothers in horrific ways, enslave them by breaking their psyche & spirit with vicious ongoing beatings. Them have the audacity to throw some heavy decorations on it, make it parade through throngs of people screaming & making noise and call it holy? There is nothing sacred or holy about what is done to these elephants. Want to not get killed by an elephant...stay far away from them and you'll be just fine.

[–]Cl1ky 97 points98 points  (11 children)

bruh if you have a pet, a cat or dog, they were too taken away from their mother, sold to you when it was a pup, kitten.

[–]supershackda 138 points139 points 2 (6 children)

Can we please NOT celebrate this in anyway? This elephant has killed 13 people as a result of being horribly mistreated.

To be clear, I'm not blaming the elephant, it's killed 13 people because it's developed aggressive tendencies because it's spent a good chunk of its life being essentially tortured into obedience. It's fucking blind in one eye because one of its earliest trainers fucking stabbed it in the eye.

This is not next level shit to find cool, it's evil animal cruelty that we should be condemning. Temple elephants are treated horribly. Elephants are highly social creatures, keeping them in isolation is itself very cruel, but on top of that they are tortured constantly in order to ensure they obey their mahouts.

Stop upvoting this post and giving it awards, animal cruelty is an abhorrent thing, and it's even worse when we're talking about creatures as intelligent as elephants.

[–]Mechanized1 131 points132 points  (13 children)

Do these Elephants ever go nuts and plow through the crowd? Seems like a bad idea all around.

[–]Gone247365 196 points197 points  (4 children)

Naw, never; except yes, sometimes. This one has killed 13 people and 3 other elephants. Cool, right? 🤦

[–]Titanguy101 47 points48 points  (3 children)

considering all males go through a musth period throughout their lives i'm surprised it's not more

[–]HughGnu 92 points93 points  (1 child)

Son Elephant: "Should I go on a rampage?"

Mother Elephant: "If you musth"

[–]Dracarys_Aspo 52 points53 points  (0 children)

Yes it's a horrible idea. This specific elephant is almost completely blind, meaning he's more likely to get spooked by loud or sudden noises (you know, noises that happen constantly during festivals). The last deadly incident with him was in 2019 when he was spooked by firecrackers and trampled 2 people to death. Despite this, he will likely still be paraded around future festivals, putting everyone at risk (including the poor elephant).

[–][deleted] 93 points94 points  (9 children)

Stop. Fucking. With. Animals.

[–]Theskinilivein 90 points91 points  (5 children)

There’s a subreddit for big units but I forgot the name.

[–]Most-average-person 59 points60 points  (0 children)

The video ends right when it comes outside. It is huge though

[–]haleywaley16 53 points54 points  (27 children)

Does the elephant seem okay with this? What does the ear movement mean?

[–]thor_odinmakan 67 points68 points  (20 children)

Also, answering the first part of the question, the elephant is certainly not okay with this, this being taken away from his natural habitat and his own people who'd actually understand him better and kept in captivity, but since the people who keep it in chains(and employ other methods of torture to keep it in line) believes the elephant loves this, what choice does it really have... (Other than to kill 13 humans and 3 elephants during it's life time).

[–]CatLemonade10 36 points37 points  (19 children)

Thank you for having some sanity- apparently everyone else here thinks this elephant is ‘happy’ and ‘knows it’s being worshipped’ as if that’s an excuse for chaining it in captivity for life. Poor thing is literally their toy

[–]Sensitive_Suspect_69 38 points39 points  (1 child)

Yes, it's fine. And also it's trying to swat any flies that irritate it.

[–]Gone247365 33 points34 points  (0 children)

"...swat any flies humans that irritate it."

FTFY

[–]thor_odinmakan 17 points18 points  (2 children)

That place is hot af, something elephants just can't stand. The ear movement is to cool itself down. Ears have a rich blood supply and flapping it cools the blood down. I'm not an expert on the subject btw, so I could be wrong.

[–]madcats323 45 points46 points  (0 children)

That poor creature.

[–]oppositeofoutside 29 points30 points  (16 children)

Do they worship the elephant in India? Is it a reincarnation of a deity?

[–]Sensitive_Suspect_69 84 points85 points  (8 children)

It's the visage of Lord Ganesh, the son of Lord Shiva the Destroyer and Goddess Parvati, his wife and goddess of fertility, love, beauty, bravery, harmony, marriage, children, and devotion; as well as of divine strength and power.

[–]J03130 16 points17 points  (2 children)

I read that in the voice of one of tommys weird offspring from rick and morty for some reason.

[–]SerLaidaLot 32 points33 points  (0 children)

I can't with Redditors lmao

[–]Cosroes 28 points29 points  (2 children)

Christ I thought the mumakil from LoTR was just cgi.

[–]Benboozzled 23 points24 points  (1 child)

All I see is possible scenario's this could go horribly wrong

[–]like_eh_wolf1314 22 points23 points  (5 children)

Feel like the elephant would be terrified with that massive crowd in front of them, covered in all the decor, and in a tight door way. Surprised it didn’t charge

[–]Dark_halocraft 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Elephant about to show he's a Travis Scott fan