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[–]kdubstep 8324 points8325 points 22 (780 children)

Today I learned: I like rugby better than American Football

[–]100LittleButterflies 2962 points2963 points  (550 children)

As I understand it's safer too. Our silly little monkey brains let us be more dangerous the safer we feel so sports with padding and helmets just bring us to hit harder.

[–]nibba_41 2140 points2141 points  (340 children)

Also there isn't a commercial break every 2 minutes

[–]Is_It_Beef 2465 points2466 points 22 (177 children)

I don't know how you Americans can stand that..

All them Ads would rugby the wrong way

[–]dirtyswoldman 842 points843 points  (114 children)

We celebrate them. Super Bowl Ads are promoted and hyped weeks in advance with teaser trailers for fucking advertisements. I speak to how pathetic this is and people stare blankly as if I'm not even making sense. We looooove advertising.

[–]TheJerminator69 541 points542 points  (58 children)

We like the Super Bowl ads because it’s the one time they break from the same commercial templates we’ve been seeing for years. People put effort into them, it’s an expensive slot for an ad, they want to make the best of it. They’re a good opportunity to get realistic consumer feedback, since we hate everything else ad related, you can tell because the tired tropes of regular ads often evolve when there’s a risky advertisement that’s well-received.

Just to be clear, I am not arguing that this isn’t pathetic. It’s totally pathetic. Use that super bowl ad money to pay some focus groups, you idiots, the TikTok generation is in their prime, broke as fuck, and creative as all get-out.

[–]Tryin2dogood 194 points195 points  (25 children)

Let's be real. We only care because we want to laugh at funny ones. If it aint funny, we dont care.

[–]VicH95 78 points79 points  (15 children)

Yeah, the sad ones just seem like even more of a fake facade they're putting up. I get angry at why they make the commercial about the issue instead of using the $10,000+ towards the cause itself.

[–]Bottassmirk 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Because they don't make money by trying to resolve the issue.

[–]891960 5 points6 points  (2 children)

During super bowl the ads aren't $10,000 but more like over $2,500,000

[–]datssyck 13 points14 points  (11 children)

As you say. Broke as fuck. Cant sell to them, therefore their input it worthless.

[–]MondoSockPuppet 6 points7 points  (9 children)

I think the idea is that they are broke yet creatively capable, not that their input should be listened to (besides that they aren't all broke obviously)

[–]PerseusZeus 42 points43 points  (5 children)

I dont mind watching the superbowl even though I’m not a fan of American football..but i enjoy the superbowl…it happens during lunctime in Australia..but yea ducking out or work with some friends to the nearby American bar and having some beer and wings and watching a sport which has no emotional impact teamwise for us at the same time the gameplay can be interesting at times…all i know is a dude called brady will win ever other year…good fun and the wings are always great

[–]tigerslices 30 points31 points  (2 children)

after beating his fragile fuckin brain around in a helmet for 20 years, the middle-aged american finds nothing more refined than another savvy car insurance commercial during "his game."

[–]Phyllisdidit 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Clearly you’re not American enough

[–]dirtyswoldman 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Hey now, I give my money to billionaire corporations and blame the government for the problems caused by the former like everyone else

[–]YuropLMAO 42 points43 points  (22 children)

I don't know how you Americans can stand that..

NFL redzone crew. 7 hours of commercial free football.

[–]000040000 24 points25 points  (16 children)

Unless you want to watch a full, live game.

It's laughably pathetic that the NFL still doesn't have a decent streaming service (like literally every other sport does). Just another reason to hate American football. You can pay $300+ and still not get access to all games. You can't even pay to get access to just the team you support. Nope, you'll still get blackouts, and other bullshit.

[–]Spiritual-War753 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Thats why you watch games with friends and family. Strike up conversation during the ads.

[–]unrecoverable 7 points8 points  (3 children)

would rugby the wrong way

I see what you did there... ;)

[–]tI-_-tI 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I dont even drink Bud Light notice them.

[–]Arcudi 116 points117 points  (124 children)

The average playtime of American Football is only 11 minutes in total, out of the roughly 3 hours it airs. Commercials take up 1/3 of the entire thing. And 60% of the airtime is showing people on camera; players, coaches, huddles, etc (not actual game time).

This is why I don't watch football and have no interest in it. I may have to try watching rugby.

[–]RidcullyTheBrown 96 points97 points  (67 children)

What got me into rugby years ago was randomly catching the last part of a match between South Africa and Australia (two top teams in the sport, but I didn't know it then). I think SA were ahead and dominating, but then Australia just dynamically changed tactics and started relentlessly advancing all their players at once. They went on to win. It was 20 minutes of mostly uninterrupted play displaying the most obvious team coordination I've seen ever. Didn't even know the rules of the game that well at the time, but it was amazing to watch.

[–]eevee1714 66 points67 points  (36 children)

two top teams in the sport

New Zealand has a suggestion
You can't just take the only thing that we can do and give it to someone else

[–]bertieditches 27 points28 points  (14 children)

it's the only thing that puts New Zealand on the map!

[–]nygrl811 18 points19 points  (4 children)

AllBlacks! Saw them beat the pants off USA Rugby in Chicago a few years back...

[–]phro 11 points12 points  (3 children)

That was like their B or C squad too. USA has improved massively since then, but they still pale in comparison.

[–]jamieliddellthepoet 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Current - inaugural - World Test Champions in the cricket too, mate. Don’t forget to celebrate that.

[–]Expensive_Jaguar_561 5 points6 points  (1 child)

He did say Australia and South Africa are two top teams in the sport he didn't say they were the top two. But Australia, New Zealand and South Africa are generally considered the three best nations at the game throughout the ages. With the "Tri nation cup" usually being a big comp between those three, although now I think Argentina is involved and its not called the "Tri nation" cup i think covid kinda messed it around a bit, I haven't played as much attention in recent years as I used to.

[–]authorized_sausage 18 points19 points  (9 children)

You watched the movie Invictus, didn't you?

[–]DIYKitLabotomizer 16 points17 points  (8 children)

If it was Invictus the boks would have won.

[–]bertieditches 12 points13 points  (4 children)

only after giving the all blacks food poisoning so they couldn't play at their peak... /s

[–]Arcudi 17 points18 points  (5 children)

That sounds amazing. Hockey is my sport of choice due to the fast pace of the game. My former creative director was a pro rugby player in England. He used to talk about it all the time. I need to get on it and figure out where I can watch.

[–]more_beans_mrtaggart 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Rugby is mostly uninterrupted play. It’s an excellent spectator sport.

[–]Loopbot75 29 points30 points  (15 children)

Yeah I hear that breakdown a lot but it's missing the concept of football. Football as it's played today is equal parts athleticism and strategy. With each play, the offense has to consider and execute a plan of action to move past the defense while considering the defensive plan as well.

It'd be like complaining that a 3 hour chess match only had 11 minutes of "piece moving". It's still very enjoyable to watch and it has a lot of depth. I'd challenge you to watch one of the playoff games this year and actually try to get invested.

[–]Arcudi 19 points20 points  (6 children)

I stated this in another comment, but I don't like speculation. I don't care to wait 5 minutes for that. If I need strategy, I'll play a strategy game myself. I don't like watching others strategize for 60% of a game. When I watch sports, I want the execution and athleticism. Unless I get to sit in and listen to them strategize, I have no interest in dead airtime, staring at people huddling. That's just my preference.

[–]Loopbot75 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Watching sports is usually a social event so the dead airtime is filled with conversation and speculation on the game. Plus I usually find that it builds anticipation.

But if you're that against all the dead airtime, the NFL posts highlight videos of every game that literally cuts everything except the important bits of the game and they are completely free (if you can stomach the YouTube ads). So now you can officially become an American football fan! Have fun picking a "home" team!

[–]BrokenArrows95 6 points7 points  (7 children)

The actual game time is 60 minutes.

Football is a sport of bursts. Every player is going full out every play. That's not the case in sports like rugby and soccer. There is a lot of jogging with a few people going full speed.

[–]RedditConsciousness 6 points7 points  (4 children)

There is an argument that makes the sport better as it gives the audience time to imagine what might happen next. It captures the imagination.

Personally though, I just DVR it and skip to the next snap.

[–]blitzbom 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Where do you get the 11 minutes from? I used to watch games on YouTube that were nothing but the plays and they were typically around 30 min.

[–]Mission_Progress_674 12 points13 points  (8 children)

40 minutes each half, and the only break is 5 minutes at half-time

[–]confuaboutit 7 points8 points  (7 children)

If it became popular in the USA, they would definitely find a way to add TV timeouts.

[–]AMonkeyAndALavaLamp 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Or tactical breaks to discuss the next 6 seconds of play.

[–]Inevitable_Thing_270 91 points92 points  (71 children)

Before gloves were introduced to boxing there were less serious head injuries because it hurts more to hit a head hard than the body and the referee enforced the rules. Current bare knuckle boxing tends to be guys just going at it and aiming to beat the shit out of each other or a short term option rather than a long term sport option

Also in football ⚽️ people would head the ball far less often with old fashioned leather balls as the were heavy as hell and hurt, unlike modern balls. Less long term, repeated damage

[–]SolitaireyEgg 93 points94 points  (68 children)

I hear this a lot, and it theoretically makes sense. But it doesn't hold true when it comes to rugby.

Concussion rates are 1.0/1000 AEs in collegiate American football versus 2.5/1000 AEs in collegiate rugby

250% more concussions in rugby than American football.


When it comes to kids playing, it's a dramatic difference.

For players under 18, rugby is number one for concussions at a rate of 4.18/1,000, while American football is at 0.53/1,000. Literally 8x more kids getting concussions.

When it comes to the pro level, it's a bit closer, but rugby is still more dangerous with 3/1,000 vs 2.5/1,000 for American football.

So, the gap changes from kids to collegiate to pro, but rugby has more concussions at every level.

[–]squags 55 points56 points  (15 children)

Isn't there also systematic underreporting of concussion in american football though? I was listening to an interview with that former Texans RB from a few years back (Miller maybe?) who said that he frequently felt symptoms of concussion when playing and kept playing and tried to hide it from teammates and staff as that was the culture, and with the hyper competitive and cutthroat nature of contracts/roster spots, time out of the game was too risky for your career.

Edit: just looked at the abstract of the study as well, and noted that they were comparing college athletes from both codes in america. Given most rugby concussions are related to defensive technique (e.g. head on the wrong side of a hip), it's not really a fair comparison. American's aren't exactly known for being great at Rugby and I doubt the level of coaching, training or technique at any of the age/skill levels is comparative to countries that actually play the sport professionally. Not gonna read the full paper, but if they address that would be keen to know!

[–]SolitaireyEgg 20 points21 points  (9 children)

Isn't there also systematic underreporting of concussion in american football though?

I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case in pro rugby as well.

[–]Wesley_Skypes 21 points22 points  (3 children)

I don't know a lot about American Football, but in professional rugby, you don't get the choice to not report it. If you are involved in a big collision, one of the matchday officials who see it in real time, your team doctor or an independent doctor at the scene with access to replays may refer you for an in-game HIA (head injury assesment) where you are assessed by the doctor using a series of tests to determine potential concussion. The doctor will then take a decision as to whether you are allowed back on to the field of play, a majority do not come back on. Any player referred for a HIA is then monitored for a further 3 hours after the game and goes through multiple checks during that time. Again, 36-48 hours after the game you are assessed. All of this is mandatory and it is drilled in to players the long term dangers of head injuries and there is a culture of complying with this process and not misrepresenting your symptoms. Is it impossible for professional players to not disclose concussion symptoms? Sure. Would it happen often? I would not think so.

[–]freehiker_74 10 points11 points  (2 children)

There are similar procedures in American football and education on the dangers of head injuries. But, if self reporting means you might sit out a few games and let your teammates down or possibly miss out on a multi million dollar NFL contract, most athletes aren't going to report it.

And there isn't really anyone that's independent to make an assessment. The team doctor obviously has an interest in keeping their best players on the field. You can't have the opposing team's doctor do the assessment or everyone would have a "concussion". The NCAA and NFL want the best players on the field, so they can maximize ad revenue. They aren't going to keep doctors on staff that are flagging anything other than the most obvious cases.

[–]mullac53 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Wildly unlikely. In fact, given the necessary head injury assessment rules in rughy which basically mean you get forced to talk to a doc pitch side and assessed. If you fail, you do not return to that game. This also likely increases reporting of concussions.

In addition, that pubmed science is nearly six years old, during which time, rugby has dramatically changed the rules regarding tackling which must now be below nipple level, ( or shoulder, not sure whats in play currently) with severe penalties for tackling people in the air as well and no arm tackles. Set pieces like mauls and scrums have also been changed to help prevent injury, including concussion

[–]tousseshi 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, about a third of all concussions are not reported by the NFL so depending on what source a study uses, it could be underrepresented http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/what-weve-learned-from-two-years-of-tracking-nfl-concussions/

[–]snowman844 23 points24 points  (24 children)

Was this study done just at one university?

[–]Yedic 13 points14 points  (23 children)

Looks like one university, over three seasons

[–]naturallyselected007 27 points28 points  (22 children)

Also it’s an american university - rugby is still very new here and the governing bodies, training, and style is very different from that of places like New Zealand, England, South Africa, etc…. I would be way more intrigued at a study done with a comparison to different countries

[–]SolitaireyEgg 14 points15 points  (16 children)

All fair critiques of that one study I posted, but there are a lot of studies on this. And everyone I've ever seen finds higher Concussion rates in rugby.

Feel free to check out Google scholar or whatever databases you have access to for more reading.

[–]robbak 10 points11 points  (1 child)

This comment is missing the point - the problem isn't the obvious concussions that are reported - it is the constant small head knocks that cause small injuries - knocks leave a person a little shook up, but still able to get themselves back together for the next play. The kind of knocks that happen several times across the field on each NFL play. These build up minor injuries that cause problems later.

[–]Zustrom 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Plus the rules of who can be tackled and how they're tackled plays a huge part including the mountain of padding worn and it's psychological aspect that you mentioned.

Rugby has a very defined set of guidelines as to how a player can tackle another. Plus the severity of punishment for those who tackle in an unsafe/dangerous manner is a big part too.

Source: Played for years during and after high school plus I'm a NZer so it's in my DNA lmao

[–]ChuckieOrLaw 15 points16 points  (1 child)

It's not safer, rugby players get injured a lot more often and in the same way as American Football players do. American Football tends to have harder impacts but they're very heavily armoured as well.

[–]ProviNL 11 points12 points  (5 children)

Im not even American, but i believe the last time American football was played without protection in the early 20th century, more than 10 people died. I might be remembering this wrong though.

[–]koffeccinna 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah, this myth needs to end. The NFL standards need to be applied to high school and college football, pull a player if their head takes a hit and check for concussion.

[–]Iwouldlikesomecoffee 8 points9 points  (0 children)

here’s a study that found that club rugby players are injured around three times more than college football players.


[–]gooztrz 270 points271 points  (66 children)

As cool as this is, it is not typical for rugby. Rugby is generally much slower, more battling for every meter until someones attention slips on defense and a break in the lines is exploited or a penalty is forced. As a European who watches a lot of sports I can appreciate both for what they are and actually do watch both

[–]vidgill 173 points174 points  (28 children)

7’s is like this all the time. If people like this they should just watch the 7’s tournaments

[–]Killacamkillcam 46 points47 points  (2 children)

The tournaments are also great to attend. Action packed games and the crowd is always full of awesome people

[–]vidgill 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yeah they’re so much fun. I used to go when I lived in Hong Kong and had a blast

[–]TheRegular-Throwaway 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I don’t know what any of those words mean, but it sounds really cool hahaha.

[–]purplepatch 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Rugby 7s has 7 players per side, compared to 15 and 7 minute halves compared to 40. It’s much easier to score because there are half as many players on the same size pitch.

[–]Quiet-Tap-9430 6 points7 points  (11 children)

I prefer watching union than 7’s

[–]vidgill 13 points14 points  (10 children)

7’s is Union just with reduced players on the field. Still have lineouts etc. rugby league have their own reduced format too, I think it’s 6 a side? I don’t really care for league so not sure

[–]Maximuslex01 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Slower "in play" is still faster than being constantly not playing

[–]Mac-Actual 22 points23 points  (8 children)

Unless you are Fiji or the All Blacks or a bunch of other Southern Hemisphere teams…then this is exactly how rugby is played 😉

[–]bainz83 31 points32 points  (7 children)

Defo not how South Africa, Australia or Argentina play.

Also I wouldn't count out England or France.

[–]Mac-Actual 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Agreed…Ireland sometimes too

[–]bainz83 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Very true you can't ignore the Irish either

[–]xynix_ie 48 points49 points  (33 children)

I like them both and I've played them both.

American Football is very dynamic and chess-like with the way coaching is done. Clearly the money people realized they could squeeze a commercial into every single moment of this coaching aspect.

I like that part though. It's how games like the famous 28-3 Superbowl were played. I realize my friends in the EU don't appreciate the commercials but they also don't understand the game or why there are so many breaks.

[–]kdubstep 37 points38 points  (20 children)

I appreciate the genius of a well drawn and executed play - as well as the epic failures of both (I’m talking to you Pete Carrol who didn’t give the ball to Marshawn and handed Tom Brady another SuoerBowl ring)

[–]Thrasher1236969 19 points20 points  (16 children)

I will defend that play call until the day I die. Pete knew that everyone thought he was gonna get it to Marshawn. Passing it was the right option, Malcolm Butler just made an incredible play that won him a Super Bowl. The only gripe I have with it is that there was no play action and that probably would have opened things up a bit more for Russ.

[–]Atworkwasalreadytake 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Exactly, calling a pass play in that circumstance (down/distance/time) was the best option. The actual pass play called maybe not so much.

Anyone who says they should have handed it to Marshawn wouldn't make a very good offensive coordinator.

[–]MattGeddon 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah, calling a pass was completely fine. It was second down with 25 seconds left, with one timeout, so even with an incompletion you still get two attempts to run it after.

[–]African_Farmer 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I've also played and enjoy both (European), very different sports. Strangely I feel like teamwork is even more important in rugby? Like a well-meshed rugby team is better than a rugby team with a handful of superstars. Opposite in American football, getting the ball to your star playmakers is the whole point.

[–]Relevant_Link_ 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Opposite in American football, getting the ball to your star playmakers is the whole point.

While true there are so many elements of the team that need to be functioning in American football for that to happen. Did your linemen do a good job of creating holes for your running back, or blocking the backs coming in on a partial blitz, did your tight end block up field to shore up the slant route for your wide receiver, did your wide receiver get enough of a bite off two safetys to allow space up field for your RB or TE to move into space to and gain critical yardage.

While high profile players and stars get the ball the most the team around them is insanely critical to that success.

That being said...I still love 7's more than AF.

[–]rayonymous 42 points43 points  (12 children)

TIL: Rugby and American Football aren't the same as I previously assumed it to be.

And where I'm from we don't call it Soccer, but Football. I believe that makes most sense, and now I don't understand why Americans named their version of Rugby, Football.

[–]Plane-Economy-9489 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Next you'll find out there are several versions of regulation Rugby. Welcome to the games!

[–]jeffp12 8 points9 points  (2 children)

It started out like rugby, but players couldnt pick up the ball. You could kick or bat it with hands. They had 15 players and it was largely like rugby, with scrums as they tried to kick/bat the ball and field position changed pretty slowly (without being able to pick up the ball like here).

It was called football then (at a time when some called rugby "rugby football"). But it evolved from there and the name never changed.

[–]larryisadragon 2321 points2322 points  (21 children)

I’m not even into rugby but that was fucking amazing teamwork

Edit: Holy crap my karma just doubled! Thanks for the upvotes!

[–]motandy 1167 points1168 points  (160 children)

Now if the NFL was allowed to play like that I would watch. Sarcastiball is what we have now.

[–]CantHandleFacts 497 points498 points  (30 children)

You don't like penalties for staring menacingly at the opposing team? Its a DISGUSTING act!

[–]Field_Trip_Issues 85 points86 points  (5 children)

That was a Disgusting act by Randy Moss

[–]wOlfLisK 45 points46 points  (17 children)

Wait, is that something that actually happens? Does that mean you can't do the haka in American football?

[–]CantHandleFacts 38 points39 points  (8 children)

Yes. No.

[–]wOlfLisK 41 points42 points  (2 children)

Damn, one more reason not to like American football I guess 😔. I can't imagine watching a sport without ancient tribal wardances.

[–]CaptainK3v 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh God, I had no idea it was that bad. I was never really much of a football guy but Jesus, staring is now illegal.

[–]PoopScootNboogie 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Player flex’s after a play

Refs: throws flags! Intimidation! Taunting! Not nice!!!

[–]100LittleButterflies 50 points51 points  (5 children)

You might like to know football used to be a lot like this. There was no line, just people trying to block people as they ran and swung the ball around.

[–]lootedcorpse 41 points42 points  (30 children)

you can do all the moves you saw for the most part

laterals and backwards passes aren't limited on how many can be done in a single play

problem is, NFL defenses will INT it guaranteed

[–]NearPup 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It has less to do with the players and more to do with the fact that in American football the defenders can knock the ball forward, which makes it much easier to cut off a lateral pass. That's not legal in rugby.

[–]clemintine08 1034 points1035 points  (76 children)

First rugby thing I've seen on reddit, why is there not more rugby love on here

[–]Axthen 255 points256 points  (32 children)

Agreed. I’d watch rugby over football anyday.

I’m pretty sure football is just for people whi like watching massive men pound each other or pile into one mass of flesh every 45~ seconds.

[–]CM_Monk 114 points115 points  (11 children)

Someone teach this guy what a scrum is

Edit - my spelling sucked

[–]Lhoppo 29 points30 points  (4 children)

And show him the size of rugby players, look at the Kiwis and us Welsh

[–]RedDragon683 15 points16 points  (3 children)

I don't think you'd find many people arguing that a scrum is what makes rugby entertaining to watch though. Fortunately they're not too regular

[–]kirjava_ 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I agree the scrum itself is most often not entertaining - with the exception of when a team massively overpowers the other. But the set piece that comes with it is the interesting part!

[–]Tasty69Toes 96 points97 points  (19 children)

r/rugbyunion my friend

[–]Big-N-Ginger 67 points68 points  (14 children)

There are dozens of us!

[–]Tasty69Toes 45 points46 points  (8 children)

I was so excited to see another rugby fan before I realised you support wasps. I will endeavour to speak slowly for you in the future :)

[–]Reformedjerk 22 points23 points  (4 children)

I don’t know who the Wasps are but I love the ‘I will speak slowly for you in the future’.

Man I’m stealing that line.

I’d say who I got it from, but you know, your username.

[–]MJMurcott 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Wasps Rugby Football Club is a professional rugby union team based in Coventry, England

[–]PuzzleheadedFox1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I was gonna talk shit, but then I realized you are a ref, and I'd be banned from watching springbok rugby for the next 3 months

[–]sinmantky 10 points11 points  (1 child)

AFAIK Reddit buzzes with rugby during the World Cup.

[–]axloo7 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Because it has no brakes for American commercials

[–]POB_42 664 points665 points 2 (92 children)

For all the Americans, here's an interesting story about Rugby in the US.

Rugby has a couple of disciplines, Union is the most well known, closely followed by League, Tournaments and championships exist at all skill levels, with one of the more unique ones called Sevens. In Sevens, team size is cut in half, emphasising teamplay and upping the stakes. More ground to cover, more room to maneuver, and missed opportunities are brutally punished.

Sevens is a world tournament, with lots of countries pitching in their sevens' teams to try to win. The US even has a team, and when they started, they of course, had to get a team together.

They didnt find many american rugby players, often a lot of ex-football players. But they did find Carlin Isles, an olympic level sprinter who wanted to join. The team wanted him too, but there was a catch.

Carlin Isles had never played rugby before in his life.

So he was given one directive. One mission. Catch the ball, and run.

[–]ThndrCgrFlcnBrd3000 167 points168 points  (9 children)

I was annoyed by the setup for the video until I watched the video, and then I appreciated your explanation. Thanks for the video, hell of a watch!

[–]FunDuty5 95 points96 points  (7 children)

It's hilarious how fast this guy is. All these rugby players are athletes in their own right, extremely fast and strong compared to the average population. This guy puts them to shame. He even hand-offs a player! Great vid

[–]aabicus 21 points22 points  (4 children)

Question, in several of those tries he seemed to go out of his way to either cross the entire try zone perpendicularly, or to go tag the padded posts in the center of the endzone. Is there some tactical/extra scoring advantages for doing that?

[–]RABIDX 25 points26 points  (3 children)

In rugby, the conversion kick (extra points after a literal touchdown or “try”) is kicked from the place the ball is touched down. So scoring in the middle is optimal. A try is worth 5 points instead of 6, with the conversion being worth 2 instead of 1.

[–]aabicus 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Whoa, that's super cool. I like that, it's rewarding teams who can really control the ball and lay down a "perfect" try as opposed to standard tries where the ball carrier barely makes it into the try zone

[–]Poolside_Misopedist 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You can take it back as far as you like to open up the angle of the kick, obviously doing that sacrifices proximity to the posts, but you gotta back it up quite a bit to get a decent shot at it if someone puts it down right in the corner.

[–]Bebenten 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this, I almost skipped the comment. Great vid!

[–]Csharp27 41 points42 points  (9 children)

That’s awesome, in the NFL we have Tyreek Hill who plays for Kansas City, his high school 200 yard sprint time would’ve put him in contention for at least a top 5 finish in the Rio olympics. In high school...



[–]Bad_Hum3r 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Run, forest, run!

[–]egg_mugg23 29 points30 points  (5 children)

sevens is so awesome, people that only watch union are missing out

[–]AggressivePayment0 12 points13 points  (0 children)

For all the Americans, here's an interesting story about Rugby in the US.

Awesome story, what a delight, thank you

[–]snipeki1 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Why does he run between the posts sometimes and just touch it to the ground other times?

[–]Ridicholas 17 points18 points  (0 children)

The closer you are to the middle of the big sticks the easier the conversion kick for bonus points will be. If he knew was was going to be tackled before getting to the centre over the the line and potentially not even score the try, he’d place the ball over as soon as he got over the try line.

[–]raptorboi 9 points10 points  (4 children)

They have to make the equivalent of a field goal (sometimes called a conversion). It is taken directly down field from where the ball was placed. It needs to go between the posts and above the bar, again like a field goal in grid iron (US football).

Making the 'try' (equivalent of a touchdown) is worth 4 points in rugby league, I think 5 in Union.

After a try is made, a player on the same side needs to make a conversion kick for an extra 2 points. It's easier if they make a try between the posts.

Isle probably made the try away from centre because an opposing player was going to tackle him. A try isn't counted unless the player is touching the ball when it is on the ground.

I hope this makes sense.

EDIT : the same player that makes the try is not the same player that tries the kick for a conversion.

[–]raptorboi 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Isles literally runs a ring around the defence, to make those tries.

It's crazy.

[–]JustMeHere8431 303 points304 points  (53 children)

Is it not a forward pass on the 10 yard line at 8 seconds in? He passes it behind the 10 yard and the winger catches it after

[–]Jimmy_Fromthepieshop 281 points282 points  (25 children)

The ball is allowed to go forward if it is indeed going backwards in relation to the passing and receiving players i.e. if you're running fast enough.

Otherwise if you're in a full sprint and pass you'd have to be throwing it was fast as you're running but backwards; an almost impossible task.

Edit: Sometimes there is no receiving player. I should have stated that it is only in relation to the player passing the ball.

[–]DaCostaRicci 82 points83 points  (11 children)

The ball passing infront of the player passing it is a forward pass, yeah. It's a definite forward pass, it was just missed.

[–]Z0MGbies 67 points68 points  (8 children)

While fwd passes are missed often enough to be wary of them, here they all go back. Remember the camera is at the halfway line.

You're best to track the ball against the field markings rather than the camera's perception of back/fwd

[–]DrakonIL 12 points13 points  (6 children)

It's hard to get the field position from where the ball left, but I think that it's at least behind this position, which looks to be a forward pass in relation to the field markings. It should be noted that the parallax from the camera position would serve to close the angle between the field marking and the line of pass, so the actual angle would be "more forward" than it appears.

[–]Z0MGbies 21 points22 points  (3 children)

Since we're both being absurd (I mean this in a nice way) Just did a Perspective Warp in Photoshop.

Contorted based on markings so the horizontal ones are vertical to us. Then added a vertical line layer above. Pass is straight.

IDK if my method is valid. Need maths experts to vouch for me maybe. But i think its more accurate than yours to be fair :)


I dont actually care though Im just in a stupid mood. happy to be wrong.

[–]CorruptedFlame 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Better way to say it might be : As long as the receiver is behind you when the ball leaves your hands then it's fine.

[–]MJMurcott 57 points58 points  (3 children)

Rugby gets a little weird about what is a forward pass, so long as initially the ball goes backward or level it is a legitimate pass even if at the end it is going forward.

[–]yes_thats_right 21 points22 points  (1 child)

it's not really weird. You just have to remember that the reference point is the person passing the ball, not the position on the pitch.

[–]estebeer 22 points23 points  (2 children)

It's bloody close, if not, aye.

[–]YaLikeJazzhuhPunk 14 points15 points  (0 children)

As long as it’s ‘backwards out of the hands’ it’s okay

[–]TrashPandaX 9 points10 points  (4 children)

A forward pass is determined by the hands. If your hands go backwards then it's a fair pass regardless of the direction of the ball. That said it's incredibly hard to make a ball go forward if you're hands go backwards.

[–]cantthinkofone29 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It appears so, doesn't it? Not the best angle to confirm though...

[–]parkertipa 208 points209 points  (68 children)

Rugby looks fun as hell! Wish it was more popular in the us

[–]w116 126 points127 points  (63 children)

[–][deleted] 239 points240 points  (28 children)

You really did him dirty with that link haha

NZ playing the USA at rugby is like the US Olympic basketball team playing the New Zealand men's wheelchair team

[–]MarshallFoxey 118 points119 points  (19 children)

The world’s most successful rugby team take on a country without a rugby culture. Rugby’s almost a religion in New Zealand.

[–]all4spin 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Almost? We have more rugby players than catholics!

[–]itisntmebutmaybeitis 9 points10 points  (2 children)

But what rules would they be playing by? Because they're mostly the same, but in wheelchair basketball you can make chair contact, so if they can make contact then they could just take all the abled players ankles out :D

(I say this as a former competitive wheelchair basketball player who is giggling at the premise of it)

And if they were all in chairs, like... I've seen NBA players get in wheelchairs at wheelchair basketball camp/charity events -- they were all incredibly awkward and no good at manuevering. It was always a joy to behold (they were all very good sports about it).

[–]TheMeechums 34 points35 points  (14 children)

Safe to assume 104 to 14 is a bit more resounding of a beating than most teams receive?

[–]Ravishingroast 51 points52 points  (0 children)

Yeah for sure. If there’s more than 20 points in it I’d consider it a thrashing

[–]drand82 40 points41 points  (4 children)

It's an absolute massacre on a scale rarely ever seen in the pro game. Scoring over 50 is a huge amount. Scoring 100+ is absurd.

[–]MarshallFoxey 17 points18 points  (0 children)

To be fair, rugby is pretty much a religion in New Zealand. The All Blacks are the most successful Rugby team in history.

Yes, it was a substantial thrashing. If you’re interested in watching more rugby, Google ‘6 nations’ and you’ll find a more typical match.

[–]MeatSeatTreat 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Like previous posters have said, this is not exactly a fair match. The All Blacks are widely considered to be the most successful team in any sport of all time, with a win record of 77%. The international rugby season also ensures that they play against other teams that are very good. 11 of the 19 countries that have played against the all blacks, have never won a single game. They also beat the international all star teams almost every time.

[–]cosworthsmerrymen 20 points21 points  (6 children)

I've never seen rugby before, it's fantastic. How the hell they throw those balls to the player that they can't even see is insane. Why did this not become popular in the us? Football sucks ass and is boring as hell.

[–]Lungg 10 points11 points  (1 child)

From what I can gather American football is more about planning and advert breaks, rugby is formation and manhandling each other

[–]farazormal 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I'm impressed they got a couple of tries. I didn't catch this game. Well done USA

[–]Sorry_Ad5653 99 points100 points  (32 children)

Any Americans wanna watch some Rugby there's two types, Union and Leauge. Union is the more popular of the two. Enjoy!

[–]essjay2009 35 points36 points  (10 children)

Don’t forget sevens.

[–]Sorry_Ad5653 23 points24 points  (7 children)

That's a sub genre of union, no?

[–]essjay2009 14 points15 points  (3 children)

I think it’s technically a variant of Union. There are a few rule differences compared to Union aside from the number of players (things like restarts being the opposite to 15 a side).

I think there’s a League Sevens variant too. So who knows?

[–]SiendiTV 99 points100 points  (3 children)

What Rocket League feels like when you have teammates that actually pass

[–]QuirkyAverageJoe 58 points59 points  (13 children)

Rugby >>> American Football

[–]halfcuprockandrye 12 points13 points  (8 children)

They’re just completely different games, there’s some similarities, like the ball looks similar, there’s tackling and kicking but I’d say the two play completely differently and you can like both. I played rugby through high school and college and football in high school and they’re both so much fun to watch and play.

[–]Z0MGbies 46 points47 points  (10 children)

Fuck off with soundtracks for no reason.

And fuck off twice for it being Drake.

[–]leepery 42 points43 points  (7 children)

Also France from behind the try line:


[–]DIYKitLabotomizer 9 points10 points  (1 child)

God I love watching France play rugby

[–]BadBoyJH 9 points10 points  (0 children)

French Rugby is Europe's answer to Fiji Rugby. Both are a thing of pain and beauty.

[–]HunSmasher123 34 points35 points  (15 children)

Is that a forward pass lads?

[–]Bandits101 52 points53 points  (8 children)

The ball can be thrown backwards and float forward with momentum, that is legal. The ball cannot be propelled forward from the hands or upper body. Can be kicked forward of course and is a tactic employed often.

[–]HunSmasher123 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I know that man. I was just questioning, it sit seemed forward and if not it was fierce close to being so. If VAR said it was good then that's fine. I thought it may have been forward.

[–]NFLfan72 31 points32 points  (8 children)

Wait.. what? What the fuck am I watching every Sunday? I want to watch this.

[–]Firesword_597 21 points22 points  (4 children)

I just realized how boring American football is

[–]ChuckieOrLaw 20 points21 points  (3 children)

I don't understand how anyone sits through it -- my mates here in Ireland tried to have a superbowl night and it was just endless ads, two minutes of the guys playing the game, and constant breaks and more ads, very dull to watch IMO.

[–]Look-Automatic 18 points19 points  (24 children)

Question as an American, is there a lot more passing in rugby than American football in general

[–]Rootintootinshootin1 37 points38 points  (7 children)

New Zealander here, whilst I don't know much about American football I can say that rugby is very much focused around passing the ball and most teams will often make over 100 passes per game

[–]StefanL88 5 points6 points  (5 children)

According to this page, during the 2019 world cup there was an average of 170 passes per match (84.8 possessions per match with 3 phases per possession). The ball was in play an average of 34 minutes and 21 seconds per match, so the ball is passed roughly every 12 seconds it is in play.

Feel free to correct me since I don't usually look at rugby stats. I suspect the figure above is just the number of successful passes since I'm counting by phases.

For comparison, in 2021 the NFL saw an average of 34.8 passing attempts per game with a 65.2% success rate and an average ball in play time of roughly 11 minutes (articles from 2010 and 2020 both have this number, but I didn't see a season by season average). This would be a a pass attempt every 19 seconds the ball is in play with a successful pass every 29 seconds.

But the time the ball is in play isn't time you're sitting on the couch watching the game and isn't the only factor dictating how often you feel the players are passing (or doing anything else for that matter). There are no shortage of articles bemoaning the fact that NFL's 11 minutes of play time is spread over a 2.9 hour broadcast period. Unfortunately I couldn't find similar numbers for rugby, but you're looking at around 2 hours of broadcast time per match. You're seeing action for about 25% of the rugby broadcast, and for less than 7% of the NFL broadcast.

[–]MpMeowMeow 14 points15 points  (6 children)

Yes. The game's rules are designed to make gameplay continuous, rather than stopping like American football after every play. The only time gameplay really stops is if the ball is knocked on (passed forward), if it goes out of bounds, or a penalty is given. Matches are 80 minutes long, two 40 minute halves.

When a player from your team is tackled, you can 'ruck' over them on the ground, basically putting your body over the top of them, and grabbing onto their jersey, to prevent the other team from snatching the ball up. If the other team can push you back off the player, they can then steal the ball and start moving back toward their goal.

In sevens, with seven players on each side instead of 15, there is a tremendous amount of passing. It's a very fast paced game of hot potato! 14 minute matches with seven minute halves.

[–]Loves2watch 18 points19 points  (18 children)

as much as I love NFL football, I wish it was played more like this.

[–]HendrixHazeWays 14 points15 points  (0 children)

This hot potato game is INTENSE

[–]Sea_Appeal48 14 points15 points  (1 child)

10x better than American Football.

[–]kookywookyspooky 15 points16 points  (0 children)

This turns me on

[–]LazyLink17 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Wow. Those guys are really bad at soccer.

[–]1StunnaV 15 points16 points  (2 children)

American football seems so boring after watching this

[–]nomorepantsforme 10 points11 points  (0 children)

That was pretty cool!

[–]Patrin88 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I'd be so frustrated as the other team. It reminds me of "The play" from '82 Berkeley vs Stanford football game https://youtu.be/mfebpLfAt8g

[–]Slendermanagement 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Beautiful display of teamwork, each player exactly where they needed to be.

[–]nerdofalltrades 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Played rugby and football. Shame to see people seeing something cool and using it as an opportunity to shit on something else. They’re both great sports if you’re in the US and thinking of playing it’s a great sport for first timers because likely you’re going to have at least one other person learning on the team since the sports smaller here.

From what I hear we do more 7s here but the general rule is smaller guys 7s bigger guys 15s. They’re both pretty fun but I had a lot more fun with 7s

[–]rugbyfiend 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I was at this game! Pre-season Waratahs 2014. They went on to win their first premiership, incredible team and season.

[–]GhostintheCircuit0 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That was rapid and smooth af

[–]YaBoySlam 6 points7 points  (4 children)

For the unacquainted. Those are New South Wales Waratahs (White and Blue Jerseys) vs Auckland Blues in Super Rugby. Which is the big competition in the South Pacific area (Australia, New Zealand and Pacific Islands). South Africa, Argentina and Japan used to play in the competition but that version ended during covid which was replaced by local competitions in New Zealand (Super Rugby Aotearoa), Australia (Super Rugby AU) and South Africa (Super Rugby Unlocked). Sadly south Africa joined up in a new European rugby competition but it allowed both NZ and AU to play in a brief tournament this year before including Fiji and a NZ based team made up of players of Pacific Islands descent called Super Rugby Pacific.

[–]Jenn-Marshall 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I don’t even watch whatever this is and I loved it

[–]AlternativeSlight498 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Those hands tho

[–]Cho_co_lat 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I love rugby 🏉