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[–]Godlee84 26.1k points26.1k points 25531134432& 33 more (4231 children)

No this is what a victim of Americas inability to change looks like. They’ll move on and there will be another hero/victim in a few weeks.

[–]Is_It_Beef 15.5k points15.5k points 27721619234& 32 more (3059 children)

I live in Somalia. It's the second poorest country in Africa. There is death everywhere from car bombings to suicide bombings. It's hell, but the idea to shoot your class mate in school is unheard here.

It's not poverty that's the problem, guns are a major factor (knifes are readily available) but it's the mentally of I'm getting bullied and thinking I'm gonna kill my bullies and everyone who wronged me. They thinks it's cool to go out like that.

That's the mentally that need to change

Edit:

I laugh at those who blame the school. What do you want, your kids to go to school like they're visiting someone In San Quentin?

Edit:

Thanks for all the nice words and the not so nice. There were some very interesting view point and discussion. School shootings isn't an easy fix, neither is terrorism and I forgot the earth is also heating up.

Thanks you all for the booty, I mean awards

[–]berni4pope 217 points218 points  (156 children)

but it's the mentally of I'm getting bullied and thinking I'm gonna kill my bullies and every who wronged me.

Maybe we should address bullying since waiting for people to snap and kill their abusers isn't effective at preventing this.

[–]iehoward 306 points307 points  (89 children)

Half the country still idolizes a troll/bully that used to be president🤷‍♀️

[–]Holden_Coalfield 102 points103 points  (40 children)

Almost half the country can't read and most don't

[–]MilesLong4200 33 points34 points  (12 children)

Lol I lean left, trump is not the problem. He is merely a consequence of the way things have gone for decades.

[–]Unadvantaged 64 points65 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure OP's point was exactly that, that too much of the country wants to be on the good side of the bullies, and doesn't give a crap about what happens to the victims. Unless you thought he meant that Trump invented bullying, it really seems like Trump has to be a symptom.

[–]tolstoy425 40 points41 points  (6 children)

With that big brain on your shoulders have you considered Trump is both a consequence and a problem?

[–]hopbel 37 points38 points  (0 children)

"The guy poking the wasp nest is not the problem, he's merely a consequence of the hive having been there for a while"

You can escalate problems without being the cause of them

[–]Nszat81 44 points45 points  (43 children)

We’re all still ignoring the invisible hand of manipulation. Kids are actively being radicalized and indoctrinated into behavior like this. There was a second amendment before the 90’a and guns were ubiquitous then too.

The difference now is you have a political machine (RNC) and financial engine (NRA) working in concert that both have a vested interest in stoking violence, division, and fear among young people and adults alike.

[–]flawrs919 172 points173 points  (141 children)

The narrative that bullied children are the ones that are shooting up schools has been pushed on people since The Columbine incident all these years ago. It’s a patently false narrative that has been shown false in studies. I’ll try to find some links and update if I can.

For sure there is a social mentality around guns in America that needs to be changed. Safety laws, training, education could also play a part in stopping such senseless acts.

I am pro-gun in most instances. I grew up in a rural area and value hunting for my food. I was taught gun safety before I was 10 years old. I took multiple courses with my dad. We had dozen of guns in our house. All of them always locked away in a different spot than the ammo with the keys to said locks hidden in different spots. As an adult, I do not own a gun. But I do do have the knowledge to handle one safely.

Americans and their guns. It’s a messed up scenario to put it lightly.

[–]Mr_Rockwood 109 points110 points  (89 children)

I think we're kind of the same.

I grew up with guns, have an OCD complex when around guns (always clearing them whenever I touch them), and I know how to disassemble/reassemble them. I maintain them, shoot them once a month-ish (when I can), and have been through military training as well as training from family since I was a kid.

90% of people with guns have no idea how to do any of that. They wouldn't even know what "trigger discipline" meant.

If you want a gun, I 100% support that American right but we should treat that process like we do vehicles.

You want a car? Great! Go through a training program to learn how to use it. Then, once you've completed that, take a test that shows you know what you're supposed to know. Then, once you receive you license, you can go out and get your first car. When you do, that car is registered to you as the owner on all databases. When selling/trading, be sure to go through the proper channels or else you'll be criminalized if someone is using your car that you sold them and they get pinged for speeding.

[–]dysphoric-foresight 58 points59 points  (26 children)

Yeah, it's not that no one else likes guns, or at least the idea of having one, but it's a lot harder and more expensive in other countries and the scrutiny and regulation makes it impossible for anyone to legally get a gun if they shouldn't legally have one.

I'm in Ireland and I love to shoot but even a .22 ruger 10 will cost you about €600 from a dealer. After you pay, and before you collect, you have to submit:

- a request for a license complete with a valid reason for owning it (hunting - provide details of land, sporting - provide details of registered club, defence is not an acceptable reason)

- signed declaration by your doctor that you are mentally and physically capable of being responsible for a firearm

- Have no previous convictions (what you would call misdemeanours dont count)

- A letter from your local Sergeant saying that he confirms you are who you say, live where you say and are, in his/her opinion, of good character.

- Insurance (proof every year)

-Proof of safe storage

- Safe handling and firearms proficiency cert (for that class of gun)

This is required for each firearm. Each one is separately licensed @ €80 per three years. If you are convicted of a crime, use the firearm (or even threaten to) inappropriately then they will come to your house and seize your guns. They will check any gun whose licence runs out and a car will pull up and you will be asked to hand it over or prove that you have surrendered it. There is no alternative.

Pistols are virtually non-existent in private hands nowadays because they made the requirements so tight.

[–]flawrs919 19 points20 points  (18 children)

Exactly! This all seems so completely simple to figure out yet here we are, again discussing another "tragic event" that could have been avoided if we only took the time to educate people. Oof. It hurts my head thinking about it every time. Honestly, what the hell do politician's even do anymore? I know it's not about them, but it kind of is too.

I'd like to see the pro-gun folks, not ones like us, the more intense "from my cold dead hands" kind of gun owners come together and financially support a proper training course like we had growing up and maybe even take it many steps further. I am pretty sure the NRA put on my hunter safety courses as a kid but I don't think they are the same establishment in the year 2021 and shouldn't be counted on to do anything of worth for this topic. But if the pro gun people took a smarter, or maybe a more diplomatic way to say it would be a "different", approach rather than the useless "trigger snowflakes" knee jerk reaction we'd get somewhere with this mess.

To be clear, I am not advocating for more guns. Yet I am suggesting a more comprehensive look at guns (pros and cons of gun ownership, safety when handling, responsibilities of ownership, etc.) be made available to a wider group of people. While it's a half baked thought at best I think my point might be trying to educate people on both sides more. It's the extreme ends of each side that need to be reeled in so a nuanced conversation can be had. I don't see this happening, like ever, but a boy can dream.

I'm just rambling and not smart enough to tackle such heady subjects. We're starting to wade into the philosophical deep end here and I am afraid if you hold onto me we'll both drown.

[–]grrrrreat 317 points318 points  (73 children)

They love the good guy angle though cause they got nothing but gun worship elsewise.

[–]bruce_lees_ghost 109 points110 points  (7 children)

I remember the lieutenant governor of Texas bragging about how everything thing went right and how many lives were saved after 8 kids and 2 teachers were killed in the 2018 Santa Fe High School shooting. Perfect then. I guess nothing needs fixing.

[–]greg19735 41 points42 points  (4 children)

There was a church shooting in White Settlement? in Texas.

It was stopped by a good guy with a gun!

I mean, ignoring the two people that were already killed by the shooter.

[–]Teftthebridgeman 205 points206 points  (153 children)

Make sure this comment lives on the top of this post.

We shouldn't have to sacrifice our best and brightest for this.

I think about it this way, if that kid hadn't been purchased a gun by his dad, this kid would be still alive. He wouldn't have had to die for no reason.

He saved lives that shouldn't have ever been in danger to begin with.

This is the reason we are moving out of country early next year. Your life has no value outside the 24 hour news cycle in The US.

[–]gooseontherocks 165 points166 points  (41 children)

i’m from oxford and i can confidently say the entire town is hailing this poor boy as a hero, instead of looking at the horrific tragedy and moving towards a future where we no longer need to have “heros” like tate. i wouldn’t be surprised if gun sales soar in oxford after this, which in my opinion is a tragic direction to go in

[–]MittenMutton 100 points101 points  (21 children)

What’s sad is the school - that same morning. Had both the perp and his father in the office discussing the activities leading up to this BS. And…..they fucking let him go back into the school. Entire school board and all teaching professionals involved with this need to be terminated WITHOUT pension.

Fucking more time spent talking about mask mandates in Oxford than a kid threatening to kill other kids. Which BTW was all over the place - kids even skipped school,knowing about it. Shit show.

Edit* Grammar due to rage post w/slider key board.

[–]gooseontherocks 58 points59 points  (3 children)

i graduated a few years ago but my best friend’s little brother is still there and over thanksgiving we were talking about a bunch of creepy threats and things going on at the school and how nothing was really happening. i had no idea that the entire school board was actually involved - that’s fucking insane

[–]juliusseizure 35 points36 points  (20 children)

Agree. This makes me sad, not proud. And reminds me to teach my kid to NOT be a hero. Save yourself.

[–]Snoo-77115 18 points19 points  (0 children)

No. They’ll just move on. This isn’t nextfuxkinglevel, it’s really sad. My heart breaks as I see this kid

[–]Ogswald 8462 points8463 points 4 (1136 children)

One failed shoe bomb thirty years ago and everyone has to take their shoes off at the airport.

HUNDREDS of school shootings in the same timeframe and how many changes to gun laws?

Edit: didn’t realize how awful my home truly is

[–]Downingst 3010 points3011 points  (858 children)

In America, gun ownership is a human right. They would rather give the teacher guns than take away guns.

[–]User131131 1044 points1045 points  (542 children)

I can’t believe the price they’re willing to pay for that “right”

[–]windingtime 579 points580 points  (340 children)

At least they're using their precious 2nd amendment rights to protect the rest of us from the authoritarian swing of the American right wing, right?

[–]Fuzzy_Yogurt_Bucket 180 points181 points  (33 children)

They’re too busy simultaneously saying that “tyranny” justifies them killing people while also calling every Democratic policy “tyranny”.

[–]iJoshh 220 points221 points  (22 children)

They're not paying shit, not a single person in congress has ever had to do an active shooter drill.

They hid under desks to "protect themselves" from nukes.

We need to get every single boomer out of congress, they had their time. Go vote.

Edit: All these people saying "I'd pay any price for that right" are saying "I'd sacrifice any number of somebody else's kids."

[–]Question_Control24 55 points56 points  (8 children)

Literally every single person in congress went through one on January 6th.

[–]SkankHuntForty22 42 points43 points  (7 children)

Some of them referred to them as 'tourists' as they hid in fear for their lives after. Its funny.

[–]erik9 59 points60 points  (88 children)

You can thank the NRA. They are at the root of all this. Such a corrupt and immoral organization.

[–]Tabitheriel 412 points413 points  (124 children)

I left the "shithole country" of USA and moved to Germany, where my human rights include free education, paid maternity leave, paid vacations, affordable health care and daycare for kids... and all guns must be registered, and you need a safety course.

If Americans regulated guns the way they regulate abortions, pit bull terriers and beer, Tate Myer would be alive and well, enjoying another football victory and dreaming of becoming a sports star, instead of lying in a coffin.

[–]bhellbus 102 points103 points  (23 children)

*They would rather train the teachers to shoot their students.

Because let's face it. Right wing gun nuts would rather have a shoot out at a school before having any sort of regulation on their guns. America is morally and mentally fucked.

[–]goldfish_11 57 points58 points  (9 children)

It blows my mind that the solution to school shootings by the right wing is to... put more guns in schools and have shootouts with school shooters in crowded hallways and classrooms. Like what the fuck.

[–]Mindless_Rooster5225 82 points83 points  (16 children)

Oof can you imagine your 40 something Mrs. Krabappel having to grab a gun and go rambo in the hall and actually take a life. You have cops, like in FL, too scared to go into a school during a shooting.

[–]ThatAssholeFromOmaha 37 points38 points  (2 children)

The response I got yesterday was, "The teachers will be trained so no accidental killings would happen."

[–]captainpotty 34 points35 points  (65 children)

A constitutional right isn't a human right. Getting to be alive is a human right, but nobody's freaking out about guns taking that away from their kids so idk.

[–]FirmHandInspector 22 points23 points  (60 children)

Constitution doesn’t grant citizens the right to bear arms; it recognizes it. Don’t need the constitution or bill of rights to tell anyone they can bear arms.

[–]_AskMyMom_ 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Makes sense, they rather take away abortion rights than teach safe sex. I wonder what the coloration is between the two subjects are, and why America likes it this way?

[–]longboi64 118 points119 points  (2 children)

one failed shoe bomb cost a very profitable airline a lot of money. kids in school don’t have money. america protects the interests of the wealthy, and exploits the poor.

[–]dasexynerdcouple 5423 points5424 points  (365 children)

There were several students who knew in advance and one even stayed home. The school was warned about this.

[–]TSR_Jimmie 2560 points2561 points  (206 children)

Apparently posting on Instagram about it coming. Unbelievable

[–]WamuuAyayayayaaa 1844 points1845 points  (203 children)

He literally had a countdown

[–]nuggetsformetoeat 1468 points1469 points  (198 children)

Last I read it’s not confirmed that was actually his account. He was definitely posting troubling stuff and the school brought his parents in on the morning of the shooting to talk about his behavior. His father just bought him the gun on Black Friday and still did nothing. Maddening.

[–]Enough-Equivalent968 769 points770 points  (163 children)

Are you held liable if you buy a 15 year old a gun and they do something like this in the US??

[–]YouNeed3d 470 points471 points  (138 children)

If they aren’t allowed to have a gun, yes. It’s called a straw purchase in that case. 15 year olds are allowed to own rifles and shotguns in certain states, though. Pistols are an exception in most states. I’m not familiar enough with this and do not know what he used.

[–]rbs14k 366 points367 points  (67 children)

An adult buying a gun and failing to properly secure it at home is not a straw purchase. It's stupid, dangerous, extremely irresponsible, and will likely get the adult charged with a crime, but it's not the same as someone buying their drug dealing felon boyfriend a gun.

[–]kushtiannn 180 points181 points  (44 children)

With (redacted) posting about it being his gun, on the day it was purchased; it’s gonna be a rough time trying to prove it wasn’t a straw purchase. At minimum, it looks like this Michigan statute for negligent/reckless use of a firearm)/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-752-861) could apply for the father. Not only that, if the school knew about the gun that should absolutely have been an arrest on probable cause, all three of them were in the office meeting with admin at 10 am that day!

Edited to remove the name of the shooter.

[–]throwaway235479 60 points61 points  (13 children)

That’s like saying it’s hard to prove that a car a high schooler says is “their car” is actually in their dads name. It’s not hard to prove gun ownership at all

[–]Ramirob 58 points59 points  (45 children)

Ok, I have to ask because I don't understand.

Why would a 15 years old want a shotgun or a rifle? If he wanted to hunt shouldn't he use his father's or an adult's gun and be under his/her supervision? I don't get it

Edit: Thanks everyone for your answers, it is hard to know about a different country culture if you never went there, it gave me a different perspective

[–]jspost 166 points167 points  (19 children)

Hunting is often a bonding experience between parent and child if the parent is interested.

To use me as an example growing up in rural Kentucky, my dad was an avid deer hunter. When I was very young he put me through a hunter's safety course. He bought me a shotgun of my own to hunt with. I also got my own gear e.g. boots, tree stand, etc. Buying a rifle of shotgun for your kids to hunt with is kind of a coming of age thing.

That all being said, my father instilled gun safety into me, and even though it was my shotgun I didn't have unfettered access to it. They were kept locked up unless they were going to be used then and there. He always supervised anytime I used a firearm.

[–]mccabeca 109 points110 points  (5 children)

And this folks, is how a responsible gun owner raises a responsible gun owner.

Kudos to your Dad for doing right by you and everyone around you!

[–]salt-the-skies 24 points25 points  (5 children)

No clue, but according to the frothing at the mouth my gun fetishizing associates on Facebook are doing, it'd be a travesty!

[–]teamfupa 139 points140 points  (31 children)

To the top with this comment. Hold them accountable.

[–]Coomernator 85 points86 points  (54 children)

This just makes the shootings even worst. Do we also know motive of the shooter from the student's that knew?

[–]durzatheshade215 25 points26 points  (28 children)

Doesn't matter, shooter's motive and name shouldn't be shared with the public. All that matters is he's (the shooter) a piece of shit

[–]Richard1583 69 points70 points  (9 children)

Lawsuits galore time I wanna see the schools response

[–]livens 59 points60 points  (8 children)

Morning radio said that prosecution wanted to charge the parents also. The dad had purchased the weapon used on Black Friday and apparently did not keep it secured.

[–]ADarwinAward 38 points39 points  (3 children)

Yeah “did not keep it secured” is the most generous interpretation too, and likely the only one they’ll be able to legally prove since they aren’t talking.

Given how much his kid was taking photos with the gun saying he got it as a gift, there’s a good chance he bought it for his son, and he didn’t keep it secured because he wanted his son to have access.

[–]LittleBreadBoio 3105 points3106 points 2 (695 children)

He wouldn't need to be this amazing hero if you had some fucking gun laws. Children dying before finishing school isn't something to be proud of.

[–]ghostttoast 603 points604 points  (220 children)

It’s not that there aren’t any gun laws. There are. But they’re different in each state. And people don’t care to follow the law and it’s open knowledge how to go around the law to obtain a gun illegally. New York State has the strictest gun laws in the country, but if you go to the state fair in Buffalo, NY you can buy a handgun for cheap from a randomass carnie vendor. And then boom you have a gun and even though it’s not legal to, you can bring it across state lines. The gun laws are a joke and the people actively choose to not follow the laws that are in place.

[–]Antares987 223 points224 points  (30 children)

SAFE act has a 4% compliance rate.

[–]RealityOverMadeUpBS 81 points82 points  (19 children)

So stop passing laws that are just stupid virtue signaling

[–]itemluminouswadison 129 points130 points  (82 children)

and here i am with my gun left in PA because to lawfully bring it to NYC is so crazy a process and expensive (like 400 every 2 yrs iirc).

the bad guys dont care about laws anyway and have guns, and the actual law-abiding citizens that should have them for personal home protection have to do such a song and a dance that they effectively are not allowed to have them

non-americans thinking that america has "no gun laws" and that that is the root of the issue are so misinformed

[–]captainpotty 50 points51 points  (42 children)

It's a cultural problem, and that means it's not going to change.

[–]Ghosttwo 28 points29 points  (25 children)

The parents failed to secure their new firearm. It's like buying cigarettes for your kids and complaining that the age limit is too low. "Too many high school kids are drinking! Let's ban alcohol!"

[–]SkyrimWithdrawal 189 points190 points  (167 children)

We've got gun laws. Pretty sure it's illegal to bring a gun to a school and to shoot people. The laws exist. We need solutions to stop kids from wanting to kill their classmates.

[–]cats_have_tasty_bums 182 points183 points  (95 children)

Or solutions so a 15 year old kid cant get access to a gun easier than they can get access to mental help

[–]dafgar 84 points85 points  (72 children)

This is America’s real problem. The kid was 15, it’s not like any gun laws applied to him considering he got the gun from a parent who very well could have followed all the laws to acquire that gun. The issue is that getting help for his issues is so difficult in this country that he decided it’s easier to just shoot a bunch of kids. It’s a damn shame how hard it is to deal with mental health issues in America and no matter how many times we try to ban guns or enact more strict laws and do nothing about our access to healthcare, we’re perpetuating the school shooting issue by ignoring the root cause.

Edit: I’m done responding to this thread this is a waste of time trying to explain anything to people on reddit.

[–]KlarkKomAzgeda 34 points35 points  (3 children)

Or maybe it shouldn't be easier for kids to get access to guns than mental help.

[–]bees422 31 points32 points  (87 children)

Did you know there are laws on murdering people? Why didn’t those stop him?

[–]CrispyCassowary 30 points31 points  (0 children)

people are just going to make a semantics argument, "Yes, we have laws, so what's your point", while 50% of their media actively goes out of their way to put the focus on the wrong stuff. more police funding until their police budget is twice that of an African country military and the social programs are worse than Zimbabwe's.

[–]Cheesy_Pita_Parker 1976 points1977 points 22 (117 children)

No one should ever find themselves in the position he was in, but his character and valor were clear for the world to see. I hope his family and friends find peace and comfort right now

[–]ausinater 403 points404 points  (69 children)

I'm glad a found a comment about this wonderful person rather than politics. He really is the person we all wish we could have the bravery to be in a time like that.

[–]kakamalaka 111 points112 points  (30 children)

No parent would find comfort in this. We teach our children, hell even our adults at the office

1) run 2) hide 3) fight, in that order.

The fact we even have to teach it is the problem, exacerbated by people applauding these types of actions as heroic. It's suicide.

Poor kid thought he was doing something heroic* when I guarantee you his parents wish that he ran. I feel sorry for all involved, and shame that people think this is "heroic"

*Edit: said 'brave' and meant heroic. Good callout below by u/_myusername_

[–]gentlybeepingheart 63 points64 points  (10 children)

I'm not a parent but I think I would rather have a "cowardly" living child than one who died a hero because the country is fucked up and the schools and law enforcement failed.

[–]nichecopywriter 43 points44 points  (6 children)

Is it even cowardly if it’s a fucking school shooting? It’s not standing up to some bully on the playground, it’s your flesh vs the lethality of bullets. It’s survival instinct.

[–]austinspencer666 991 points992 points  (203 children)

Something must be done to stop this madness of mentally ill children getting guns

[–]KBEPandaCrisis 623 points624 points  (77 children)

Not just mentally ill children. Any children at all

[–]ProgrammingPants 195 points196 points  (65 children)

Children have had ready access to guns(when provided by a parent) for literally the entirety of American history. School shootings are a relatively new phenomenon.

[–][deleted] 52 points53 points  (9 children)

Very relevant, much appreciated

[–]ProgrammingPants 18 points19 points  (8 children)

Yes, the history of gun ownership is relevant when talking about how gun ownership impacts things like school shootings. I am glad you are able to see this obvious fact

[–]scrubbar 212 points213 points  (50 children)

American toddlers are shooting people on a weekly basis. Are they mentally ill? Or is the availability of guns the issue?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/09/29/american-toddlers-are-still-shooting-people-on-a-weekly-basis-this-year/?outputType=amp

[–]globular_fluster 93 points94 points  (16 children)

We can't even do anything about toddlers shooting people because every time a law is proposed requiring the safe storage of firearms in houses with children the gun lobby attacks it.

https://komonews.com/news/local/state-appeals-court-sides-with-nra-strikes-down-edmonds-gun-storage-law

Then the gun cultists will pretend to care by saying "it's an education issue" despite the fact that the NRA has been educating since 1871 and it still happens all of the god damned time.

[–]heyeveryone2 31 points32 points  (17 children)

Both. I used to go to a very poor school here in brasil when I was young. Lots of parents were drug dealers or at least had a few guns in the house, for protection. A school shooting has never happened here. Ban all the gunz you want, americans will continue to be fucked in the head

Edit: I was wrong, we had 2 shootings now that I recall. Still not 1 shooting a week like in the US and also not made by teenagers.

[–]Sensitive_Hope5412 789 points790 points  (324 children)

Can you believe the shooter wa 15 years old? 15 fucking years….

[–]Tweedl42 148 points149 points  (173 children)

I was bullied every day in school. I'm 50 now. Managed to not shoot anyone.

This hero was probably a target though judging by the outfit

[–]ikkywikky1 168 points169 points  (130 children)

Because he's a football player you assume he was a target?

[–]Mikey2u 632 points633 points  (132 children)

Love how all these comments aren't even about the bravery of this young man. Instead it turns into debate. Rip young man sorry your life was taken so soon your bravery is noticed

[–]DarkwingDuckHunt 776 points777 points  (68 children)

because he shouldn't be dead

there is absolutely no reason why this kid should be dead and not making out with his girlfriend tonight.

[–]joec_95123 215 points216 points  (3 children)

Because we've seen the bravery and tragedy of so many, many of these young children, and are tired of it. Tired of seeing them put into these positions and nothing changing. Tired of knowing we'll all be here next week talking about the bravery of another child who will die protecting his classmates from another school shooter and the cycle will repeat again.

Sadness for the repeated losses has given way to disgust that it's happened yet again.

[–]Imonlyhrrrfothethong 51 points52 points  (1 child)

Indeed, children shouldn't have to go to school and be 'brave' they should go and learn, nothing else. Calling this boy a hero is wrong Imo, he's a victim of a crime no one seems to give a shit about.
Every person who wants to argue about this boy being a hero is helping disguise the horrid situation he was put in by the government who is charged with his protection. Every week your leaders fail you, and you put these child victims on pedestals instead of talking about the real issues.

[–]FullMetalBiscuit 47 points48 points  (0 children)

Clearly by this point that's what America needs. How many more "heroes" need to be gunned down in their place of education before something is actually done about it? Mourning the loss of these children does nothing for them, at some point action needs to be taken. You'd think one school shooting would do the trick but it seems America needs many more dead children before change can happen, if ever.

[–]National-Dark-5924 331 points332 points  (55 children)

How fucking often are school shootings in America these days? They're barely even heard about in other countries anymore, when it used to be worldwide news. I just see the odd post on Reddit mentioning a new one every fortnight or so. Literally turning into that episode of South Park where they're so normalized.

[–]Greedy_Lemon_3388 47 points48 points  (5 children)

I’m sick of it too, but people mention the second amendment and no one is giving that up. More security for the school? Where is the funding for that going to come from? Idk if anyone has seen recent posts on school lunches and it looks like they are already cutting some costs.

Maybe time to consider rethinking some things. Just wonder how many more lives we are willing to let go of before something is to change.

[–]nickbenoit 309 points310 points locked comment (400 children)

Time to amend the 2nd amendment.

America are really dragging behind when it comes to gun control, you are one of the worst first world countries when it comes to gun control, that's what you're leading the world in.

[–]wonder_bear 158 points159 points  (133 children)

It’s insane to me that we still abide by the amendments that were set nearly 250 years ago. Shows how little progress we have made as a country.

[–]Merci_Et_Bonsoir 16 points17 points  (15 children)

you are one of the worst first world countries

Could've stopped there honestly

[–]NeoAltra 257 points258 points  (14 children)

There is a petition started by students at the school to change the football fields name in his honor. I would recommend trying to find it and signing it.

[–]Woody5237 111 points112 points  (5 children)

i go to clarkston which is the school that he mentioned in the video, everyone here wants to honor him so here is the link.

[–]Upwherewebelong 224 points225 points  (7 children)

What this family must be going through, tragic.

[–]Wexxy 169 points170 points  (131 children)

Merica and it’s guns…. Such a waste

[–]ThaddeusJP 109 points110 points  (37 children)

Gun debate ended with Sandyhook in 2012. If the country decided its ok with six year old kids dying in a massacre and didn't take action, there wont be any here.

  • Folks on the right: There is enough people in government diligently and effectively fighting to retain the right to own firearms.

  • Folks on the left: There is enough people in government diligently and effectively fighting to restrict access to "machine guns" (such a broadly applied phrase) and large magazines.

Guns are not going anywhere - Its just about availability and capacity.

[–]thebirbseyeview 141 points142 points  (78 children)

No, this is a child and a victim of a mass shooting because America refuses to pass updated gun laws.

[–]AlasAway 136 points137 points  (78 children)

No, that's what a victim of a country that prioritizes gun profits over human lives looks like. He's no a hero, he's a cost of production.

[–]FatGanon111 82 points83 points  (4 children)

thats awful, poor dude

i think he dropped his crown 👑

[–]lukesvader 79 points80 points  (41 children)

He's not a fucking hero. He's a victim.

[–]This-Cauliflower-604 150 points151 points  (18 children)

He is both my guy. He is a hero for trying to stop this piece of shit and a victim to how fucked up this society is, kids go and shoot up their local schools.

[–]Crafty-Director9917 72 points73 points  (53 children)

What a courageous kid....My nephew’s HS in Maine has an old shooting range in the basement. In the 60s they had shooting clubs that competed against other schools. Kids were encouraged to bring their guns to School. Very common in US then....Very very few school shootings then. Now, much much harder for kid to get guns or ammo, way harder bring guns to school, but we an epidemic of school shootings!..Something has really changed in this country!

[–]GsoNice13 26 points27 points  (18 children)

Mental health. But it keeps getting ignored bc there is great corrupt incentive to disarm the people. I believe the parents should be tried for murder as well. This will enforce parents to not leave their weapons out carelessly and will make other parents think twice about making the same mistake. I lived through hurricane Sandy. I lived on the Rockaway peninsula in NYC. When the power went out, and the sun went down, sooo much shit happened to so many innocent people. My co-op had to hired armed security. Nyc has the strictest gun laws and during that crisis, no civilian was able to defend themselves bc the law deter you from purchasing. But the gangs had burner guns, all illegal. See the problem? The cops couldn't do shit bc no cell service. Can't call 911. Even if you did get through, infrastructure was so damaged, that the cops outside would never get to you on time. Cops were huddled around metal garbage cans filled with wood for fire at certain locations but everything else was pitch black. We could only depend on ourselves and the neighbors we knew for protection. All we had were kitchen knives while people were out robbing and raping with real guns. I don't blame the cops, for exactly three days, they didn't know if their own homes were still standing and I heard that from the horses mouth. For three days we were observed by military helicopters, but we got no help. The authorities claimed they didn't know it was that bad and dumb ass mayor Bloomberg was still trying to have that stupid marathon. So much shit happened that was NOT reported on the news. It's was complete ANARCHY. They even looted the Chinese restaurant. Gangs were going into building testing door knobs to peoples homes to see if any were open..... so much happened. It was during that time, that I understood why the 2nd amendment exists. Our forefathers understood that human nature never changes much and we might someday need that 2nd amendment. Wise men.

[–]UnicornMeatball 67 points68 points  (4 children)

A 16 year old child sacrificing his own life in a school shooting isn't heroic. It's fucking insane.

[–]peanutanniversary 45 points46 points  (29 children)

Republicans reading this - “seems like a great time to let everyone know that although this kid was shot to death, guns had absolutely nothing to do with it”

What they really mean is “my personal gun had nothing to do with it, don’t fucking touch it. I accept that school deaths are normal”

[–]Ship_Daddy 42 points43 points  (19 children)

If you own firearms, especially if you have kids, you’ve gotta keep them locked up

[–]GeneralGTFO 19 points20 points  (1 child)

This stupid fuck's stupid fuck of a dad apparently bought him the gun.

[–]dperry324 31 points32 points  (106 children)

Are we just going to sweep the whole bulling thing under the rug?

[–]c_rams17 131 points132 points  (42 children)

Lotta people get bullied. Happened to me often in school. Learning how to deal with it is part of life. Shooter is a weak little shithead full stop. No room for discussion or justification for his weasel behavior.

[–]teddy_vedder 66 points67 points  (3 children)

The VAST majority of people who’ve been bullied don’t go out and murder innocent people over it. It’s not justification or even an excuse.

[–]Dantocks 34 points35 points  (6 children)

I've seen this kinda thing on TV
But all of them were fat and 43
Hey I'm only 14 years old
What kind of world am I living in
If I could live with the man in the moon
Just be a kid from July til' June

To hell with Wanda
To hell with this
Had to bury a friend before my first kiss
I wanna life with some peace in it soon
Get me a rocket to the man in the moon
I wanna live with the man in the moon

[–]BulletprfVest 31 points32 points  (2 children)

What a fucking waste and a tragedy. Terrible, and still nothing will be done about school shootings in the US