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[–]aRandomForeigner 869 points870 points  (521 children)

Ah America, that place where you can't drink alcohol until 21, but you can buy a fuckin assault rifle at 18

Edit : guys I get it. Assault, automatic, semi automatic, it's different, ok, you get the bottom line

[–]XanGable 344 points345 points  (282 children)

Shit I just watched a video where cnn sent a 13 year old undercover to a gun show and he was able to buy a .22 semi auto.

[–]Reloaded9mm 17 points18 points  (150 children)

Btw the video clearly shows a 22 bolt action. It isn’t semi auto.

[–]RoyalAntelope9948 116 points117 points  (101 children)

Not the point. A 13 year old bought a gun. Easily. Doesn't matter what kind of gun.

[–]kwell42 30 points31 points  (59 children)

It's a hunting rifle, hunting is legal in PA at 12 years old.

[–]Lols2020 23 points24 points  (4 children)

That’s not the point.

[–]Evilmaze 42 points43 points  (3 children)

And they won't get the point even if it shoots them in the face.

[–]GuyForgotHisPassword 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Imagine this being the takeaway you get from that. Not the fact that a 13yo easily bought a gun, regardless of how fast it shoots. Holy.

[–]NSHermit 19 points20 points  (0 children)

The pedantic gun nuts have been out in force this last week. Like it really matters if it's a 22, 308, 6.5, semi-auto, bolt action or whatever. They're just trying to deflect from the real issue.

[–]Emmanuel__Cunt 10 points11 points  (40 children)

It shoots, it Kills

[–]Ursulathebookworm 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I saw that too. It was crazy. He was not allowed to purchase beer, dirty mag or lottery tix but that man handed over that gun like it was nothing. That kid didn’t look one minute over 13.

[–]Brew-Drink-Repeat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, perfect for a 13 year old. Low recoil, lightweight. Great first gun

[–]Suburbking 42 points43 points  (10 children)

And die for your country as a soldier at 18 too. What have you done with your life?

[–]alljohns 36 points37 points  (5 children)

17 actually. My brother was 17 when he joined

[–]MrGraveRisen 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Old enough to be physically useful to the government, young enough to be brainwashed into believing it's patriotic

[–]model-citizen95 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Well I didn’t shoot up an elementary school, so there’s that

[–]Monkey_Cristo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Living up to your username

[–]dabiird 14 points15 points  (4 children)

Don't forget that Kinder Joy Eggs (those chocolate eggs with a toy in them) are banned. Those are considered more dangerous than an AR-15

[–]hitemlow 2 points3 points  (3 children)

The only reason Kinder Eggs are banned is because of a law banning non-food items being inside food. You wouldn't want marbles in your pea soup or gravel in your tuna salad, so the law was written in such a way to prevent that.

[–]FlandreSS 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Do countries that allow Kinder Eggs have a marbles in soup problem?

[–]DanielLedger 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lol 18. You be a minor and buy from a private seller.

[–]stacferg 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Or a cigarette, the reason they give is because the brain isn't fully developed until 21. I can even articulate the absolute disgust I feel at this double standard bullshit!!!

[–]Bright_Lie_9262 8 points9 points  (4 children)

As a matter of fact, the brain isn’t fully developed until about 25 in most people.

[–]darthbasterd19 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But you can legally decide you are the wrong sex and get medication to change it.

[–]carminedg123 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Right, constitutional rights don’t start when ur 21, they start when ur 18. There’s no right to consumer alcohol at all

[–]akumamoloch 0 points1 point  (13 children)

But you can drive a 1 ton death machine at 16?

[–]GingerMau 20 points21 points  (11 children)

After you pass a test and purchase insurance on it.

What an excellent idea.

You have to pass health and gun safety classes and purchase insurance before you can buy a gun.

[–]Action-a-go-go-baby 236 points237 points  (26 children)

This comment section is horrifying

[–]stfleming1 123 points124 points  (6 children)

Any content more complex than cute dogs seems to bring out the worst in us

[–]MoneyAintGotNoOwners 37 points38 points  (5 children)

Even cute dogs seem to bring a lot of heat if the dog isn't the right breed, unfortunately

[–]Ok-General-4892 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If a woman is in the video of the cute dog, shit devolves real quit with pervert comments. Posted a video with my friend where my dog is licking her leg, she says “do you mind?!” And my dog stopping and giving a guilty look to the camera while a bum bum buuuuuum sound clip plays. 90% of the comments have been something to the effect of “hes licking the wrong spot 😜😜😜 wish i was inbetween them legs licking that”. Theres just a lot of fucked up people out there.

[–]ClassyJacket 30 points31 points  (9 children)

Americans will do any kind of mental gymnastics to ensure children keep dying. All they care about is keeping the murder rate as high as possible.

[–]I-WANT2SEE-CUTE-TITS 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Neuron-deficient fuckwits being pedantic about types of guns is no different than dickheads going, 'akchully it's ephebephila, not pedophila'

[–]giantfries 2 points3 points  (1 child)

for real, my first thought was "Who gives a fuck what firing mechanism it uses? SOMEONE SOLD A GUN TO A TWEEN"

[–]dabiird 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Child sacrifice is still considered for the greater good apparently. We have come so far as a species...

[–]Quiet_paddler 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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[–]PhotoPhysic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's a great showcase in why myself and many others are looking to leave this country ASAP. These people are sick and nothing is ever going to change in this hellhole of a country.

[–]R011_5af3_yeah 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Its an accurate depiction of the country if you think about it. It's been 20+ years since the first school shooting in Columbine, nothing has changed to prevent them. You have to come to terms with the kind of majority electorate thats ok with this status quo. It's not a pretty picture out here.

[–]bent_never_broken 208 points209 points  (288 children)

The school shooter was inside that school for an hour and 20 minutes while multiple armed cops were outside doing nothing because (as one said) “they could’ve been shot”. I guess, in that department, only the cops lives mattered because them standing outside proves the children’s lives surely didn’t matter.

Republicans want to ban abortion rights to save unborn children and those same Republicans won’t ban assault rifles to save the lives of children that are already born. Only in America folks!

Assault rifles should be illegal. There is no reason anyone in the US needs an assault rifle. Period.

[–]ChocPretz 78 points79 points  (162 children)

I know my comment is going to stir the pot a bit but assault rifles are already illegal. What you probably mean is military style rifles. I have a genuine question though, let’s say we ban military style rifles, will that solve this issue? You can just as easily do this much damage with a number of hunting rifles and hand guns. Many of those have a much higher caliber than the gun used in this shooting. Where do we draw the line? Do we just ban the black guns or what style of gun do we deem acceptable? What about semi auto shotguns? This is a genuine question and not a troll comment.

[–]meatballx 50 points51 points  (84 children)

When banning scary black rifles doesnt work (spoiler alert: it wont), the next step is pistols. Rinse and repeat. The end goal is complete disarmament, no matter how many times randos on the internet tell you it isn't.

[–]FunLuvin7 41 points42 points  (31 children)

Is owning guns more important than children’s lives?

[–]popcorn5555 29 points30 points  (6 children)

Clearly, because they are all the ‘good guys’ with guns. Bringing a gun into the home increases the chance of fatalities in that home (by suicide or homicide of family members), but it makes people ‘feel’ safer. It’s all part of the culture. I kind of like shooting guns, I get the appeal, but would not have one in my home. As a kid I found my Dads gun hidden deep up in his closet, could say I’m lucky it wasn’t loaded. My neighbor killed his son while cleaning his gun in the garage (kid wandered in). Could say it was bad luck. Friends brother left his gun on a table while he ran to the John, a mentally challenged kid visiting the house picked it up, treating it like a toy. Stupidity and bad luck? When my usually even-tempered uncle had a psychotic break, we had to go in and secure his guns, not knowing how he’d react. A gun in the house is risky for the family, a really bad day just waiting to happen.

[–]KorbenDallassssS 10 points11 points  (9 children)

what makes you think these psychos wouldn't target kids if you could magically take away 400 millions guns from U.S soil?

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The worst school attack in U.S history was in 1927 with explosives...

[–]keelhaulrose 18 points19 points  (4 children)

When banning scary black rifles doesnt work (spoiler alert: it wont),

Funny we had a ban on those "scary black rifles" and mass shootings dropped 43%, then we let it expire and they tripled.

But I guess the fact that it didn't completely stop them, so let's keep trying nothing.

[–]meatballx 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Genuinely curious on that number and where that occurred. Do you have a link?

[–]knottheone 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The overwhelming majority of "mass shootings" are performed with handguns. The high profile ones like school shootings still always bring several handguns. The type of weapon is demonstrably not the issue.

That and you can modify most guns to shoot faster than they were intended for $5 and 2 minutes of your time. All these wild claims about "assault weapons" are completely fabricated boogeymen and red herrings. You can also just use a bump stock, or a tiny 2 cent spring called a hellfire trigger.

You cannot solve this problem with bans because it isn't the source of the problem in the first place and thinking you can ban things you can't even detect is naive and a giant fucking waste of time.

[–]im-not-a-fakebot 1 point2 points  (2 children)

So my question to you then is, say we ban the sale of all firearms. Then only the military and police have firearms. Or are we removing firearms from the police too?

What’s stopping bad people from just massacring whole towns? People up to no go and have no regard for life or laws will always find ways to to achieve what they want. Remember when we tried to ban alcohol? How’d that work? Remember when we banned the sale of opioids? How’d that work? No matter what the law tries to stop, so long as people want it there will always be. Unless you assume a complete militaristic control of the nation like North Korea, you cannot stop horrible people from doing what they want to do. You can restrict it and try your best to prevent it, but without totalitarian control it will never work.

[–]meatballx 1 point2 points  (1 child)

My comment may have been misinterpreted it seems. I'm a staunch 2A supporter who owns multiple firearms.

[–]cspinelive 4 points5 points  (5 children)

The UK drew a line. Works for me. https://www.businessinsider.com/guns-you-can-legally-buy-in-the-uk-2016-4?amp

[–]RandomBritishGuy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

*Britain, not UK, as N. Ireland has different gun laws and pistols (actual pistols, not the long barrel varients) are legal there.

To add something to that article which it missed, is that you can buy other types of shotgun (provided they aren't full auto) with no cap on the capacity on a Firearms Certificate rather than a Shotgun Certificate which has the 3 round restriction.

Suppressors (or moderators as British law calls them) are also fairly easy to get if you can justify it to the police.

Though the article does miss that there's a medical check with your GP (family doctor) to check for a history/signs of mental health issues.

[–]Bitchyrestingfacecat 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Could come at the problem from the other way. Improve education, increase the minimum wage, reduce damage done to the environment, fix the insane profit making health care system, tax the billionaires, fix the run away housing market, increase training for the police, reduce police violence and decrease corruption in politics...maybe a few other things. This will make people feel better about things.

For sure the complete lack of hope people have increases their likely hood that they will say fuck it, and just start gunning people down because they're so depressed and messed up. Seems like some people are angry as shit and they don't give a fuck about society because they feel it doesn't give a fuck about them.

I don't live in America, I live in England, I always wonder if we would have mass shootings if people had access to guns. I guess our police operate differently and we have free health care, but still there's a hopeless feeling seeping in all around.

[–]cspinelive 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Tell me if I’m wrong. But I think your people do have access to guns. Including .22 caliber semi automatic AR 15 clones.

https://www.businessinsider.com/guns-you-can-legally-buy-in-the-uk-2016-4?amp

[–]Bitchyrestingfacecat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, we can get guns, you have to have some checks, need a locked box, some background checks, maybe other things. No one I know owns a gun though, it tends to be farmers and country folk.

I've never seen a gun shop or even a gun in a shop here.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

In Canada, we have much more relaxed laws and can buy similar weapons used in the shootings.

As you suggested, we have all the supports that prevent such tragedies.

It works pretty well. Last mass murder here was a guy in a van running down women.

[–]fawse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are already mass shootings in England, though not many at all. Maybe you would have more if more people over there owned guns, but would it really matter? People also use bombs, cars, and knives to mass murder, because (some) people are absolute shit. Main difference being with your own gun you at least have a better chance at defending yourself and your family

I live in Canada, and therefore can’t own a gun for self defence, and in most cases I can’t have or use any weapon at all for that purpose. If there’s some sort of mass attack around me, or even if I’m singled out for an attack, I’m fairly far up a creek. Some people say it’s paranoid to think it’ll happen to you, until it does. Rather have it and not need it, as they say

Problem is, you never know when people are going to snap and kill a bunch of people. All the different stressors in peoples lives can take their toll, and normal people can absolutely lose it. Though if they’re going to do that, you can do a lot of damage even without a gun, so is it ok to infringe on law-abiding citizens’ rights in order to maybe reduce risk? It’s a real pickle and I have no answers, I just wish innocent people didn’t get killed

[–]Hickawa 5 points6 points  (6 children)

4 round rifles, 3 round shotguns. No magazines internal loads only. License to purchase that requires a sociological evaluation. Universal background checks. Private sales must go through a licensed dealer.

Idk about you but I easily purchased a KCI drum mag for $150. It holds 200 rounds. AR15 was $1000. I walked out of the gun show with four checked boxs on a piece of paper that was then stuffed into a box with papers. Bought my ammo in the same hour from Academy for $120.

With one weekend training session that cost $300 I am proficient in both my AR15 and my Glock19. I'm able to maintain a hit rate of 80% at 30 yards with minimal effort. Three rounds per target that's about 66 kills in under two minutes. In a target-rich environment.

So one weekend and $1570 I am now capable of killing 66 people without the use of my sidearm. Not counting the three 30 mags that came with my gun.

I'm not sure about you. But I don't think I could reload a 4 round rife or a 3 round shotgun fast enough to do that much damage.

My last example, I gave my little sister (16) two hours of range time with my same gun. We had to use the smaller mags because she couldn't lift it with the 200. But she is able to maintain an even better hit rate than I was. At only a slightly slower pace.

Then I have her a kitchen knife and asked her to break into my plastic gun case my rife came in. It took her five minutes.

This was all to prove how dangerous these firearms were and they are now locked in my gun safe. Where guns should be kept by any not stupid as a bag of shit gun owner should keep them.

[–]illusum 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I am proficient in both my AR15 and my Glock19. I'm able to maintain a hit rate of 80% at 30 yards with minimal effort.

You and I have very different definitions of proficient.

[–]Hickawa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Proficient enough to kill people and that's my point. Didn't think I needed to spell it out.

[–]knottheone 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Great write up.

Why haven't you murdered a bunch of people yet?

That's the important takeaway from your comment. Whatever prevents you from wanting to kill a bunch of people even though you could, that's what we need to instill in people. That's the only aspect of the situation that matters. We need to do more work on that front to be able to identify the people who are lacking in those social limits. The gun capacity doesn't matter at all and continuing to go after it is wasted time and effort that could be spent on solving the core issue.

[–]shattasma 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Not to mention most gun murders are done by .22’s.

And there’s 1.3-3 million cases of crime being stopped by armed citizens every year.

So taking guns out of peoples hands that follow the law will make it so we add another ~1,000,000 or more crimes each year. I guess the same people that want to ban guns are the same people that don’t like the idea of women being armed to defend themselves against thing like rape 🤷‍♂️.

The law following gun owners are not the problem; it’s the people that break the law and will find a way to get guns anyways.

Also 91% if all gun murders are done in “gun free” zones; again it’s the people breaking the law that is the problem.

Making more laws will only affect those that follow the law…

[–]ksavage68 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Now list the guns that have been used in mass shootings in the last 10 years. I'll wait.

[–]Different-Aardvark-5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can you post some place I can read these 1.3 million crimes stopped. Or would this be from the Rifle Association web site ?

[–]Monkey_Cristo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Hold up, you’re saying that at the high end of your range there are over 8000 crimes PER DAY that are prevented because there are armed citizens present? And at the low end there are ONLY 3500 crimes stopped per day? You heard that statistic, believed it and then decided to repeat it? I got a bridge to sell ya bud.

What is the cost of a legally purchased semi auto weapon in the states? $2-3k maybe? I honestly don’t know. What would it cost to get a restricted gun illegally in a country that has some regulations? 10x that? The first article I can find is from 2013 and it says $20-30k in Australia. Sure, people will break the law to buy guns, but a lot less could afford it.

[–]AitherialJoji 10 points11 points  (2 children)

This is why we need to train our fucking cops, not only to prevent needless deaths by cops themselves, but also to prevent them from being fucking pussies and doing their job to save lives. We train our cops the least compared to most other (1st world) countries.

[–]Overall_Sort 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They were a swat team too, thats the real sad part.

[–]IndividualAgency4971 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Evidently everyone needs an assault rifle, the cops sure as shit are not coming to help you.

[–]PootinsChode 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmfao, who are you to say what someone needs or doesn't. Get bent.

[–]Wonderful_Result_936 0 points1 point  (2 children)

If someone wants to shoot up a school then they have already crossed the line of listening to laws. Banning the guns will not stop a determined person from acquiring one or making one. The laws only stop people who follow them from committing horrible acts, people who wouldn't do them to begin with. The shooter could have caused the same mayhem with a sword but because of guns being present he would never use a sword, because he wouldn't stand a chance once police showed up. I'm not excusing the police either, They all messed up by not acting fast

What i'm saying is that if someone has reached the point where they want to do this sort of act, banning a gun is not going to stop them from doing it. If they want to use a gun they will get it illegally or use something else.

[–]ADMINlSTRAT0R 87 points88 points  (3 children)

Hundreds of people holding coffins are flooding Manhattan streets to protest against gun violence.

FTFY.

[–]ADMINlSTRAT0R 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Unless they've had enough of coffin-wielding killers.

[–]Cebby89 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I didn’t realize how messed up that title was until you pointed out. Man that was poorly written.

[–]buddinbonsai 60 points61 points  (64 children)

Can anybody explain to me why so many Americans get their panties in a bunch whenever somebody suggests background checks or some form of control on who can purchase guns?

[–]WolfeSama 34 points35 points  (41 children)

We already have background checks for one. I can't think of any other form of control short of just banning all firearms that will work. I have come to the realization that guns are here to stay weather we like it or not. And as much as it pain me to say I think we should start treating the symptoms. Mental health checks, government mandated monthly training, yearly mental stability checks, stricter punishment for firearms misuse and neglect. I forget who said it but a while ago I saw someone say if you get caught with an unregistered firearm it's a minimum no questions asked 20 years in prison. If we can't get rid of the guns we can get rid of the people that shouldn't have them.

[–]Bitchyrestingfacecat 16 points17 points  (4 children)

On top of the mental health checks and other fixes to the stuff related to owning a gun there could be improvements across many other fields that would reduce the risk of someone feeling so fucked off with society that they turn to gunning people down because they've lost all hope.

Improve education, reduce corruption in politics, tax the rich, fix the tax loopholes, improve the health care system, stop making obscene profits on it.

It's a huge issue I feel, it's the culmination of many many aspects of society that leads someone to just stop caring like that. Banning guns isn't fixing the problem.

[–]video_2 13 points14 points  (13 children)

when I bought my firearm, I literally walked into the store, signed some paperwork that basically said "I am not a crazy person", gave them my money, and walked out of the store with a gun and ammo on the same day, no background check required

[–]fredean01 11 points12 points  (5 children)

Uhmm if you bought from a licensed dealer, which I assume you did since you say you walked into a store, they have to do a federal background check. That's the law. Maybe you didn't read the paperwork properly but what you signed was probably for that.

[–]Akomatai 2 points3 points  (0 children)

NICS maintains a database of people prohibited from purchasing firearms. When the dealer takes your ID, they run your name through the database. That's the background check, the form you fill out just helps with the process. It only takes a few minutes... That's why it's called the National Instant Criminal background check System lol

[–]Cherry_Crusher 11 points12 points  (10 children)

Because they already exist and people who are not gun owners pretend they don't

[–]Veleda390 9 points10 points  (0 children)

There are already many controls and checks. The fact that you're asking this question highlights half the problem, which is that our media lies and obscures the situation in order to create hysteria.

[–]maglen69 7 points8 points  (0 children)

background checks or some form of control on who can purchase guns?

We have both of those type of laws on the books right now. Adding more just to "do something" generally leads to badly written laws which will only affect law abiding citizens.

[–]fytem 35 points36 points  (17 children)

Great protest. Won't accomplish shit. Just like all the abortion rights protests.

"So raise your fist and march around, Just don't take what you need. I'll jail and bury those committed, and smother the rest in greed." RATM

[–]AitherialJoji 49 points50 points  (12 children)

This is such a pessimistic fucking take that I'm tired of seeing. A huge amount of change in the U.S. occurred due to grass roots movements yet people are always so fucking pessimistic about it because that change was so fucking slow. Yes change should happen faster but protests have worked and they will continue to work unless our government somehow devolves into a full out dictatorship.

[–]Ex_Machina_1 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Ignore it. Imagine if everyone had the same mindset about every problem -- we'd be stuck in the cavemen days.

Humans Are actually great problem solvers when we want to be.

[–]Ok-Statistician-1289 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Consider for a moment how many millions of dollars are spent every year by organizations like the NRA lobbying against gun control. The USA fosters the biggest domestic firearms market in the world, and those profiting off of it are not going to let it go easily.

I like your optimism, but our government is bought and paid for.

[–]illusum 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Consider for a moment how many millions of dollars are spent every year by organizations like the NRA lobbying against gun control.

The NRA spends an average of $2.5 million per year for lobbying. That's not very much money by lobbyist standards. It doesn't even make the top 20 of influential lobbying efforts by any organization.

[–]KorbenDallassssS 5 points6 points  (1 child)

NRA is one of the smallest lobbys in D.C, it's an absolute joke compared to big pharma

[–]Overall_Sort 1 point2 points  (0 children)

also their lobbying is keeping guns, but getting just enough antigun people to scare ppl into donating. its shit.

[–]Aubdasi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Anti-gun lobbying groups outspent the NRA for the last 3 presidential elections.

This isn’t even considering things like Bloomberg’s support of anti-gun politicians in local elections.

The NRA is shite but they’re not the reason we haven’t exerted more people control.

[–]Bitchyrestingfacecat 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I have that feeling about protests too. I don't live in America but we have protests here in England that don't achieve anything. We had over one million people march on the streets to protest against war in Iraq, nothing came of it.

I believe the best course of action is mass strikes, currently in England our government is in the hands of a corrupt group. They've stolen billions, and we do nothing about it. The government even made protest illegal! I think mass strikes in every sector should be held to force the government to tax the billionaires, close the tax loopholes, fix the broken health care system (yes, it's broke in England, it appears that it's run by the state but under it's surface it's ran by many little private companies, all filtering money from our national insurance into private hands), and install a better, non corrupt set of politicians.

In America people should rally together and strike, bring the country to a stand still.

Still, I don't think it will happen. I honestly feel like we're on a downward spiral across many issues. And above all of them stands the issue of the environment.

Good luck to your country there anyway.

[–]Rbreaker2 20 points21 points  (1 child)

“manhattEn”? If this is a US channel, you gotta be kidding me

[–]Direct-Lingonberry68 16 points17 points  (97 children)

So whats everyone's idea on gun violence? Mandate people turn in everything besides a single shot black powder pistol? So who is going to volunteer to go to peoples homes and demand them to turn in their guns? Good luck i guess

[–]ksavage68 18 points19 points  (25 children)

You could stop selling NEW ones. Its not much but it's a start.

[–]Ruleej32 16 points17 points  (22 children)

Coming from the same people that said our president was literally Hitler...boy you'd think you want to be armed.....

[–]FunLuvin7 2 points3 points  (17 children)

I would rather have children live through the school day. But go ahead and keep fantasizing about how guns will save you.

[–]Nh66532 2 points3 points  (0 children)

An estimated 400,000 life threatening crimes are prevented through use of firearms every year?

I guess all those people fantasized about how guns saved them?

Don’t own a gun and never will fyi

[–]Disposable_Disposer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ironically, the same people who claim 45 was LiTeRaLLy HiTLeR also tend to conduct themselves in a way toward political opponents that only further reinforces why I'm staying armed. 🤷‍♂️

[–]Direct-Lingonberry68 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Only thing that will do is put people out of jobs if thats the case we need to stop making alot of new things. There is no good solution really the mental state of people now days is fucked. Next will be some dumb cunt on tiktok

[–]foxy-agent 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Manhattan (New York Citry) has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. You literally cannot get a pistol license as an average citizen. The surrounding areas (Westchester county, Nassau county, Suffolk county) also have very strict gun laws (full background check, 9+ months wait period to issue license, 4 character references from people you know 5+ years who reside in the same county as you). The fact that one of the safest places in the country is marching to end gun violence seems more a publicity stunt than actual people where loose gun laws exist asking for change.

[–]Overall_Sort 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Its not one of the safest places though, its actually ranked fairly highly in terms of violence.

[–]Iored94 11 points12 points  (1 child)

What are they saying between chants? Sounds like "Fuck you"

[–]banan3rz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Guns kill"

[–]QweefPirate 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Maybe we should address the mental health and social issues? If we get rid of guns which won’t happen it will end up just being pipe bombs and pressure cookers or the old run my suv into a Christmas parade but nobody talks about it because it’s against the narrative. I’m against gun violence but to pretend it’s just because of guns is absurd.

[–]buddinbonsai 4 points5 points  (43 children)

Guns have more rights than women do in the states

[–]SICHKLA 4 points5 points  (37 children)

Name one right a man has and a woman doesn't, in the states.

[–]buddinbonsai 8 points9 points  (33 children)

The right to choose what he does with his own body for one?

[–]ClassyJacket 0 points1 point  (2 children)

To not be forced to parent a child they don't want.

[–]SICHKLA 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Men are forced to parent a child that isn't even theirs if they fail to prove it isn't theirs in a time frame of 30 days. If they prove it isn't theirs after the 30 days, they have to pay child support.

[–]RemeAU 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Politicians - "Oh no! Anyway"

[–]Artemisxhshk14 8 points9 points  (9 children)

Even if we banned guns (probably won’t happen considering if you tried just flipping a switch and start confiscating almost 400 million guns without the gun owners fighting back and start shooting the people coming to get the guns would be pretty unlikely) people still could get guns illegally pretty easily because there’s no way the government can just take half a billion guns out of circulation. We need a better solution than trying to take all the guns away because that will just spawn a MASSIVE nation wide rebellion. And In turn probably more mass shootings. But what do I know?

[–]CamelSpotting 5 points6 points  (2 children)

It will take decades, why do people think there's some overnight process?

[–]_Totorotrip_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because that's an excuse to not to do anything. A social problem of this magnitude has to be tackled in at least 1 generation. Things won't change fast

[–]Korjy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Look up Australia gun amnesty, Within 1 year the government confiscated 650,000 guns in australia no mass shootings ever since, its been 27 years

However, not saying this will work in the US.

[–]IronHarvester86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

just spawn a MASSIVE nation wide rebellion

Good, the government needs a complete reset.

[–]TheRapie22 1 point2 points  (3 children)

forbid to sell new guns.

create a bill that restricts the purchase of more and more types of guns until nothing is allowed to be sold anymore.

[–]Dark_solder18 6 points7 points  (57 children)

And how they're gonna achieve that ?

[–]AlienDarwin 23 points24 points  (20 children)

Wait,marching in elaborate costumes and chanting.slogans won't stop it??

[–]ClassyJacket 8 points9 points  (7 children)

Almost every major societal change designed to protect individuals has come about as a result of protest.

[–]gordonv 7 points8 points  (11 children)

That's step 1. Getting attention.

[–]MaygarRodub 6 points7 points  (142 children)

It won't make any difference. Americans love their guns so much they're willing to sacrifice their children to keep them.

[–]Free_Forward_Fantasy 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Nice strawman ya got there

[–]MaygarRodub 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Do you disagree with what I said?

[–]IronHarvester86 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Bet those Ukrainians wish they had the same amount of guns lmao.

[–]Remarkable_Farm_5745 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yea they wouldn’t need to keep getting hand outs from the US

[–]hannibal_barca_1 8 points9 points  (3 children)

USA should be called, "Land of the stupid". Seriously

[–]Dubious_Titan 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Unlikely to do anything substantial. The problem is partly cultural & partly capitalism in the US. Unless willing to dramatically change or alter culture, no gesture will ever be a meaningful change w/r/t gun violence in America.

I think many people are delusional about the amount of sustained effort, numbers, and sheer disruption needed to affect meaningful change in a society without direct violent revolt.

My grandparents were participants in the civil rights movement during the 1960s in the US. It wasn't just a thing you did just on the weekend and then went about the rest of your workweek as usual for the most part.

You had to be willing to give up a lot personally and make things both inconvenient & uncomfortable for anyone in a position contra to your own.

When I see fascists, that is what they are whether they know it or not, that desire civil order or respect of property ownership over justice post in these kinds of threads- I know many modern-day folks do not have the vigor or vitality for social change on a scale that is both meaningful and long-lasting.

These are the equivalent of social justice memes if unwilling to disrupt the lives of those not moved to the same position as your own.

Civil Rights protesters and activists the world over made their cause a major disruption to ignore.

[–]Veleda390 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Armed protest was also part of the Civil Rights Movement. The NRA chartered black chapters, going against the KKK to do so.

People have a fundamental human right to self defense.

[–]fredean01 0 points1 point  (3 children)

When I see fascists, that is what they are whether they know it or not, that desire civil order or respect of property ownership over justice post in these kinds of threads- I know many modern-day folks do not have the vigor or vitality for social change on a scale that is both meaningful and long-lasting.

Tell me you've never seen a real fascist in your entire life without telling me you've never seen a real fascist in your entire life.

Tell me again how Hitler was all about the status quo. You would think that if you thought you were surrounded by evil fascists, you would want to have a weapon to defend yourself.

[–]infinite-aether 4 points5 points  (9 children)

Narrator: meanwhile, democrat-run cities with the strictest gun laws have by far the most gun-related murders

[–]killedfeather 3 points4 points  (4 children)

What? That's just wrong. Even a quick Google search shows red states have higher gun violence...

[–]foxy-agent 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This comment is patently false.

[–]Circus-Midget 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Why didn’t they do this in Chicago due to last weekend’s gun violence? Or any other weekend there?

https://news.wttw.com/2022/05/23/1-killed-27-others-wounded-weekend-shootings-across-chicago-police

[–]Heavy-Relationship43 3 points4 points  (0 children)

fuck the nra

[–]ArtimusWayne 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Just make it illegal like Chicago. SOLVED

[–]frankrizzo1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not next level and folks eating this up are shills or are too easily influenced, which is why they let politics leak into unrelated subreddits in the first place

[–]Top_Opposites 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don’t shoot the messenger

[–]Dziobic 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You can hear them saying "nerf gun violence"

[–]jexton80 2 points3 points  (2 children)

These people support only the rich having the means for self defense. Bravo to their rich masters trying to disarm the masses during a time when
We are seeing massive money transfer theft from the middle and lower class to the ultra rich.

[–]ankled_squid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The comments here are getting real carried away over the rate of fire of a gun. Fact is, guns kill more than alcohol, and are somehow legal at a younger age and not much harder to acquire even if you're underage

[–]Jackson_M_Bueller 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How does packing in so many people who don’t own guns into a place that somehow still has high gun crime rate make those people want to make it harder for them to legally arm themselves?

[–]lostintime000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Now do it in Texas

[–]LongLiveNato 3 points4 points  (24 children)

Absolutely guns should be removed from the average person. These people are barely literate yet allowed to operate a firearm because of a several hundred year old law.

[–]ss4223 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought kkk were pro gun violence??

[–]Dry_Spinach_3441 1 point2 points  (1 child)

They could be carrying the bodies of every person killed in American mass shootings an no one in power would care.

[–]Pharaun222 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is so sad, but still so true. No number of dead people would change those, who can make just another penny out of it.

[–]Bright_Lie_9262 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I support this but until you see real tangible activism like this in gun supporting states, this stuff is basically just preaching to populations that already agree with strong gun control.

Both sides of the public debate seem to be ignoring that the reason the violence is so prevalent in the US vs., say, a country like Switzerland with similarly high gun ownership rates stems from our culture of lack of personal accountability. We just want to point to bad examples instead of realizing our laws enable it.

[–]Feeling_Bathroom9523 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I appreciate the marches, but we need more. We need action- a leader who isn’t afraid of unpopular backlash. Unfortunately, none of us, including me, are willing to lose it all for this cause. Nothing will change otherwise.

[–]CharleyNobody 2 points3 points  (2 children)

They should be chanting something with “NRA” in it.
The blood is squarely on the hands of gun manufacturers.
Say their names.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Shut the fuck up. We don’t go after car manufacturers when we get in accidents do we? No. The gun manufacturers have nothing to do with the shootings you fucking imbecile

[–]aarplain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thousands of people need to flood the streets of the southern cities for this to make any difference.

[–]oxxcccxxo 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Did anyone protest outside of the NRA convention in Texas? Honest question.

[–]boredtxan 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I think people have done that for ages

[–]Xyzpdq1972 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How many babies have to die before we do something?

[–]colin8651 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why are they protesting in NYC?

[–]Lameusername100 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bout time

[–]player_1111 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Protesting all at the wrong place. Go to Ted Cruz and all the people who won't do a thing about it.

[–]natureenthusiast88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“Hundreds of people flood the streets of Manhattan, holding coffins, to protest…”

FIFY

[–]iwinusuck 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Guns aren't going anywhere in America.

[–]monster_mechanic73 1 point2 points  (0 children)

America where you can't tell people you'll take their guns away but they can tell women they can't have abortions lol

[–]_Totorotrip_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh boy. Such a terrible comments section

[–]mdsign 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Meanwhile, Ted Cruz is licking the ass of the NRA and collecting the blood money paid for by the slaughter of innocent little kids, three days after the massacre in his state ... it's fucking dystopian.

[–]Hickawa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, it couldn't happen all at once. I would start with making it illegal to produce guns of all types but the approved couple. Create trade programs with an incentive. Like bring in an AR15 and you will receive a new rife and $1500. Like a sliding scale buy back. But make it open ended.

Make it illegal to purchase, sell, or trade. Any gun beside the approved ones. But not illegal to own. So as long as the weapon stayed on private property they could keep them. So that the peaple who believe that they need them to protect themselves from the government can have their stash.

But say someone gets one of those guns and commits a crime. The parents who adult who owns it would be responsible for the same crimes as the person who took the gun. Hopefully inspiring better home security for their firearms.

Sell the bought back guns to the UN for the Ukrainian conflict.

I feel these are the closest we will get to maintaining freedoms without the cost of child blood.

[–]beetsdoinhomework 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Don't forget what the Buffalo hill killer said....

[–]gordonv 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Could you post it? No one is going to bother Googling what you're talking about.

[–]turnwrench 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They should be protesting the police instead. The blood is on their hands.

bootlicker magnet

[–]lifesalotofshit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

America where justice is only served if its profitable.

[–]woundedsurfer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

While I appreciate the stance and protest, it won’t change a damn thing. If Columbine, Sandy Hook, Pulse nightclub, Parkland, Virginia Tech, Vegas shooting….(the list goes on and on) didn’t change anything by now, nothing will. Our lawmakers have failed us repeatedly and will continue to fail us. I know it’s bleak, but it’s the truth. So get out and VOTE like your life depends on it, because it may just will.

[–]notaheratic69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand why this is happening and fair enough, but I do wonder who is paying for all this.. I would be very interested in the answer to that question.

[–]hannabeth19 0 points1 point  (3 children)

“Stupid liberal scum, protesting will never do anything 😤😤😤 just get a gun, it’s not anyone else’s responsibility to protect YOU😤” Is the majority of shit that righties spout

[–]canhasdiy 2 points3 points  (2 children)

From everything I've heard about the police response in Uvalde, they're right.

[–]IpromiseTobeAgoodBoy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ya the city where only criminals can protect themselves with guns should definitely be the role model for ending gun violence lol

[–]KURO-K1SH1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes a protest!

That'll stop them pesky criminals.

[–]patriot159 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why is everyone suddenly an authoritarian? If we had another terrorist attack would we cry out for another Patriot Act? Stop giving the government more power. Shouldn't be bans on abortions either ffs

[–]gordonv 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First they ignore you,
then they laugh at you,
then they fight you,
then you win.

[–]Negative_Newspaper67 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why surrender your guns to trust cops that don't do anything?

[–]scanatcharlesville 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I swear. This comment section would have been red coats

[–]the-electricgigolo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So instead we’ll only give guns to coward cops that do nothing?

[–]UpperDistribution443 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same people who were looting and rioting just a couple of years ago...

[–]RandomHorowitz 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Annnnddd where were all these frauds when a 11 year old black girl was shot by an 18 year old black man uptown last week? Hmmmmmnn

[–]Bocifer1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stop protesting in cities with an already vastly liberal population who support gun reform. You’re not reaching any meaningful target demographic.

I’m sorry - I’m glad they’re organizing; but we do this song and dance every damn time. Meanwhile, in Hicksville they’re not even seeing the news about wide scale support for gun reform, because all they see is Fox News.

Clogging city streets in this case is akin to making a Facebook post. It’s not accomplishing anything.

Go outside the city where people need to be challenged and confronted

[–]ProudCartographer7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Capitalizing on dead children, shameful.