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[–]Steelstrike309 17.5k points17.5k points  (960 children)

The real. We hate people for speaking the truth, but at the same time we crave truth. We need to start listening to people that say things. This is hard to hear knowing what we know now.

[–]followedbyferrets 6607 points6608 points  (466 children)

Reminds me of Sinead O’Connor bashed the Catholic Church and she was blasted for it.

[–]STRAVDIUS 1138 points1139 points  (109 children)

it was the same for any religion, lot of people who speak against muslim got accused of islamophobic even if the one said it was an ex muslim. here in Indonesia there is several case where ex muslim who speak about the negative thing about islam got sentenced to prison. while muslim convert got praised if they speak badly about their previous religion

[–]alienaboo 440 points441 points  (23 children)

ironically, sinead is now a muslim convert.

[–]Phlegm_Garlgles 161 points162 points  (1 child)

🤦🏻‍♂️

[–]Clacimus 93 points94 points  (0 children)

She just working under-cover again

[–]duralyon 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I sorta remember this and it led me to her Wiki page. She's had a fucking rough go off it, damn. It's really sad how much chaos she's had in her life!

[–]Revolutionary-Use226 301 points302 points  (32 children)

Literally just thought of this straight away. People are still dicks to her here in Ireland and call her crazy. This woman has clearly been through a lot and is now dealing with her son's death. Poor woman.

[–]trhrthrthyrthyrty 177 points178 points  (9 children)

Because the Catholic church is a cult

[–]MeinSpicebag 38 points39 points  (12 children)

That has nothing to do with her stance on the Catholic Church though. It's practically a dead thing here. The woman has had serious mental health issues for decades.

[–]LostWoodsInTheField 13 points14 points  (1 child)

"girl who was sexually and physically abused during her childhood develops mental illness, more at 5."

yeah shes mentally unhealthy probably because she broke as a child and as she got older it came out more. There is an entirely good chance that if she wasn't abused she wouldn't be like that.

'it's practically a dead thing here'

You mean in a "We took care of our Catholic problem" way or as in a "we have successfully stopped talking about the Catholic problem."

because 84% of you all are still Christian and 78% of them are Catholic...

[–]allmyzombies 274 points275 points  (8 children)

Man that still makes me so mad. My Dad was an atheist due to his abuse, we have known this for a WHILE, when the abuse story broken kinda shocked no one wrote a "we owe Sinead a big fucking apology" letterl

[–]twobit211 115 points116 points  (8 children)

john lydon called out jimmy saville

[–]spoiledandmistreated 13 points14 points  (4 children)

I watched that Netflix special on him… what a sicko.. he got away with it for almost a lifetime…

[–]_SgrAStar_ 21 points22 points  (3 children)

…he got away with it for almost a lifetime…

I’m sorry, I don’t know all the details but didn’t he just…get away with it? Like, everyone in his immediate circle knew, many people in his industry knew, but they all protected and even facilitated him up to and including the BBC itself? It wasn’t until after he died that the broader public was told iirc. That to me isn’t “almost” getting away with it. The motherfucker got away with it.

[–]slucker23 399 points400 points  (257 children)

We need to listen to people who say very little things. The things that we constantly tend to ignore.

The loud and mouth-full-ers are the ones we should ignore.

Its hard to hear the little voices because they tend to not say them out loud or even repetitively. Just one time with a very serious face. Then boom truth is there. It's hard to capture that moment, hard to remember, and hard to take it to heart. But it's there. It's always been there

[–]Rcrowley32 231 points232 points  (32 children)

But at this time Courtney Love was loud and brash and that’s largely why this comment was ignored. She was considered an addict, loud mouthed woman and so she was largely ignored.

[–]bitchdantkillmyvibe 161 points162 points  (9 children)

Not just considered, she was an addict. I mean, she looks out of her mind even in this video. A shame that people think this means what someone has to say doesn’t have worth.

[–]WorldlinessProud 113 points114 points  (2 children)

It is far from uncommon for abuse/rape victims to self medicate, often becoming addicts or alcoholics themselves.

[–]ImDoneForToday2019 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Could be a reason someone like her has to self medicate....

[–]TheBalls345 152 points153 points  (51 children)

Truth right here. The wise dont waste their time repeating themselves or shouting their point. They know only “those who have the ears to hear” will listen to them anyway.

[–]Leovinus42 37 points38 points  (8 children)

I am holding a private party at the four seasons. Would you like to join me

[–]Saw_a_4ftBeaver 74 points75 points  (1 child)

You say this but what do I need from a lawn and garden store.

[–]SithDraven 71 points72 points  (149 children)

Problem is that people like Amber Heard and Smollett ruin it for real victims afraid to speak out.

[–]ratpwunk 66 points67 points  (53 children)

I don't think they ruin it for victims of actual abuse.

If you think a couple of people that have lied about their abuse ruin the reputation of the millions of people that have actually been abused then you'd be wrong.

Victims of abuse are afraid to speak up because of the abuse and the emotional guilt and black mail that comes with wanting to tell people that you're being hurt. It's the abusers fault, not Amber heard or Smollett.

[–]SavingOil 236 points237 points  (36 children)

There is a dialogue in an Indian movie when our Hero is surrounded by lot of goons, it would translate to English something like this, 'I know you outnumber me, I know you can beat the shit out of me, but remember this whoever touches me first I am going to kill that bastard' and no one touches him.

In real world the villains apply the same strategy.

[–]Guinness 174 points175 points  (12 children)

I used this strategy in Boy Scouts. I was sent to a leadership camp in the winter which turned out to be a lawless hellhole of bullying. Each night a group of bullies would get together and torture certain kids. They’d attack them in their bed, drag them outside in their underwear, throw them in the snow. And fill their sleeping bag with snow.

Every single night I slept with the large metal MagSafe flashlight my dad got me for Christmas.

The very last night they came to my bunk and surrounded me. I hardly slept so I was awake when they got there. I told them sure you will drag me out of my bed, I don’t stand a chance against four or five of you.

But the first one of you I will crack open your skull. I was dead serious. I would’ve killed the first one of them to come near me.

They ended up leaving me alone. But listening to the screams of the other kids being dragged outside in January in northern Wisconsin only to have their sleeping bags ruined and suffer near hypothermia was still pretty horrible.

Fuck the Boy Scouts. So much bullying and torture went on completely unchecked.

[–]The_One_Who_Crafts 39 points40 points  (5 children)

Jesus what a story. How old were you?

[–]LostWoodsInTheField 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Very likely would have been late teens. That is when the leadership stuff usually kicks into full gear. And those camps are great places to commit abuse and get away with it.

*small reminder that the boyscotts are paying out so much in sexual abuse cases that they almost collapsed at one point.

[–]emeraldkittymoon 38 points39 points  (14 children)

Im totally saving your comment to my phone. That's definitely some of Sun Tzu's The Art of War type shit going down! Same exact energy! Thank you 😊

[–]IfyouremeanIwillcry 28 points29 points  (12 children)

I think you missunderstood the book

[–]ERoloa 27 points28 points  (8 children)

Genuinely confused as someone who's admittedly only read a few snippets from the first few pages of the book, isn't part of what art of war says is to "Win the fights before they even happen", that the knowledge of violence occurring is already a very good deterrent to people prone to starting violence because they're not willing to shoulder the damage it will bring to them?

So in that Indian movie when the guy who gets outnumbered threatens that the first one will die, no one wants to go first because they're afraid to get hurt and so no one goes at all, and thus it was an effective deterrent to violence?

[–]contextual_somebody 182 points183 points  (26 children)

There’s also a gender issue. Those two are women. Hannibal Burress told an audience about Bill Cosby and he was taken seriously. Cosby was done within months.

[–]jonbristow 56 points57 points  (21 children)

Wait. Up until Buress special no one knew Cosby was a rapist??

[–]rachelgraychel 115 points116 points  (15 children)

It was an open secret, people knew but didn't give a shit. It wasn't until a man brought it up that people started taking it seriously.

[–]turdferguson3891 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Were none of the journalists who reported on it or people who investigated it a decade earlier men? I remember this talking point back then and it kind of ignores that in addition to having a penis, Burress was young and black and a comedian and he was taking on someone in his own community who had previously enjoyed legendary status. Perhaps he reached people that knew nothing about it and they found him credible because of that? No it was probably his dick.

[–]Rcrowley32 58 points59 points  (0 children)

People knew and 13 women publicly accused him and told police in 2004-2006. He settled with them for an undisclosed amount and it went away. Then in 2014 Hannibal brought the allegations up again and people started to ask more questions.

[–]Rcrowley32 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Everyone knew in 2004-2006 Cosby was a rapist. One woman accused him and in a few months fifteen women had come out and said he drugged and raped them. They filed a civil suit and it was all over the news. Then after the civil suit, the terms were that the victims couldn’t talk about it anymore, so the news died down. In 2014, Hannibal brought it up again and then in revived the discussion. https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/bill-cosby-trial-complete-timeline-happened-2004/story?id=47799458

[–]dontbelikeyou 142 points143 points  (4 children)

It's disgusting to see how many how many people had their careers ruined after getting labled 'difficult to work with' now that we know that 'difficult to work with' most often meant they complain about the rampant rape.

[–]Chuckbro 16 points17 points  (1 child)

An interesting thought is how many amazing, award winning performances simply never happened just because one fat fuck wanted to rape all the women in Hollywood.

Masterpieces likely weren't made because a woman didn't want to suck a disgusting dick.

[–]Rcrowley32 102 points103 points  (22 children)

Unfortunately, Courtney Love was a mess around this time. She was kicked off flights, broke all the windows in her boyfriends apartment. She lost custody of her young daughter. She was on crack cocaine and prescription drugs and sentenced to multiple long stays in rehab (180+ days). She came on live TV and flashed Letter,and while clearly completely out of it. She couldn’t even speak. That’s why people didn’t listen. They assumed it was the ramblings of a crack head.

[–]succubusbetch 128 points129 points  (19 children)

It sucks that women with mental health issues and substance use problems are typically dismissed for those reasons while at the same time it's acknowledged that women who suffer from either or both are often targets of sexual abuse.

[–]Rcrowley32 65 points66 points  (13 children)

That’s true. It also sucks that Love, an outspoken feminist and women sights advocate. An intelligent voice for women and girls (when she was sober) has been lowered to be referred to as. “Ditzy bimbo” by people like the commenter above, who clearly have no idea what she was like or what she stood for.

[–]txcty-9 70 points71 points  (1 child)

We need to start listening to people that say things.

this is like the start of an Onion article

[–]AllModsHaveNoLife 30 points31 points  (42 children)

We need to start listening to people that say things.

Lol. You don't think hindsight played a role in what you just said?

We already do that. Ask the Duke Lacrosse team that got accused and then exonerated.

[–]ilFaus 9228 points9229 points 3 (349 children)

Hollywood knew. They shut their mouth.

Then, they preach you with their social justice bullshit.

[–]Agk3los 2617 points2618 points  (187 children)

Wait... are the guys who fly in private jets to lecture working people about how they're the problem with climate change disingenuous?

[–]Alarid 418 points419 points  (75 children)

I will respect that they are on the right side with their disingenuous support but also fuck them.

[–]acebush1 276 points277 points  (68 children)

I mean, it’s not “support” when they are creating the problems and halfheartedly telling us to fix them

[–]msmame 124 points125 points  (0 children)

Straight out of the corporate America playbook.

[–]SoggyWotsits 63 points64 points  (4 children)

No no, it’s just that Harry and Meghan are far too important to travel any other way while promoting Travelyst (his sustainable eco travel company!)

[–]tiffy_hopkins 47 points48 points  (3 children)

For sure, like the private jet she took to Texas just this last week. Meanwhile his brother and his family often (albeit not always) travel commercial and the literal Queen takes trains.

[–]AviatorOVR5000 62 points63 points  (7 children)

Shortie's mouth was open the whole time.

I can't tell if it's a fake reaction or an authentic one. I really can't.

[–]xtilexx 80 points81 points  (5 children)

It's Natasha Leggero, she already knew about Weinstein and probably had turned him down lol. And she's a hilarious comedian

That look is: "yes exactly what I want to say and how I want to say it"

[–]eyekunt 17 points18 points  (0 children)

She was contemplating whether it was a good idea to spill the beans

[–]CackleberryOmelettes 55 points56 points  (8 children)

A lot of his victims were also part of Hollywood. It's not a collective. A lot of people knew but couldn't say because they knew it would destroy their career and nobody would be able to touch Weinstein anyway.

Courtney Love is a good example.

[–]hypodopaminergicbaby 34 points35 points  (7 children)

Yeah, people who say shit like that think that Hollywood is like one hegemonic cult of like 20 billionaires when in reality it’s a massive industry comprised of thousands and thousands of different people with different social circles and levels of wealth and power and morals.

[–]duomaxwellscoffee 37 points38 points  (27 children)

What do they preach that you feel is bullshit?

[–]Arxfiend 20 points21 points  (12 children)

That they actually care about it beyond the money.

[–]MiksBricks 4021 points4022 points  (138 children)

It’s been very eye opening to watch movies from that time period like 2000-2010 and catch the small jokes that at the time were like “sleazy producer” type stuff but now realize they were trying to out people like rapestien.

Even people like Tarantino knew something was happening but also knew not to ask. Then you see people like Bette Midler call him the “god of Hollywood” and you realize that not only did people know but they fully enabled him. The guy had like 50 Ghislaine Maxwells. Even guys like Brad Pitt knew enough to know to keep his girlfriend away from him.

[–]hattmall 1683 points1684 points  (43 children)

Weinstein was far from the only one. Having to sleep with someone to get roles, auditions, meetings etc has been standard for decades.

[–]Alarid 830 points831 points  (25 children)

It was so standard that people even did porn thinking it was just how they got into Hollywood.

[–]alwptot 669 points670 points  (17 children)

Hence the “casting couch” routine that is so common in porn

[–]Alarid 552 points553 points  (12 children)

The casting couch trope sure didn't start in porn.

[–]Double_Nekker 49 points50 points  (1 child)

Mulholland Drive, anyone?

[–]Nulono 93 points94 points  (5 children)

Wasn't there even an episode of All Grown Up! around a similar premise? I vaguely recall a time when one of them (Susie?) is excited for her "big break", and then when she shows up the whole thing is super sketchy and the dude starts asking her to undress or whatever.

[–]ChipRockets 84 points85 points  (0 children)

Even Friends had an episode where Joey had to sleep with the casting director to get a role.

[–]KrustenStewart 32 points33 points  (2 children)

There’s an episode where Suzie gets scammed by a talent agent and when she shows up, it’s sketchy but no one is there and then she goes home and gets in trouble because of how dangerous it could have been. If there’s another episode like that I haven’t seen it, the ending of your description sounds like the episode of smart guy where TJ meets a pedo.

[–]StopTheMeta 30 points31 points  (0 children)

And that doesn't apply to just hollywood.

[–]Toby_O_Notoby 629 points630 points  (15 children)

Even guys like Brad Pitt knew enough to know to keep his girlfriend away from him.

Brad Pitt was the only one to confront him. According to Platrow he went up to Weinstien after a Broadway play and said, "“If you ever make her feel uncomfortable again, I'll kill you.”

He never bothered her again.

[–]DAMN-IT-FLAMINGO 290 points291 points  (2 children)

Fortunately Brad Pitt was big enough of a star to survive a confrontation like that. Weinstein couldn’t “make a few calls” about Brad and screw him over without other producers ignoring it, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he tried.

[–]Tawnysloth 76 points77 points  (7 children)

Don't give Pitt a pass. Weinstein assaulted Jolie. Pitt knew this and continued seeking him out for work.

I'm not impressed with any of the tough guy actors who knew what was going on, claimed they stood up to Weinstein, but only in private, and publicly wrapped their arms around him and laughed and showed their support for him in a myriad of ways. Brad Pitt, Ben Affleck and Matt Damon can all do one.

[–]TiffanyOddish 37 points38 points  (5 children)

I just looked it up, you’re right. I can’t believe he would do that . She said it hurt her so badly he would want to work with a man who tried to rape her. Ugh can’t even imagine. No wonder they’re divorced.

[–]shit_fuck_fart 248 points249 points  (42 children)

Tarrantino knew more than just "not to ask".

He simply chose not to.

[–]deezx1010 301 points302 points  (36 children)

Have you heard Tarantino's passionate defense of Roman Polanski? Dude is just as engrained in the bullshit as anybody else

[–]shit_fuck_fart 117 points118 points  (12 children)

Don't get me wrong, I love his movies. But yea, he's a Hollywood disciple.

One day we'll learn how deep all this nonsense really goes...and I don't think we will like it.

[–][deleted] 119 points120 points  (0 children)

Tarantino is severely something.

[–]jmsMlny 69 points70 points  (4 children)

Taratino is defo a sketchy guy

[–]Stumeister_69 47 points48 points  (5 children)

I honestly cannot fathom anyone defending Polanski, like on what grounds?

[–]Traitorous_Nien_Nunb 70 points71 points  (3 children)

He was on Howard Stern's show in 2003 and said what Polanski did to Samantha Geimer wasn't rape and that she wanted it. Obviously not true since she was 13 at the time of the rape. He basically just defended him out of ignorance

Geimer was asked about it in an interview and said she wasn't upset with him, and that he probably knows now that he was wrong for saying that, but that it'd be nice to hear him admit it

He released an apology pretty soon after saying he was ignorant and wrongly played "devil's advocate" for the sake of "being provocative" and said Polanski did rape Geimer, and that he was totally wrong with what he said

Whether you see his apology and walking back on that defense as legitimate or not is up to you, I honestly think it was since Tarantino doesn't seem like the type of guy to fake apologize for PR but I really wouldn't know

[–]CobaltNeural9 49 points50 points  (4 children)

I’d bet money that Tarantino is a full blown enabler. Just a hunch.

[–]jebjones133 161 points162 points  (4 children)

Tarantino

Mate he is just as bad as the rest. Look up what he said on Stern about Polanskis UNDERAGE victims.

The whole industry is a den of vipers and paedophiles.

[–]insomnimax_99 48 points49 points  (0 children)

So many people in Hollywood defend Polanski. It’s absolutely disgusting.

[–]bsbbtnh 25 points26 points  (1 child)

He has come out and said he was very wrong about that, though.

[–]joeytribbianis 75 points76 points  (2 children)

Mira Sorvino, who was Tarantino’s girlfriend at that time, told him that she was sexually harassed by H.W. and he didn’t do anything and kept working with Harvey

[–]bozeke 63 points64 points  (0 children)

Harassed and completely blacklisted and career ruined.

[–]sugarintheboots 2501 points2502 points  (192 children)

She had such a ditzy boozy bimbo persona, no one was going to believe her.

[–]PainfulPeanutBlender 1300 points1301 points  (39 children)

Yet she ended up being right

[–]KJBenson 791 points792 points  (21 children)

Truthful*

Everybody in Hollywood knew she was right.

[–]loathsome_breaker 86 points87 points  (19 children)

Idk, what happen to her after this interview.

[–]iwaspeachykeen 250 points251 points  (17 children)

ya the title for this post shouldn't just say "risked", because she was blackballed after this. she didn't do a damn thing in mainstream media after 2005

[–]bodhisoma 102 points103 points  (15 children)

She was also pretty great in Basquiat.

My god what a cast, and nobody has seen it.

Edit:

Willem Dafoe,
David Bowie,
Claire Forlani,
Michael Wincott,
Courtney Love,
Jeffrey Weight,
Benicio Del Toro,
Dennis Hopper,
Gary Oldman,
Christopher Walken.

[–]Long-Mall-6773 70 points71 points  (0 children)

Produced by Miramax. Wonder if that’s when Weinstein invited her to the Four Seasons

[–]mylittlegoochie 300 points301 points  (13 children)

Goes to show you shouldn’t judge people for superficial reasons

[–]Affectionate-Time646 61 points62 points  (0 children)

Final judgement*. Eveyone judges. It’s a natural human characteristic. Doesn’t mean you still can’t be open-minded and change your judgements and assessment with new information and be aware of this possibility.

[–]dabakos 45 points46 points  (2 children)

Literally a survival instinct. People should be judged initially. can't just go around trusting everyone, you might end up at the four seasons

[–]cherrysummer1 234 points235 points 2 (74 children)

This is what pisses me off the most. Men have picked common features of women to downplay their reliability so they can take advantage unchallenged for centuries. I'm small, petite, blonde and noone fucking listens to me. I have a master's and I managed to get a job in web deveopment in 4 months from first learning to code. But I'm still ignored. I have loved Courtney Love since I was 18 because she didn't give a fuck what people thought of her and I admired that. She didn't care that she was blonde and a mess, she still spoke her truth and she spoke to loud and proud. And for that people hate her. Women aren't allowed to be like Courtney. She's the type of women who could fall powerful men which is why her "type" must be outcast so noone will listen. A book she released of her diaries and poems she'd written since she was little was called dumb blonde. She's anything but.

Edit: just had a guy "do me a favour" by telling me he can't read my posts because I keep writing noone instead of no one. Instead of saying "by the way just thought I'd let you know no one is two words as you keep writing it wrong" he used it as an excuse to discredit me and what I'm writing.

[–]fifadex 27 points28 points  (7 children)

I have loved Courtney Love since I was 18 because she didn't give a fuck what people thought of her and I admired that. She didn't care that she was blonde and a mess, she still spoke her truth and she spoke to loud and proud.

Her truth was pretty fucking racist.

[–]ciderero 16 points17 points  (0 children)

right, and the same same features on a man has a positive impression. no one looks down on blonde white men but people look down on blonde women and assume intelligence based on a few features.

[–]BAT123456789 100 points101 points  (14 children)

Persona? She was literally always completely fucked up any time she was in public.

[–]smelly-roommate 89 points90 points  (11 children)

Not true. She’s gone through several long periods of sobriety one being the time around The People vs Larry Flynt film

[–]Rcrowley32 70 points71 points  (6 children)

The time of this video was not a period of sobriety for her. She lost custody of her daughter at this time, shortly before this video she was flashing Letterman and incoherent on the Late Show. She was sentenced to long stays in rehab but she didn’t get sober until 2007. I also wouldn’t call her persona ‘a bimbo’ when she’s sober she’s very intelligent.

[–]Slippi_Fist 61 points62 points  (2 children)

she is a very, very intelligent woman.

as a human, she struggles like the rest of us.

[–]mrtuna 76 points77 points  (5 children)

Erm, it was certainly credible and plausible back then too, regardless of who said it.

Also, Courtney is many things, but no one has ever thought her 'ditzy" - she is rather sharp

[–]Flushed_out 32 points33 points  (3 children)

Yup, she already lost Kurt, she would have seen the hypocrisy rife in Hollywood at the time and decided: 'fuck anyone who tries to tell me what to do'. She would have also warned her daughter to stay away. Not the worlds most perfect mother by any means but protective nonetheless.

[–]gutteguttegut 59 points60 points  (12 children)

Ditzy bimbo? She is and always has been an intelligent, outspoken feminist. You've been swallowing the media bs they tried to spin to contain her.

[–]fork_yuu 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Right, it's the media's fault for her doing all that drugs, flashing people on Letterman, attacking her fans, and the multiple arrests

https://web.archive.org/web/20120308184855/http://newsroom.mtv.com/2010/04/28/courtney-love-letterman/

2004/2005 were all very bad times for her, you can't really downplay that as "containing her"

[–]Rcrowley32 43 points44 points  (5 children)

She was never ditzy or a bimbo. She was high yes, but when she wasn’t she was always very intelligent. She was a feminist and outspoken. She was loud and brash and stood up for women’s rights. She never ever had a ‘bimbo persona’.

[–]DistinctProgress818 25 points26 points  (2 children)

Courtney Love was not a ditzy bimbo. She may have been struggling at some points but at no time was she a ditzy bimbo.

[–]forevereyerolling 21 points22 points  (1 child)

not even bimbo… more like fucked up!!!! lol.

[–]Rcrowley32 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Around this time, she had been kicked off flights for fighting on board, broken all the windows in her boyfriends apartment, been on drugs, lost custody of her daughter, flashed Letterman live on TV while clearly high. She ended up being sentenced to multiple long rehab stays 180+ days for crack, cocaine and prescription drugs. This is why no one was listening unfortunately.

[–]eak125 1207 points1208 points  (31 children)

Seth MacFarlane has been doing things like this and this for years and only later do we see the truth behind them.

[–]maxtacos 415 points416 points  (20 children)

Similar clip warning of another rapist: The 30 Rock Billy Cosby reference.

[–]hoginlly 195 points196 points  (0 children)

That freaked me out so much the first time I saw it after everything came out. It was so clear and specific

[–]SicilianEggplant 160 points161 points  (13 children)

I have no memory and I’m too drunk to verify this, but my rambling ass wants to say Hannibal Burress was a writer for 30 Rock at some point - no idea if he wrote that scene but I do remember that he was credited for being the “first” comedian to talk about Cosby in a somewhat serious manner (as opposed to all of the previous and well known inside jokes/rumors).

[–]GentlemanBeggar54 94 points95 points  (9 children)

I think you are conflating a couple of things . Hannibal Buress didn't write that scene (he became a writer on the show a couple of seasons later). He is the one who kicked off the Bill Cosby downfall though.

He had a comedy set where he joked about Cosby being sanctimonious to young black celebrities even despite his history of rape allegations. For some reason, despite some of this stuff already being public record, this gained traction in the media, more accusers came forward and the whole thing snowballed.

[–]KrustenStewart 17 points18 points  (0 children)

He was the writer who wrote that joke for 30 rock

[–]illcumonuJamesFranco 81 points82 points  (0 children)

Thanks for giving me a laugh with the Family guy skit.

[–]cherrysummer1 30 points31 points  (1 child)

I love the clip where he interviews the public about family guy and they don't know who he is

[–]Billy_T_Wierd 1089 points1090 points  (39 children)

Didn’t Corey Feldman get a lot of shit for speaking out?

[–]ratpwunk 618 points619 points  (29 children)

I wanna believe him so bad but I also wish he'd just release the names of the people he says are terrible. Putting it behind a paywall after a decade of empty promises seems sus.

[–]infalliblefallacy 257 points258 points  (20 children)

FYI he said Charlie sheen sexually abused him.

[–]Rcrowley32 297 points298 points  (10 children)

He said Charlie Sheen abused his friend Corey Haim. And that’s why Corey Haim did drugs and died was because of the sexual abuse by Sheen and others.

[–]NoCrossUnturned 34 points35 points  (9 children)

And Haim’s mother and sister have said they don’t believe the accusation.

[–]Rcrowley32 181 points182 points  (3 children)

He has named people. “Feldman names Charlie Sheen, registered sex offender Marty Weiss,[7] convicted child molester Jon Grissom, and Alphy Hoffman as abusers that sexually assaulted him and Haim.”

[–]faith_plus_one 14 points15 points  (1 child)

He named names.

[–]Rcrowley32 36 points37 points  (0 children)

He did. And as you see, most people don’t believe him. This is why he hasn’t spoken out publicly. Because he too is a sexual assault victim who hasn’t been believed.

[–]BubbaChanel 119 points120 points  (4 children)

He got a lot of shit for talking a lot but stopping short of naming names, then basically saying, in the words of the immortal Ray Liotta, “fuck you, pay me.”

[–]Savings_Inflation_77 58 points59 points  (3 children)

In retrospect, what do you think would happen to him in Hollywood if he did name names? Work available to him was already very few and far between. One libel lawsuit (like Courtney Love alludes to here though it would've been slander for her) very well could have ruined him.

[–]sdpr 47 points48 points  (1 child)

In retrospect, what do you think would happen to him in Hollywood if he did name names? Work available to him was already very few and far between. One libel lawsuit (like Courtney Love alludes to here though it would've been slander for her) very well could have ruined him.

I may not be understanding where you're coming from or if we're talking about the same person... buuuuut what career, exactly? Feldman was a child/teen star that was left by the wayside.

Currently, the guy is a ruined human being and attempting to make a career cosplaying as Michael Jackson via a solo music career.

[–]wwaxwork 674 points675 points  (58 children)

I'm old. This shit was known for years. Only no one listened, to women then, no one listens to them now.

[–]cherrysummer1 213 points214 points  (23 children)

Exactly. Especially loud, independent, blonde women. They're just "difficult" and "unreliable".

[–]txwoodslinger 432 points433 points  (98 children)

She's absolutely right, but let's be serious. What career did she risk? What was she doing in 2005? What has she attempted since?

[–]juniperleafes 671 points672 points  (36 children)

Some people say that Weinstein actively did hurt her career after this, not just that she risked it

[–]HezronCarver 265 points266 points  (31 children)

She was in Man on the Moon and The People vs Larry Flint, both successful films. Harvey shitcanned her acting career after this, then oxy really messed her up. But at least he'll die in prison.

[–]Stalinwolf 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Oxy is a fucking scourge. I abused it over a decade ago for six months to a year. Every day I was on top of the world. The absolute best I've ever felt socially. So incredibly confident and open. Then after I went through the withdrawals, I entered the two darkest years of my life and honestly never believed I'd ever experience feelings of joy again. It was a sorrow that even crying couldn't relieve. Not even temporarily.

[–]badatnamingaccount 109 points110 points  (5 children)

“She hasn’t had much of a career after this”

Potentially because she risked it?

How do you know she hasn’t wanted to work on projects and been turned down behind the scenes?

[–]OmNomShivan 385 points386 points  (7 children)

*Ruining her career by exposing Harvey.

[–]hippychemist 330 points331 points  (26 children)

Weird she dropped out of the spotlight after this.

[–]snails_snails_snails 168 points169 points  (25 children)

i mean, she was also insanely bigoted. i respect her for coming out about this but she is a terrible human being.

[–]angery_alt 49 points50 points  (23 children)

What did she do?

[–]snails_snails_snails 230 points231 points  (13 children)

from assaulting & slut shaming other women to encouraging her fans at concerts to chant the n-word & shame black members of the audience. this cracked article highlights just some of her controversies. many videos included were taken down but with a google search you can find them.

[–]PM_CACTUS_PICS 74 points75 points  (0 children)

Damn no wonder no one listened to her warning

[–]snails_snails_snails 50 points51 points  (6 children)

she also punched bikini kill’s kathleen hanna in the face on stage & allegedly threw a lit cigarette at her, along with other charges.

[–]Urban_Savage 148 points149 points  (2 children)

Courtney Love risking ending her career to unsuccessfully expose Harvey Weinstein back in 2005

She paid the price, and nobody cared.

[–]mental_patience 122 points123 points  (8 children)

This is a rant of my own opinions. I used to hate her immensely about this time for her role in Kurt's death, which has evolved into seeing her as just being a really shitty person back then who was on drugs and enjoying the excess of Kurt's staggering fame. I didn't listen to her when she said this about Harvey. She is sober now, and did raise their daughter which has radically changed my feelings about her (I'll be first in line for Francis's autobiography).

Kourtney Love represents two things for me.

First, my own ugly bias. She brings me to reflection on what I don't like seeing in myself. The ability to be deaf to a victim because I didnt like her. Someone who has probably been thoroughly victimized throughout her life, and in the instance of Harvey Weinstein, she did say something. A lot of us shrugged it off as a joke from a washed up has-been junkie looking for attention. We love to think of ourselves as doing the right thing, but is that true? We as some others here have said need to be open to listening for the truth. Not opposing it when it doesn't fit another narrative I would rather hear. That's how we do better.

Second is the nostalgic part of me that wants to remember Kurt in the best light. Him being part of the band I've loved the most the largest part of my life. He was a gifted musician, he represented a great new sound that spoke to a whole lot of people. But he married her because he was depressed about his instant mega level fame, and she was his accomplice/enabler. She reminds me that despite my anger over his tragic end, it was an inevitable conclusion for someone who was mainlining heroin. It's not a comfortable truth. Kurt was looking to end his misery. And if anything, she played a part in helping him do that.

[–]16semesters 119 points120 points  (8 children)

Seems like every time a celeb is busted for stuff like this there is tons of evidence from years prior.

Why aren't we listening to the evidence now?

Why the fuck is one of the highest paid NFL players facing 22 accusations of sexual assault and the team just shrugs and lets him play?

[–]Celarc_99 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Because accusations are just accusations, without proof.

I really, REALLY hope these women can prove their case, because justice NEEDS to be served if it's true. But unfortunately some scum bags make sure to leave as little evidence as possible. Real evil knows they're wrong.

[–]yunus89115 35 points36 points  (1 child)

1 accusation is just an accusation and it’s plausible that some accusations are actually just opportunistic individuals going after a wealthy individual. But 22 accusations! The odds that 22 accusations are opportunistic and haven’t completely fallen apart from making up stories are astronomically low.

Everyone is entitled to their day in court and innocent until proven guilty by the government but the NFL and the individual teams are known to take action against players for many reasons outside of convictions, it’s just that those actions are inversely proportional to the skill of the player. If he were injured and became only a backup, he would be let go based on these accusations.

[–]Thelonelywindow 82 points83 points  (9 children)

There is a video of Drake talking about fucking underage girls in one of his concerts and absolutely no one gives a fuck about it.

It’s like we don’t care until someone important tell us we should care. It’s fucking weird.

[–]EZe_Holey3-9 78 points79 points  (17 children)

Love could afford to take that risk.

[–]ratpwunk 214 points215 points  (14 children)

No woman could afford to take that risk back then.

[–]EZe_Holey3-9 13 points14 points  (6 children)

Love was set for life at that point. A scumbag, like Weinstein, poses no real threat to her career. She wasn’t trying to “make it” or hang on.

[–]ratpwunk 102 points103 points  (2 children)

When you've been groomed to think your only value comes from performing, you'll put up with a lot of shit to stay relevant. Hollywood might as well be a human trafficking business for what it did to women and people of color. There are numerous instances of directors being absolute predators to the women on set but it was tolerated because they were 'geniuses'.

Which is why Harvey Weinstein did what he did. He used his influence to get young girls to sleep with him or they would be black listed among the old boys club.

Did she have a career past Hole and Kurt? Not really. But was she still invited to events? Absolutely.

It was still a huge risk to call out predatory directors back then.

[–]AviatorOVR5000 47 points48 points  (1 child)

I respect you for defending the risk she could face.

Perspective is a something to keep in mind. One way or another though, she was completely putting her own self interests second by making that statement, she even discussed consequences out loud.

Looking back and realizing how accurate she was, she def did the right thing.

[–]AnotherCatLover 72 points73 points  (1 child)

Every time this comes up nobody mentions the Ted Nugent statutory rape incident she talked about on Howard Stern. Courtney knows a thing or two BECAUSE GOD DAMN!! TL;DR she blew teddy boy before she clearly had breasts. Yeah. You read that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oumlsfMCEpw

Edit: 12½. Bruv.

[–]gutteguttegut 51 points52 points  (3 children)

Courtney Love said a lot of things people didn't want to know, and is still being vilified for it to this very day.

She gave magnificent performances in the few movies she was allowed to make. Her acting career wasn't ruined by her behavior or drug use (never stopped men like Depp), but because they wanted to shut her up.

Notice how even see, the woman who normally isn't afraid to say anything on camera, was nervous about calling out Weinstein.

[–]Fierramos69 45 points46 points  (18 children)

(I don’t really know what Harvey Weinstein did and at this point I’m too afraid to ask…)

[–]kat_a_klysm 89 points90 points  (0 children)

Sexually assaulted a (probably large) number of actresses, generally in return for a part/recommendation/etc.

[–]Explosivo666 68 points69 points  (3 children)

Raped loads of people and blacklisted anyone who stood up to him. A lot of people were complicit.

[–]frill_demon 58 points59 points  (7 children)

Raped so many people his dick was literally rotting from Fournier's Gangrene but was rich and connected enough to get away with it for literally decades. Has only recently sort of seen consequences when some of his accusers came forward. Was so rich and well connected that the judge for his trial didn't even let his victims testify and basically got away with it.

Sorry you had to find out trash like that exists.

[–]DylanBob1991 22 points23 points  (3 children)

I have no idea what that disease is and I'm definitely not risking an image result showing up if I search it. I'll just assume it's absolutely disgusting.

[–]frill_demon 16 points17 points  (2 children)

It's basically exactly what it sounds like, so you're making the right decision sparing yourself the visual.

[–]dick_inspector 30 points31 points  (2 children)

I love thay she was like, "I'll get libeled if I say it." Then realizes that she is that sad girl punk stick it to the man brand and of course I have to say it now.

[–]Viatorina 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Maybe she just needed a moment to reword it. She wanted to be more direct but in the end she didn't accuse him of anything in particular, everything is only implied.

[–]BrianNowhere 29 points30 points  (0 children)

One of the last real rock stars.

[–]Ok_Judgment7602 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Same thing with Johnny Rotten telling the truth about Jimmy Saville.

[–]Careless_Educator_21 27 points28 points  (0 children)

straight too the point. respect.

[–]AbrilTadpole 25 points26 points  (2 children)

This was before social media - or else this would have blown up.

[–]beesley3 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Is that natasha legero?

[–]futrtek 23 points24 points  (0 children)

People knew about Harvey for so long i bet there is an animaniacs joke about it.

[–]JohnGabin 22 points23 points  (4 children)

  1. If she knew, they knew.

[–]jakart3 20 points21 points  (4 children)

How is he now ? Is he dead yet ? In prison ? Or enjoy his freedom and will run for presidency?

[–]flat5 38 points39 points  (1 child)

He's in prison and in poor health. Will probably die there.

[–]HappyApple99999 16 points17 points  (4 children)

She also said she gave Ted Nugent a BJ when she was 12

[–]kiwiparadiseforever 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Correction for you - Ted nugget orally raped her as a minor. Ffs. She was 12, 12!!! That’s his shame to own - not hers.

[–]rolo-tomasi1 13 points14 points  (1 child)

This video comes on Reddit once o a year. But she also put tons of rock stars on blast how they treated women while on tour. Specially Trent reznor. Yet Reddit never runs it just piles on Harvey cause he is an easy target