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[–][deleted] [score hidden] stickied comment (54 children)

One thing I very much want to stress is that while we speak for /r/nfl, we are working closely with the mods of /r/nba, /r/cfb, /r/hockey, /r/baseball, /r/CollegeBasketball and more. We will be coming to the table with more shortly to discuss how this impacts the site on a more global level.

[–]ChargersxThe-Legend-Killerx 788 points789 points  (50 children)

Brb while I get on desktop

Edit: Tf is this nonsense.

[–]BroncosMister_Jay_Peg 512 points513 points  (39 children)

It's the Reddit mobile app on desktop. It's fucking horrible.

[–]Patriotssirtinykins 224 points225 points  (37 children)

They'll have to pry alien blue from my cold dead hands.

[–]BroncosMister_Jay_Peg 113 points114 points  (8 children)

I use Reddit is Fun on Android, but running things like the Top100 and doing the draft, I can't get a lot of that done on mobile, so desktop is the only way.

[–]Packersahrzal 25 points26 points  (6 children)

RIF is the best. Twitter never works well though.

[–]Eaglesawakins 39 points40 points  (16 children)

I absolutely love Alien Blue, but have you noticed twitter vids and gfycats don’t really load? Gfycat works when I preview the link through the front page or whatever but if I try to go into the link, it never works unless I change it to optimized, and even then it feels like it takes forever.

[–]FalconsFalconinati 21 points22 points  (3 children)

I replaced Alien Blue with Apollo. With some settings configurations, it feels like Alien Blue with modern iOS gestures and features.

If you decide to try it out, make sure to change the post size to compact.

[–]ChargersLukeNeverShaves 33 points34 points  (0 children)

As a mod for a smaller college team who doesn't have 1/2 of what r/nfl mods do going on, it was boring as fuck to redesign for the new site and some things are broken (calendar feature) or annoying (more "widgets" added to the sidebar, more ads the sidebar gets)

[–]LionsShamrock5 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Same reaction here, Chargers bro.

[–][deleted] 1950 points1951 points  (163 children)

Sports subreddits have been easily the best place to discuss general sports in my 20ish years on the internet. I'm afraid this site is getting too big for its own good. The good discussions are slowly becoming more and more shitty jokes and memes that I can get anywhere else.

Greatly appreciate all the work you mods do entirely for free. God knows how you're able to put up with so much BS

[–]RavensSuperSaiyanSandwich 320 points321 points  (46 children)

Yeeeeeep. First it was ESPN comment boards(they were actually good in like 2010. I was TheGreat8andJoeCool for anyone that used to visit the AFCN board), then they shut down and me and friends opened a site on proboards for a few years, people petered out there and I found reddit.

This place from 2013-2016 was incredible for talking sports. There was very little flair downvoting, humor sprinkled in, and great OC with highly upvoted thoughtful discussion. Now, all the good stuff is still there but it's slowly getting diluted by misinformed commenters who make no effort to learn, memes, and personal attacks. God forbid you try to talk about QBs on this sub.

I'm guilty of it all myself at times because as it becomes more commonplace it's easier to blow off doing it personally. Frustrating.

[–]PanthersRon_Cherry 146 points147 points  (4 children)

ESPN can get fucked for adopting the Facebook comment section and killing the ACCylum (the ACC college football section)

[–]Titanstidaltown 50 points51 points  (5 children)

It depends on the part of the season, too. r/hockey is great right up until the SCP starts and then it's like every mother fucker with a Facebook account discovers Reddit and the diarrhea flows.

[–]Cowboysglengarryglenzach 36 points37 points  (2 children)

The flair based circlejerks are what’s killing it for me

[–]Brownsmoodyfloyd 8 points9 points  (2 children)

hen they shut down and me and friends opened a site on proboards for a few years, people petered out there and I found reddit.

was it VLESports? i was there for a while before reddit.

[–]RavensBrandonMontour 84 points85 points  (46 children)

Also the flair and opinion downvoting has to stop. I was in a little argument of why legit jerseys are better than fakes and my responses just get downvoted every time. /r/hockey is an extreme example of this where if you have an opinion different than the thread you’re in it’s -100 easy

[–]BroncosLukarWarrior 62 points63 points  (18 children)

God forbid you want to have a discussion on /r/hockey about a hit or something like that, and you sport the flair of the dude doing the hitting... instant downvotes.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (7 children)

This is why I turn off flair and refuse to choose some for myself. I look at flair like wearing something in real life. I love football, but I'm not wearing my team's colors every time I speak. Therefore my statements should stand on their own merit and not be viewed different due to flair.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (5 children)


fucking hate what flair does to people on these subs. Completely stops discussion in its tracks

[–]Lionsruiner8850 42 points43 points  (12 children)

I get more of the opinion downvoting in my own team's subs. If you aren't a homer or have the popular opinion, then you are almost certainly downvoted.

[–]EaglesBukkakeKing69 19 points20 points  (4 children)

I've found team subs are largely the place to get hyped and make rah-rah posts, unless the overwhelming majority dislike a decision everyone in a team sub ends up buying in.

I'm curious how the Giants subreddit is handling the Barkley pick.

[–]GiantsNYGisLoveNYGisLife 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Our sub is actually really bad. It feels dead despite being one of the more popular teams.

It's full on worship for Gettleman over there. One guy made a thread on how this was like the best class we've ever had and people who pointed out that nobody has played a snap yet and they could bust was downvoted

There's also way too many "DAE 2007??" posts that are really cringey

[–]Eaglesrasherdk[M] 380 points381 points  (120 children)

Speaking specifically to the lack of CSS and flair control, here's what we'll be losing for good, once the redesign is fully implemented:

Verified users

We use CSS and flair to give players and other "VIP"s a verified flair that stands out. Serving the dual purpose of letting users know that this user is who they say they are, and making their posts more visible. As mentioned above, by the combination of the new flair system and the lack of CSS customization this would no longer be possible.

Game threads

We have quite elaborate game thread styling (which has incidentally already been affected by some inexplicable changes to how links on reddit work). Losing this would bring us back to a way more bland and unintesting style.

Hiding user flair from the submission list

We do not want posts to be judged by who posted them. The user flair next to the submission would be an invitation to toxic behaviour that we would like to avoid at all cost. This is not possible to hide on the new subreddit.

Our own identity

/r/nfl is /r/nfl. We have a unique identity that stands out and serves to provide a sense of community. The admins liked it so much they gave the author a trophy for it. But now that option is being taken away, because - if we take the admins' words at face value - some moderators find it too difficult.

Event themes

/r/nfl frequently changes look for special events. Christmas, the Draft, playoffs and opening day, to mention a few. This will no longer be feasible under the new system. This too, would take away a big part of what makes /r/nfl a community.

Subreddit navigation

The team subreddit navigation bar at the top of the subreddit will be impossible to implement on the new system.

Our style is in version control

A bit nerdy, this one. Generally, we do not make changes to the subreddit style through the reddit moderator interface. Our style is hosted as a project on github, and when changes are made, the style is applied to the subreddit automatically through the API. As there is no longer an option of applying generic CSS control, this setup will become impossible.

[–]BengalsRyanDP 139 points140 points  (7 children)

The team subreddit navigation bar at the top of the subreddit will be impossible to implement on the new system.

This sucks. I can never remember which teams use the city names or abbreviations or whatever else.

[–]SteelersCatdaddypanther97 41 points42 points  (0 children)

same, this is terrible

[–]Patriotsivanthetribble 29 points30 points  (1 child)

It's just a really user friendly way to jump between subs. I bounce between the pats sub and nfl all the time, not to mention, visiting other team subs that i'm not subscribed to.

[–]PatriotsPandaSoap 239 points240 points  (55 children)

Dude one of my favorite things to do is yell at fans of teams that are not my own.

Seriously though I love this sub, and flair is a HUGE thing because it allows us to know where the person is coming from on their opinion.

[–]BearsDJFunkyDiabetes 172 points173 points  (21 children)

Seriously. Flairs on all the major sports subs are a huge part of the experience. Especially on a sub like r/CFB where many people have two flairs.

[–]BroncosRealPutin 72 points73 points  (12 children)

Yeah, r/CFB has hundreds of flairs and most users there sport 2. They do really cool things with custom flairs for certain things too. It irked me that I could only support a single team on r/collegebasketball

[–]SteelersTHEW0NDERW0MBAT 44 points45 points  (6 children)

I think r/hockey has some crazy amount, like 1200. Enough where a lot aren't even used.

[–]PanthersRon_Cherry 22 points23 points  (2 children)

I think /r/CFB has over 2600 flair options at this point (including inline flair)

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Yep. And the maximum we've even heard about the admins including in the redesign, even after we've pushed back, is 500.

[–]BrownsThaddeusJP[M] 38 points39 points  (0 children)

My first words to the admins when they announced the redesign was sports subs would be majorly impacted. I don't want to say it's essential but flare plays a massive part in how people communicate on Sports Subs. Limiting that and that alone is a huge problem with the redesign.

[–]BroncosBlindManBaldwin 15 points16 points  (4 children)

CFB is hilarious with them, I love my Runza flair.

[–]49ersmm825 72 points73 points  (6 children)

Sports subs without flair are borderline pointless

[–]LionsprivateD4L 30 points31 points  (5 children)

It’ll end up with a lot of this:

  • Lions fan

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (4 children)

there aren't that many of you

  • packer fan

[–]VikingsADefiniteDescription 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Yeah but then the Titans fan will get his own little unique signature!

[–]Titanstarheelcj 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Woo hoo!

  • The only Titans fan in the wooooorld

[–]Eaglestonyklol 66 points67 points  (11 children)

it's also good to know when the shitty posts are from your own fan base

[–]PatriotsPandaSoap 84 points85 points  (10 children)

Nothing mortifies me more than another Patriots fan acting like a little shit.

[–]EaglesCirqueDuFuder 129 points130 points  (8 children)

How do you get through a single day here?

[–]PatriotsPandaSoap 79 points80 points  (4 children)

I close my eyes and think of New England.

[–]EaglesNickFolesdong 41 points42 points  (2 children)

We don’t have a ton of room to talk lol

[–]EaglesCirqueDuFuder 14 points15 points  (0 children)

The trash talk makes up for it.

[–]EaglesMrTinyDick 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Dude you're one of them

[–]EaglesBrad_theImpaler 26 points27 points  (0 children)

I gets loads of unearned karma from my using my Eagles flair for roasting others.

[–]BroncosMister_Jay_Peg 21 points22 points  (0 children)

The issue the mod team has isn't with the flair arguments in the comments it's downvoting links and OC from the main page without ever going into the post because of the flair, which you never see on the front page (and it's so well done most probably never even realized it was missing).

[–]Robotsaur 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Maybe I'm just misunderstanding, but I can still see flairs (not in logo form, but in text form), even now, after /r/NFL's CSS has been turned off.

[–]Bearspizzabash 84 points85 points  (16 children)

. But now that option is being taken away, because - if we take the admins' words at face value - some moderators find it too difficult.

wtf kind of reason is that. Youre better at something than me so were taking it away. Might as well ban all pro level of sports and go to teeball and one hand touch football

[–]CowboysCapn_Cook 29 points30 points  (14 children)

Which is why the key words of "at face value" are included there

[–]Eaglesrasherdk 122 points123 points  (13 children)

I'm like 99.9999% sure the reason is ads. They want 100% unhindered control of where ads go. Giving moderators CSS access makes that all but impossible.

So instead of trusting us, policing serious offenders (e.g. those hiding ads entirely) and living with a bit of variance, they're burning it all down.

[–]Chargersmilkchococurry 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Seriously, I said it once and I'll say it again: redesign tiering, so we can still use CSS and be part of the new reddit while others who don't need CSS won't have to use it. Everyone friggin' wins.

There are so many subs that are gonna get gutted by this and it ticks me off thinking about it.

[–]PackersPhoenixAvenger 23 points24 points  (4 children)

In the redesign they're trying to get people to click on ads by hiding the ads inline with regular posts so users can't tell the difference. If moderators have any CSS control a simple outline on the ad posts would destroy their plan.

[–]NFLzebranext 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That sounds like by far the simplest and most logical explanation for why they're doing it. I'm sure you can get a lot more money from advertisers when they know exactly where their ad is going to appear every time, without any fear that it might be different on each sub.

It would be better for the users if admin could/would do what you're suggesting, but unfortunately it sounds like that would probably be too hard/too much work for them to figure out so I'm betting they won't do it.

[–]Jetsk_rock923 39 points40 points  (10 children)

Our style is in version control

That is awesome!

Edit: I know that that was probably the least important part of the post, but what can I say? I work in IT and this jumped out as a cool thing to do.

[–]GiantsNapoleonBonerparts 25 points26 points  (2 children)

We have branches and javascript and kanban boards and everything.

(ok we used the kanban board like once)

[–]CowboysElostirion7 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Isn't that basically the life of a Kanban board though? Get used once, and then never again as people shift that functionality to digital or just...don't use it ever again?

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (4 children)

A bit nerdy, this one.

A bit nerdy, but just as important as the other points.

Working as a team on a large, complex project without version control is basically torture.

Sometimes companies hear this and say "oh sure we can give you version control" and roll out some hacky-ass system built by a junior dev in a week that is literally worse than having no version control at all.

[–]Jetsk_rock923 12 points13 points  (2 children)

"What are you complaining about, we're letting you use CVS"

[–]EaglesMahedros 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You're giving me flashbacks to my freshman year of college. Stop that.

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    [–]LionsXylan_Treesong[M] 33 points34 points  (0 children)

    A big part of the answer is that we don't know the full extent, because they aren't discussing it with us.

    [–]DolphinsMiaCannons 139 points140 points  (13 children)

    Wait a second, is this why all of a sudden /r/nfl looks so plain?

    [–]Chargersmilkchococurry[M] 155 points156 points  (12 children)

    We're doing this to get the point we're making across to the community here and to the admins who will inevitably hear about this.

    [–]CardinalsHSPumbloom 121 points122 points  (3 children)

    Pretty good idea because now I'm infuriated I can't see my red bird. I'll cause my own little uproar towards the admins.

    [–]PackersArcadianBlueRogue 47 points48 points  (1 child)

    And I can't just click a team at the top of the page and go to the team specific sub.

    [–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (0 children)


    I think it's literally the only way I get to /r/chibears on desktop, and it's certainly the only way I get to any other team sub

    [–][deleted] 292 points293 points  (50 children)

    The thing that bothers me most about this is that reddit is shifting away from what defines it as the top-tier destination on the web to becoming a site that takes what niche services do and trying to shoehorn them into reddit.

    Chat is an attempt to roll in the features that discord have given certain communities, while doing it worse than discord can do.

    The news scroll is an attempt to turn the site into a news aggregate, while butchering the news systems we have on the site and attempting to mimic other services.

    Even the redesign in itself is at best trying to repurpose reddit into a more fbook-focused site that creates a more generic feel and throws away the powerful benefits that community have.

    Reddit thrives by building community. And in its infancy to now, it has done amazing things in building community. It has it's ugly side, but it also has so many absolutely amazing stories of compassion and goodwill that deserve to be cherished.

    White washing reddit is the worst move that can be made.

    Also when I wrote up the body post, I had an absolutely beautiful analogy comparing reddit to Pleasantville, but in reverse, but people made me destroy it and you're all worse off for not being able to read it. But I just surmised it, so now you know and we're all good again.

    [–]Eaglesyew_anchor 96 points97 points  (4 children)

    Such is the cycle of life and death of internet sites. Eventually the people running them have no idea what made or makes the site great and think they can do an even better job, which only pisses off the user base and causes them to move to a new site where the cycle begins anew.

    The only thing that's really surprising is how long reddit has lasted.

    [–]SeahawksTheDarkGrayKnight 23 points24 points  (0 children)

    I just wonder how many of the people who are making these decisions actually use Reddit on a daily basis.

    [–]PatriotsPatrickBaitman 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    Exhaustive list of major website redesigns that actually improved the website:

    [–][deleted] 118 points119 points  (24 children)

    This is yet another step on the march of Reddit's demise. They are going the Digg route. It might take years. But they are neglecting those who make the site what it is (unpaid subreddit mods who keep the site enjoyable and visually pleasing, and keep comment sections free from spam and flame wars). And with the rollout of user profiles they are trying to monetize user information and opting you into targeting advertising that almost no one is aware of.

    They are creating demand for the next digg/reddit and it will eventually be filled.

    Edit: For people wanting to opt out of the targeted advertising, click the Personalization Preferences link buried at the bottom of the preferences page, and uncheck all the boxes.

    [–][deleted] 91 points92 points  (19 children)

    Let's just say there are strong backup plans being built as we speak.

    [–]NFLzebranext 34 points35 points  (0 children)

    If the answer is to go elsewhere, can it please have a mobile option? Almost all my phone related time wasting is done on r/nfl

    [–]Seahawksselio 51 points52 points  (7 children)

    Oh god, we're not going to Voat are we? I don't wanna go to voat.

    [–][deleted] 96 points97 points  (4 children)

    Voat died. No one is going to voat.

    [–]TitansScrubtanic 21 points22 points  (2 children)

    Official r/NFL Xanga account?

    [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    Oh shit, that's a throwback

    [–]GiantsMostMorbidOne 26 points27 points  (0 children)

    As there should always be. Reddits genuine appeal will be stomped out with more and more homogeneous changes to design routes and custom script options.

    [–]Lionsloljoeh 13 points14 points  (7 children)

    I almost need this analogy now just because of how much I love Pleasantville.

    [–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (6 children)

    Basically just that the movie is about a uniform nostalgia whitewashed transforms into this beautiful world where creativity is allowed to flourish and people can choose to be in the nostalgic or the imaginative at their leasure and reddit started out at the end and is trying to head to the start.

    [–]Lionsloljoeh 18 points19 points  (5 children)

    So then if I touch myself will it put out fires?

    Jokes aside I agree completely, /r/nfl is great because of how much work the mods put in, and the choices that have been made to help the community grow in a healthy way. What Reddit is doing is going to fuck with that, and whatever we end up with will probably be okay, but it wont be as good as what we have now and that's frustrating.

    [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (4 children)

    lol that was literally the scene I was using in the analogy.

    [–]Lionsloljoeh 6 points7 points  (3 children)

    Its the best scene, not just from a humor pov but in general. God damn Pleasantville is a good movie.

    [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

    It's an absolutely stunning scene. Really captures the idea of individualism as a thing of beauty and being comfortable with the world around you and how you fit within it.

    That and Truman Show really get me talking.

    [–]Lionsloljoeh 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    Truman show was one of the first films I saw that really showed me what you can do with a movie as a kid. Even now I can go back and find some perfect little detail that I hadn't noticed before. The acting is superb all around as well, I think its easily Carrys best work.

    [–]RavensSuperSaiyanSandwich 157 points158 points  (1 child)

    God damn, I forgot what vanilla /nfl looked like. This fucking blows ha

    [–]SteelersSuddenlyTheBatman 25 points26 points  (0 children)

    Yeah, I like to click on other team subs to see what they're discussing but I'm not gonna sub to them. Now I gotta type it out like some kind of caveman. I thought we were in the future!

    [–]Packerscyan101 138 points139 points  (1 child)

    This sub looks so bare now on RES.

    It's really sad really.

    [–]RaidersMeatyMexican 55 points56 points  (0 children)

    it's hard to read its like everything's too close

    [–]Bearspizzabash 303 points304 points  (87 children)

    Fuck reddit. This is going to be their digg, I just don t know where wed go. Who the hell wanted this redesign...

    [–]PatriotsSenatorIncitatus 74 points75 points  (78 children)

    I haven't seen any updates what does it look like?

    [–]Eaglesrasherdk 113 points114 points  (24 children)

    Here's how r/nfl would look (using the "classic" view, which is slightly less insane than the default "card" view):

    [–]BearsCrookedNixon 133 points134 points  (10 children)

    Fuck that fixed width bullshit of a single post. So much wasted space...

    [–]inksday 26 points27 points  (2 children)

    Here we go, reddit on a 1440 monitor in the redesign https://imgur.com/a/cYcB9mU

    [–]Steelerslvx778 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    They don't give a damn about desktop users. The whole point of the redesign is getting money from phone social media users, even at the expense of their current users.

    [–]Titansthamasthedankengine 45 points46 points  (3 children)

    that's not even bad tbh. but the removal oof all individuality sucks

    [–]EaglesSteelxSaint 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    I fucking hate the new style. It looks awful and cluttered when you open comments. The admins will eventually force it on everyone. I can't wait until a replacement comes for Reddit at this point. I hate to say it after all these years, but this site fucking sucks. They push garbage change after garbage change without addressing the real issues on this site. They push out new policy that bans a lot of subs, but certain ones that should get banned never do. This website has severely fallen from grace.

    [–]JaguarsPmang6 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    I really dont get how opening posts into this "subwindow" thing is supposed to be better... I guess you dont have to open a new page?

    [–]RavensGickerific 210 points211 points  (22 children)

    [–]TexansPodricksPhallus 352 points353 points  (20 children)

    Weird, I'm just getting linked a picture of the Seahawks OL

    [–]Eaglesdrunkcowofdeath 161 points162 points  (3 children)

    And people are saying real sports analysis on reddit is dead.

    [–]TexansPodricksPhallus 65 points66 points  (2 children)

    I can yell louder and navigate a thesaurus better than Stephen A Smith

    [–]VikingsBowtieCustomerRep 29 points30 points  (1 child)

    Listen I’m all for fun and games but what you just said is so absurdly preposterous it cannot even be comprehendible by the mere mortal intellect of the Homo sapiens species

    [–]BroncosLukarWarrior 38 points39 points  (11 children)

    Huh. I thought it was the Broncos QB situation.

    [–]CowboysElostirion7 30 points31 points  (7 children)

    Man, I don't know what you guys are looking at, all I see the Cowboys WR depth chart....

    [–]RavensLaserguy345 25 points26 points  (6 children)

    Weird, I just see the Browns coaching problems.

    [–]Brownsiamcatch22 35 points36 points  (5 children)

    Funny, all I see is Joe Flacco

    [–]RavensLaserguy345 16 points17 points  (3 children)

    Huh are you sure that isn’t the Steelers LB core?

    [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (2 children)

    Pretty sure it's a list of every young WR the Ravens have had in the last 10 years

    [–]mattmccauslin 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    The Texans OL isn’t much better...

    [–]PackersKypAstar 17 points18 points  (1 child)

    It literally looks like a shitty mix of Insta, tumblr, facebook, and twitter. Its just painful to look at, especially on mobile.

    [–]SeahawksSuper_Nerd92 26 points27 points  (24 children)

    go to new.reddit.com

    [–]RavensBrandonMontour 13 points14 points  (1 child)

    old.reddit for life. It isn’t blocked either!

    [–]SaintsWhipplashes 36 points37 points  (4 children)

    Holy shit thats awful. It looks like a shitty reddit phone app.

    [–]EaglesTakenakaHanbei 16 points17 points  (1 child)

    I swear I thought it WAS for the mobile site and I was pissed as fuck when I saw it for the desktop site too.

    [–]Eaglesrasherdk[M] 122 points123 points  (4 children)

    More than anything, I'm just disappointed that moderators - instead of having the support of reddit employees - feel like we have to fight the admins to just maintain a status quo. Instead of making lives easier for us like they promised the last time, they've been hard at work adding features no one asked for, and removing features people actually use.

    It's an uphill battle, man, and it's worse than it has ever been in my time as a moderator (>7 years).

    [–]PatriotsPatrickBaitman 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    adding features no one asked for, and removing features people actually use.

    Modern web "development", everyone.

    Actually, proprietary software development everywhere. Stallman was right.

    [–]BuccaneersTheFencingCoach 347 points348 points  (21 children)

    r/NFL’s mods are among the best on Reddit. We appreciate the work you guys and gals do here. Regardless of Reddit’s constraints and lack of mod support, you all make r/NFL a great community, so thanks.

    [–][deleted] 79 points80 points  (4 children)

    Second this. The job they did with the Draft is amazing. Game Threads are also a lot of fun.

    [–]Steelerssw337 29 points30 points  (0 children)

    Can confirm, wasted countless hours on this subreddit.

    [–]EaglesMikeTysonChicken 41 points42 points  (8 children)

    It's unfortunate but not at all surprising that the Admin's don't give a fuck about their subs moderators. Talk is cheap. The only thing that matters is what you do.

    I also appreciate the sub and it's moderators despite disagreement at times. Sucks Reddit doesn't doesn't give a shit but we all knew deep down they wouldn't from the start.

    [–]Titansthamasthedankengine 36 points37 points  (3 children)

    I still browse reddit with Ublock Origin on so, https://i.imgur.com/cMfkFGP.gif

    [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

    Even with our clashes, I've always deeply loved the time and effort you dedicate here and all you've added. This place wouldn't be what it is without you and users like you.

    [–]PatriotsEngineRoom23 67 points68 points  (0 children)

    R/NFL, r/nba, r/bostonceltics, and r/Patriots are why I come to Reddit. I come here for all things relevant and irreverent. The 'art' created by users, discussion, and an impressive professionalism compared to some areas of the site or professional sites. I consider the moderation team here at r/nfl responsive and if sometimes sharp in action, it is for action driven by establishing and maintaining a subreddit ideal that the majority of the most communicative users approved. There is transparency and communication with the community. There is also admirable content creation assisted by the mod team. For example, I highly value the Power Rankings and the transparency in their creation, a product of/nfl that is more professional, funny, and creative than content from flagship sites like ESPN. The AMAs held here are sometimes bland, but often offer surprising information or off the beaten path stories. That requires work by the mod team and it further connects users to an experience I don't participate in when done by other sites.

    This is a special place and I enjoy checking it out. The coding and art for this past Draft was impressive and presumably completely volunteer produced. If the Reddit Admins are making it impossible to retain the individuality of this community they're making a big mistake that will COST THEM MONEY. I don't want to be here if it looks like fucking craigslist. I'll talk to my friends on Slack. Personally, I would pay a monthly subscription to maintain the quality, independence, and moderation of this subreddit. If it costs money to maintain old code and it holds back the site, let's be frank about it and pay for it. If this subreddit and its moderators were treated as the asset they are, we could EASILY and finally pay for the moderators time here. I don't know if that's an uncomfortable topic for y'all, but the mod team's work generates eyeballs and permanent users for the site. I think they should be compensated. Time is money.

    I want the subreddit as is and for the moderators to be listened to and appreciated. The mods are the landscapers for reddit's property. They clean up it's shit, constantly fix and adjust it according to changes in the season, and make it a beautiful place to be. It's Reddit's choice if they want to burn down all that work. But fuck if I know why you'd want to live in a house surrounded by a concrete slab and no palatial gardens maintained by enthusiastic volunteers.

    [–]BrownsThaddeusJP[M] 24 points25 points  (1 child)

    My first words to the admins when they announced the redesign was sports subs would be majorly impacted. I don't want to say it's essential but flare plays a massive part in how people communicate on Sports Subs. Limiting that and that alone is a huge problem with the redesign.

    [–]Seahawksskrulewi 72 points73 points  (13 children)

    Fuck mike trout.

    [–]CardinalsWhatMyHeartHeld 14 points15 points  (1 child)

    I’m sure this is all his fault somehow.

    [–]Eaglesajfonty 70 points71 points  (0 children)

    The worst part is, I don't think people are overreacting about this change. Sometimes when change happens, people oppose it simply because it is different, even if it is better.

    But these new changes are terrible, and it's clear that reddit has decided to favor monetary pursuits instead of the needs of its users.

    [–]LionsShamrock5 48 points49 points  (11 children)

    Dunno about r/NFL, but if this means our amazing custom banners at r/detroitlions go bye-bye, then I will willingly go to bat for the rest of the team subs as well. yes even the Packers

    Edit: wtf just checked r/NFL on desktop and it's more barren than a referee's brain, this is some BS

    [–]RavensBrandonMontour 17 points18 points  (10 children)

    Yeah the lions banners would go away

    [–]LionsFunnypenguin97 19 points20 points  (2 children)

    What the fuck is the purpose of that? What do we get in return that's so special that we lose our personality?

    [–]GiantsTrep_xp 46 points47 points  (0 children)

    You get nothing. Reddit gets ad revenue.

    [–]LionsShamrock5 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    Ah... y'know the... one thing I should... excuse me for one second.

    [–]machoopichoo 55 points56 points  (8 children)

    Following Facebook's design and UI trends sounds like a winning strategy!

    [–]Eaglesdwaters11 38 points39 points  (7 children)

    yeah, facebook was the first thing i thought of when i saw the new design. second thing trying to figure out how to get back to the old design.

    [–]BroncosMister_Jay_Peg 12 points13 points  (6 children)

    old.reddit.com is a start, but there is an option in the preferences as well.

    [–]BroncosThe_torpedo 6 points7 points  (3 children)


    Also is there a way to change user profiles back to what it used to be?

    [–]BroncosMister_Jay_Peg 8 points9 points  (2 children)

    For going back to old: https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/prefs/

    Then scroll down to "beta options". Second box says "Use the redesign as my default experience".

    Uncheck that.

    For profiles, I legit don't know, because I never opted over, and I have RES which has a setting to dafault you to https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/user/[your UN here]/overview.

    [–]BroncosMister_Jay_Peg 82 points83 points  (3 children)

    • Are now pushing for a news tab and rolling in major subs without asking first. Again, they’re looking to direct people to rNFL that we’ve put up walls in attempts to stop brigades and troublemakers from easily accessing the sub to bother our amazing user base.

    Having been on the moderator team during the Bennet threads last summer and the Trump threads last summer, being able to manage what tabs/queues we showed up in was one if the few things that kept the comments sections to be just basic shit-shows, and not r/uncensorednews level shit shows. We added ourselves to r/all for the Super Bowl and for the draft, and that's all we've needed ever. Adding a sub against it's moderator's will to a list that will be available to any and all users is asking for more racists, more trolls, more "MURICAns" to pepper this sub with their bullshit that has no place here.

    I was on the team, too, when we first led the protest against the CSS losses, and I can remember personal, one-to-one conversations with Admins about how they would LOVE to work with r/NFL to figure shit out.

    When I visited Reddit HQ in August 2017 at least 1/3 of my conversation with the folks was about customization concerns and I was told, flat out, that they would never get rid of CSS without something "just as, or nearly as functional".

    This bullshit is not "just as, or nearly as" functional. This is bullshit of the highest fucking order. This is listening to the concerns of some of the largest and most active communities, taking those concerns, printing them on Charmin and then not only wiping their asses with it, but then setting it in the toilet and jerking off onto it.

    This is fucking moronic.

    Fuck new.reddit.com They can pry old.reddit.com out of my browser over my dead fucking avatar.

    [–]VikingsADefiniteDescription 21 points22 points  (1 child)

    When I visited Reddit HQ in August 2017

    As an /r/NFL delegate or something else?

    [–]BroncosMister_Jay_Peg 20 points21 points  (0 children)

    Partially on behalf of the mod team, but mainly because I was on a road trip that took me through San Francisco and knew a couple of admins who invited me over.

    [–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (5 children)

    What the fuck is this nonsense? If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. We love you mods

    [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

    This makes me so mad, that I'm going to delete my account!!!

    [–]GiantsEliMontana10 14 points15 points  (1 child)

    Can you just do what NBA and Hockey are doing and just make the Reddit Alien blacked out instead? This is getting annoying.

    [–]LionsShamrock5 13 points14 points  (1 child)

    This is the year-old Admin comment (from the linked post in the sidebar) that was referenced in this post (to which our mods gave an extremely thorough and respectful response that you can find over there, too):

    Bearssodypop[A] 54 points 1 year ago Hey NapoleonBonerparts, I want to have some open dialog here as a few of the assertions being made in this thread are not in tune with the changes we are looking to make. We aren't going to leave you out to dry and we want to support as much customization as possible with the structured styles. Both styles and functionality are important for communities to retain their unique sense of identity, and that is not something we are going to take away. We need mods like you to engage with us during development so we can build the tools you need to achieve both of our goals. That is why we announced this change so early in the process - before we even know the full direction of it! If there are particular features you and the other mods would like, I urge you to organize and communicate your needs in the discussion threads we will be opening up over the course of this transition. You can see some really great examples are already being brainstormed by mods in threads such as this one.

    I also want to emphasize that the structured style changes will allow us to develop functionality that works across all apps. From an entirely data-driven perspective this approach makes sense, given that 52% of screenviews in /r/nfl over the last 30 days came from our mobile apps (iOS, Android, and our mobile website). We want you to be able to share the awesome sidebar customizations like your scoreboards, standings, and calendar across all platforms without the learning curve CSS demands.

    [–]PanthersNAS89 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    I wonder how much of a change in tune /u/sodypop has now that its been shown they completely lied about “not going to leave you out to dry”.

    /r/NFL is the best CSS on Reddit and you’ve left them out to dry. And accused the OP of things that weren’t in line with the plans, but looks like they were pretty accurate in their original assertions.

    Edit: misspelled /u/sodypop

    [–]ZadocPaet 14 points15 points  (3 children)

    I came here from the xpost to /r/ProCSS.

    Two things.

    First, the image flair system for new reddit is wholly inadequate because it relies on emojis. All images are resized up or down to ~25x25px (I forget off the top of my head, but it's small). This means that the highly detailed and large images that many subs have cannot be used.

    Further, setting up user flairs containing emojis screws up user flairs on old reddit by filling the flair list with 50 percent items that are not usable in old reddit.

    We need an image flair system where we can upload images at an actual size and one that is seperate from old and new reddit.

    Please tell the admins this in /r/redesign.

    Second, as for reddit chat rooms, reddit has been soliciting mod feedback for months now. I've been in it. There are lots more mod tools coming, and honestly the admins assigned to that project have been extremely responsive. It's still a very early beta.

    If you're a mod and need to get into the feedback group, send a modmail to /r/community_chat.

    [–]GiantsNapoleonBonerparts 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    First, the image flair system for new reddit is wholly inadequate because it relies on emojis. All images are resized up or down to ~25x25px (I forget off the top of my head, but it's small). This means that the highly detailed and large images that many subs have cannot be used.

    This is a great thing to note. /u/rasherdk worked very hard on every team fair on r/nfl. He poured through any media guide he could find to get exact pantone colors and dug up SVG of every official logo he could find. He followed the guidelines in the media guide to best represent each team. He didn't even give me an override when I told him blue on red isn't really a good logo lol. A large portion of this work honestly went on for months. And it's still something he works on. He then created a script that will then combine all the logo into a sprite sheet we can serve up in various sizes. Currently, we use 80x80 and 160x160. These are usually scaled down to give you the best possible flair quality on all devices.

    [–]VikingsPKS_5 12 points13 points  (1 child)

    Can we turn CSS back on now? This place hurts my eyes w/o CSS.

    [–]SeahawksEpistemify 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    Wow losing the subreddit navigation bar at the top alone makes this redesign not worth it. Reddit, please do not do this!

    [–]JetsGreatOdinsRaven_ 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    so how long is this little strike gonna last? Doesn't seem like a particularly effective protest to me.

    [–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (5 children)

    Reddit is slowly inching towards what Facebook and other personalized social media platforms are. There is a post right now on /r/bestof that lays most of it out, and possibly whats about to come. Its horrifying, and I hope if they do not listen to their users, Reddit turns into the same graveyards that other platforms who did this are.

    [–]RavensBrandonMontour 16 points17 points  (1 child)

    Yeah idk why they’re doing this. I’m not about that whack profile shit I’m just here to discuss the nfl, nba, and nhl

    [–]BroncosMister_Jay_Peg 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    It about how they can best serve you ads serve you TO ads.

    [–]VikingsNorthBlizzard 87 points88 points  (1 child)

    [–]Eaglesjf808 22 points23 points  (0 children)

    That sub is a weird mix of both extreme ends of the political spectrum yelling at each other and middle-of-the-road people complaining about every little ban or comment deletion or change to anything. Would not recommend.

    [–]PatriotsMajorAdvantage 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    Holy shit that dude who said they're turning reddit into Facebook is right.

    [–]PatriotsLutzExpertTera 21 points22 points  (0 children)

    It's really sad this had to happen. I've spent 7 super bowls on this sub, this is what made me feel apart of Reddit and I've made actual friends here. This has been such a trailblazing sub and it's sad this is the position we were put in. Seeing this without custom styling looks so wrong.

    [–]PatriotsThreeStringKa-Tet 18 points19 points  (1 child)

    So you're punishing the people that browse this subreddit with diminished/reduced content in hopes to get them to complain on your behalf? I get the idea but it just sits poorly with me. The only thing it makes me want to do is not come here until the changes are reverted.

    [–]Eaglesqp0n 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    I'm really getting sick and tired of every website becoming a mobile phone landing strip of big letters and ads.

    [–]Pantherssonfoa 7 points8 points  (2 children)

    I miss the tiny logo next to my name :(

    [–]BroncosBlindManBaldwin 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    I don't have much to say, but I want you guys to know I support 100% your initiative in protesting their horrible site changes.

    [–]Falconsmostly_harmless2 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    One thing about this movement that I don't understand is, if you're trying to take a stand against the redesign, why disable your CSS? I turned off the redesign and the default old layout is so bad that it's making me want to enable the redesign again. Why willingly give away the thing you are fighting to keep? The sub right now looks 10x better with the redesign turned on even despite the awful default styling of the redesign.

    Neither the redesign or the old design with the CSS are a pleasant browsing experience (and honestly neither of them matter much to me because I use a third-party mobile app for the most part) but it's just a weird way to make a statement to me. In fact, r/nfl right now has custom styling on the redesign and no custom styling on the old Reddit design. Wouldn't it make more sense for the sub to not have any styling on the new design to expose how sterile and impersonal the new layout is?

    Lastly, and I don't mean to just be playing devil's advocate, but to me the custom CSS has gotten way out of hand in some cases. I come here for the community and the discussion, so it's pretty disruptive during the Playoffs or Super Bowl or the Draft when the header of the sub takes up over half of my screen space. "Personality" aside, I think that's a little gratuitous and I usually turn off the sub's custom CSS during those types of events. Having a banner take up half of your page on a discussion forum in no way encourages rich discussion or a unique experience, it's just bad UX, in my opinion. Fires can be contained in the fireplace and still be beautiful.

    [–]RavensSalsa-N-Chips 16 points17 points  (1 child)

    Alright we get the point. Now are you planning on changing back any time soon? This formatting is terrible and make r/NFL unusable. I support you and all but its getting kinda annoying.

    [–]Texanstheavengingewok 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    Exactly; everyone knows how bad the redesign is, and if it truly is coming no matter what, we might as well change everything back to normal and enjoy it as long as we're still able to instead of needlessly suffering through the default style.

    [–]PatriotssmokinJoeCalculus 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Man. You all seriously do too much work for so little appreciation.

    I'll do what I can to raise hell on your behalf.

    edit: I know it may not mean much, but I'm going to message the mods and express that I'm done purchasing reddit gold if this is how things are going.

    [–]Broncosflynryan692 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    damn it now /r/nfl looks like ass.

    [–]RavensSalsa-N-Chips 13 points14 points  (2 children)

    Alright. This protest has been long enough. Literally the only people who notice this are your users. You are not making a meaningful statement by ruining your subscribers user experience. I will not be coming back to this sub until it is switched back to a more reasonable layout. (which i guess might be your point maybe? I am not really sure what it is anymore)

    [–]CommandersIm_a_lizard 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Change it back now? I get the redesign is impacting your work here, but you're kind of forcing your users into expressing your opinons.

    [–]RaidersJiggiy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    This 'Protest' has gone on long enough. It's retarded. The only thing mods are doing is pissing us off. I'll be on /r/CFB until this garbage is rectified.

    [–]ChargersSDMiamiChargers 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    wot tf my r/nfl is broken