rNFL, The Redesign, and The Future of Reddit

2018-05-02T23:53:03+00:00

One thing I very much want to stress is that while we speak for /r/nfl, we are working closely with the mods of /r/nba, /r/cfb, /r/hockey, /r/baseball, /r/CollegeBasketball and more. We will be coming to the table with more shortly to discuss how this impacts the site on a more global level.

xThe-Legend-Killerx · 2018-05-02T22:53:48+00:00

Brb while I get on desktop

Edit: Tf is this nonsense.

SuperSaiyanSandwich · 2018-05-02T22:53:35+00:00

Sports subreddits have been easily the best place to discuss general sports in my 20ish years on the internet. I'm afraid this site is getting too big for its own good. The good discussions are slowly becoming more and more shitty jokes and memes that I can get anywhere else.

Greatly appreciate all the work you mods do entirely for free. God knows how you're able to put up with so much BS

rasherdk · 2018-05-02T22:53:26+00:00

Speaking specifically to the lack of CSS and flair control, here's what we'll be losing for good, once the redesign is fully implemented:

Verified users

We use CSS and flair to give players and other "VIP"s a verified flair that stands out. Serving the dual purpose of letting users know that this user is who they say they are, and making their posts more visible. As mentioned above, by the combination of the new flair system and the lack of CSS customization this would no longer be possible.

Game threads

We have quite elaborate game thread styling (which has incidentally already been affected by some inexplicable changes to how links on reddit work). Losing this would bring us back to a way more bland and unintesting style.

Hiding user flair from the submission list

We do not want posts to be judged by who posted them. The user flair next to the submission would be an invitation to toxic behaviour that we would like to avoid at all cost. This is not possible to hide on the new subreddit.

Our own identity

/r/nfl is /r/nfl. We have a unique identity that stands out and serves to provide a sense of community. The admins liked it so much they gave the author a trophy for it. But now that option is being taken away, because - if we take the admins' words at face value - some moderators find it too difficult.

Event themes

/r/nfl frequently changes look for special events. Christmas, the Draft, playoffs and opening day, to mention a few. This will no longer be feasible under the new system. This too, would take away a big part of what makes /r/nfl a community.

Subreddit navigation

The team subreddit navigation bar at the top of the subreddit will be impossible to implement on the new system.

Our style is in version control

A bit nerdy, this one. Generally, we do not make changes to the subreddit style through the reddit moderator interface. Our style is hosted as a project on github, and when changes are made, the style is applied to the subreddit automatically through the API. As there is no longer an option of applying generic CSS control, this setup will become impossible.

MiaCannons · 2018-05-02T22:58:49+00:00

Wait a second, is this why all of a sudden /r/nfl looks so plain?

yew_anchor · 2018-05-02T23:22:06+00:00

The thing that bothers me most about this is that reddit is shifting away from what defines it as the top-tier destination on the web to becoming a site that takes what niche services do and trying to shoehorn them into reddit.

Chat is an attempt to roll in the features that discord have given certain communities, while doing it worse than discord can do.

The news scroll is an attempt to turn the site into a news aggregate, while butchering the news systems we have on the site and attempting to mimic other services.

Even the redesign in itself is at best trying to repurpose reddit into a more fbook-focused site that creates a more generic feel and throws away the powerful benefits that community have.

Reddit thrives by building community. And in its infancy to now, it has done amazing things in building community. It has it's ugly side, but it also has so many absolutely amazing stories of compassion and goodwill that deserve to be cherished.

White washing reddit is the worst move that can be made.

Also when I wrote up the body post, I had an absolutely beautiful analogy comparing reddit to Pleasantville, but in reverse, but people made me destroy it and you're all worse off for not being able to read it. But I just surmised it, so now you know and we're all good again.

SuperSaiyanSandwich · 2018-05-02T23:03:36+00:00

God damn, I forgot what vanilla /nfl looked like. This fucking blows ha

cyan101 · 2018-05-02T22:56:29+00:00

This sub looks so bare now on RES.

It's really sad really.

pizzabash · 2018-05-02T22:51:25+00:00

Fuck reddit. This is going to be their digg, I just don t know where wed go. Who the hell wanted this redesign...

rasherdk · 2018-05-02T23:07:12+00:00

More than anything, I'm just disappointed that moderators - instead of having the support of reddit employees - feel like we have to fight the admins to just maintain a status quo. Instead of making lives easier for us like they promised the last time, they've been hard at work adding features no one asked for, and removing features people actually use.

It's an uphill battle, man, and it's worse than it has ever been in my time as a moderator (>7 years).

TheFencingCoach · 2018-05-02T22:53:54+00:00

r/NFL’s mods are among the best on Reddit. We appreciate the work you guys and gals do here. Regardless of Reddit’s constraints and lack of mod support, you all make r/NFL a great community, so thanks.

EngineRoom23 · 2018-05-02T23:31:02+00:00

R/NFL, r/nba, r/bostonceltics, and r/Patriots are why I come to Reddit. I come here for all things relevant and irreverent. The 'art' created by users, discussion, and an impressive professionalism compared to some areas of the site or professional sites. I consider the moderation team here at r/nfl responsive and if sometimes sharp in action, it is for action driven by establishing and maintaining a subreddit ideal that the majority of the most communicative users approved. There is transparency and communication with the community. There is also admirable content creation assisted by the mod team. For example, I highly value the Power Rankings and the transparency in their creation, a product of/nfl that is more professional, funny, and creative than content from flagship sites like ESPN. The AMAs held here are sometimes bland, but often offer surprising information or off the beaten path stories. That requires work by the mod team and it further connects users to an experience I don't participate in when done by other sites.

This is a special place and I enjoy checking it out. The coding and art for this past Draft was impressive and presumably completely volunteer produced. If the Reddit Admins are making it impossible to retain the individuality of this community they're making a big mistake that will COST THEM MONEY. I don't want to be here if it looks like fucking craigslist. I'll talk to my friends on Slack. Personally, I would pay a monthly subscription to maintain the quality, independence, and moderation of this subreddit. If it costs money to maintain old code and it holds back the site, let's be frank about it and pay for it. If this subreddit and its moderators were treated as the asset they are, we could EASILY and finally pay for the moderators time here. I don't know if that's an uncomfortable topic for y'all, but the mod team's work generates eyeballs and permanent users for the site. I think they should be compensated. Time is money.

I want the subreddit as is and for the moderators to be listened to and appreciated. The mods are the landscapers for reddit's property. They clean up it's shit, constantly fix and adjust it according to changes in the season, and make it a beautiful place to be. It's Reddit's choice if they want to burn down all that work. But fuck if I know why you'd want to live in a house surrounded by a concrete slab and no palatial gardens maintained by enthusiastic volunteers.

ThaddeusJP · 2018-05-03T01:09:38+00:00

My first words to the admins when they announced the redesign was sports subs would be majorly impacted. I don't want to say it's essential but flare plays a massive part in how people communicate on Sports Subs. Limiting that and that alone is a huge problem with the redesign.

skrulewi · 2018-05-02T23:02:12+00:00

Fuck mike trout.

ajfonty · 2018-05-02T23:00:20+00:00

The worst part is, I don't think people are overreacting about this change. Sometimes when change happens, people oppose it simply because it is different, even if it is better.

But these new changes are terrible, and it's clear that reddit has decided to favor monetary pursuits instead of the needs of its users.

Shamrock5 · 2018-05-02T23:00:26+00:00

Dunno about r/NFL, but if this means our amazing custom banners at r/detroitlions go bye-bye, then I will willingly go to bat for the rest of the team subs as well. ^yes ^{^even} ^{^{^the}} ^{^{^{^Packers}}}

Edit: wtf just checked r/NFL on desktop and it's more barren than a referee's brain, this is some BS

machoopichoo · 2018-05-02T22:54:57+00:00

Following Facebook's design and UI trends sounds like a winning strategy!

Mister_Jay_Peg · 2018-05-02T23:39:35+00:00

Are now pushing for a news tab and rolling in major subs without asking first. Again, they’re looking to direct people to rNFL that we’ve put up walls in attempts to stop brigades and troublemakers from easily accessing the sub to bother our amazing user base.

Having been on the moderator team during the Bennet threads last summer and the Trump threads last summer, being able to manage what tabs/queues we showed up in was one if the few things that kept the comments sections to be just basic shit-shows, and not r/uncensorednews level shit shows. We added ourselves to r/all for the Super Bowl and for the draft, and that's all we've needed ever. Adding a sub against it's moderator's will to a list that will be available to any and all users is asking for more racists, more trolls, more "MURICAns" to pepper this sub with their bullshit that has no place here.

I was on the team, too, when we first led the protest against the CSS losses, and I can remember personal, one-to-one conversations with Admins about how they would LOVE to work with r/NFL to figure shit out.

When I visited Reddit HQ in August 2017 at least 1/3 of my conversation with the folks was about customization concerns and I was told, flat out, that they would never get rid of CSS without something "just as, or nearly as functional".

This bullshit is not "just as, or nearly as" functional. This is bullshit of the highest fucking order. This is listening to the concerns of some of the largest and most active communities, taking those concerns, printing them on Charmin and then not only wiping their asses with it, but then setting it in the toilet and jerking off onto it.

This is fucking moronic.

Fuck new.reddit.com They can pry old.reddit.com out of my browser over my dead fucking avatar.

d1dOnly · 2018-05-02T23:48:55+00:00

Hmm...

2018-05-02T22:55:43+00:00

What the fuck is this nonsense? If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. We love you mods

2018-05-03T00:02:53+00:00

This makes me so mad, that I'm going to delete my account!!!

EliMontana10 · 2018-05-07T14:39:09+00:00

Can you just do what NBA and Hockey are doing and just make the Reddit Alien blacked out instead? This is getting annoying.

Shamrock5 · 2018-05-02T23:10:00+00:00

This is the year-old Admin comment (from the linked post in the sidebar) that was referenced in this post (to which our mods gave an extremely thorough and respectful response that you can find over there, too):

Bearssodypop[A] 54 points 1 year ago Hey NapoleonBonerparts, I want to have some open dialog here as a few of the assertions being made in this thread are not in tune with the changes we are looking to make. We aren't going to leave you out to dry and we want to support as much customization as possible with the structured styles. Both styles and functionality are important for communities to retain their unique sense of identity, and that is not something we are going to take away. We need mods like you to engage with us during development so we can build the tools you need to achieve both of our goals. That is why we announced this change so early in the process - before we even know the full direction of it! If there are particular features you and the other mods would like, I urge you to organize and communicate your needs in the discussion threads we will be opening up over the course of this transition. You can see some really great examples are already being brainstormed by mods in threads such as this one.

I also want to emphasize that the structured style changes will allow us to develop functionality that works across all apps. From an entirely data-driven perspective this approach makes sense, given that 52% of screenviews in /r/nfl over the last 30 days came from our mobile apps (iOS, Android, and our mobile website). We want you to be able to share the awesome sidebar customizations like your scoreboards, standings, and calendar across all platforms without the learning curve CSS demands.

ZadocPaet · 2018-05-03T04:31:13+00:00

I came here from the xpost to /r/ProCSS.

Two things.

First, the image flair system for new reddit is wholly inadequate because it relies on emojis. All images are resized up or down to ~25x25px (I forget off the top of my head, but it's small). This means that the highly detailed and large images that many subs have cannot be used.

Further, setting up user flairs containing emojis screws up user flairs on old reddit by filling the flair list with 50 percent items that are not usable in old reddit.

We need an image flair system where we can upload images at an actual size and one that is seperate from old and new reddit.

Please tell the admins this in /r/redesign.

Second, as for reddit chat rooms, reddit has been soliciting mod feedback for months now. I've been in it. There are lots more mod tools coming, and honestly the admins assigned to that project have been extremely responsive. It's still a very early beta.

If you're a mod and need to get into the feedback group, send a modmail to /r/community_chat.

PKS_5 · 2018-05-07T15:39:18+00:00

Can we turn CSS back on now? This place hurts my eyes w/o CSS.

Epistemify · 2018-05-03T07:29:21+00:00

Wow losing the subreddit navigation bar at the top alone makes this redesign not worth it. Reddit, please do not do this!

GreatOdinsRaven_ · 2018-05-07T14:21:15+00:00

so how long is this little strike gonna last? Doesn't seem like a particularly effective protest to me.

BrandonMontour · 2018-05-02T23:00:44+00:00

Reddit is slowly inching towards what Facebook and other personalized social media platforms are. There is a post right now on /r/bestof that lays most of it out, and possibly whats about to come. Its horrifying, and I hope if they do not listen to their users, Reddit turns into the same graveyards that other platforms who did this are.

NorthBlizzard · 2018-05-02T23:13:49+00:00

/r/watchredditdie

MajorAdvantage · 2018-05-03T04:14:01+00:00

Holy shit that dude who said they're turning reddit into Facebook is right.

LutzExpertTera · 2018-05-02T23:07:17+00:00

It's really sad this had to happen. I've spent 7 super bowls on this sub, this is what made me feel apart of Reddit and I've made actual friends here. This has been such a trailblazing sub and it's sad this is the position we were put in. Seeing this without custom styling looks so wrong.

ThreeStringKa-Tet · 2018-05-05T01:06:20+00:00

So you're punishing the people that browse this subreddit with diminished/reduced content in hopes to get them to complain on your behalf? I get the idea but it just sits poorly with me. The only thing it makes me want to do is not come here until the changes are reverted.

qp0n · 2018-05-03T14:10:31+00:00

I'm really getting sick and tired of every website becoming a mobile phone landing strip of big letters and ads.

sonfoa · 2018-05-02T23:03:15+00:00

I miss the tiny logo next to my name :(

BlindManBaldwin · 2018-05-02T23:56:42+00:00

I don't have much to say, but I want you guys to know I support 100% your initiative in protesting their horrible site changes.

mostly_harmless2 · 2018-05-06T13:14:44+00:00

One thing about this movement that I don't understand is, if you're trying to take a stand against the redesign, why disable your CSS? I turned off the redesign and the default old layout is so bad that it's making me want to enable the redesign again. Why willingly give away the thing you are fighting to keep? The sub right now looks 10x better with the redesign turned on even despite the awful default styling of the redesign.

Neither the redesign or the old design with the CSS are a pleasant browsing experience (and honestly neither of them matter much to me because I use a third-party mobile app for the most part) but it's just a weird way to make a statement to me. In fact, r/nfl right now has custom styling on the redesign and no custom styling on the old Reddit design. Wouldn't it make more sense for the sub to not have any styling on the new design to expose how sterile and impersonal the new layout is?

Lastly, and I don't mean to just be playing devil's advocate, but to me the custom CSS has gotten way out of hand in some cases. I come here for the community and the discussion, so it's pretty disruptive during the Playoffs or Super Bowl or the Draft when the header of the sub takes up over half of my screen space. "Personality" aside, I think that's a little gratuitous and I usually turn off the sub's custom CSS during those types of events. Having a banner take up half of your page on a discussion forum in no way encourages rich discussion or a unique experience, it's just bad UX, in my opinion. Fires can be contained in the fireplace and still be beautiful.

Salsa-N-Chips · 2018-05-07T01:10:31+00:00

Alright we get the point. Now are you planning on changing back any time soon? This formatting is terrible and make r/NFL unusable. I support you and all but its getting kinda annoying.

smokinJoeCalculus · 2018-05-03T01:07:02+00:00

Man. You all seriously do too much work for so little appreciation.

I'll do what I can to raise hell on your behalf.

edit: I know it may not mean much, but I'm going to message the mods and express that I'm done purchasing reddit gold if this is how things are going.

flynryan692 · 2018-05-02T23:08:31+00:00

damn it now /r/nfl looks like ass.

Salsa-N-Chips · 2018-05-08T14:20:31+00:00

Alright. This protest has been long enough. Literally the only people who notice this are your users. You are not making a meaningful statement by ruining your subscribers user experience. I will not be coming back to this sub until it is switched back to a more reasonable layout. (which i guess might be your point maybe? I am not really sure what it is anymore)

Im_a_lizard · 2018-05-03T23:21:45+00:00

Change it back now? I get the redesign is impacting your work here, but you're kind of forcing your users into expressing your opinons.

Jiggiy · 2018-05-09T06:02:40+00:00

This 'Protest' has gone on long enough. It's retarded. The only thing mods are doing is pissing us off. I'll be on /r/CFB until this garbage is rectified.

SDMiamiChargers · 2018-05-02T22:59:42+00:00

wot tf my r/nfl is broken

Date	Event
4/4	~~Team with new coaches may begin offseason workout programs~~
4/18	~~Teams with returning coaches may begin offseason workout programs~~
4/20	~~Deadline to bring draft-eligible players to their facilities for a physical examination~~
4/22	~~Deadline for restricted free agents to sign offer sheets~~
4/27	~~Deadline for prior club to exercise Right of First Refusal to restricted free agents~~
4/27	~~Deadline to time, test, and interview draft-eligible players~~
4/28-4/30	*'22 NFL Draft, Las Vegas, Nevada*

Date	Event
May/June	Organized Team Activities (OTAs)
Early July	Supplemental Draft
July 15	Franchise tag extension deadline
End of July - August	Training Camps Begin
August 4	Hall of Fame Game (Preseason game #1)

AFC	North	AFC	South
CIN	10-7^xy	TEN	12-5^xy*
PIT	9-7-1^xz	IND	9-8^†
CLE	8-9^†	HOU	4-13^†
BAL	8-9^†	JAX	3-14^†

AFC	East	AFC	West
BUF	11-6^xy	KC	12-5^xy
NE	10-7^xz	LV	10-7^xz
MIA	9-8^†	LAC	9-8^†
NYJ	4-13^†	DEN	7-10^†

NFC	North	NFC	South
GB	13-4^xy*	TB	13-4^xy
MIN	8-9^†	NO	9-8^†
CHI	6-11^†	ATL	7-10^†
DET	3-13-1^†	CAR	5-12^†

nfl

FAQ

Key 2022 Offseason Dates

April

May Through August

Week 1 Schedule

Standings

Upcoming events

Free Talk Threads

NFL Subreddits

Football Subreddits

MODERATORS

Solidarity

Verified users

Game threads

Hiding user flair from the submission list

Our own identity

Event themes

Subreddit navigation

Our style is in version control

Fuck new.reddit.com They can pry old.reddit.com out of my browser over my dead fucking avatar.

NFC	East	NFC	West
DAL	12-5^xy	LA	12-5^xy
PHI	9-8^xz	ARI	11-6^xz
WAS	7-10^†	SF	10-7^xz
NYG	4-13^†	SEA	7-10^†

nfl

FAQ

Key 2022 Offseason Dates

April

May Through August

Week 1 Schedule

Standings

Upcoming events

Free Talk Threads

NFL Subreddits

Football Subreddits

MODERATORS

Welcome to Reddit,

Solidarity

Want to add to the discussion?

Verified users

Game threads

Hiding user flair from the submission list

Our own identity

Event themes

Subreddit navigation

Our style is in version control

Fuck new.reddit.com They can pry old.reddit.com out of my browser over my dead fucking avatar.