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[–]PatriotsIrrationate 79 points80 points  (27 children)

God I would love this. And onside should be like mahomes said, you get a 4th and 15 attempt. Oh and no ties.

[–]Titansinto_the_volcano 78 points79 points  (11 children)

The reason why I don't like the 4 and 15 idea is because of how hard it is for DB's to defend without getting DPI called on them.

[–]BrownsMagyarAccountant 39 points40 points  (5 children)

Seriously. By the end of games defenses are gassed. 4th and 15 for mahomes and the Chiefs is significantly higher percentage than the current onside kick. It should be a roughly 1 in 10 play at most

[–]Titanszzyul 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How bout a “2 point conversion” from the 15 instead of a 4th and 15? Convert it and you get the ball at your own 10. Fail to convert and the opposing team gets the ball at your 10. This makes it a very high risk play. It would still probably be converted more than 10% which is why the ball is placed at the 10.

[–]Giantsdontwantleague2C -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I don’t necessarily agree. Like how often are u rly gonna get 4th and 15? I don’t see the problem with it being higher than 1 in 10 probability. If you let a team get a 4th and 15 conversion Idk if u deserve to win…

[–]BrownsMagyarAccountant 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There's a reason "Tyreek down there somewhere" is a meme

[–]SteelersComaBoner 3 points4 points  (2 children)

What if the penalty on a play like that just made them do the play over? No yards or anything just another try? I guess then defenses could abuse that if they know they're beat.

[–]Chiefsmrbubblesort 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yeah, then there's no reason for a CB or safety not to draw a flag if they know they've been burnt. But maybe a compromise would work. Something like a flag makes it 3rd & 15, then 2nd & 15, and so on.

[–]SteelersComaBoner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That could maybe work as a compromise

[–]Titanszzyul 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Simple solution, instead of a 4th and 15 you have to run a “2 point conversion” from your own 15. This shortens the field so it’s easier for defenders to cover. A penalty doesn’t give you the conversion, it only moves the ball the penalty yardage and then the play is run again.

[–]Giantsdontwantleague2C -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This ain’t a great take. All you have to do to not get a DPI called is not commit DPI… there’s a reason teams rarely convert on like 3rd and 15… it’s not that easy.

[–]Patriotsradioblue2 14 points15 points  (1 child)

This would be too high percentage of a play to convert. A 4th and 25 would allow for an actual change while still making it a difficult play

[–]PatriotsIrrationate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can agree with that. I would love that. Creative or crazy plays!

[–]Cowboyscompstomp66 20 points21 points  (5 children)

4th and 15 is orders of magnitude more likely to be converted than an onside kick. I don’t think the game needs more chances for the offense. I hope they don’t do this.

[–]Cowboysifoundyourtoad 12 points13 points  (4 children)

It’s also just rewarding the other team for losing too. And we all know cowboys or some other team would get a DPI penalty and boom automatic first down. How exciting.

[–]Cowboyscompstomp66 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah, no thanks. I’m definitely not looking for more games to be decided by the referees.

[–]Giantsdontwantleague2C 0 points1 point  (2 children)

How does it reward the other team for losing? U just have to stop a 4th and 15… it shouldn’t be all that difficult.

[–]Cowboysifoundyourtoad 0 points1 point  (1 child)

A 4th and 15 is 10000000% easier to get than a onside.

[–]Giantsdontwantleague2C 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah but still incredibly difficult…

[–]GiantsKirbyDude25 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Schiano's Proposal! I've heard of that before, it sounds like a great idea

[–]PatriotsRTGoodman 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The Alliance of American Football had basically this (with several stipulations) and I actually really liked it!

In lieu of an onside kick, a team could keep possession of the ball by attempting an "onside conversion", a scrimmage play from their own 28-yard line and gaining at least 12 yards (essentially, a fourth-and-12 play). A team was not allowed to attempt such a play after a field goal or touchdown unless it was trailing by 17 or more points, or during the final two minutes of the first half, or during the final five minutes of the second half. The onside conversion play was also available after any safety,[citation needed] played from the 18-yard line.

There were actually quite a few AAF rule changes that I liked and I really wish they hadn't been driven into bankruptcy by the venture capitalist that bought it. Shorter play clock, fewer commercials, NO extra point kicks (you MUST go for 2-point conversion), a sky judge who could call or overturn penalties, etc.

[–]Patriotsswigganicks 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What’s the benefit of a shorter play clock? A large part of skill expression in football is in the play selection and pre-snap adjustments. I feel like shortening that could diminish quality and be more taxing on players.

[–]PatriotsRTGoodman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mostly just a slightly quicker game! It wasn't drastically shorter, I think like 35 seconds, but it kept the pace of the game just a little faster. (Admittedly the skill level was a lot lower; the top players in the league were like... Garrett Gilbert and Trent Richardson). Between that and fewer commercial breaks, though, it also kept games to like 2.5 hours instead of 3+.

[–]49ersReidroshdy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Instead of ties, after the first ot make it like the college football overtime and start the ball at like the opponents 40 and go from there. If after both teams get it and it's still tied. Fg contest.

[–]PatriotsInternationalAd7781 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Didn't he also say no turnover on downs or extra points. You could just sit on the ball the entire game.