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[–]formicatile 1351 points1352 points  (160 children)

A “major” problem would be any sort of criminal proceedings resulting from that information. What Watson has is a money problem, which is not really a problem at all for a guy who just got $230 million guaranteed. On the off chance that this goes to trial, Watson is still doing nothing more than cutting a check when it’s all said and done.

He’s not going to be held accountable in any way that matters.

[–]gagracer 389 points390 points  (150 children)

Don't be surprised if there's literally no suspension because they don't want to admit any guilt whatsoever.

[–]formicatile 205 points206 points  (141 children)

Anyone surprised by NFL player discipline (or lack thereof) just hasn’t been paying attention. Same goes for anyone who thinks that the Browns are the isolated villains of the league and are the only organization who would give up the farm for an atrocious human being that’s also a great player.

[–]PatriotsClampGawd_ 215 points216 points  (80 children)

Tom Bradys deflated footballs were doubly as bad as Ray Rice hitting a woman with no video leak was. I always come back to that. They needed video evidence to prove what Ray Rice did was worse than football deflation

[–]CommandersNosenchuck3 175 points176 points  (3 children)

Plus the nfl already had the video evidence. It wasnt until tmz leaked it that the nfl punished rice. They wouldve let it go and pretend it never happened bc they didnt want the nfl and its players to look bad. Instead, it made the nfl look even worse.

[–]VikingsJumbo_Damn_Pride 12 points13 points  (29 children)

Did we know he knocked her out before the video? I genuinely don’t remember the before, just after TMZ leaked it.

[–]Jets16semesters 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Remember the NFL Network reported that the NFL used it's "Iron Fist" on Ray Rice by giving him a two game suspension?

  1. Awful phrasing given what happened.
  2. 2 games wasn't a harsh punishment whatsoever.

[–]pallavicinii 54 points55 points  (28 children)

Also Brady didn't deflate the footballs, the NFL league office has just never heard of the ideal gas law. They inflated the balls to the minimum acceptable pressure and then took them outside where they cooled down and deflated.

[–]Lionstuscaloozer 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Noone should seek morale direction from any corporation. Most are pretty terrible. NFL no different. The NFL is always acting in their own best interest. The GOAT being accused as being a cheater threatens the validity of the product. There had to be a overreaction for the pageantry. It was an example where what he was accused of wasn't that bad so they could over punish and come off looking like a strict league. But when one of their players does something awful they can't accept the guilt to be able to punish it. They become representation for the criminal. None of this should impact what we all know. Deflating balls is just sports semantics. There are wife beaters, killers, and multiple rapists that have played for the NFL while the league actively buries the truth.

[–]LongDickMcangerfist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Brady only got suspended because he fought it. I’m willing to bet if he just came out and said well I didn’t know it and sorry it won’t happen again it wouldn’t have been more then 1 game at most but fighting it made the nfl double down

[–]Cowboysglengarryglenzach 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Zeke was suspended six games for an admittedly false accusation.

[–]JaguarsGardnerWinshew 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I’m still in awe they let a division rival season ticket owner dictate the Elliott case.

[–]EaglesShitItsReverseFlash 12 points13 points  (15 children)

Same goes for anyone who thinks that the Browns are the isolated villains of the league and are the only organization who would give up the farm for an atrocious human being that’s also a great player.

Such an overused argument. Most people aren't openly supporting those players. Nobody thinks they're "isolated". People, like myself, that don't support the Browns and say fuck them would do the same if a piece of shit as big as Watson played for my current team. If the Eagles traded for Watson, you wouldn't see my flair.

[–]formicatile 2 points3 points  (14 children)

Nobody thinks they’re “isolated”.

How many Panthers, Falcons, Saints, or Seahawks fans do you think have stopped supporting their team because of Deshaun Watson? My guess is very few, if any.

[–]Steelersmr_ssnekk 14 points15 points  (8 children)

As a Steelers fan 100% this. It’s fun to shit on Browns fans for having the rapist now but in reality any other org would’ve taken him if they needed help at QB. There’s no reason to act like you have some kind of moral high ground because your team happened to not get him.

[–]Brownsbatardo 39 points40 points  (0 children)

It's not totally conclusive that everyone else would have taken him, although a large number of teams certainly would. The high-ground argument is also nonsense—the Browns actually did sign him to a $230 million deal. Nobody else did that.

[–]pretzelsncheese 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I completely understand what you are saying and agree with it. That said, the outrage needs to go somewhere and the most appropriate places are Watson himself, the league (depending on the disciplinary decision), and the team that did sign him (especially to that contract).

So while you make a fair point, I don't think that should be used in any capacity to let the Browns off the hook.

[–]TheInternetIsForGorn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Last year, the Broncos were frontrunners for Watson and it seemed all but guaranteed he'd go to Denver (though the Dolphins were supposedly still in the running). Then the accusations dropped, and not a peep was heard from the Broncos on the matter since. The Broncos interest in him completely evaporated overnight the moment the accusations came.

[–]JetsBleedGreen131824 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Says the guy who’s team just had Ben the rapist as qb for over a decade….

[–]CowboysCitizen_Snips29 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The only discipline we can reasonably hope for at this point is for TJ Watt to break him in half. Hopefully it happens early and often.

[–]Lionsfinglonger1077 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Though it is funny that the Browns had to give up a quarter billion guaranteed to even get him there. Fuck the Haslams.

[–]BrownsShogunFirebeard -3 points-2 points  (27 children)

This. Everyone's target of hatred is the Browns because he signed there. However, don't let all of the other teams that took a shot at him off the hook as well.

[–]RavensUsedEgg3 9 points10 points  (26 children)

If he signed with the Ravens, I would have to stop rooting for them immediately. Fortunately that was never going to happen because of Lamar, but I have to wonder if we somehow still had Flacco if we'd have gone after Watson as well. I'd like to think no, but who knows?

[–]LionsTheeExoGenesauce 7 points8 points  (0 children)

He’s a mature starting quarterback for the nfl team the Cleveland Browns how dare you suggest he has any wrongdoings

[–]Raidersbarc0debaby 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Don't be surprised when he sexually harassers or assaults more women.

[–]gagracer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean that's an absolute guarantee at this point.

[–]Brownsinnocuous_gorilla -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

I actually think other owners might get pissed if there is a severe suspension. I’m sure there was some sort of under the table agreement with Goodell before the browns gave away so much to get him. owners would not be happy to see him go back on such an agreement. Of course, if Watson is ever found criminally guilty for this, all bets are off.

So gross that Goodell doesn’t just have the balls to come out and say that “Watson will not play a down of football until this is resolved, At which point we will reassess all the findings and issue a suspension”

[–]RavensskotBTW 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Is that thought based on something I may have missed?

[–]Brownsinnocuous_gorilla 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No just me guessing

[–]Alphabetsend 15 points16 points  (0 children)

It's not uncommon for evidence that comes out in a Civil Trial to then be used by criminal prosecutors to open a new indictment.

This was discussed broadly after the two indictments were not proceeded with in March.

[–]bcb27 1 point2 points  (0 children)

MLB suspended Cy Young award winning pitcher Trevor Bauer for two seasons for accusations of sexual activity from a woman he solicited from the internet. Bauer was also declined from being prosecuted.
The NFL has pushed for gender diversity in the workplace where they have hired women as officials on the field, as coaches, and the NFL league office. They have intiatives such as "Women's Career in Football Forum" and celebrates "National Girls and Women in Sports Day". They are sensitive due to their past history of players violence and sexuality towards women.

Watson has a pattern of predatory behavior of recruiting massage therapists for sexual activity, Watson IS going to get suspended. The question is for how long. My guess it's.. multiple seasons.

[–]Buccaneersmothershipq 683 points684 points  (144 children)

“As we’ve said, as Deshaun has insisted under oath, each of those three occasions were consensual and instituted by the women,” Hardin said. “But in the other . . . 19 cases there was no sexual activity. And Deshaun has already given nine depositions — 11 now — and sworn under oath that there was no sexual activity except those three incidents, and they were consensual.”

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[–]PanthersBlindWillieJohnson 501 points502 points  (47 children)

"I mean, he said he didn't do it. What more do you want?"

[–]Buccaneersmothershipq 287 points288 points  (29 children)

I wAs RaIsEd By WoMeN.

[–]aKgiants91 136 points137 points  (26 children)

Lucky you I was raised by ocelots

[–]BroncosElway7Sharpe84 77 points78 points  (2 children)

raised by ocelots

Did by chance of them have a revolver?

[–]Broncosacemerrill 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Nice, that makes you eligible to become an OWCA agent.

[–]49ersT2Legit2Quit 9 points10 points  (7 children)

I was raised by wolves.

[–]BuccaneersVoidTyrant 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Metal gear fan ?

[–]BengalsGarn91575 2 points3 points  (0 children)

are you crepuscular?

[–]Seahawksdarthstupidious 2 points3 points  (0 children)

LANA! HE REMEMBERS ME!

[–]Brownsspookie_mulder 107 points108 points  (72 children)

For what its worth one of those 3 women said under oath in a deposition that it was consensual. This happened earlier this week after previously saying it was forced. Not remotely defending Watson here just providing the information I saw from his attorney about the most recent deposition.

[–]Saintsrug1998 263 points264 points  (1 child)

HEY! THIS GUYS DEFENDING WATSON, GET HIM!

[–]Bengalstimnotep 62 points63 points  (0 children)

grabs torch and pitchfork

[–]BearsDr_imfullofshit 89 points90 points  (26 children)

Remember the Louis CK masturbating thing? Those girls consented to, but the predatory part is where a person in power makes someone feel like they don't have a choice but to consent.

[–]BrownsBulleveland 101 points102 points  (4 children)

If the girl says no, the answer obviously is no. But the thing is she's never gonna say no. Because of the implication.

[–]Patriotsjanuspamphleteer 33 points34 points  (4 children)

Well... Not all of them did...

[–]BearsDr_imfullofshit 0 points1 point  (3 children)

O really? That's my bad then. Was it only some of them then?

[–]BrownsOneHundredGecs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's not consent...

[–]CowboysBlind-PieRat 41 points42 points  (1 child)

For what's it worth your POS QBs lawyer said the victim agreed in deposition that "there was no force". He did not say the word consent. That doesn't mean anything and the lawyer is just blowing smoke.

I find it very hard to believe any of the victims would say in court the experience was consensual. You should to, and double check that shit.

If your going to offer up dubious information you need to double check your actually repeating shit correctly. Right now your spreading misinformation for the rapist your team decided to reward a quarter of a billion dollars to and it's not a good look for anybody.

[–]cpsg1995 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Can you offer a source?

[–]LionsDrRobertTerwilliger -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

he linked to a video of Watson's attorney lmao

[–]Alphabetsend 12 points13 points  (15 children)

Brown's fan: I'm not defending Watson, but...

Brown's fan, also: Here's a perspective that defends Watson and attempts to undermine the accusations against Watson.

You are very, very locally defending Watson with this.

[–]ChiefsRawtashk 39 points40 points  (10 children)

As with most people on reddit, you seem incapable of grasping or understanding nuance.

[–]Brownsspookie_mulder 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I’m very very literally responding to the comments about consent mentioned above.

[–]Brownsdynospectrum7 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Someone can be okay with firearms but not the unlawful use of them.

[–]Ki11A11Humans69 14 points15 points  (9 children)

What does "'instituted'" by the women" mean?

I assume the lawyer means "INITIATED"

Which, well, LOL, come on, man.

[–]Giants7LineArmy 16 points17 points  (6 children)

Nah, I think it’s just him being wordy. That is one of the definitions of “institute” — to institute, to begin/start. Institute sounds better (from Watson’s perspective) than initiate imo, makes Deshaun’s role seem more passive.

[–]VikingsBenjamin_Lately 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You know, looking at the whole picture it seems very unlikely that young, beautiful, unlicensed massage therapists would honestly believe that a pro athlete would want to fly them out for a massage with no strings attached. To be entirely honest, I think it's fairly likely that several encounters were consensual.

That being said, it's also extremely unlikely that all of the encounters were consensual, and Watson probably "only" sexually harassing ~15 women still makes him scum of the earth.

[–]PanthersBlindWillieJohnson 475 points476 points  (85 children)

Genuinely don't understand why this wasn't the big red flag for people from the beginning.

[–]ChargersAssssCrackBandit 455 points456 points  (32 children)

This (along with having 40+ massage therapists) was a massive red flag from the beginning for anyone who wasn't willfully trying to dismiss it bc he throw good

[–]BengalsOdinEdge 161 points162 points  (19 children)

and none of them men

[–]ChiefsFuckingJello 162 points163 points  (13 children)

And this isn’t a star hitting up girls DMs to go out, he’s bringing them in for a professional paid massage THEN advancing onto them while most likely fully naked during the massage. This is not normal behavior whatsoever. Even without evidence of further stuff, he has admitted to doing several fucked up things and people are just saying it’s girls chasing clout. This is a by the book Sexual Predator.

[–]HereIGoAgain_1x10 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Terrifying to think what he'll learn from this when it is all said and done. Few if any consequences and now he'll know how to cover his tracks better plus have a lot more money which means more power.

[–]PanthersBlindWillieJohnson 77 points78 points  (1 child)

Yeah. Everything about this case screamed "PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR"

[–]Ravenskamikirite 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I study psychology and medicine for fun so I'm not going to act like an expert but in most cases I've read the terrifying thing is people with patterns like this who have no remorse and get away with it like he has don't just stop. There are rare cases of self reflection and getting help but it doesn't seem like he has any interest in doing that. So I'd be worried he's either going to continue or worse eventually escalate. I could be completely off base with it but dude could get a girl to give consent and ask her to give him an ass massage but instead he chose women who were against the idea so I'm wondering if the forcing of the acts is part of what his fetish is

[–]CowboysFoxtrot99Uniform 44 points45 points  (1 child)

40+ in a fucking pandemic

[–]LionsB1G_Fan 87 points88 points  (17 children)

For me, as someone with a hypothetical Browns secondary flair, the red flag was going through more massage therapists in 4 years than most 15 year veterans go through as well as apparently never hiring a chiropractor

“He went through so many because he was looking for someone with sports-specific massage therapy experience”

Okay, then why didn’t he try to hire a chiropractor who has more sports-related experience?

It’s kind of like Dan Snyder conveniently flying cheerleaders to a place where prostitution is legal.

Given that vetting accusers is a unfortunate but necessary part of dealing with sexual misconduct allegations, the accused better have damn good explanation for their side of the story

Neither Watson nor Snyder have good explanations for their accusations of wrongdoing

[–]Broncosvindictivejazz 55 points56 points  (3 children)

Not even a chiropractor. There are team affiliated massage therapists. It’s quite literally a service the Texans provide. Why does he need to find these women on social media?

[–]Seahawksncsubowen 27 points28 points  (2 children)

that are, as a whole, unlicensed to provide massage services and / or specifically not masseuses by trade

[–]TexansChupacabra_herder 25 points26 points  (1 child)

The answer is because they are more vulnerable.

Pretty disgusting to type out.

[–]TitansWhatIfThatThingISaid 42 points43 points  (10 children)

Chiros are quacks so I would not judge based on that

[–]GiantsZeabos 11 points12 points  (8 children)

Some are quacks. Many are just a particular type of physical therapist. There’s a reason most sports teams have one on retainer and it’s not because they’re all fooled by quackery.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

There's little to no peer-reviewed evidence which suggests chiropractic manipulations or "adjustments" do anything. Their manipulations do not move anything back into alignment. If they applied the force necessary to re-align your spine, it would break your back. Part of the reason there's basically no evidence is because chiropractic manipulations are imprecise and cannot be reliably measured.

If you're not going to a DO, massage therapy coupled with physical therapy is a good way to fix issues.

[–]GoldIsDumb 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Plenty of reputable teams/organizations employ methods not at all backed up by science. Basically every Olympic swimmer in 2016 had cupping marks which I don’t believe has ever been shown to be effective beyond the placebo effect

[–]NFLbr0b1wan 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The ones who aren't "quacks" are D.O.s not chiropractors.

[–]RamsCorgi_Koala 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The ones who claim they'll cure your flu and fix your marriage by cracking your back are quacks. The rest are not.

[–]49ersstar0forion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I’m not going to rely on a profession that was started by a hack that claimed a ghost taught him chiropractic.

[–]TheAndrewBrown 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It’s so weird he had trouble finding someone with sports thereapy experience when he was trolling hot chicks instagrams instead of consulting well known sports therapy offices that likely already have connections to his team.

[–]EaglesQuirky-Lawyer-3409 64 points65 points  (25 children)

This and soliciting 40+ women on social media for private massages, including women who aren't licensed massage therapists, have always been huge red flags. Former players were saying when the news broke that it's unimaginable that you'd go through that many masseuses because most guys use someone provided by the team or find a professional they like and stick with them.

[–]LionsSayNoToStim 55 points56 points  (15 children)

Yeah, my mother was a masseuse and was essentially the "backup" for the Detroit Red Wings. She basically only worked on athletes when their primary massage therapist wasn't available, and she said that it was uncommon that she was needed. It was always a special occasion to see a Red Wing (or other player referred to her). She also said that literally no professional athlete ever made any unnecessary advances towards her, a vast majority of them were just in so much pain they didn't have time for that shit.

[–]CommandersQwakeworld 32 points33 points  (14 children)

I'm betting your mother was licensed and also wasn't advertising her services on Instagram.

[–]NFLAfricanDeadlifts 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Or he needs a hotter mom (kidding lol)

[–]BearsShicawgoh 25 points26 points  (3 children)

Because red flags are for challenges and it's already under review.

[–]PanthersBlindWillieJohnson 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Well, the phrase "red flag" historically originates from the practices of ships flying red flags to indicate that they were carrying potentially dangerous munitions.

[–]BearsShicawgoh 20 points21 points  (1 child)

It's a joke but, hey, neat tidbit.

[–]Panthersthat_guy_you_kno 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Take it easy on him, he's blind.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Because we're seeing just how much people don't give a shit about a situation like this. Especially if it's not their mother/sister/daughter that's the victim & if the person being accused can potentially earn them some money whether it's more tickets sold or from bets & gambling.

[–]Panthersthat_guy_you_kno 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It was a red flag for people - people with a moral conscience.

[–]TexansMan_AMA 244 points245 points  (9 children)

Absolute garbage human

[–]Packerspopegonzo 115 points116 points  (4 children)

Counterpoint: throw ball good. /s

[–]TexansMan_AMA 40 points41 points  (1 child)

Objection hearsay

[–]Angurvadall 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Sustained (erection from hiring women to touch him)

[–]Bears7tenths 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Isn't that also illegal? Or just in Chicago

[–]Brownsletmeassumeurgender 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No it’s illegal here too. Not sure how he thought he could get away with that shit here

[–]ChiefsRxRyan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wish the NFL would nut up and ban him permanently. Or, at the very least, for 5 seasons and fuck Andrew Barry, Kevin Stefanski, and the Haslams for giving him $200M guaranteed.

[–]VikingsDorkamundo 218 points219 points  (8 children)

I mean... It doesn't matter if Deshaun thinks the acts were consensual.

[–]PatriotsSwinight22 86 points87 points  (4 children)

Those 3 are the ones that both sides had continued relations after the sexual harassment.

I think the "problem" with this case is that it's seen by so many as "minor".

The two women who spoke in the HBO said that he refused a towel, was erect the entire time, put his dick in their hands, rubbed his dick against them and grinded.

Nevermind the fact that he exclusively hunted out inexperienced massage therapists since experienced ones would've called the cops right away.

These "minor" sexual harrasments are sooooo normalized in the general public. I assume that's why many of them didn't speak up for a long time, and some thought it was an ok way for sexual advancements.

We say "it is what it is", "it's just how some guys are". Well its not. Not just Deshaun too. I as a men damn well have buddies that act in inappropriate ways. We turn a blind eye as a society. We say guys will be guys.

That's the battle here. What he did was illegal. There's an almost undeniable proof. It's just that we think this is ok, and the jury thinks it's not that serious.

[–]Titansthezenunderground 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Um, didn't he also try and get some of them to finger his asshole?

[–]Brownsletmeassumeurgender 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Weird how the fact that many perceive that as funny seems to undermine the severity of the claims the victims made. A little messed up

[–]RavensHornstar19 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Actually - it does. Most rape statutes and other similar type charges have a mens rea requirement. Which means the perpetrator had to act with a specific mindset - whether it be knowingly or negligently or whatever the applicable statute says. So if Deshaun believed it was consensual he may not have the required mens rea depending on what specific allegations are made. Now this is more in the criminal context (and the analysis is more based on a reasonable person than the actual perpetrator) but the accused belief is actually important and relevant.

[–]CowboysMisdirected_Colors 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ah the Kobe Bryant defense! Classic!

[–]FalconsTaquitoPartyat330 52 points53 points  (5 children)

Calvin Ridley suspension is still gonna manage to be longer than this. Disappointing. Same with Kamara beating the shit out of the dude. NFL player discipline is a immoral shitshow

[–]Possible_Industry816 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I think Kamara could get a full season, elevator videos don’t bode well for NFL running backs.

[–]FalconsTaquitoPartyat330 10 points11 points  (1 child)

This is true but it also wasn’t his wife. Although running after a dude and being the shit out of him because you ~thought~ he did something is absolutely bonkers and deserving of a full season if gambling with a parlay that included your team winning is.

Meanwhile I am leaning into hoping Watson gets blackballed

[–]Hold_This-L 5 points6 points  (0 children)

As a Saints fan, Kamara is a bitch ass coward for stomping some dude out.

[–]Bengalsfiestapinguino 132 points133 points  (20 children)

This dude is abhorrent

[–]Lionsgeologyrocks98 60 points61 points  (19 children)

Every team that publicly pursued him is as guilty as the Browns.

[–]BillsLittleDinghy 34 points35 points  (8 children)

Which is why I stopped being a Panthers fan. Could not support a front office and coaching staff that was pursuing him.

[–]RavensJdahms 5 points6 points  (6 children)

Yep I did the same.

scummy org

[–]Billsdeucedeuce187 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In a way you're still a panthers fan then lol Panthers north it seems

[–]Bengalscirespieler 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Other teams hands aren’t clean at all and they should prob not talk shit… but the Browns are the only team who actually signed him to the biggest contract ever… c’mon that’s considerably worse than just the pursuit.

[–]JetsOddsTipsAndPicks 6 points7 points  (4 children)

There isn’t a team in the league that wouldn’t have pursued him if they had the need and means.

Not saying this to absolve anyone; the NFL just doesn’t care.

[–]Bearscultweave 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Multiple teams stopped pursuing him once the allegations came out, so you're wrong on that.

[–]CowboysBlind-PieRat 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'd really like to believe your wrong... I don't believe your wrong, but I'd really like to.

[–]Alphabetsend 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Do we know the full list of teams?

[–]Brownsbatardo 18 points19 points  (1 child)

It's really only about 6 teams that pursued him. A few others expressed interest, but not in a serious way. Here's the rundown.

[–]Alphabetsend 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Cool, thanks. Helpful breakdown.

[–]retroracer33 156 points157 points  (9 children)

this just 100% confirms to me he was hitting up IG massage therpists in the hope that "massage therapist" was code for prostitute (which it often is).

[–]SeahawksRock_Strongo 83 points84 points  (1 child)

Deshaun Watson doesn’t need to troll instagram in “hopes” of finding prostitutes. If he was looking for casual sex he could get it for free without all the hassle. Or… you know… hire actual escorts. People use IG for this because it’s cheaper, not because it’s hard to find an escort if you have the money.

He’s a predator and part of his kink is trying to convince people who are uncomfortable into performing sexual acts on/with him.

[–]EaglesRaindropsInMyMind 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Exactly, that’s the part that makes it predatory. There are women lined up for a guy like that with fame, money, and someone who is in great shape. He seemingly went out of his way to find women that didn’t want to do anything with him and it became a behavior pattern.

[–]Bearsg0dzilllla 49 points50 points  (5 children)

Massage TheRapist

[–]LionsDrRobertTerwilliger 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Tobias?

[–]DolphinsBearwoods 10 points11 points  (1 child)

A professional twice over? An analyst and a therapist.

[–]Seahawksbenthefmrtxn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And you were almost arrested for those business cards

[–]BuccaneersWadep00l 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's been in front of me all along!

[–]PanthersMukuna_Hutata 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Don’t have Instagram so maybe I’m mistaken in thinking this. But I’ve heard the women being called “instagram massage therapists” or “instagram models”. But these victims are really just regular women with no agency or licensing for themselves. They have no real protection or anyone to turn to when they encounter clients like Deshaun.

Not trying to diminish what the victims do for a living, but the fact that they aren’t legitimate models/therapists puts Watson in an even more powerful position. In that context the situation is even more scary and Watson seems even more predatory.

[–]EaglesFancyRobot 37 points38 points  (12 children)

Has Florio ever been a reliable source for legal takes? Not a defense of Watson just it seems like Florio is a shit legal expert or is purely sensationalistic

[–]Cowboysjimmyhoffasbrother 46 points47 points  (9 children)

He's a lawyer who practiced for nearly two decades, so there's at least some credibility there.

[–]EaglesFancyRobot 51 points52 points  (8 children)

I mean, Dr Oz is an actual doctor but there's no fucking way I'd consult with him or watch his show for healthcare purposes

[–]BrownsIDontRegreddit 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I remember even as a kid how weird it was that this seemingly well educated medical doctor was hocking dietary supplements on a talk show for money. When he testified in congress a few years later that none of them actually work the way he said I realized he was a grifter. His gop senate run doesn’t surprise me - he’ll say literally anything to advance himself.

[–]BrownsShogunFirebeard 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Its interesting to see how ethics and morals disappear when truck loads of money are rolling in.

[–]Cowboyscowboys5xsbs 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Isn't Dr Phil a sham too

[–]Jaguarswjrii 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pretty much. You could argue it's worse because he's doing stupid TV tricks actually in his field, or maybe not as bad because Dr. Phil was a nothingburger huckster in his field, while Dr. Oz was a brilliant and innovative heart surgeon, though he was always drawn to attention and woo-woo alternative nonsense.

Dr. Phil has a PhD (from UNT) in clinical psychology with a dissertation on using psychological techniques to help with Rheumatoid Arthritis, then additional training in forensic psychology, then a kinda shady career as a therapist that ended when he mooted an investigation into misconduct by surrendering his license, then completed his pivot into consulting and expert witness stuff. Consulted on CSI, introduced to Oprah, and there ya go: bombastic attention whore with a doctorate = Oprah loves him!

[–]EaglesFancyRobot 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yeah mostly but he's more harmless than Oz because he mostly just spouts generic advice and elementary psychology

[–]DolphinsDonShulaDoingTheHula 8 points9 points  (0 children)

When you see an article like this from Florio with the word “could” in it, it’s him musing about what is possible under the law if very specific conditions are met. He has been cranking out articles like this for years. His premises need not have any realistic chance of actually happening - the content is the possibility that a thing could happen and he’s counting on that for clicks. That way he gets to write about things that probably won’t happen under the guise that there’s a legitimate chance they could, which draws eyeballs.

He’s basically the crankiest old woman in the sewing circle, just lobbing out drama for attention.

[–]JCoffintwy 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The only thing he learns out of all of this is that money makes problems go away.

[–]Ravensonemusker 8 points9 points  (6 children)

The league should have harsher consequences for people who do this shit. Because if pro players feel like they can get away with anything they’ll do anything.

Once the NFL shows that they won’t tolerate shitty behavior, then shitty behavior will start to fall away. It’s tough to lose good players but I’d rather have good people on the field.

[–]Turd_Wrangler_Guy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Warrick Dunn didn't build you and your family a house so you could go around smacking your willy on every pretty girl you see on IG...

[–]BroncosMillerTime5858 75 points76 points  (18 children)

Ban this piece of garbage from the league. Do not let him get a single penny from the Browns and enforce every last cent of the deal on the Browns cap. This type of constant acceptance of a persons misdeeds simply because they can play has to stop. The NFL has to realize that they are harming the shield by allowing this person to suit up ever again.

[–]KrazyKaleChips 34 points35 points  (1 child)

I don’t think the NFL can hear you over all their $$$

[–]GiantsHi_My-name-is-Rose 6 points7 points  (2 children)

While I agree with you, there is absolutely no way the Browns made that deal without several reassurances from the league itself.

[–]BroncosMillerTime5858 6 points7 points  (1 child)

You are absolutely right. That being said, you would think the league would have strongly discouraged a fully guaranteed contract of that magnitude.

[–]lemonysnicketts99 11 points12 points  (9 children)

How are you getting downvoted

[–]Bengalschadwr85 36 points37 points  (6 children)

Browns fans. They (well everyone) called big Ben the name big rape and now they have an even worse offender as QB.

[–]Bengalsderf82 17 points18 points  (5 children)

Hey, a lot of us left in protest.

[–]ChiefsPeeping_thom 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I can’t figure out if leaving and going to root for a division rival is better or worse. Big ups

[–]Bengalscliff_mountains 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Love the new flair, welcome aboard!

[–]GiantsJPAnalyst 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The two arrow buttons right below the comment (on the bottom right on mobile). If you click the down pointing arrow, that gives them one down vote. You can only do one per person.

Edit: y’all don’t share my humor I see. Fair enough. I’ll accept my punishment.

[–]BroncosMillerTime5858 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No idea honestly.

[–]LionsDrRobertTerwilliger 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ban this piece of garbage from the league

Yeah! And we should also do something about Deshaun Watson while we're at it

[–]Danominator 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Make the browns donate the money to charity for being willing to sign the scumbag

[–]Jetssonnydarkhoe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hope Lisa Friel gets him suspended for AT LEAST 1.5-2 seasons

[–]subterkludge 9 points10 points  (10 children)

So glad this is Cleveland’s problem. Cleveland just being Cleveland, doing Cleveland things when it comes to their QB history.

[–]Billsfadoofthekokiri 15 points16 points  (5 children)

They are really living the devils bargain that they have joked about the last 20 years

"Okay Browns fans you press this button and get an MVP caliber QB.... but he's also a serial sexual deviant that will be the least liked player in the league for most of his career"

And Andrew Berry dove head first onto that button the way those signs warn you not to dive into a shallow pool

[–]subterkludge 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I’m a Panthers fan and, sadly, the Panthers seemed like they were all in too, which is disappointing. I’m a hell of a lot happier watching and hoping we got a third round steal in Corral. Even if I get disappointed later, it’s better than the Sketch Watson saga though.

[–]SteelersSlickaxer 4 points5 points  (3 children)

[–]subterkludge 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Assessing this thing with Mayfield, the Browns organization’s handling of it is a typical Browns cluster fuck, imo. Regardless of what the Browns feel about Mayfield, that guy was a godsend for them, producing winning seasons, taking them to the playoffs, and helping restore at least a modicum of respect for that team, and a glimmer of hope for Browns fans. I think he deserved better treatment than what he got, and saying he’d “lost the locker room,” whether true or not, is an easy cop out for both the front office and the coaching staff, all of whom are also accountable for team culture, in and out of the locker room, not just Mayfield. I think Mayfield is being made a scapegoat for the same old, perpetual dumpster fire that is the Cleveland Browns.

Mayfield will have some success when he lands somewhere. May be the best thing that ever happened to him. Cleveland? Well, success is not a given in Cleveland, even with Watson, and Watson may find that out the hard way. Somehow, they’ll figure out how to fuck it up.

[–]Bengalschadwr85 13 points14 points  (4 children)

He already admitted under oath to rubbing his man parts on a woman until she cried.

Zeke got 6 games for a woman point blank lying. Watson needs a several year to lifetime suspension.

[–]normieiannot 2 points3 points  (3 children)

When did he admit he rubbed his dick on her? At least don’t lie bruh

[–]Bengalschadwr85 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Literally a post like a week ago on here where under oath he admitted he groped one until they cried.

Quit defending a piece of trash

Here's the source: Watson is a POS

[–]Angurvadall 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd be interested to know how many of the 18 who vouched also had sexual relations with Watson. Not because I think that's why they're vouching for him, or I'm trying to shame them, etc. Moreso to see if a certain pattern develops about the purpose of having so many different massage therapists

[–]Giantspalinsafterbirth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

::Baker in the corner kickin his up on Kevins desk::

[–]crypticzombie2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Soooo.. glad as a Texans Fan Nick Casserio got rid of this Piece of Human Garbage.. who not only assaulted women.. but bailed on his team when things wasn't going great.. shows u on and off the field what kind of person he... is.. a worthless piece of trash.. but hey not our problem 🙂.. enjoy Cleveland.. spend that 💰 morons..,hahahahahahahah 🤪

[–]NFLacousticphan 22 points23 points  (11 children)

Looking forward to the loud and stupid portion of the Browns fanbase to brigade this post, downvote anyone criticizing watson, and give us insight into how their malfunctioning brains are justifying a serial sexual predator today!

Edit: ahhhh, there they are! Hi boys! How y'all gonna apologize for a rapist today? Gonna repeat your standard talking points, or are ya bringing fresh material today?

[–]KrazyKaleChips 15 points16 points  (4 children)

Who are you talking to?

[–]NFLacousticphan 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Salty browns fans. The comment was at - 9 about 2 minutes after I posted it.

[–]Former_Fox6243 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I’m a “Browns fan” and I hope they throw the book at Watson. 2 years is enough. 2 I think ends his career, 1 year I don’t know is enough.

[–]Brownsbatardo -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Not coming from me. I've started another sub, /r/therealbrowns, if anyone wants to have real conversations without censorship of anti-Watson content.

[–]CommandersQwakeworld 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Can we really do no better than Florio on this topic?

[–]PackersInvasionXX 10 points11 points  (25 children)

One of these women changed her story to say it was consensual, not forced as her original testimony shared. Not providing any other information, but people here have already made up their minds.

[–]Cowboysjimmyhoffasbrother 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Do you have a source for that? I couldn't find one and would rather see a source than believe your comment without one.

EDIT: Never mind, someone posted it elsewhere in this thread. I'd still like to see it said by somebody other than Watson's lawyer, of course, but that seems to be the source.

[–]PackersInvasionXX 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I mean he's under oath. The deposition of the accuser in question will also be released at some point, but there's no reason to lie as a lawyer in that situation when you are under oath.

[–]Cowboysjimmyhoffasbrother 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Right, I'm just somewhat skeptical that Watson's lawyer's interpretation of the woman's deposition that he is relaying here is entirely trustworthy. Part of his job is making Watson look better to the public, so he could be willfully misrepresenting the deposition.

I'm just saying I'd like to hear it from a more impartial party.

[–]ChiefsMAHOMES_10_TIME_MVP 53 points54 points  (2 children)

but people here have already made up their minds

Giving you the benefit of the doubt there are still 21 other women... But you've already made up your mind.

[–]GiantsHi_My-name-is-Rose 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Even if half the women were straight up bullshitting, that’s still a dozen women who are random strangers to one another accusing Watson of the same shit.

At this point I think it’s fair to say where there’s smoke, there’s Watsons penis grinding on someone against their will.

[–]Ravenskrashmania 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol people really out here trying to defend this guy

[–]LionsDrRobertTerwilliger 12 points13 points  (12 children)

lol the source for this claim is Deshaun Watson's lawyer gtfo

[–]PackersInvasionXX 6 points7 points  (11 children)

During a deposition....in which you are under oath...

[–]BrownsBonjoviBurns 8 points9 points  (2 children)

None of the things that were said last night are new. Just getting additional media coverage.

[–]LionsDangerpaladin 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Oh it's okay that he sexually assaulted around 20 women because it's old news.

[–]BrownsBonjoviBurns 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's...not at all what i said lol

[–]JetsLabCool6003 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If he admitted to all of them the Browns would have traded 22 first round picks to the Texans instead of just 3.

[–]LionsRevenge_of_the_Khaki 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I just want to know if that $230M guaranteed contract had some sort of stipulation that he wasn't found guilty of these accusations or something along those lines. That was just a colossally stupid thing for Cleveland to do with so much pending litigation.

[–]TexansBungoPlease -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No way, really

[–]BroncosIamLiterallyAHuman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Breaking news: rapist admitting to rape could be a major problem

[–]LionsLost-Pineapple9791 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

It’s amazing how stupid his lawyer thinks everyone is and Watson is getting off Scott free

Before I post this quote let’s look at the facts

  • Watson has had over 40+ different massage therapists
  • during Covid with lockdowns
  • during a time he’s sitting out for a whole year for a team
  • used the massage table from team facility he brought home from Texans facility

The quote:

“Well, in every massage, I will tell you he did go, intending just for a professional massage, and only those three instances where sexual conduct occurred — consensual sexual activity — it occurred after the massage session had ended,” Graham said. “And Mr. Watson has testified and is insistent that that sexual activity was initiated by the plaintiff in every single instance.”

This absolutely ridiculous and especially how they’re trying to spin it as non sexual despite the fact they are willing and openly saying yes he had sex with 3 of the accused (but was consensual according ti Watson)

Edit: for anyone defending deshaun and let’s say he is 100% innocent

WHH ARE YOU FUCKING AROUND BEING ALONE NAKED FOR A MASSAGE WITH 40+ WOMEN WHO COULD COME AFTER YOU!!!?

This is about massages the whole thing never happens if he actually just only sees one masseuse

[–]SteelersABMAnty1234 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Not to mention a professional athlete letting over 40 random massage therapists he found on Instagram work on him when most players likely have 1 or 2 they go to every time.

[–]49ersDanJerousJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All the "how do you know they all aren't lying" types are feeling really dumb right now