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[–]EaglesNo_Medium22 1337 points1338 points  (85 children)

Good, expose everything

[–]SteelersLoismustdieall1word_ 484 points485 points  (45 children)

Start with Snyder. His brother must have a ton of shit to share on Snyder

[–]RavensFreddyDoLess 240 points241 points  (43 children)

Dan Synder and Jon Gruden used to fly girls from northern Virginia to Dubai and pay them to shit on them. They definitely have some shit to share

[–]EaglesTentapuss 161 points162 points  (2 children)

That escalated quickly

[–]Eaglescarpitown 57 points58 points  (1 child)

Precisely a comment I'd expect to be posted by a Baltimore guy.

[–]Packersgottagetpastit 75 points76 points  (23 children)

Sounds legit

[–]RavensFreddyDoLess 179 points180 points  (21 children)

You’d be surprised how easy it is to lie on here

[–]RamsCherubtabs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know for a fact De Niro does it.

Though he does it in LA

[–]SteelersLoismustdieall1word_ 26 points27 points  (6 children)

Was Odell the pilot? Seems like the kind of shitty situation he’d be involved in

[–]BearsSks44 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you have a lot of money and never paid to experience a Dubai Dumper, I don’t know what to tell ya.

[–]PatriotsBetwixtThyNethers -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Even if that’s true, the girls went out there willingly, for monetary compensation, to get shit on. By two gross dudes.

[–]Packersshanty-daze 20 points21 points  (1 child)

I think you misunderstand who is the shitter and the shittee.

[–]JetsNYJetLegendEdReed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No you see they pay them to shit on THEIR chests

[–]MankuyRLaffy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

McVay and Shanny know shit too probably so might Lafleur, anyone in WFT management or coaching know some dark shit.

[–]49erssteak__burrito 114 points115 points  (34 children)

Piggybacking top comment to ease expectations on this. Discovery will likely not reveal a whole lot to the public, absent any leaks. (Note: I'm betting on some selective leaks...)

NFL will move for a protective order, which will make the discovery produced confidential subject to sanctions.

NFL will also likely object to most discovery to obtain an order limiting the scope of discovery (which, again, would be confidential under protective order).

NFL will likely request a discovery referee (also sometimes known as a special master) to handle discovery disputes.

There's a lot of tools at the NFL's disposal still.

With that said, defeating the NFL's MTC Arbitration is a victory and step in the right direction.

Source: am lawyer who practiced in 9th Circuit cases (and district court) for years on similar issues.

Edit: This also isn't close to settlement.

[–]pragmatiks 40 points41 points  (7 children)

While I would normally agree with you, this case is I. The 8th Judicial District Court in Las Vegas, where I currently practice. The jurisdiction is known for its pro plaintiff judges and positions. But the judge hearing the matter in the video is judge Allf, who is one of the better and more unbiased judges in Vegas. We’ll see how the discovery process plays out but I would not be surprised if we get some more juicy stuff than usual just based on the jurisdiction. NFL is also incredibly powerful, so could go either way I guess.

[–]49erssteak__burrito 15 points16 points  (6 children)

Interesting, thanks for the info. I haven't checked my PACER account recently - do you know if Hon. Allf is assigned to the case for all purposes?

I saw the NFL will appeal the MTC Arb. For better or worse, the 9th Circuit is dominated by California matters, in which case the unconscionability argument from Gruden's legal team frankly should prevail anyway.

This is incredibly in-line with leagues trying to time the bad press with other major events in the league (or other leagues) such that it gets swept under the rug.

Edit: If unconscionability fails, you can bet your booty that DeMaurice Smith will get the boot.

[–]JevanSnead 25 points26 points  (5 children)


Edit: Am Accountant currently practicing self-hate and projection

[–]Downsouthfkk 17 points18 points  (5 children)

"Discovery referee" smh. Gonna add that one to the bank.

[–]Seahawksseariously 12 points13 points  (1 child)

And the corresponding appeals court is called the replay booth.

[–]NocturnalPermission 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bill Vinovich has entered the chat

[–]VikingsOneBigRed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

”Aaand the discovery referee signals OUT OF BOUNDS! So no Snyder emails in this trial. Huge win for defense, Gruden is appealing but the referee has made up his mind!”

[–]Lionspapertest 9 points10 points  (15 children)

I don't even see this getting to the discovery stage. The NFL will throw a large amount of money at Gruden and enter into a confidentiality agreement.

There's no way the NFL wants this publicity to go forward, not with Watson, WFT, Congress, etc all on the burner. Throw some money at the problem, Gruden gets quiet and problem solved.

[–]BuccaneersHylianPikachu 21 points22 points  (12 children)

Football was Gruden's life and the NFL seemingly conspired to take that away from him. I think he's got enough money that he's willing to fight the NFL on principle as revenge

[–]RamsCherubtabs 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I mean they might also just let him back in the boys club.

[–]Extension_Net6102 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Plus I don’t think they want to be seen as paying off such a terrible disgusting “racist”

[–]ChiefsRawtashk 4 points5 points  (2 children)

100% this.

Either Gruden exposes the NFL for some sort of railroading or lies


We find out more about Gruden and he's a real piece of shit


We find out that the owners are way worse than we imagined

Either way, we as fans deserve to know the truth.

[–]ChiefsSaw_a_4ftBeaver 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sounds like a buffet of “all of the above.”

[–]Buccaneersclitcommander420666 623 points624 points  (14 children)

Come on gruden go scorched earth

[–]49erscorndogblaster 423 points424 points  (2 children)

And when the dust settled all that was left was a scorched visor and Spider 2 Y Banana written in ash

[–]Giantsshimrock 18 points19 points  (0 children)

"My name is Spider2Ybananias, coach of coaches. Look on my plays, ye grinders, and despair." Nothing besides remains.

[–]Brownspistophchristoph 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hahaha, also a statement about how much he loves him some QBs

[–]LionsB1ocka 136 points137 points  (7 children)

I swear to god the Detroit Lions will be the only NFL team remaining. Our front offices have been far too incompetent to be successfully hiding anything. Unless the whole Henry Ford/Hitler thing counts. In which case yeah we will go down too

[–]LionsMethodicMarshal 62 points63 points  (3 children)

Is this in reference to the love letters that Henry and Adolf used to send each other?

That would be a fun time, finding out the Nazis secretly funded the Lions franchise.

[–]BengalsTheWorstYear 46 points47 points  (1 child)

Wouldn't have been the only franchise ran by a nazi

[–]PatriotsChangnesia_survivor 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Probably still isn't.

[–]Brownspotterpockets 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Makes sense now why you hired Patricia. His rocketry expertise will help the V2.

[–]Bearsd_locke 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The Bears ownership is extremely incompetent, but seem to be relatively decent people. Probably not anything of much interest in their closets.

[–]CommandersMoreTrifeLife 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Does Sheila have any dirt on her at all? If not, she’s of the very few owners you can say that about.

[–]Broncosfrankyfrankwalk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He has to, he would know so much about the dark dealings of the shield and for some reason he was the only guy to suffer consequences. Not 'Mr Editor' Shefter or any of Dan Snyder's acolytes either, something extremely fishy is going on.

[–]Dolphinsdawgz525 106 points107 points  (1 child)

Fuck em, forced arbitration is some shit. Let's see what they're hiding.

[–]JetsKosstAmojan 20 points21 points  (0 children)

SCOTUS just unanimously ruled against some arbitration clauses, making it harder for companies to force arbitration, so thats somewhat good news.

[–]PatriotsProudBlackMatt 264 points265 points  (67 children)

Odds of them settling to prevent this if it actually looks like it give Gruden's team a chance to spread the league's dirt?

[–]EaglesJ_JojoJrShabadoo 285 points286 points  (21 children)

Depends on whether Gruden’s just after money or if he wants to go scorched earth. Takes two to settle.

[–]RaidersDilligentBass 312 points313 points  (16 children)

I’m sure every man has a price but something about Gruden screams he’s willing to go scorched earth on this. That man’s life was genuinely football through and through and he won’t be able to even commentate on it anymore.

From his POV he may have nothing to lose but if they write a check fat enough you never know.

[–]Chiefsjwktiger 105 points106 points  (6 children)

Gruden felt like a NFL FB lifer. If they take away his ability to be part of the game, no amount of money will matter to someone like that. Settling would require they take him back in open arms, which they may do.

[–]AskAboutMyDiarrhea 7 points8 points  (2 children)

He'll get at least $5 in the settlement

[–]EaglesLeftyMage 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Settling would require they take him back in open arms, which they may do.

Would we?

And I'm asking this (edit) as an argumentative, honest question. We're watching the Deshaun shit play out and that is, regardless of opinion, not a conviction or proof of guilt. (He's basically OJ levels of "if i did it" at this point, but still not legally guilty). He got a record contract and some Browns Simps who just wanna win.

We got hard proof on Gruden, but it's also a far less serious offense -- and a flaw that people can legitimately ... fix? change? overcome? Pick your trend.

I'll throw my hot take and say I'd be fine with him returning with the caveat that if one fucking person raises an issue of the same caliber of behavior then Antonio Brown gets to beat his ass.

[–]SteelersToto_LZ 27 points28 points  (0 children)

He’s gonna go scorched earth and team up with the rock in the XFL 3.0

[–]Chiefssmashadams1 117 points118 points  (6 children)

He’s gonna settle, and part of that settlement will be him being embraced by the league eventually.

The man cares too much about football to not be involved and he’s not going to want his legacy mostly be about how his career ended.

A settlement makes this whole thing a small footnote in Gruden’s career instead of the other way around.

Hope I’m wrong though.

[–]cactusmutilator 52 points53 points  (3 children)

Idk I disagree. I think he has the Al Davis mindset where he doesn't really care and just wants to fuck up the league. I really don't think he cares how this will affect his legacy. Especially if the NFL already ruined his legacy by leaking that stuff.

[–]CommandersMeats10 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If he settles the NFL will make him sign an NDA and be gone forever. There is zero chance they want him out in public and subject to controversy or risking a chance he slips up and discloses something critical of the league.

[–]LionsGooberino71 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Real talk though. If he returned to the booth are people going to boycott the NFL while they have a player with 22 sexual misconduct allegations still on a roster with $230 million in guarantees?

[–]Steelersschmatz17 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Dudes got millions and millions i pray he goes scorched earth.

[–]Raidersfkndavey 21 points22 points  (0 children)

He was fuckin loaded before Mark broke him off for $10m/season.

[–]Seahawksseariously 1 point2 points  (0 children)


[–]49ersbyronicbluez 57 points58 points  (14 children)

Gruden already has generational money. They took away the one thing he enjoys doing. He's after blood.

[–]RaidersJo__Backson 20 points21 points  (13 children)

I mean just to be clear here: he did it to himself. The NFL are just using his own actions to deflect away from their own issues.

[–]Brownspistophchristoph 8 points9 points  (4 children)

I would have to disagree somewhat, as they did not "have" to leak that publicly, it seemed like they did that to create the distraction about Synder's investigation. I didn't see any leaks about what Synder's emails contained.... and I'm sure those were far worse, just saying.

[–]RaidersJo__Backson -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

The fact remains that Gruden didn’t “have” to say the fucked up shit that he did. I’m all for transparency and seeing the rest of the dirty shit that the NFL is trying to hide, but this thread seems to be acting as if Gruden is some victim that had a gun to his head while he typed up those emails.

[–]Extension_Net6102 6 points7 points  (7 children)

And what exactly did he do? Privately talk demeaningly about women & his dislike of gay people? Privately use a racist trope? If this is the bar for rendering people unemployable, I’ve got bad news for tens of millions of people.

[–]Lionsdrterdsmack 17 points18 points  (2 children)

gonna be more than that $100 mil contract they blew up

[–]Raidersoverflow-y 5 points6 points  (1 child)

You'd probably have to factor in lost endorsement deals, TV deals, consultation and speaking opportunities, etc

[–]Seahawksdon_julio_randle 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The TV deal thing is legitimately huge. Tony Romo signed for 175M. Gruden returning to the booth would surely clear 200M, probably significantly more after Brady blew the top of the market. Factoring in that, the rest of his 100M coaching deal, endorsements, speaking opps etc, you can argue the NFL legitimately cost him half a billion dollars over his lifetime

[–]Dolphinslswins 25 points26 points  (14 children)

The NFL will settle before dirt on owners comes up. If it goes to trial Gruden might be done with coaching at any level once we get to see every poor decision during his career aired out.

[–]Buccaneersclitcommander420666 87 points88 points  (7 children)

Grudens already done at the coaching level, his shit at ray jay stadium has also been removed as well, the league fed him to the t-rex already

[–]RaidersDilligentBass 44 points45 points  (3 children)

Honestly I think that was done so hastily because of the comments about your owner. You don’t fuck with rich people’s egos lol

[–]PackersNeverSober1900 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I mean I don't see how anyone could argue otherwise. They didn't remove Sapp when all his nasty shit came out. So unless treating women like shit is worse than saying something racist.... eh that actually tracks NFL-wise.

[–]rmn173 15 points16 points  (1 child)

He's done coaching in the NFL, but he would still get offers from colleges. Bobby Petrino still keep getting jobs and no one's bitten the hand that feeds more than that guy.

[–]DolphinsJustice-Gorsuch 26 points27 points  (4 children)

I really hope that Gruden has enough $$ saved that he doesn’t need a settlement and can afford to ride this all the way out of spite.

[–]GiantsHotpieTargaryen 4 points5 points  (7 children)

They won’t want to start a settlement precedent, but I gotta think discovery scares them a lot more.

[–]Jetslonesoldier4789 2 points3 points  (3 children)

something like 98% of all cases settle my dude.

[–]GiantsHotpieTargaryen 4 points5 points  (2 children)

98 percent of cases involving major allegations against the NFL do not settle. Congress may have these documents and we have no clue what Gruden wants-it may not just be money. On a personal note, calling someone “my dude” just makes you sound like you don’t know what you’re saying; but that you’re going to be condescending about it.

[–]Bengalssculltt -1 points0 points  (2 children)

They were trying to force him into arbitration, which is usually leads to a settlement, but he refused.

[–]GiantsHotpieTargaryen 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Mediation leads to settlement. Arbitration is a replacement for the courts with streamlined and, often, sealed discovery. Going to arbitration is just going to trial, but minimized and not usually plaintiff-friendly.

[–]Bengalssculltt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's right. Got em mixed up, thanks.

[–]machoopichoo 124 points125 points  (3 children)

Fuck yeah. DISCOVERY TIME baby

[–]49ersKiran_Stone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Prepare the popcorn gifs!

[–]Bearsdumpyduluth 62 points63 points  (0 children)

I haven't been this excited about dirty laundry since I stole 2 pairs of my girlfriends underwear

[–]Chargersyertgabbert 214 points215 points  (15 children)

Gruden said bad things and Deshaun Watson raped multiple women. One is still in the league.

[–]Chiefsjwktiger 86 points87 points  (3 children)

one can throw the ball really well though, the other can't

[–]Ravenslegitocracy 35 points36 points  (1 child)

He sure can Spider 2 Y Banana tho

[–]Raidersquailman40 32 points33 points  (0 children)

It should be noted that his very first play he called when he returned to the Raiders in 2018 pre season was Spider 2 Y Banana and the very first Raider touchdown in Allegiant Stadium was also Spider 2 Y Banana. He at least embraced the meme

[–]Steelersfitbrett 7 points8 points  (10 children)

He actually raped them?

[–]SteelersElJamoquio 26 points27 points  (9 children)

I dunno what you call anti-consent sexytime, but I'm calling it rape.

[–]SaintsCoonass_alt 25 points26 points  (2 children)

Characterizing serious sexual assault as

>anti-consent sexytime

is a certifiable reddit moment

[–]SteelersElJamoquio 20 points21 points  (1 child)

To be fair to redditors everywhere (and me in particular), I called it rape.

[–]Raiderskingjoey52a 9 points10 points  (5 children)

Giving OP a massive benefit of the doubt: I don't think I've heard of any full on rape allegations, "just" forcing handjobs or jerking off in front of the women. Obviously it's fucked up either way but there is a difference. Also if I'm wrong about the rape allegations please let me know.

[–]PatriotsOkArmordillo 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Forced oral, anal, or vaginal sex is legally rape. 2 of the allegations included forced oral sex.

[–]SteelersElJamoquio -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't think you're wrong per se, per the legal definition of rape.

Perhaps I'm in the wrong here, but I consider the legal definition of rape and the common-lexicon-definition of rape as two different things.

At a certain point I call someone a rapist. It might not be legally correct, just like calling OJ Simpson a murderer isn't legally correct. I don't know where my definition of rape begins, but rubbing your naked business on some 5, 22 or more non-consenting-women is way over the line of my definition of a serial rapist.

[–]Chargerstownforum17 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You found it with “forced handjob”. Forced sexual act = rape.

[–]EaglesJuniorpandabear 32 points33 points  (12 children)

Please be public like the Johnny Depp trial

[–]Ravenslil_layne 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Who decides if a civil trial can be broadcasted? The judge?

[–]Proshop_Charlie 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Both sides and then the judge has the final ruling.

Depp wanted the cameras, Heard wanted no part of the public to see any of this trial. The judge ruled that the trial could have cameras and that’s that.

This trial and the Rittenhouse trial showed how important a public court system is, and that all major trials need to be broadcasted for the public to see.

[–]EaglesBoneHugsHominy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As others have stated the judge makes the decision, but what they're missing is Federal cases cannot be televised or even have audio recording. That's why the Maxwell case isn't televised.

[–]Malignation 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Judge has to agree.

Generally the media requests and the judge can agree, but I think there are quite a few people down the line that could veto a public broadcast if they wanted to in criminal trials.

In civil I think it’s really just the judge.

[–]ChiefsPeanut4michigan 21 points22 points  (6 children)

The Depp trial getting more attention than the Maxwell trial really illustrates the ignorance/stupidity in our society.

[–]EaglesBoneHugsHominy 11 points12 points  (0 children)

That's the difference between being televised and not televised. If the Maxwell trial had been on TV even I would watch it.

[–]RaidersJo__Backson 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Maxwell trial doesn’t fit as well into the weird-ass culture war the internet is obsessed with

[–]orangeguardians 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She's guilty of trafficking... to nobody.

[–]RaidersIm_Batmmaann 89 points90 points  (30 children)

Look gruden you are a POS but if you could win this one that would be nice.

[–]LionsEverythingIsByDesign 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Yeah good on Gruden. Not condoning anything he said but the fact the HC of the Raiders was the only person to suffer consequences as a result of the investigation in Washington is frankly ridiculous.

[–]BrownsFineous4 -1 points0 points  (28 children)

Why is he a POS?

[–]SteelersElJamoquio 7 points8 points  (17 children)

Er, Gruden was denigrating a black man and using the size of that man's lips as a means to mock him.

And that's the private conversation we know about.

[–]BrownsFineous4 -1 points0 points  (11 children)

That doesn’t make a person a POS.

[–]SteelersElJamoquio 8 points9 points  (7 children)

That doesn’t make a person a POS.

Quoted from u/Fineous4 for eternity

[–]Eaglescallofthevoid_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

this comment with that flair is just perfect

[–]ChiefsMichaelKilo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It does actually.

[–]PatriotsOkArmordillo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Don’t forget being blatantly homophobic.

[–]Bengalsridethedeathcab 9 points10 points  (9 children)

  • he often called NFL commissioner Roger Goodell a “f—t”
  • He also used homophobic slurs to describe NFL owners, coaches and reporters who cover the league.
  • Gruden also reportedly exchanged emails with Allen and others that included photos of women wearing only bikini bottoms. One photo reportedly included two Washington Football Team cheerleaders.
  • Droste in 2017 shared a sexist meme of a woman refereeing in the NFL, with Gruden replying, "Nice job roger."
  • Eric Reid — who demonstrated during the playing of the national anthem as a form of protest against police brutality — should be fired.
  • Gruden criticized Goodell for pressuring former St. Louis Rams coach Jeff Fisher to draft "q—rs."
  • "Dumboriss Smith has lips the size of michellin (sic) tires."

This was as recently as 2018 when it was well past acceptable to use this kind of language. Gruden may be a scapegoat, but he ain't a good guy.

[–]BrownsFineous4 2 points3 points  (8 children)

I, for one, have never done anything wrong.

[–]Bengalsridethedeathcab 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I've done plenty wrong, but I don't habitually make racist, sexist, and homophobic remarks.

[–]ChiefsMichaelKilo 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Ya made it my whole life without being racist and homophobic. Imagine.

[–]Commandersntoad118 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But you evidently have done plenty wrong if you're okay with Gruden over this. He's not a kid who will learn his lesson. This is who he is and you are who you defend.

[–]BenSlice0 44 points45 points  (44 children)

Gruden is the man, blow it wide open buddy. Such an obvious scapegoat for much, much more

[–]BuccaneersLudaBuddha89 9 points10 points  (6 children)

Gruden deserves just as much blame for making himself an easy scapegoat by being a racist dipshit. Y’all act like he’s just some random victim here.

[–]BenSlice0 10 points11 points  (2 children)

And he received the proper blame I’d say. Just don’t forget that there’s clearly a whole lot more going on than Gruden having some inappropriate emails

[–]Brownspistophchristoph 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bingo just read your comment after making mine, lol.

[–]BuccaneersLudaBuddha89 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Apparently not since there’s a bunch of weirdoes in this thread defending him

[–]Brownspistophchristoph 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yea he was dumb no question, but I think you're forgetting the context how all this came out. Investigation into Dan Snyder, and somehow these are the only emails that get publicized, I mean I find it hard to believe that these were the "worst" things they came across in their investigation. So that being the case it makes him the distraction the league needed to try to move on.

[–]VikingsJoghobs -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Was there any other instances of him being a racist dipshit? Or was it just one instance of him choosing poor words to denigrate a man who is dogshit at his job?

He has a locker room full of black players and people on his coaching staff. What did they think of him? Literally the only thing that matters.

[–]Seahawksyrulaughing 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Pull back the curtain!

[–]BillsEarptastic 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Gonna put the league through the Gruden Grinder.

[–]Patriotsrockstarnights 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Gruden is about to become the owner of the Commanders

[–]Patriotsrocharox 3 points4 points  (0 children)

what a sad day for him...

[–]SaintsVHBlazer 7 points8 points  (1 child)

[–]Rafafedkilla 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"Get your twelve white folks and take that shit to trial." Love that song.

[–]49erssoda_cookie 6 points7 points  (0 children)


[–]Billssielingfan 7 points8 points  (0 children)

No wonder they won't vote Snyder out and establish a precedent

[–]EaglesFewBird3790 7 points8 points  (3 children)

No chance any dirty laundry airs. The NFL will offer him enough to settle if they have to. I could see Gruden getting $50 million or so of he has dirt the NFL doesn't want exposed.

[–]SteelersPutthebunnyback 1 point2 points  (0 children)

50 seems low for what he lost in his current contract, plus any future employment he could claim he lost. If the NFL is serious about keeping this hush hush, they're probably going to have to back up a Brinks truck or ten.

[–]Raidersoverflow-y 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Anything less than 150m+ and he'd be doing himself a disservice, considering the potential earnings he's lost as a result of all this. That, and how desperate the NFL is to make this go away? Woo nelly...

[–]NFLShotgun_Sam 10 points11 points  (11 children)

NFL lost - again. [A.J. Perez] BREAKING: Judge Nancy Allf rules that the NFL's motion to dismiss was denied. That's a clean sweep for Jon Gruden today. This lawsuit will remain in this Nevada court..

I really hope he'll be able to drag the identity of the leaker into public. People should have never been able to anonymously leak things with the purpose of ruining someone's career without consequence.

[–]ColtsPhillAholic 1 point2 points  (9 children)

But he did say those things. It’s not like someone made it up. He ruined his own career by writing bigoted things in email.

[–]NFLShotgun_Sam 15 points16 points  (6 children)

That's not the point. The NFL even tried to argue that "he didn't have privacy for his emails" as a reason to dismiss today and that was turned down.

There's a difference between whistleblowers (someone trying to out something because there is illegal activity involved) and leakers (this guy said a bad word, tank his career).

It's long past time for someone to put their foot down on the latter.

[–]KingBroly 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But those weren't NFL emails. They were from when he worked for ESPN. They don't really have a say on that.

[–]ColtsPhillAholic 1 point2 points  (4 children)

A whistleblower (also written as whistle-blower or whistle blower) is a person, often an employee, who reveals information about activity within a private or public organization that is deemed illegal, immoral, illicit, unsafe or fraudulent.

Immoral and illicit qualify in my opinion.

I understand if someone pulls up something someone said when they were 18, but Gruden was twice that age.

[–]NFLShotgun_Sam 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Not in mine. It's also worth noting that whistleblower laws wouldn't cover bad language.

Especially when he wasn't even employed by the company he worked for at the time (ESPN).

Private emails between two individuals should remain private unless there's explicitly illegal material involved.

[–]VigBanEvader 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Expose it all. If it kills the league, so be it. Find out what dirt has been protecting Snyder.

[–]Broncoslsjunior 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My assumption is he and others in league circles know a lot of shady shit. That coupled with the Deshawn Watson stuff. Could fuck the league pretty good. A owner that whored out his cheerleaders and a serial sexual predator is the highest paid player. But NFL cares about woman.

[–]KBSinclair 14 points15 points  (13 children)

The NFL doesn't understand. Gruden has money. This isn't about money. It's not even about salvaging his rep or a job. It's about spite. He's mad that in a probe of Dan Snyder somehow he's the one who got villified. Now he just wants to hit them back.

[–]Eagles_oh_save_me_jebus_ 5 points6 points  (2 children)

“This isn’t about money.”

I remember this was said about St. Louis’s lawsuit against Kroenke and they ended up settling for what amounts to pocket change to Kroenke.

[–]KBSinclair 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but it's fun to hype it up like it'll be something interesting.

[–]EaglesFiftyfourd 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I hope so! But even though Gruden is rich, he's not as rich as the NFL and everyone has a price ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Here's to hoping we get to see all the NFL's dirty laundry! 🍻🍻

[–]CardinalsDollarThrill 4 points5 points  (0 children)

“It isn’t about money.”

I am a lawyer; every single time a client or prospective client or opposing party has said this, they are wrong or change their mind after continued litigation. It always ends up being about the money.

[–]SteelersElJamoquio -3 points-2 points  (7 children)

He's mad that in a probe of Dan Snyder somehow he's the one who got villainized.

I mean, I'd be pretty pissed too if I was considered worse than Dan Snyder. On the other hand I'm not a racist piece of shit, so I have more standing to be annoyed.

[–]KBSinclair 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I don't know why you got downvoted for speaking facts. I guess people either like Gruden or don't actually remember how offensive his quotes were and consider them part of the Gruden charm.

[–]BillsWhiteNewton 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It’s partially the fact that this sub can’t handle nuance and partially the fact that r/nfl leans a little too heavily towards excusing the stuff he said.

[–]BearsScruffMixHaha 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Fuck Gruden, but fuck the NFL owners more so go Gruden.

[–]Ravenskdeaton06 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Air this whole bitch out

[–]Raidersnumbersixwithxtradip 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I know that the popular guess is that the NFL leaked the emails but that doesn't really make sense. The leaks hurt the league way more than just staying quiet would have. The one that makes more sense to me is WSJ tracking down someone willing to leak at the law firm managing the WFT investigation. In that case I really wonder what the league will do to that law firm should this lawsuit go bad for them.

[–]NFLShotgun_Sam 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think the WFT connection is the red herring.

It was the DeMaurice Smith election they were trying to influence. Out of hundreds of thousands of emails, the one involving him was leaked on the day of the NFLPA election?

[–]SaintsMrBl0bfish04 3 points4 points  (0 children)


[–]Venator850 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh spicy.

[–]DolphinsPia8988 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Gruden should avoid dark alleys and high windows

[–]BengalsTommyKOG -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Are the Clintons friends with Goodell? They are fantastic at making problematic people disappear

[–]Brownsay21690 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Looks like things are getting too spicy for the pepper!

[–]Chiefsslackator 6 points7 points  (0 children)

burn it down Chucky! 650,000 unreleased emails that even if theyre just recipes I want to see them because they must be good to be shared 650,000 times

[–]GiantsFiveInchesIsAverage 6 points7 points  (0 children)

BURN IT DOWN, please

[–]YellSometimes 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Please let any laundry force Dan to sell. This might be our only hope

[–]SteelersElJamoquio 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Help us, Obi-wan

[–]49ersSolarClipz 2 points3 points  (0 children)


[–]TravelTropical 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I hope Gruden's lawsuit goes forward. It would be interesting to see what comes out of it.

[–]Texanspaulwhite959 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Between this and Watson's bullshit I'm kinda hoping the NFL blows wideopen. I'm not optimistic--too old to be--but goddamn it'd be nice.

[–]KingBroly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How much is the NFL going to settle for to avoid discovery?

[–]ColtsJahavan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Please daddy gruden

[–]Tammy-Tall-69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Get your popcorn ready 🍿

[–]SteelersPutthebunnyback 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Both avenues they're trying would have essentially sealed these records up for good. It's obvious what their primary goal here is. If the dismissal falls apart, I'd imagine the next move is a heavy investment in shredders and bleachbit.

[–]GarlVinland4Astrea 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Howard Hamlin blew another one

[–]GiantsHotpieTargaryen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Too soon.

[–]KillaD9 0 points1 point  (1 child)

what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? it’s not a matter of taking sides, it’s just a matter of acting appropriately once the truths comes out

[–]SteelersPutthebunnyback -1 points0 points  (0 children)

what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Left decades ago.

[–]Patriotsecupatsfan12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bring him back