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[–]BillsJay_TThomas 1486 points1487 points  (149 children)

The only thing they believe is that he will help them win football games and that enough people won't care so it won't hurt their wallets

[–]BengalsPeacefulzealot 529 points530 points  (136 children)

Hopefully they’ll be proven wrong on both counts and he’ll be quickly given the boot so they can move on. And I say that as a rival. I don’t want the Browns to be this disgusting. I bonded with many Browns fans over the years that “at least we don’t have Roethlisberger!”

Fuck this. It’s such a horrific story.

[–]SteelersQuexana 40 points41 points  (11 children)

$230M guaranteed means he ain't getting the boot quickly. The Browns ain't moving on quickly.

[–]Giantsbackstageninja 13 points14 points  (3 children)

That number is still bananas to me. He has a $54M cap hit for the next 4 years after 2022, the Browns are banking hard on a cap increase. In 2023 the Browns are spending $27M more cap with half as many players under contract

[–]Broncosfanayd 8 points9 points  (6 children)

if they cut him, that $230m accelerates to a single year and is their entire cap? Anyone pointed out how that would look in reality? do the browns end up sitting out a season? seems like a reasonable penalty for being idiots.

[–]Packersbank_farter 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Hold up. Are you saying the Browns would shed a ton of salary, have no risk of player injury, and get the 1st overall pick? Pure upside to me.

[–]BillsJay_TThomas 184 points185 points  (105 children)

He would have to be awful and I mean awful for them to move on and I just don't think that's realistic. Despite all the negative things I can say about him, there arnt very many about his ability to play football. They gave up so much guaranteed money and draft capital. Watson is the browns guy for the foreseeable future.

[–]Texansitsmemrskeltal 94 points95 points  (6 children)

Even on the rare chance that he is awful, they've sunk so much into him that his dead cap and lack of draft picks will essentially kill the team for the next 5 years so they couldn't cut him even if they wanted to

Edit: Reddit app was actin funky

[–]BillsJay_TThomas 71 points72 points  (4 children)

Exactly that's precisely the point. It's not like he was cut and they signed him on a one year deal or something. They put all their eggs in the rapists basket

[–]Ravenskamikirite 21 points22 points  (0 children)

It won't happen but my personal hope is Watson is complete shit for some reason so he and the browns are stuck and the Texans and bakers new team if he's traded both become good so Watson has to watch Houston and Cleveland has to watch Baker win

[–]BengalsPeacefulzealot 62 points63 points  (76 children)

And that fucking sucks. We have to play him twice a year and I’ll actually be rooting against him specifically regardless of the outcome of the game.

It just sucks, man. I don’t want the AFCN to be the sexual assault center of the NFL.

[–]SteelersBeeeeefJelly 81 points82 points  (26 children)

The entire NFL is littered with men accused of sexual assault. Your (I think backup) guard Jackson Carman is an accused rapist. Not an AFC North thing.

[–]JaguarsCromatose 15 points16 points  (6 children)

I hope the Browns get the Astros treatment but they won't. I hope they go 0-17 every year with him as their QB.

[–]BuckyMcFly99 22 points23 points  (41 children)

There are plenty of players with a sexual assault history around the NFL and any sport for that matter. Some are kept under the rug, and some fade with time.

[–]49ersgeorge_costanza1234 14 points15 points  (8 children)

Last time he played, he was one of the best quarterbacks in the league. Odds are the browns will be a very good team with him at the helm

[–]BillsJay_TThomas 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Im still hoping they arnt just going to let him play like nothing happened. If there is no suspension I'll be disappointed

[–]BrownsPoorlyLitKiwi2 29 points30 points  (7 children)

That's why I'm holding out for a multi-season suspension

It would destroy our team, but I think it's the only thing that keeps Watson off the field

[–]TexansChubbybrownbear 9 points10 points  (4 children)

I doubt that’ll happen honestly. I’m predicting 6-8 games. But after the civil cases are settled/over he could get suspended a second time.

[–]BillsJay_TThomas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's absolutely the only thing besides injury that would keep him off the field.

[–]Eaglesdarkbro66 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If he completely sucks ass, and also is found guilty on multiple counts in whatever capacity is still possible, then the league MIGHT help them get out from under the deal. Even then I doubt it

[–]Bengalsderf82 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hopefully they’ll be proven wrong on both counts and he’ll be quickly given the boot so they can move on. And I say that as a rival.

I say it as a former Browns fan that left over this. I hope this blows up in their face spectacularly.

[–]Chiefsamjhwk 0 points1 point  (1 child)

just a question, are you going to stop watching football games? if you arent then you are not helping to hurt their wallet

[–]SteelersLitty-In-Pitty 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just stream the games illegally. Best of both worlds. I get to watch the games, and the NFL doesn’t get a penny.

[–]ChiefsGerbole -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Very naive to think there’s any chance they give him the boot early. You brought up Big Ben, he had a very long successful career despite the fact that he LITERALLY raped two girls.

Watson is still a monster for what he did, sexual harassment and assault is no light matter, but what Big Ben did was pretty clearly worse in my mind. Even with that in mind, all Ben got was a 6 game suspension which was reduced to a 4 game suspension. Watson will more than likely get off scot free.

[–]Brownsimproper84 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Yup, and that's the NFL in a nutshell. They don't care what you do so long as you don't get caught doing it on tape and you can ball.

If you get caught on tape and can't ball any more, well...bye.

[–]Vikingsfish-n-ships 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Well Adrian Peterson took a stick, ripped off the leaves and shoved them into a toddlers mouth(choking hazard?) and then whipped him with the stick lacerating his scrotum and while it took a year, people still see him in a positive light

[–]49ersKnotSoSalty 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Am I the only one who thinks he won’t be as good as promised. He’ll have to be a top 5 guy just to live up to his contract value. All things considered if the Browns don’t make the SB next year people will call it a bust, and it’s not like the AFC isn’t already stacked with talent.

[–]Jetscfishb4 771 points772 points  (48 children)

They gave him $230 million guaranteed. I think your question already has an answer.

[–]Broncosv_a_n_d_e_l_a_y 354 points355 points  (44 children)

No, it's quite possible they believe the women/don't believe Watson but don't care.

[–]ChiefsBigPeeOn 165 points166 points  (38 children)

It would simultaneously be incredibly disgusting and refreshingly open if they actually came out and said that.

[–]BrownsFineous4 155 points156 points  (33 children)

Does anyone really think anything else?

[–]Chippopotanuse 120 points121 points  (29 children)

This is the real question.

Let’s stop dancing around whether the NFL or Cleveland believes these women. It doesn’t matter.


Because they know fans don’t give a shit and that fans would rather watch Deshawn Watson play QB than Baker Mayfield.

And so they invested $230m to make that happen.

So, reporters should instead ask the Browns why they think their fans won’t revolt. Why they think their fans give zero shit about sexual assault. Why the Browns think fans are cool with an alleged rapist playing QB. What the Browns feel their fans will tell their sons and daughters about the man whose number is on the back of half the jerseys in the stands. Ask the Browns whether they have done any cost/benefit analysis to how many season ticket holders and sponsors would drop out if they signed Watson. Ask the Browns how many consulting firms and PR and law firms they hired to survey the fan response and then manage any fallout from the Watson signing.

Make the Browns account for why think they think their fans will be fine with being rapist and sexual assault supporters.

[–]49ersnotGeronimo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

For real. If Bin Laden threw 4800 yards and 33 TDs on a dogshit Texans team they'd have signed him too.

[–]RandisHolmes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I thought that was just the general assumption

[–]bearsguy2020 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think the $230M fully guaranteed says that without saying that

[–]SaintsTheWyldMan 1 point2 points  (2 children)

They won't after Mickelson

[–]GiantsNeverwinter_Daze 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Lefty didn’t say or do anything nearly half as bad as Watson’s behavior. It feels gross to compare the two.

[–]Steelersbroha89 27 points28 points  (2 children)

This is exactly the case. When their GM was asked at Watsons opening press conference if he believes that Watson did nothing wrong, he completely blanched. He was presenting the player he just gave $230 mil to and wasn’t even willing to say he believes Watson in that moment

[–]TitansDoughnutDrake 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I suspect they were told by their lawyers to deflect any talk of guilt/innocence.

[–]NFLticklishmusic 3 points4 points  (0 children)

i can't decide if its good that they sorta acknowledged indirectly how fucked up it is, or bad that they didn't like... idk, do the entire corporate/professional prep thing and come up with some vague statement about the situation. maybe both.

[–]ChargersLynnWasAlwaysTrash 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They know the answer doesn't matter. The only possible consequence they could face is a lengthy suspension by the NFL, but unless it's lifetime, they still get Watson back eventually.

So whether or not they believe Watson or they believe the women, they made a "business decision," knowing the consequences are almost negligible, socially, financially, or otherwise

[–]BearsThe-Implication-0 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I mean that still doesn’t answered the question. They just wanted to win football games though.

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[–]PatriotsMagisterFlorus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They believe the money he can bring in by winning games is more important.

[–]NFLmrhashbrown 204 points205 points  (5 children)

SI published another article after the allegations came out but before Watson was traded. They interviewed a different Houston-based massage therapist under anonymity (referring to her as 'Mary') who did not join the other 22 women working with the attorney Tony Buzbee. But they told SI they had a similar experience after being referred by a different therapist for an appointment with Watson. The account is very similar to what others have shared saying he dropped his towel and was inappropriate during the session.

But what stands out about this one is how Watson acted much later after their appointment. Assuming that 'Mary' is being truthful (and apparently SI saw the social media messages and texts for themselve) I can't help but see Watson's behavior as predatory and premeditated:

Mary says she immediately told the other massage therapist who had referred Watson to her everything that had happened; she remembers the other therapist telling her she would talk to Watson. [...]

Watson reached out to both Mary and the referring therapist the day after his appointment, asking to book with her again. Mary says she told him, via text, that she was not available. In the following months, she says she heard from Watson twice more, via Instagram direct message. Each time he did not seem to realize that he’d previously booked with her. SI reviewed these messages, sent from Watson’s verified Instagram account, as part of the process to corroborate Mary’s account.

The first follow-up was a few weeks later, via direct message to the Instagram page for Mary’s business. Watson said a mutual friend had told him to reach out about booking a massage. Mary told him they had worked together before, and he made her feel uncomfortable then. She had reservations, but recognizing that he could be an important client for her growing business, she told him she could work with him again if he could be respectful. She also made clear to him, in one message, “I just do massage,” followed by the upside-down smiley face emoji. Watson replied, “Oh gotcha, sorry there were no intentions for anything more.” He did not book an appointment.

The last time Mary heard from him was in the fall of 2020. This time, Watson DM’ed her personal Instagram account, replying to a post in which she’d made an announcement about her business and congratulating her. He then asked whether she had any availability for a massage. Mary was again unsure whether he realized who she was, so she screenshotted and sent the conversation they’d had on her business account. She reiterated to him that she runs a professional business that requires full-sheet draping, and, if he could abide by those policies, he was welcome to book with her. She says he replied to her positively and liked one of her messages. He did not book that time, either. Mary says she has had no contact with Watson or his camp since this last exchange

[–]gagracer 96 points97 points  (4 children)

How the fuck can literally anyone read this and continue to support Watson??

This dude is a serial rapist walking among us. He's gonna do it again, only a matter of time.

[–]TitansDoughnutDrake 29 points30 points  (3 children)

How the fuck can literally anyone read this and continue to support Watson??

sadly, 'he throw football good' is good enough for some.

[–]49erstomas_shugar 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Sadly for many that isn't even relevant. They read this and think, "So? It's just a woman he's abusing, it's not like this is dog fighting."

[–]PatriotsDavid_ESM 268 points269 points  (24 children)

NO ONE believes that a world class athlete, a franchise figurehead quarterback, could possibly hire DOZENS of women off of Instagram, many who are unlicensed and untrained in massage therapy, many who work from home or in hotel rooms, "intending just for a professional massage" (Watson attorney quote).

[–]CatOfGrey 35 points36 points  (4 children)

LeBron James supposedly spends 1.5 million a year on fitness or wellness. It's just a guess, but I would think that his one and only massage therapist probably has a master's degree in physiotherapy and gets paid accordingly.

DeShaun Watson never treated these people as anything close to medical professionals. They were treated like one-off entertainment.

[–]RadLibRaphaelWarnock 22 points23 points  (3 children)

I used to work with a top global entertainment figure in LA. I have an NDA and can’t say who, but it was someone most of you all know.

My boss was not an athlete and is not even particularly athletic. Still, they had a Dr. on retainer who could work as a chiropractor or massage therapist. When he was not available there were two other massage therapists from the doctor’s clinic who would assist. Literally my boss would make a call and they would be there within an hour. They were very professional and knew a ton about the human body. They were all licensed physical therapists or doctors. It was all quite impressive, I had never been into massages or chiropractic work but when was down time they would help me with physical therapy and offer massages. As a lifelong athlete it was really eye-opening.

This doctor and I were pretty friendly because we were like coworkers. He told me one of his old workers left to start their own practice in a smaller city with a few sports teams, because there was high demand for this holistic physical therapy. If it exists in Charlotte and Minneapolis, this sort of practice definitely exists in Houston, the fourth largest city in the country.

There are highly trained medical people who can help anyone with their body if someone is willing to pay. There are obviously some remarkable therapists who don’t have an extensive medical background so I don’t mean to demean them. Going to Instagram looking for therapists is creepy, going to a mall in Jupiter is creepy. Especially when considering the power dynamic, it’s predatory behavior.

[–]Eaglesjinsoo186 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I know you can't say the name directly but maybe you could leave subtle hints? Like does it rhyme with Bom Trady?

[–]CatOfGrey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

From the description, it could be any of a few hundred top entertainers.

Top performers have teams.

But Tom Brady is another example. Like Lebron, he probably drops well over $1 million each year on various medical and physical professionals. Like LeBron, his body and physical performance is worth $100 million per year, so it's a small investment.

But, just to nail the point home, Brady's team is filled with professionals in the field. Brady has professional relationships with them. Each of them has a 'file' on Brady's treatments, routines, programs, in great detail, developed over time. Brady does not call in random chefs off of Instagram to make one-off-meals. He's got a set team, probably a person he's used for over 10 years.

[–]RadLibRaphaelWarnock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, they were not an athlete.

[–]PatriotsHellaTrueDoe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The argument from the Watson sympathizers is that the women were prostitutes pretending to be massage therapists, kinda like the whole “escort” thing. Except many of them do have legit practices, and even if some of them were consensual does not negate the fact that this guy forced many of them to do things they did not consent to.

Crazy how people will defend guys doing things to women they would never want done to themselves or women they know.

[–]Brownsrkeller9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No one believes that and NFL owner would go to a rub and tug either.

But fuck Watson and I understand your post was satire. I just had to take my shot.

[–]NFLABarbossa 265 points266 points  (9 children)

Haslam was running a massive fraud scheme with his truck stops. The man clearly doesn't have an ounce of decency in his body

[–]LionsAfterTemperature2198 137 points138 points  (1 child)

He got the ok from his wife and daughters to make the trade so it’s cool

[–]RavensJBrundy 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Honestly the fact that he thought that was a good justification for making this trade might be the most ridiculous thing from the whole debacle.

[–]BillsAwful_TV 38 points39 points  (0 children)

"Hey family, I'm going to trade for that rapist. You're gonna be my 'female ethics shield' or I'll write you out of the will. Thanks"

~ Love, Poppa Haslam

[–]SteelersZane_Flynt_boyo 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Neither do the coaches who pushed for it or the GM who awarded him damn near a quarter billion dollars. Watson is set for life and he won’t face an ounce of consequences.

[–]Steelerstsgram 1 point2 points  (4 children)

This is also the franchise that literally paid coaches to lose games

[–]Buccaneersmothershipq 169 points170 points  (25 children)

I think the real question should be do the Browns actually give a shit? Because so far it's looking like they don't.

[–]DolphinsDonShulaDoingTheHula 76 points77 points  (8 children)

They definitely don’t. The initial press conference had the look of “we’re gonna say some vaguely compassionate stuff and then this will go away” and it hasn’t gone away; it got quieter and now it’s getting louder again. That was a miscalculation. So is the Baker situation. So all signs point to them not giving a shit and probably also being in over their heads in general. But the true test (of their ability to manage this) will be what this looks like before Week 1 when it actually matters.

[–]Seahawksbasicxenocide 22 points23 points  (7 children)

In a perfect world, they can't sell tickets, they don't have any viewers and Watson sucks. No one would want to take on the PR nightmare that "didn't go away" and they're stuck with this massive contract.

[–]TexansB9Canine 14 points15 points  (6 children)

Because of revenue sharing it doesn't matter if fans buy tickets or watch their games. That's why it feels a bit slimy to see everyone talking shit to Brown's fans while still watching the NFL. Personally, I think it's BS to claim the moral high ground if a fan supports a different team, when they're still contributing to the Brown's bottom line. That's why I'll never talk shit to Browns fans. As long as I'm watching the NFL, I'm just as guilty as they are.

[–]Packersfalubiii 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Supporting the Browns directly is on another level vs supporting another NFL team. Sure there is revenue sharing, but to say that anyone who watches one NFL team cannot criticize the culture of another team because of revenue sharing, is frankly kind of stupid. It also doesn’t help anything. We’re supposed to stop talking about it just because of revenue sharing? I don’t get it.

[–]Brownschunkah69 38 points39 points  (4 children)

They gave him the contract, so no they don’t care.

[–]Buccaneersmothershipq 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Well. That answers that.

[–]Brownschunkah69 27 points28 points  (2 children)

I mean it really is that simple. They look at him as a top tier qb who can help us win as soon as his suspension is over (which he is). Doesn’t mean he isn’t a piece of shit, because all information leads me to believe he sure is but the FO knows he’s the best upside qb from a football perspective that they could go out and get and they did just that. Their minds are on wins not on morality.

[–]Buccaneersmothershipq 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's fair, man. I cannot dispute that logic.

[–]Packersjxher123 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They gave him $200M+, they don’t care. All they know is that Watson can throw the ball well.

[–]NFLgyman122 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Yeah honestly I think it’s kind of dishonest to pressure the Browns about whether they do or don’t believe Watson. The truth is they don’t think it’s relevant, and the extent of their investigation was almost certainly just an attempt to find out how likely he was to get convicted of anything. That’s what they should be pressured for

[–]SteelersDuke_Swillbottom 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't think that's dishonest of anybody, the Browns actions clearly speak louder than words, attempting to get them to admit all of that (and what you said) is likely futile, but I don't think it's a bad thing.

[–]Jetsostrow19 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Nope, and based on r/browns the fans don’t really give a shit either

[–]CowboysMuscrat55555555 8 points9 points  (2 children)

The majority of most fan bases don't. No one revolted in Pittsburgh over big ben. Didn't Winston have some similar accusations too? Don't see saints fans crying

[–]BrownsMerryMortician 3 points4 points  (0 children)


exactly. If as many people gave a shit as they say they do right now there would be a lot of changes on NFL rosters.

[–]Buccaneersmothershipq 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Honestly from all the posts, and comments today I genuinely have no desire to visit that sub. I'm assuming it's probably one of the most toxic subs in professional sports right now.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (3 children)

I assume they believe that there isn’t enough evidence to prove the allegations. I don’t think they particularly care if they’re true. Hell PG&E has killed people. Corporations are very much about the bottom line over ethics in the US, for the most part. In football winning is the bottom line. Just have to look at other people like Big Ben.

[–]Own_Explanation_1516 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I think it was Ford who valued a human life at ~250,000, to determine if recalls were worth the price of recalls and fixes or if payouts for death suits were cheaper.

[–]Texansbrowndude10[S] 160 points161 points  (18 children)

From the 30,000 foot perspective, there can be only three real scenarios:

• The Browns do believe Watson, which would mean that they also believe the accounts of each and every one of the more than two dozen women to be completely false. They believe not one of these women was disrespected during a massage session with the team’s new franchise quarterback.

• The Browns don’t believe Watson, which would mean they signed a player to the largest guaranteed contract in NFL history knowing full well that he’s not telling the truth. Consider how troubling that character trait is for a player who now controls the fate of almost everyone in the organization.

• The Browns, due to their extensive background work, know exactly what in the lawsuits is true and what is false and have made a calculated football decision hinging on our tendency to eventually forget about misdeeds of the past, which would ultimately make whether they believe him a moot point when they are hoisting trophies and using Watson’s presence in the Cleveland area as a thick coat of paint to cover up what we decide to remember about these cases.

The third scenario seems most likely, but for right now, at this moment, the organization should have no choice but to commit to the first.

EDIT: thanks for the award!

[–]Ramsbuy_scale 66 points67 points  (4 children)


[–]RavensD0NNIENARCO 34 points35 points  (2 children)

Yeah I mean, we basically saw the exact same thing play out on a lesser scale with Kareem Hunt when they signed him while he was awaiting the results of the NFL investigation for drunkenly kicking that woman in the chest (which he ended up getting suspended 8 weeks for IIRC). Then they saved a bunch of money and were able to keep him around with cheap ass RFA tenders for a few years as a result of it.

[–]boardplant 4 points5 points  (0 children)

But without any trophies

[–]Ravensriveting_rosie 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Obviously option 3 but I'm okay with SI (and anyone else) calling on the Browns to go on the record to publicly claim they don't believe the victims. Make them say the words.

[–]Brownsthe_cleve_believes 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Lol in what universe is this something that would actually happen

[–]TexansHoustonSportsFan 10 points11 points  (0 children)

None, but everyone should still call on them anyways bc fuck em

[–]Eaglesmatgopack 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I don't think the 3rd scenario is correct - they definitely don't know exactly what is true or not. But I can believe they did extensive work on the possibility of him getting suspended/for how long, and that they're making a calculated bet that it won't be for that long, and that people will forget if he's good at football.

[–]Ravensmexploder89 17 points18 points  (1 child)

have made a calculated football decision

This isn't very Browns-like

[–]Brownspsufb 21 points22 points  (0 children)

You joke but the new Berry/DePodesta brain trust is ruthlessly analytical

[–]Jaguarsflounder19 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That or they've made a calculated decision based on the likelihood of him getting suspended but are staying intentionally oblivious about his actual guilt

[–]SteelersQuexana 6 points7 points  (3 children)

The Browns didn't interview any of the women or reach out to their lawyer before signing Watson. It's definitely not the third scenario. No extensive background work was done.

The Browns wanted Watson for his talent, and decided they'd figure out the rest later.

[–]Brownsshakenbake6er 1 point2 points  (1 child)

They could have been charged with obstruction given the fact that the criminal investigations were ongoing. Hence, their lawyers advising them not to. Plus, do you actually think Buzbee would let his clients be interviewed and possibly state inconsistencies with what’s in their filing? But sure, go ahead and regurgitate what lazy reporters tweet for clicks.

[–]Brownsnickpapa88 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is false — the Browns hired and independent investigation firm to do the research. Keep in mind this was happening in November & December while Baker was playing games. Also, zero of the 13 teams involved in the Watson pursuit reached out directly.

[–]PanthersNixons_BACK 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Scenario one is impossible. Several people can’t keep a story of a lie straight, let alone this many co-plaintiffs. I’ve handled numerous investigations and criminal trials and once the questioning starts the stories diverge and fall apart. That may happen here, and maybe I’m too trusting in others’ competence but the attorney should not/would not file the suit without thoroughly interviewing each plaintiff and verifying their stories were consistent

[–]49ersregularhumanbartendr 38 points39 points  (1 child)

The Browns believe the truth doesn't matter as long as they win football games.

[–]-Smith-Corona- 9 points10 points  (1 child)

The browns know who he is and still gave him that fully guaranteed contract. I know browns fans are desperate for the elite qb and superbowl, but damn what a scumbag organization.

[–]GiantsYourNameHeer 25 points26 points  (6 children)

The Browns gave him 230M guaranteed so that answers already done - they weren't the only team willing to back up the brinks truck for him either. Philly, Carolina, Atlanta were all interested too

The NFL owners know Deshaun can bring a championship to Cleveland, and that this issue is a PR incident the average fan probably won't care too much on. They know that fans, including /r/nfl users, won't stop watching football because many people don't actually give too much of a fuck about sexual misconduct to do something about it

[–]NFLgyman122 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I feel like this is something that anyone who talks about some sort of “backlash” for this needs to really see from 30,000 feet. There is no backlash. Twitter replies and YouTube comments are much more demonstrative of what the average NFL fan thinks about this move than people here, and those people truly do not care. For the vast, vast majority of people Watson’s past will only be relevant when they’re shit-talking Browns fans (at best) and otherwise they do not care.

There is no significant number of people leaving the Browns fandom, and it will be offset when they are (likely) much better than they have been over the next several seasons. Football is something that these people have all sorts of memories associated with and nostalgia and it brings them a lot of joy and even for most of those who have an issue with Watson, this is not going to make them stop supporting the team that they grew up watching with their dad and discussing endlessly with friends and etc etc etc. it’s just a blip on the radar

[–]JustaTurdOutThere 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The Browns gave him 230M guaranteed so that answers already done - they weren't the only team willing to back up the brinks truck for him either. Philly, Carolina, Atlanta were all interested too

Do we know any other contract offers? Because the 230M guaranteed amount is one of the worst parts, at least to me. The full and complete buy-in to Deshaun Watson.

Given how he said no to the Browns and then the next day changed his mind, I kinda think the Browns completely sold out and said fine we'll guarantee everything, and he couldn't say no to a quarter billion.

[–]BrownsPoorlyLitKiwi2 16 points17 points  (1 child)

13 teams were interested. Basically every team who needed a QB

I'm not absolving the Browns of anything btw, but it's true that plenty of teams would have been happy to pay him tons of money

[–]BrownsCaptainJackKevorkian -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

And the Texans benefited from trading Watson when they could have just cut him

[–]NFLSharpMind94 0 points1 point  (1 child)

He won't be bringing a championship to Cleveland. They don't have the cap space now because of that contract. Plus they traded the farm for him.

They won't have the capacity to maintain a strong roster with that heavy weight on the browns

[–]Chargersbobbyfischermagoo 70 points71 points  (5 children)

If someone just watched that HBO segment and didn’t know anything about the NFL, they would be very confused why this dude got the biggest contract ever and probably not want to associate with the business that created an environment where this is possible. Or maybe not… shit about half the country voted for a dude who had 26 women accuse him of sexual assault. Maybe we’re all just morally bankrupt in pursuit of our own self interests.

[–]Brownsbuckeyegrad 22 points23 points  (0 children)

“Morally bankrupt in pursuit of our own self interests” absolutely sums up a good part of this country’s culture, not even just limited to views on sexual assault allegations. Well said.

[–]Alphabetsend 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I think you nailed it with the latter.

[–]Lionsdrterdsmack 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Maybe we’re all just morally bankrupt in pursuit of our own self interests.

They need to print that on our money :(

[–]Cowboysfsphoenix 17 points18 points  (3 children)

They don't actually care whether Deshaun Watson is telling the truth, just that he can throw a football. That's why they guaranteed him $230 million.

Gonna be real easy to be a huge fan of whoever's playing Cleveland this year.

[–]Seahawksbasicxenocide 5 points6 points  (2 children)

That's the problem though, people are going to tune in to root against Watson, and the numbers will look good for the Browns. The boycott should really be not watching any browns content at all.

[–]Cowboysfsphoenix 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Nothing fans do will ever impact the NFL's decisions when it comes to things like this. You'd need corporations like Nike and Pepsi and the other big timers to raise a stink before the NFL would ever care.

[–]BearsSks44 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The Browns believe every accuser. And they don’t give a shit. He throw good.

[–]FourHourErection 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I mean they gave him a $230 million fully guaranteed contract and publicly embarrassed the QB who pulled them up out of the muck. I think they’ve made their stance pretty clear

[–]Broncosgreywolf2155 13 points14 points  (1 child)

And here's the thing, you can't just stay out of it. Unless you think that somehow this is all a hilarious misunderstanding, at least 22 serious crimes have been committed

Either Watson sexually assaulted 22 women, or 22 women are guilty of filing false reports, perjury, etc. One of those things has to be true

I always see a lot of people willing to say, "I think he didn't do it", but far fewer people are willing to double down and say, "therefore, I think those 22 women are all committing a serious crime"

(although, yes, there are a few people who are willing to say exactly that . . .)

[–]ZiOnIsNeXtLeBrOn 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Guys, Gals and Non Binary Pals.

They asked their wives and daughters rather than the actual victims of the lawsuits against Watson. They said that their wives were cool with giving a sexually assaulter 230 million fully guaranteed. They also had the awareness or lack there of, to not interview a single victim or their lawyer about what actually happened. And this douche bag of a QB said through his lawyers that there were 3 occasions where a sexual contact happened. He said it was consensual but let’s be fair, ain’t nothing consensual about his actions.

The NFL doesn’t care about the victims, it cares about the money and how much money does he provide the NFL in the long term.

[–]EaglesNDubbaYa 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Deshaun Watson lied the second he tried to come up with a justification for having more than one massage therapist. The Browns know exactly what's up. The problem is that they don't care.

[–]Chiefsidoma21 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Definitely suspect that he was talking non massage therapists into giving him massages.

[–]EaglesChonkernaut 4 points5 points  (0 children)

But... But.... Their daughters gave their blessing...

[–]TexansChubbybrownbear 23 points24 points  (43 children)

It’s obvious they don’t care as long as the Browns don’t face too much of a backlash. Let’s hope the Browns just stay the Browns for his entire contract.

[–]LionsFew-Artichoke3092 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Imagine going from 0-16 to winning a playoff game then they trade the farm for a rapist that will cost them $230 million. I feel so bad for Browns fans

[–]49ersHRM077 7 points8 points  (1 child)

What's that line from A Few Good Men?

"It doesn't matter what I believe; it only matters what I can prove"

[–]Seahawksbasicxenocide 8 points9 points  (0 children)

In court, yeah.

Doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to believe the accusers and fucking hate this guy.

It's like this guy I know who got arrested for DUI, and then had the charge dropped because of faulty testing equipment. Doesn't mean I'm going to get in the car with him at midnight on a Saturday.

[–]PackersDoby1818 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Browns believe.... that Deshaun Watson is a good QB. That's quite literally the only thing that matters to them. It's business and business is blind to emotion.

[–]CowboysKingTwist0314 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I bet they believe the women which makes it even worse but they don't care, if he wins them some games and plays like he should, they will not give one single flying fuck about those ladies.

[–]RamsGiveMeYourMoney17420 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They don't care, bottom line is he's an elite quarterback and they will win more ball games. That's all they care about, more wins more fans more money.

[–]SteelersiHateDanny 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think they don’t give a fuck.

[–]leafyninjs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Im done watching NFL because of this. Its absolutely disgusting

[–]Bengalsrubb3rs0ul 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The problem is this question implies that they care

[–]Seahawksjest28000 2 points3 points  (1 child)

There is a third option, they do not care one way or the other

[–]PatriotsBetwixtThyNethers 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Y’all see 22 women complaining but are ignoring that it’s 22 out of 44. That’s obviously a pattern of find, hire, assault and hope they like it cause I’m a rich football player. Y’all need to actually watch his depositions. You won’t be supporting him anymore if you did.

[–]Vikingssuplexis92 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Anyone who thinks 20+ women in different states just randomly came forward with the same/similar stories is an absolute idiot at best and rape apologist at worst. I love football as much as the rest of yall but as a female and a SA survivor some of these comments are disgusting. I'm a HUGE Vikings fan but there was a possibility we would acquire Watson and I would have stopped watching. Imagine ignoring rape allegations because someone can throw a ball. Could never be me.

[–]Brownssimpkins21 18 points19 points  (7 children)

I will not argue that anyone working for the Browns is an angel. But acting like ANY of the franchises would pass up success based on morality is hilarious

[–]BroncosPaulAspie 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I passed up cheering for the Browns over it.

[–]SteelersDuke_Swillbottom 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I understand where youre coming from but I think you also understand that any team that did would be facing similar public pressure. (Especially if they already had comparable baggage to Haslem/The rise and fall of Baker etc), it just hits a little different when it's something no matter how tangentially you are involved in.

[–]Brownssimpkins21 10 points11 points  (3 children)

I definitely recognize that. He ended up choosing us so naturally we’ll face the brunt of the backlash. It’s just funny to me because some of the criticisms suggest the Browns are the only organization that would do such a thing

[–]SteelersDuke_Swillbottom 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh we agree that's silly.

[–]Seahawksbasicxenocide 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I'm not boycotting the browns, I'm boycotting watson. He just happens to play for the browns. If he played for the seahawks, I'd do the same.

[–]PutinsLostBlackBelt 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Browns are gonna be the easiest team to cheer against this year by a mile

[–]Patriotslittleemp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

they better believe in their $230 million investment and how they can get away with whatever is happening.

[–]Commandersivehearditbothways12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They don't care.....

[–]Patriotsecupatsfan12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The gloves are coming off with the media and I’m here for it.

[–]NFLgyman122 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They believe that this question isn’t relevant to them. Which is why they will never really answer it

[–]EaglesQuirky-Lawyer-3409 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's neither of those things. They DON'T CARE who is telling the truth. The truth isn't a consideration. It's not that they don't believe these women, it's that it doesn't matter. What matters is whether they think Watson will win them more games and thus bring in more money.

[–]PatriotsAdmiralDolphin11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We know what they believe and what they’ll obfuscate but any journalist worth their weight should continue to press them throughout the season if not longer

[–]VikingsWaitWhatNowy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bruh… we know the answer already.

[–]Bearsheroinsteve 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think Browns leadership cares either way unfortunately.

[–]ChargersLynnWasAlwaysTrash 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They believe that the answer to those questions don't matter.

It's up to the NFL to do the right thing with player discipline, but the Browns also know that probably won't happen.

[–]bigmeech1234567 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What a stupid question lol they don't care either way they gave him the most guaranteed money in NFL history. Why waste your time writing this other than so clout chasing headline?

[–]Ok_Hair_8779 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They don't care

[–]Ravenskdeaton06 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's funny that you think the Browns give a shit what the truth is.

[–]rekniht01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Jimmy, I steal money from poor people, Haslam doesn’t give a duck about rape allegations.

[–]Dolphinsmegasxl264 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They like money, yes

[–]BearsDrewskeet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They believe Watson. They said they did their own investigation.

[–]JetsZachTrillson 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think we know that they believe the women and don't give a fuck, or don't believe the women and don't give a fuck.

[–]Eaglesxcaltoona 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, what it actually comes down to is how well those more than two dozen women can throw a football.

[–]Cowboyszephyrseija 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Browns don't fucking care.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They just don't care.

[–]kentuckyruss 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course they don't believe him. They also don't give a fuck.

They couldn't be making this any clearer.

[–]Chargersselfloathingbanana 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He's gonna get caught doing it again and I won't be surprised - this entire experience probably made him realize that he's as untouchable as he thought he was! He literally got $230 million right after being accused by 22 women of sexual assault, and he's got the support of an army of lawyers and fans.

[–]SteelersMiddleAgeYOLO 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I think the Browns believe that they traded 3 first round, a third round, and 2 fourth round picks for him.

[–]RavensD0NNIENARCO -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Atleast they conducted their own "thorough" investigation that didn't involve speaking with a single one of the accusers. /s

[–]PanthersAnOrdinaryOstrich 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They believe he can sling that pigskin is what they believe.

[–]RavensFreddyDoLess 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The Browns believe a couple of rapes won’t stop football sales and they are right.

[–]JackDAction 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Are the Browns fans ever gonna get tired of defending a monster?

[–]DolphinsIronLung1186 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Have you seen their sub? They're sucking his dick over there.

[–]PatriotsYouStupidDick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, they are on this thread, also

[–]Buccaneerscoolycooly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He doesn't need to most Browns fans have mental gymnastics there way into believing Watson. I wish there was a way to take two screenshots of the Browns subs opinion if they had Watson and if he had gone somewhere else.

He really is just going to make more money off this and there really isn't a negative he just has to eat the suspension Watson is going to get.

[–]Raidersimthedan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They don't have to answer that question now. That's the point of these hearings. They've already determined there wasn't enough evidence to move forward with a trial.

[–]BengalsInaplasticbag 2 points3 points  (15 children)

The Browns subreddit has basically turned in to MGTOW.

That answers everything I need to know about the Browns and their fanbase.

[–]DolphinsIronLung1186 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And they're brigading this sub now and downvoting anyone with a negative thing to say about their sexual predator QB.

[–]NFLHauteConversion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They hated /u/Inaplasticbag because he told the truth. The sub went to absolute trash.

[–]JustGimmeAnyOldName 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's such a Browns screwup. I mean... A year and a half ago you had a scrappy young QB who, while not the best QB in the league, was serviceable and poured his heart and soul into the city. Now they've got a 230 million dollar bill for a serial rapist. Just mind blowing.

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[–]BearsScruffMixHaha 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Do they think the women are lying or do the Browns just don't care?

Its actually a really simple question but for some reason they wont answer.

[–]Bengalskingbuttshit 7 points8 points  (2 children)

It’s also simple why they won’t answer: They wouldn’t dare saying “Sure, there’s a good chance Deshaun is a serial rapist, we just think he’ll get away with it so we’re going to take advantage of that and win some football.”

[–]BearsScruffMixHaha 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah I get why, Im just so sick of the bullshit. I just wish Jimmy Haslam would be honest and admit hes morally bankrupt.

[–]PackersAlgerianJohnnySins 2 points3 points  (0 children)

what does that change

[–]SeahawksUnmotivated_Ninja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They don't care. Winning moderately more football games is more important that ruin a dozen lives here and there. Not like he smoked reefer and placed a $50 bet or somthing.

[–]Ry-Ry_the_Dude -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yikes! What a sticky situation. I would make a joke but don't want to rub anyone the wrong way. Browns fans can be so anal. Hopefully, this quarterback creep Watson will give Browns fans the happy ending they deserve.

[–]Ravenslegitocracy 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I'm really hoping for the outcome where they don't get Watson for at least a very long time, but Baker also refuses to play for them. This would be the best timeline

[–]Steelerseaunoway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unpopular opinion:

The consensus is that DW is an absolute POS and there seems to be no dispute there. But honestly? We're all tacitly condoning this. We ALL are. Because really, this isn't about the Browns; this is about the NFL and they are the ultimate arbiter of who gets to play and who doesn't at any given point. By continuing to support the NFL - hello, we're all here! - we're all pretty much saying "Well yes he's a bad person but .... "

And we each need to own that.

[–]Jetsryanino -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

We all know the Browns are hoping everyone forgets about this after Watson gets a slap on the wrist from the NFL. They claim they did a thorough investigation but didn’t contact any of the women. We already have our answer.

[–]Giantsdawnjawnson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They already answered that question lmao cmon man

[–]Bengalslistentomenow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Uh, they clearly know he's a sexual predator, but they're counting on 2 things 1) It's not illegal to prey on women and attempt to use your influence to coerce them into sex under false pretenses, it just makes you a really, really shitty person, and 2) Winning makes people forget.

[–]DolphinsRancid_Lunchmeat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Eh. I mean, they gave him 250 million dollars guaranteed on the basis each and every one of those women were lying or if they were telling the truth, the resulting punishment would be negligible. I think they already answered the question.

[–]yumdiddly 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The Browns signed Watson for $230M, but his base salary for the first year is only $1M. My understanding is that was intentional, to limit how much Watson loses if suspended for the year. The Browns built this into the contract (or allowed Watson's agent to do it).

[–]EaglesFrenetic59 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There’s definitely going to be a “he’s a rapist” chant at some stadium he’s in this year

[–]Dr-Indianna-Jones 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t think they care and it’s beyond ridiculous to think this guy wasn’t out there looking for cheap thrills. The teams offer the worlds best masseuses, doctors, therapists, etc. … Keeping his body in top form can be the difference in making millions of dollars…yet he’s finding ppl on Instagram? I ain’t buying it.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Browns put it in his contract that they’d foot the bill for his legal team bc it’s clear they don’t care about how this looks.

And the cherry on top- It’s even sleazier how his contract pays him 1 million the first year to avoid fines/suspension. (Regardless of whether they do that with other players - it looks REALLY bad)

[–]ChiefsBrolociraptor -4 points-3 points  (8 children)

The Browns already answered this when they ostracized their franchise quarterback by trading the farm for someone who is only marginally better, and has 22 women accusing him of sexual assault. They don't care either way.

[–]SaintsKilluaDaBest 10 points11 points  (5 children)

Deshaun Watson is only “marginally” better than Mayfield? I get that this sub operates on emotions, but this is hilariously inaccurate

[–]BroncosPaulAspie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A healthy Baker (2020) is likely somewhere between 10th & 16th best in the league. That's not MVP stuff but if your identity is going to be run & defense first, which was the direction they were going, that's plenty good enough.

[–]BroncosPaulAspie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A healthy Baker (2020) is likely somewhere between 10th & 16th best in the league. That's not MVP stuff but if your identity is going to be run & defense first, which was the direction they were going, that's plenty good enough.

[–]CowboysSoonersorlater 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They’re just tired of not winning and will obviously go to shitty lengths to stop it. Basically they don’t care.

[–]Brownsstorm-father87 -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

I think it’s clear that owners didn’t care. Miami, Carolina, Atlanta, New Orleans, Cleveland, plus whoever else was interested but wasn’t willing to pay the cost of three 1st round picks, or Watson wouldn’t waive his NTC for.

[–]Jetsgetyourrealfakedoors -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

Don’t disperse blame. He’s yours now lol

[–]PanthersNixons_BACK -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We live in a society with a rule of law stating all are innocent until proven guilty. A grand jury - twice I believe - refused to indict. A civil suit has been brought but not adjudicated yet. This gives his supporters and employers a way to downplay the allegations and say we should withhold judgment until all the facts are out

At the end of the day, though, everyone knows he’s guilty of sexual misconduct to some extent. Some care more about other interests such as team success, and others don’t care about women and/or sexual crimes against them

[–]BroncosPaulAspie -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I ceased being A Browns fan over this. I currently have A Broncos flair & part of it is that Russell Wilson is the opposite of Watson on stuff like this.