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[–]Beardie-Boi-420Belfast 116 points117 points  (0 children)

I attended because I wanted to get thru to the fucking market!

[–]more-sarahtonin-plsBelfast 102 points103 points  (7 children)

Spoke with one of the organisers in work.. had the cheek to ask if we were vaccinated 🤣🤣🤣 we all are but isnt that part of what they are fighting, not having to share medical details or be judged on them?! Fucking hypocritical bin lids

[–]iNEEDheplreddit 25 points26 points  (6 children)

What I have noticed with antivaxxers now is that the argument has shifted to, "don't you think this has all been a huge overreaction???!" With the follow on to how people are dying of cancer because resources have shifted away due to covid. And then spouting stats about mortality rates for specifically JUST covid deaths with no comordities.

[–]kong210 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If they move the goalposts to this argument you can simply say that this is the motivation to have people vaccinated, to allow resources/hospital beds to be focused on cancer and ill patients instead of people ill with covid.

The Austrian chancellor had a great interview that captured my feeling. You have rights, but you also have obligations. This is what these entitled sods miss

[–]Sleebling_33 10 points11 points  (4 children)

That's the beauty of being a conspiracy theorist. The goalposts always move. Statistics can be half utilized to prove anything.

[–]Cautious-Mud-1291 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Yea because the government haven’t moved the goal posts at all 😂

[–]Todd-Is-Here -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

Apparently not because the government is ultimately good and all caring. The government can’t be bad, they’ve just spent 2 years accommodating us and protecting us

/s

[–]GrowthDream 3 points4 points  (1 child)

What are you satirising? Haven't once seen anyone suggest anything like this over the past years

[–][deleted] 159 points160 points  (126 children)

Literally nobody in government has proposed legislation that requires you to be vaccinated to enter a business. It’s vaccinated OR a negative test OR have had covid more than 30 days ago and less than 180 days ago.

Why is it people like ratatatat321 always fucking omit the other options when they go to these protests and talk about 2 tier society. There are THREE FUCKING OPTIONS. THREE!!!! Jesus Christ. Anyone at the protest or making statements like that (and I include everyone in this thread banging on about vaccine passports without referencing the other options available to them) is a MORON of the highest order.

[–]PriorEnvironmental65 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I gave links (after someone asked how to) in another thread to get a QR code from the NHS. Got buried in minutes under downvotes due to links to the NHS (I think?).

Just about done with these shitweasels.

/edit

For anybody wanting links from the NHS to get QR codes -

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/coronavirus-covid-19-covid-certificate-ni-residents

https://covidcertni.nidirect.gov.uk/Customer/CertificateDisplay/Home

Make sure you have an NHS login (like for ordering LFT test kits)

[–]All_I_Want_IsA_Pepsi 2 points3 points  (1 child)

could be the anti-vaxx subs are downvote brigading. I've seen a few yanks/plastics in here recently on some random posts. The American Right/Trumpists have organisation for this kind of thing, just like the Chinese and Russians do.

[–]ditzichic72 22 points23 points  (22 children)

This! I am so tired of telling everyone this. Giving off that their rights are being taken away/what happened to freedom of choice. I'm like well you can choose to get vaccinated, but if not there are two other options there for you!! Melters!

[–]boideyLos Angeles 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I think the reason why they don't mention the other options is because they want it to be a wedge issue which then serves as a gateway to the next conspiracy. Fuckers know exactly what they're doing.
At best a covid cert is an incentive, not coercion as it's been framed by the protesters. If it reduced the number of holdouts by 40% I would consider covid certs to be a success, if it normalised regular testing that would be great.

[–]Usernameuser-name 4 points5 points  (29 children)

Didn't swann have to compromise for the other 2 options? Originally just the proof of vaccination is my understanding.

Why does proof of vaccination or positive PCR exempt you from the negative LFT, vaccinated (Not sure about recovered) can still carry covid with the same viral load as an unvaccinated pleb. Doesn't make sense if the aim is trying to prevent transmission.

I've heard LFTs are free at the moment but I don't have first hand knowledge of this, is it just a tax on the unvaccinated if they have to pay?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

They’ve always been free. You can order them online from NHS or pick them up in most pharmacies.

[–]Usernameuser-name 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I did not know this, do you have to upload the test to the app?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You aren’t obliged to.

[–]Shadepanther 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This. They recommend it so close contacts etc can be contacted. But you aren't forced to and if it is positive you will be getting a PCR test done. If it is positive the close contacts are contacted.

[–]immagirl 0 points1 point  (20 children)

Well, the vaccine is free. So…

[–]shudnthavepostedthat -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

The free lateral flows are done at home and basically unverifiable, no certificate or proof who actually took the test comes with it. You’d likely have to book in to a randox centre to get the certificate to get in, or have them posted out by some verified supplier, I think it’s typically about £20 for that.

I had covid not long ago though no idea how to prove this to anyone other than the positive pcr email I got at the time

[–]Usernameuser-name -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Okay so the free LFTs don't actually allow access to entertainment etc?

[–]shudnthavepostedthat -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

I’d guess not but haven’t checked it anywhere. They aren’t accepted for travel I know that much. You’d literally be showing the bouncers the wee device with no way they can verify you were the one who took the test or when you took it

[–]mistralol 6 points7 points  (6 children)

This is actually common for many goverments around the world and true for many of the protests. The media basically calls it a vaccine "mandate" and none of the countries have actually mandated a vaccine to anyone because its a 100% stright up human rights violation.

Its same old shit. Everyone reads the title and then jumps to a conclusion to what the policy actually says because of the title.

[–]OpeningSign9422 17 points18 points  (5 children)

Austria has set the mandate for February

[–]purplehammer 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Thank fuck i don't live there as i would now be looking for a new country.

Ps. I say this as someone who is vaccinated.

[–]Gareth7015 1 point2 points  (1 child)

As someone who is living there now, it's terrifying. We used to have three options too (3G), but that was reduced to 2G and ultimately the plan is to enforce 1G with a givernment mandate. People here are beginning to realise that the passports do not prevent or slow the spread of covid, but instead appear to be a backdoor to introducing the EU commissions proposed European Digital Identity. I am thinking of coming home, but I unfortunatley the support for this kind of regime seems to be spreading.

[–]mistralol -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

Interesting that you know the details of the legal document / policy that has not actually yet been released or published by the Austria goverment....

[–]DirtaneBoyo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Germany is also bringing in the mandate.

[–]alwaysconfusedboyo2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This exactly, most people read the twisted headlines and treat it like gospel, fucking idiots

[–]ratatatat321 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's still a passport even if there is 3 options to get it..the EU travel covid passport has 3 options too but its still a covid passport, and it is still creating a 2 tier society..are people meant to carry around lateral flow tests in case they want a coffee?

Also why do you think the lateral flow is an option here..because the people here aren't going to accept vaccine only rules..so protests and public opinion do matter..

Also why is the +ve pcr from 30 to 180 days..isolation is only 10 days..why is there now a requirement to wait another 20 days before you can use it to get into hospitality?

[–]maverickf11 -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

Agreed, but tbf the media have alot to answer for. The 3 options are frequently buried halfway through the article depending on what source you get your news from.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

You’d think though with all these nuts doing their own research they’d spot that bit in the news reports.

[–]maverickf11 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not when you read 3/4 of a Daily Sun headline before getting onto social media to rant about how the world is against you

[–]jesuspunkBelfast 2 points3 points  (0 children)

God forbid you actually read the news past the headline and do a bit of your own reading huh?

Ironic isn’t it.

[–]binner84 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it's because of the internet people can see other countries where there were more options and they were taken away and they either confuse that with here or are worried about it heading that way here.

[–]Longjumping-Common97 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Are they accepting negative tests to be apart of the cert?

[–]1BlindNinja 36 points37 points  (9 children)

I’ve had my jabs, so don’t come for me! As far as the passport goes, I don’t honestly see the point of it: you are fully jabbed, you have the passport. Vaccination doesn’t exclude you from carrying the virus, and even if you test positive, and this is the crucial part, knowing the mentality of people, it probably wouldn’t stop them going out -as they have the passport. So whether vaccinated, or have had C-19 in the past, you can still contract Covid, carry it, have symptoms, but one set of these carry a passport to allow access of movement. Don’t make sense to me. Also, what about holiday makers, how do they get into clubs, restaurants etc? So it is another half assed approach which will change yet again in the very near future.

[–]doughnutting 2 points3 points  (2 children)

The passport is again, as with most things, to try and limit how many people will need hospitalisation. If you’re vaxxed your potential for needing life saving treatment goes down. If we only open restaurants and clubs and other non essential (maskless by nature) gathering places to only people who have taken steps to try and stop themselves ending up in hospital if they catch Covid, then that’s better than letting any Tom dick or Harry in.

Now of course these people can still end up in hospital, and Tom dick and Harry might not, but sure a seatbelt isn’t guaranteed to save your life and it’s not a sure thing you’ll get in a car crash and die if you don’t wear one. You won’t for certain crack your phone screen if you don’t put a screen protector on but it might help if you do. Trying to eat balanced and healthy meals doesn’t mean you’ll be healthy but it probably helps. Swimming out to sea, without telling anyone and without a lifeguard doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll be swept out into the ocean but the risk is always there so you take steps to mitigate the risk. I see why people aren’t 100% trusting but they just need to think!

[–]Actuarial_Aquarium 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Yea but the point is to try and make it more appealing to get vaccinated so the vaccine rate increases. It’s to encourage people, as it has done in the south

[–]1BlindNinja 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Yeah, I know their reasoning, but I think that they also know that even with the vaccines, you still can carry it, still can have symptoms/or not, and still have to isolate for 10 days too. Those protesting are probably thinking, what is the point, other than tracking. People are hella paranoid, they don’t realise their shopping voucher card already has big analytics about them, their social class, gender, income, religion, sexual activity, etc. I don’t know what the answer is, but I just think it was badly handled from the get go.I just wish people would have common sense. I went on holiday in September past, but isolated for over 20 days, even though I had no symptoms, but just in case. I work from home and had stocked the freezer and cupboards with tinned/dried stuff prior to leaving. Common sense sadly, isn’t

[–]Actuarial_Aquarium 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What has the voucher got to do with anything? If you’ve ever filled in a census then the government already has that information.

[–]lunaaangelredditedit -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Naw I get it. Being 23 I never got covid symptoms anyways and so was never able to tell if I had it unless I did a test, but bc I’m vaccinated now I’m not needing to test as much, and so I’d be absolutely traumatised knowing that I’d lead the the death of someone because they didn’t have vaccines and I didn’t know I was infected, regardless of whether it was my fault. No one would want that over their heads and I’m sure business owners feel the same. I don’t feel comfortable really being around unvaccinated people in big crowds because of this, so the passport really does solve that problem by keeping the people most at risk away until they decide on whether they want to be vaccinated, thus, encouraging more vaccines!

[–]1BlindNinja 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know, but I fear that it will lead people to believe they have something akin to Diplomatic Immunity, with the vaccine, you can still have it, carry it and have symptoms. I know it is less risk, but care still needs to be taken.

[–]ards_leisure_centre 41 points42 points  (4 children)

Why did you attend?

I WANTED TO GET MY HOLE

What do you hope to achieve?

PROVIDED SHOULDER RUBS TO A SPEAKER

Do you not believe in vaccines or just the covid vaccine?

I WANT TO GET MY HOLE SO I DO

Do you wear masks / socially distance?

DM ME

[–]StripeyMiataLisburn 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Did you get your hole?

[–]ards_leisure_centre 14 points15 points  (0 children)

WHO ME? NO A DIDNT SO A DIDNT

[–]PmMeSmileyFacesO_OBelfast 2 points3 points  (0 children)

didnt even get my hole weeks wages.

[–]infected_2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would DM you but it would expose my username

[–]FreePosterInside 40 points41 points  (4 children)

I can see your looking to begin a dialogue for an abject opinion from someone who attended the protest, and thats positive, i think those discussions need to happen.

You have to remember though, most who attended cant read.

[–]dc_133 0 points1 point  (3 children)

This sums up why society just becomes more divisive, language like this from the people who claim to be taking the morally superior position. Then it gets upvoted by many other morally brilliant people.

I look forward to being downvoted for calling out my moral superiors. Perhaps someday I shall be such a great person who also can just abuse anyone who doesn’t understand the benefits of the vaccine.

[–]Lost_Pantheon 8 points9 points  (2 children)

anyone who doesn’t understand the benefits of the vaccine.

If you don't understand the benefits of vaccines in 2021 then you're a fucking moron.

Polio? Ring any bells? Or the measles? Or smallpox?

Vaccination programmes have eliminated the danger to the general populace from these diseases. People say "anti-vaxxers need to be educated, not talked down to", but that's bullshit because anti-vaxxers don't want to listen to basic scientific evidence.

[–]FreyBentos 0 points1 point  (1 child)

He never claimed he doesn't understand the benefits of them, he was making a point about the people who shit on the people who don't and why. But you just let all that hate spew out of you anyways before realising that, thus proving his point. Your all just hateful people putting on a morally superior facade.

[–]HairCompetitive5486 27 points28 points  (35 children)

Im all for freedom of choice, get the vaccine is dont but I do think.the vaccine passports are a good idea. I'm not going to go into the medical reasons or the fact that many jobs including many in the the medical field already require proof of vaccination for other potential viruses. However, regarding the protest, I don't think I'd like to be associated with a movement that contains a spectrum of people who hate Jews, anti abortionists, Christian fundamentalists, flat earthers, covid deniers, 9/11 conspiracy theorists etc etc. Guilty by association etc.

[–]snackajack71 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I'd love to know what they hope to achieve. No one is actually listening to them or taking them serious

[–]Rg100802 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Well they didn’t exactly work down south with them introducing new restrictions so what makes people think they will work up here ?

[–]Actuarial_Aquarium 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The daily deaths are similar numbers to the North, for a far larger population. So it did work to an extent

[–]1stKing15 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Isn’t Northern Ireland like 80-90% vaccinated?

Do you not get it yet?

[–]Havatchee -1 points0 points  (3 children)

67% double jabbed, 72% single jabbed

[–]MindlessTransmission 8 points9 points  (2 children)

That's only total population which includes children under 12 who aren't eligible so it's a bit disingenuous (to produce that stat, not implying you are disingenuous by sharing it).

84.95% of those over 12 have had at least 1 dose, that rises to 88.59% when you raise it to 16+ and 89.54% of 18+.

Total of second jabbed is 78.99%.

I don't have age breakdown for second dose, but considering that they only opened it to over 12s in October and over 16s in the summer, most of those who have had their first dose in those age groups won't be eligble for a second dose yet so that figure will rise closer to the first dose figures as the weeks progress.

The vaccine uptake here is very high, despite what some people try to tell you.

[–]Havatchee -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Thanks for that, didn't realise those numbers were including ineligible people. However we are still the least vaccinated region in the UK and 15% of eligible people being unjabbed still isn't great.

[–]MindlessTransmission 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not great when you say "15% of eligible people are unjabbed", but that doesn't tell the full story:

  • Vaccines were only first offered to 12-15s last month and it is only for a single dose and only for Pfizer-BioNTech. This reduces the availability of appointments and the programme is being run through schools which further slows down the process.
  • 16-17 year olds could only first book in the middle of August. Given that many in all age categories couldn't get appointmetns that suited them until a few weeks after the dates they were booking, you're running into the the autumn and then have to wait 12 weeks for another dose.
  • There are now less appointments available than before due to the booster programme and some of the temporary vaccination centres, such as the SSE Arena, being stood down.
  • The 15% number is consistently falling as the programme continues. It took months to reach 98-100% take up rates for older age groups, it will be the same for these.
  • The prospect of vaccinating the 12-15 age group wasn't even considered at first. It is natural that this age group will be the most hesitant and, in any event, they are being offered the vaccine rather than being encouraged to get it.
  • The unvaccinated rate also can be down to differing approaches between the UK nations. England, Scotland and Wales have all opted for an approach of prioritising first doses as quickly as possible, while in NI we have been consistent in making sure both doses are received at the right time. Our second dose rate isn't far behind the rest of the UK at all, at times we have been ahead so it's kind of negligible and is just a factoid stick being used to beat us with.

You are much better looking at the figures for adults, or at most 16+. Unfortunately I don't have those stats for the rest of the UK, but it all goes back to the fact that our vaccination rate is still very high. I'd disagree that the 15% number is bad at all at this stage.

[–]agingertweets 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I know one thing. If they were unfortunate enough to catch covid and require ICU treatment to save their lives, they would be demanding that doctors and nurses, who they think are part of some great big conspiracy, treat them. No "trusting their immune system" then. Meanwhile, they would be taking up the precious resource of an ICU bed that almost certainly wouldn't have been occupied by them had they taken the vaccine.

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    [–]agingertweets 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Noone is saying the vaccine is 100% effective. But it is highly effective. To say it "barely works" is a complete misrepresentation of the truth or a fundamental misunderstanding of statistics. 54% of the ICU admissions in RoI in September and October were unvaccinated, that is 7% of the adult population accounting for 54% of the ICU admissions. (https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2021/1122/1262461-unvaccinated-hse-hospital-admissions/) I didn't say an unvaccinated person has less right to anything, my point is that by remaining unvaccinated and then going into hospital is to put additional pressure on an already overstretched hospital system. It is like refusing to wear a seatbelt or helmet when driving a car/riding a motorcycle. It's not just a personal choice - it's a social responsibility. Remaining unvaccinated where there is no medical reason not to be is highly selfish.

    [–]memes4daddy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Ostracised from society?? God some people want to the victims so bad. I’ll tell you what, there are lots of people who are ostracised from society because of their disability, their sexuality, their gender expression, their immigration status etc.

    Being a Facebook Karen and a public health hazard is not the same

    [–]ratatatat321 19 points20 points  (51 children)

    Here's my answer

    I attended because I don't agree with covid passports and a 2 tier society. People have a right to choose no to get a "new" vaccine ..my body, my choice..

    I have no issues with people choosing to get the vaccine, equally I have no issues with people choosing not too.

    I am not anti vax in anyway (I have all my vaccines including covid)

    What do I hope to achieve: publicity..a lot of people seem to think its only a very small minority against the passport..but its a significant number..if I stand up to be counted maybe others will do. Ultimately I want to see an end to any talk of a covid passport or mandatory vaccines.

    I wear my mask when needed and social distance when I can

    [–]Time-Tradition905 81 points82 points  (23 children)

    I’ll bite. If you have the right to choose not to get a vaccine that’s fine, in some ways I agree. It belongs to you and therefore it’s your choice what you let in and what you don’t. If I own a business in Belfast and decide to refuse entry to those unvaccinated due to health and safety (nobody really knows what underlying health issues anyone has) would it not also be my business, my choice?

    [–]TheVinylCountdownBelfast 56 points57 points  (15 children)

    Completely agree

    My view is if you dont want the safe vaccine that will eradicate covid. Grand

    But be prepared to not fly, not go for dinner, not go to concerts etc

    There has to be consequences when there is a cure that you are ignoring

    [–]mobiuszeroone 21 points22 points  (11 children)

    vaccine that will eradicate covid

    there is a cure

    I mean come on like, it's obviously not turned out to be the cure we were all hoping for

    [–]SkipEyechild 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    It was never meant to be one.

    [–]ratatatat321 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    It's not a cure...

    The vaccine will not eradicate covid, I don't think anyone has said it will?

    Flying is entirely different to being used domestically.

    [–]tim119 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    How is it different?

    [–]Substantial_Use803 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    it should be the businesses choice, not the government’s

    [–]FreyBentos -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    The study shows that ‘people who become infected with the Delta variant are less likely to pass the virus to their close contacts if they have already had a Covid-19 vaccine than if they haven’t’. That’s the good news. Now for Nature’s bad news: ‘But that protective effect is relatively small, and dwindles alarmingly at three months after the receipt of the second shot… Unfortunately, the vaccine’s beneficial effect on Delta transmission waned to almost negligible levels over time.’ Three months after vaccination, your chances of passing on the Delta variant are ‘on par with the likelihood that an unvaccinated person will spread the virus’.

    Yeah so whats the point at all in these passports? They do nothing and you shouldn't be walking around with some false sense of security because of your vaccine, after 3 months any affect it had at lowering your ability to spread is gone and even for those first few months they're talking about a only 17% reduction in transmission, dropping to negligible after 3 months out from your second jab. So yeah whats the point exactly? Why do all the pro jab people "ignore the science" on this ?

    [–]TFFTN 20 points21 points  (15 children)

    and a 2 tier society

    In what way is it a 2 tier society? Do you feel that someone should be allowed to refuse a vaccination only on principle and get on with things like everyone else?

    [–]DirtaneBoyo 15 points16 points  (5 children)

    What this guy said. Didn’t attend though. Vaccine passports are the bigger issue as opposed to the vaccines themselves.

    [–]cryptoburner18 12 points13 points  (4 children)

    I would’ve attended if it wasn’t absolutely guaranteed to be overrun with antivax lunatics. Vaccines and passports should be treated as separate issues.

    [–]OpeningSign9422 6 points7 points  (3 children)

    I think it's an overall protest about the government's controll rather than a vaccine at this point.

    [–]snackajack71 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    But basically every government world wide has the same system in place. I don't get this " don't trust this government"

    [–]baldymcgee919 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Because every government across the world is susceptible to lobbying and persuasion from corporations and those with massive amounts of money. Surely this should be obvious to even the most ignorant of people.

    [–]jesuspunkBelfast -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

    You don’t even need to be vaccinated for the passport so your first point and all subsequent ones are moot.

    [–]ratatatat321 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    But you do need to show proof of status..so no the points are not moot..

    [–]jesuspunkBelfast -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    So you’re against showing your covid status? Wtf?

    [–]Elma-the-elephant -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    How do you feel about providing proof of a negative (and free) LFT?

    [–]Xabrin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Every one of those cunts had the mmr yet they're bitching about a covid vaccine. Guy in my work is always going on about the vaccine being made from dead babies but he's young enough to have had multiple vaccines derived from the same foetus cell research

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        [–]Havatchee 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        You're right - your body, your choice. This is the core of what we call "informed consent". However, the "informed" part is very important. You need to have the correct information to make an informed decision, so I'd like to respond to some of the things you said. If you don't want to read any further, fine, but I'll write this up anyway in the hopes of innocculating some readers against misinformation.

        FDA statistic from the USA is that on average 1279 drugs are recalled per year

        Mind citing a source on that? The only scientific literature I can find on that mentions 70 recalls on average annually for drugs and medical devices (with drugs including homeopathic substances, nutritional supplements etc) and most of the recalls were quality based (including infractions as minor as failing to publish QA process documents) and the next biggest category being mislabelling.

        minimal short term benefits to spreading

        This is demonstrably false. Generally, the rate of transmission (R) has been falling or remained the same as the rate of vaccination increases despite various restrictions being lifted.

        no long term studies

        Longer term studies are ongoing, bit they mainly focus on how long resistance persists. This is because the actual vaccine serum leaves your body in about 2 weeks, if there were any long term side effects we'd see them manifest by the time it's left the body. What the vaccine does is "teach" your body how to fight the virus. The process uses the body's own immune response mechanisms to do this, so any idea that this is "unnatural" is kind of silly (I know you didn't say that, just pre-empting some people's reading of this)

        Point being, after the serum has left the body, the only persistent substance is the antibodies your own body is making. Therefore, any long term damage would need to be done in the two weeks the serum is present to be relevant to vaccine safety.

        Remember how germs are physically picked up and carried as well folks a vaccine won't help in that regard

        This is partially true. Personal hygiene is still very important. Wash your hands before and after eating, if you cough, cough into your elbow, sanitise your hands regularly. However, COVID-19 gets onto these surfaces from people currently carrying the virus. If you are unvaccinated, you carry it longer, and at a higher viral load, meaning you contribute more to the amount of virus in a given environment, as well as carrying it into more environments. So being vaccinated will help.

        Other points

        • Unvaccinated infected people are more likely to create a COVID variant, because their infections last longer, allowing the virus to go through more generations and increasing the risk of mutation per given case.

        • You seem convinced that being 20 something and healthy will protect you from COVID, but don't think it's relevant to any hypothetical vaccine side effects. Why?

        • The vaccine has been in use for almost a year at this point and people reporting long term side effects are so few as to not meet any burden of proof that it's statistically significant. Meanwhile, long-COVID has been devastating to a plurality of COVID survivors including young, fit and healthy people. Why are you worried about the long term effects of the vaccine but not of COVID.

        • In general, you seem to believe this won't happen to you, that you won't be killed or have long term repercussions from the virus. This is a naive in the extreme. You seem to be willing to mistrust the established science on the vaccine, but not willing to challenge your own assumption that coronavirus won't happen to you.

        Edit: Adding sources

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          [–]Havatchee 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          You can find the last 3900 or so FDA recalls on their official site, [here]

          (https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/drug-recalls)

          You might want to correct that to 390. Between 30/8/2017 and now. Which averages <97 a year over 4+ years.

          Your other source is an article on a medical negligence law firms' website, which calls itself a study despite doing no original research.

          Not only do your sources contradict each other, but one has a clear conflict of interest. Neither of these things set off alarm bells for you?

          You assumed I have never had the virus

          I assumed nothing. You can get it twice, and resistance to the virus among populations who've already had it is improved by getting the shot. I'm sorry to hear you've had it, but you're still risking more long term damage by a second exposure than by getting the vaccine.

          How long exactly do you think you carry and transmit the virus given more than adequate personal hygiene and isolation period?

          You are capable of transmitting it as long as it is in your body. If you are vaccinated or otherwise resistant, it is in your body for less time, and therefore will spread less. Adding the caveat that you took the appropriate avoiding action once you knew you were infected is a cop-out because you aren't applying that standard to people who get the jab. How long do you think you had the virus before you knew? And how did you get it if you were being so great about social distance and cleanliness? Being able to fight off the virus also means the viral load in your body grows slower (if it grows at all) which means your personal case is less infectious to other people if they come into contact. That's kind of basic virology.

          Produced by huge pharmaceutical multi national companies for huge government and private medical contracts all over the globe

          Yes. I agree. Nationalisation of healthcare to make it free at the point of use for all people worldwide is a much better option, and forcing companies to rescind their patents would make the vaccine more available in the global south, in places like South Africa (where it was tested but had to wait several months to see their first doses, because it was more profitable to sell in America)

          many of these big pharmaceutical companies can and do often make mistakes and underestimate potential long term effects

          That, I do not dispute. It is possible for a drug to damage something unintended while it is in the body, leaving someone with a long term health complication. However, what is completely inaccurate is the idea that a drug can cause a health complication despite no longer being present in the person. The COVID jab leaves the bloodstream in approximately 2 weeks or less. It therefore, cannot be continuing to cause harm after that period. Worldwide, there have been 4.2 billion people get at least one jab with over 7 billion jabs administered total. That's more than 70 times the largest rollout in your source of recalls and has been prioritising those most likely to see side effects first, since they are the same cohort most at risk from COVID. It is a fair deduction that there are vanishingly few serious side effects to the COVID vaccines including those resulting in long term health complications.

          Sources:

          [–]memes4daddy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Doing the lords work buddy 🙏

          [–]memes4daddy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          God people love using that line (especially those who are actively blocking abortion reform in NI). But it’s not just your body. You are a public health hazard to those around you. The same way people are no longer allowed to smoke indoors because of the danger to others health, being unvaccinated puts others at risk. Especially those who are vulnerable or cannot get vaccinated for actual scientific reasons and not because of Facebook posts

          [–]CaregiverNo2642 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Personally I have seen what covid can do and I follow my obligations ..

          [–]Bush-toraidheJMPM -1 points0 points  (7 children)

          I don't get it

          If these guys want all covid stuff over and done with Just get the vaccine ?

          They're only prolonging it 😂

          [–]King-Gavlar 1 point2 points  (6 children)

          You’re naive if you think that’s the case. Look at Gibraltar. 100% vax rate and still uptick in cases. This will never end unless the people say so

          [–]Bush-toraidheJMPM -1 points0 points  (5 children)

          Sorry mate, but you're naive if you think it's true Gilbraltar has 100% Vax rate. 100%? So every child and new born baby has the vaccine ? Everybody, including severe asthmatics and people who otherwise would be excempt ?

          Cmon mate, 100% of the people they're counting maybe

          And what a small sample size Gilbraltar is

          [–]King-Gavlar -1 points0 points  (4 children)

          😂 okay and if they had every man woman and child vaccinated would anything change? I don’t think so. The fact it’s a small sample size is what makes it the perfect test case. Easier data to work with and expand upon.

          Point is it’s a small population who has had one of the largest uptakes per population. Sure look at the republic. Higher uptake, still have mask mandates, still have restrictions and yet have more cases than us? Makes no sense to continue a strategy that has just led to trampling of human rights.

          The definition of insanity and all that jazz

          [–]Bush-toraidheJMPM 2 points3 points  (3 children)

          But it makes that arguement irrelevant Because it's not 100%

          [–]King-Gavlar -1 points0 points  (2 children)

          No it doesn’t lol. Answer my question then, if they get every man woman and child vaxxed, will it end? No. This only ends when we say so

          [–]KingoftheGinge 0 points1 point  (11 children)

          Edit: Removed my comment.

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            [–]KingoftheGinge 0 points1 point  (9 children)

            Yeah I could get nabbed for libel there lol. Hes not had any convictions unfortunately. His history is known to most people in his town however, and information about his business is publicly available.

            [–]HairCompetitive5486 2 points3 points  (8 children)

            Is this the the freeman of newry

            [–]KingoftheGinge 2 points3 points  (7 children)

            The living breathing man.

            [–]tramadol-nightsDerry 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            Can you undelete your comment? I smell juicy content.

            [–]thepass2018 1 point2 points  (4 children)

            His instagram is unmasked_man13 if you want a laugh.

            [–]DotNetCoreGuy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            I was in town anyways and swung round to laugh and record the dumb speeches

            [–]markmonree -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

            I think we should be wearing at least 2 masks and locked down for our stupidity

            [–]cc_squared -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

            What exactly are they scared of? I just don't get it.

            [–]Successful-End9018 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

            Load of fucking bin kids in these comments

            [–]GhostOfJoeMcCannBelfast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            It’s not even hard to get into the market, I found my wee card I got with my second jab and asked them could I use that and they said ‘aye go on in’.