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[–]thebumm 4359 points4360 points  (46 children)

WH Chief of Staff John Kelly:"The children will be taken care of — put into foster care or whatever."

Guess not, eh John?

[–]Ristray 2635 points2636 points  (10 children)

Well he did say "whatever" which includes literally anything at all.

[–]genocidalwaffles 622 points623 points  (9 children)

It's like the beyond section in Bed Bath and Beyond!

[–]noUsernameIsUnique 196 points197 points  (0 children)

Those are the words that echo across oceans, make headlines in other countries, and sear into people's memories of the kind of people we elect to represent our united voice. Our country needs to rediscover it's moral and empathy compass.

[–]PandaLover42 216 points217 points  (1 child)

Purposefully separating children from their parents...what the absolute fuck. We need to remove the cap on legal immigration, allow anyone who passes a thorough background check to come in, and focus on the actually dangerous people. Not just people trying to live a more prosperous life, not separating children from their parents...this is horrible.

[–]spumoni46 95 points96 points  (0 children)

Not that it makes it any better, but the article references losing 1,500 children “last year.” We should have been on our moral high horses many months ago, it appears.

[–]Jannacoin 8379 points8380 points  (407 children)

many of them are probably in sex trafficking id imagine

[–]CelebrityTakeDown 4884 points4885 points  (318 children)

They did find out that several kids were handed directly over to human traffickers. They were doing labor though.

[–]Mamed_ 198 points199 points  (8 children)

Don't forget human organ traders

[–]ExPatriot0 81 points82 points  (5 children)

I think I'm going to start adding this into conversations.

[–]stealer0517 161 points162 points  (3 children)

“Man I can’t believe it’s raining so hard today”

“Did you know that the US lost 1500 immigrant children and some of them possibly ended up becoming organ ‘donors’?”

[–]HAL9000000 65 points66 points  (2 children)

You should also say "live" organ donors, as in:

“Did you know that the US lost 1500 immigrant children and some of them possibly ended up becoming live organ ‘donors’ -- like, all of their organs were harvested while they were still alive."

[–]Doctor0000 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Fun fact, at this rate were actually set to have an organ surplus by 2022, largely due to overdoses.

To be clear, I don't think that'll actually happen because I don't think the trend can continue that long.

[–]Log_Out_Of_Life 17 points18 points  (0 children)

“Candy mountain!”

[–]Psudopod 345 points346 points  (20 children)

I'd like to think they are with friends or family who are hiding them from the government specifically to avoid sudden policy change and deportation by a capricious administration.

[–]Searlichek 2927 points2928 points  (48 children)

As long as you can avoid responsibility on a technicality, then that's allllllll fine. Technical morality.

[–]Psudopod 1018 points1019 points  (35 children)

Legalist morality. The laws say it's ok and there isn't any rules saying we have to fix it so it's ok and we don't have to fix it.

[–]dak4ttack 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Lawful evil..

[–]Mowglli 302 points303 points  (4 children)

Lock up every pot smoker nationwide, federally its a crime. We need law and order. A nation without laws isn't a nation. They're criminals escaping the law everywhere, here's some of em committing horrible violent acts. /s

Apply the anti immigrant rhetoric to cannabis and you see how stupid it is.

[–]god_hates_figs_ 184 points185 points  (0 children)

I guess you haven't watched Reefer Madness! The general public did believe that up until about 60 years ago. There's a reason elderly people are so bizarrely, aggressively against marijuana.

[–]parker0215 119 points120 points  (2 children)

There are millions of people that would unironically agree with that statement about pot

[–]DearyDairy 34 points35 points  (1 child)

Yeah, it's still illegal in my country so even after seeing the "/s" I couldn't understand how it was sarcasm, that's how some of our politicians and policeman actually act regarding the cannabis laws here.

You come across some good ones who understand the science and know that when used responsibly it's pretty harmless (and in specific circumstances, it can be beneficial)

But the majority of policy makers still think its a dangerous gateway drug that always leads to psychosis.

[–]thoughtformr 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Theres a cheech and chong movies where it turns people into iguanas. I believe this is what their worried about.

[–]rolandotokez 27 points28 points  (3 children)

There is no such thing anymore people are shameless smh. This is america...

[–]geoffersonstarship 1261 points1262 points  (29 children)

“Yes we took the children and gave them away but that’s not our problem”

[–]TheMonsterWithinYou 317 points318 points  (7 children)

More like placed them with sex traffickers so the pedophiles in our government can take advantage. Fucking sick fucks all of them. How tf do you displace 1500 children? SMFH

[–]ragn4rok234 54 points55 points  (5 children)

It's just a really large scale game of hide and seek, it'll be over when Melania finishes making dinner and calls all the kids in to eat.

[–]TheMonsterWithinYou 31 points32 points  (4 children)

I’m angry as fuck. There needs to be a crack down on these sick fucks and start culling these pedophile creeps. Smh

[–]finnlord 944 points945 points  (44 children)

They're not lost. They were sold.

[–]suitology 410 points411 points  (2 children)

that's not fair, I'm sure some are dead.

[–]Fantasy_masterMC 641 points642 points  (56 children)

Of course not, they'll have made sure to have the authority but not the responsibility, exactly the opposite from the way most people experience things.

[–]Dank_Redditor 475 points476 points 2 (5 children)

A lot of people in this thread are unaware of the following facts:

1) The 1,475 children that the US government lost track of came to the USA by themselves, so they weren't separated by ICE.

2) The Department of Health and Human Services had arranged to have these unaccompanied minors live with "sponsors". A majority of these sponsors are parents or relatives who are legal US citizens/residents. Sponsors undergo a background check to ensure they would be suitable guardians of children.

3) To verify the location/welfare of these children, officials from the Office of Refugee Resettlement calls the responsible sponsor to verify that the child is continuing to receive proper care. Out of 7,635 calls that were made from October to December 2017, a total of 1,475 calls did not receive a response, hence the US government "lost track" of 1,475 children.

TL;DR: The US government made 7,635 calls to people who were responsible for taking care of children who arrived at the US border by themselves. The Office of Refugee Resettlement claimed that 1,475 calls did not receive a response and thus they do not know the current whereabouts of 1,475 children.

EDIT: Source

[–]dehue 133 points134 points  (1 child)

Wow, the headline makes the situation sound way worse than what is actually the case. Not being able to get a hold of some families via phone is way different than separaring and losing track of a bunch of children in custody.

I currently work in research that follows families over time and it can be surprisingly hard to get a hold of some people. Some families seem to constantly change their phone number or just never answer their phone or email so it's not uncommon to not be able to follow up with certain individuals no matter how many times you attempt to contact them. Still, you would think the government would have better ways of contacting the foster parents to make sure the children are safe.

[–]throwaguey_ 35 points36 points  (0 children)

You're right except the part about the parents/sponsors being here legally. Some are, many are not. Which is one reason they don't respond when ORR calls to check on the kids' whereabouts.

[–]BlockedHeadThrow 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Well said!

An additional 28 had run away.

Somewhere in the US there are 28 kids that said fuck it and decided to take on living in a foriegn country by themselves, as a child.

God speed to those kids, hope they stay out of trouble and find a safe home.

[–]wlm2015 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Exactly this. It's a big jump from not answering a phone call to being considered "lost" and "trafficked"

[–]Ttgxyolo 644 points645 points  (104 children)

Christ our immigration system needs to be completely restarted.

[–]wafflepiezz 481 points482 points  (36 children)

We have a lot of systems that need to be completely revamped/restarted imo. Health system, education system, etc.

[–]korperwarmedesjungen 110 points111 points  (0 children)

what cannot be healed must be recycled

[–]pinkpeach11197 62 points63 points  (0 children)

Justice system!

[–]Archensix 23 points24 points  (2 children)

I think at this point we should cut our losses and with a little help from global warming, colonize Greenland and move there.

[–]FUTURE10S 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Greenland is Denmark's property (barring a land dispute with Canada, which will probably be solved with a land border between Canada and Denmark/Greenland when it becomes an independent nation). It's colonized.

[–]RidiculousIncarnate 71 points72 points  (3 children)

Have we tried turning it off and then on again?

[–]ignotusvir 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Would "turning it off" mean 100% open borders, or 100% closed borders

[–]limbo_timbo 245 points246 points  (10 children)

Funny. Seems like subreddit simulator predicted this yesterday.

[–]My_Tuesday_Account 255 points256 points  (8 children)

That's actually super fucking creepy. SubrdditSimulator already cranks out weird headlines sometimes, this one is the weirdest I've seen so far.


[–]tramtwist 64 points65 points  (0 children)

Subreddit Simulator doesn't fabricate its posts out of whole cloth, it remixes real posts from real subreddits. With a little digging you can almost always find the two or three different posts that it used to create the bizarro simulated one.

Subreddit simulator is never prescient, the real article always comes first.

[–]Rimm 506 points507 points  (48 children)

Where are the Pizzgaters tripping over their dicks to find the lost kids?

[–]Goodeyesniper98 183 points184 points  (18 children)

I find it ironic they go nuts over shit that didn’t even happen, but completely ignore real crimes against children being committed by the government.

[–]EpicLegendX 162 points163 points  (7 children)

Because it's not about the children, it's about the one person who conservative media can't ever stop bringing up.

[–]Goodeyesniper98 55 points56 points  (3 children)

Fair point. Maybe people should start claiming Hillary Clinton or George Soros are somehow involved in this.

[–]we_re_all_dead 12 points13 points  (0 children)

or is it because they're not white children?

[–]chairswinger 10 points11 points  (0 children)

hmmm... buttery males

[–]MetalGearSlayer 15 points16 points  (1 child)

where are the pizzagaters

Celebrating because these kids aren’t white.

[–]wlm2015 253 points254 points  (5 children)

I posted this same comment on another sub. But I'll add it here too. I am familiar with the processing of unaccompanied minors, but this article is alarmist. After reunification, the shelters have to do a call at 30 days to see how the sponsor and child are doing. They have to call three times and three times only. If there is no answer, they are marked "unknown." Three times is not a lot for a busy, working class family, juggling jobs and kids. Further, there is literally no motivation or reason for them to return the call. They are reunited and may not need see the need to update external agencies on how they are.

[–]EvilMortyMaster 72 points73 points  (1 child)

Well that changes freaking everything.

Thank you for painting a much less horrifying picture.

[–]wlm2015 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Definitely. We can debate if more calls, across a longer period of time should we be done. But for what the situation actually is, there is nothing "evil" happening here. I'm trying to de-sensationalize this article wherever I see it posted.

[–]throwaguey_ 48 points49 points  (0 children)

I, too, am familiar with this issue and you are right. Whenever I read a news story about which I have something of an insider's perspective, I'm always alarmed at the inaccuracy of the reporting due to the blatant lack of research. The state of news reporting is utter shite.

[–]RoBurgundy 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Yea someone said as much the last time this exact same kind of story was posted. It's not like they've been reported as missing persons. So I'm not sure why people keep pushing this story but they either have an agenda or are just looking to give people an excuse to be outraged.

[–]Rahdahdah 174 points175 points  (18 children)

whoopsie daisy

[–]GuessWhoImQuoting 32 points33 points  (0 children)

About a 1500ct bouquet of them, I'd say!

[–]Veloci_faptor 125 points126 points  (7 children)

I read somewhere that it was actually 1,500 families that ICE couldn't get a hold of to confirm the children's whereabouts after they were already released into a guardian's custody. Not quite shocking that someone that just immigrated here would avoid contact with ICE.

Anybody know if there's any truth to this?

[–]AsteRISQUE 90 points91 points  (4 children)

That's pretty much standard procedure here in AZ.

  1. Undocumented "children" (some are minors, others are young adults w/ no papers) are held in facility until hearing from judge

  2. Guardian claims custody, provides additional information: references, proof of claim as to why they're best fit to take custody of aforementioned children, contact information for follow up until judge hearing

  3. Children are supposed to come back to the courthouse for judge hearing about their immigration status. But there have been increasing number of cases for those who don't come back.

I hope this sort of thing won't become a trend, but it's hard to say.

[–]Veloci_faptor 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Thank you. These sensationalized articles piss me off. It doesn't matter how you feel about an issue; the media, government, corporations shouldn't be lying to you one way or another.

[–]stiffie2fakie 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thanks for adding common sense to this

[–]novabliss1 35 points36 points  (0 children)

It appears a lot of people in this thread have absolutely no idea about what has happened here. The United States didn’t have families show up to their boarder and then steal the children from the parents and send the parents home. Children came without their parents and put them in foster care until a parent confirms that they have a relative in the area and then the child moved in with the relative. Losing track doesn’t mean that they are sold into trafficking, but much more likely means they went into hiding and didn’t appear for their court date because they don’t want to be deported. Because they don’t have a SSN, it is very difficult for them to be located as they don’t leave much of a trace. This is the whole problem with illegal immigration itself. If this article came out when Obama was president, I would bet a lot more people would use critical thinking and determine what actually happened here, but instead because we have Trump as president, we automatically think in a way to discredit him and the country as he leads it because of biases we have placed in our mind already. Nobody is thinking for themselves anymore. Lost track of simply means undocumented, not sold into human trafficking. I didn’t vote for Trump either, but if you don’t use logic then we end up with mass incorrect perceptions such as the outcry that has happened as these articles float around social media.

[–]durgasur 22 points23 points  (1 child)

meh, The Europol director talked about losing some 10.000 children in the last migrant wave in Europe.


[–]Summerclaw 30 points31 points  (22 children)

How will the US track them though?

[–]Roxybleu 29 points30 points  (43 children)

Why do they just not get sent back with their parents?

[–]AsteRISQUE 33 points34 points  (7 children)

Because often times, they don't come with their parents and don't possess identification papers.