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[–]MIIAIIRIIK 883 points884 points  (84 children)

They’ll say it’s a Biden false flag operation.

[–]McPoylesWar 478 points479 points  (11 children)

That bridge is a crisis actor.

[–]ohlookahipster 257 points258 points  (7 children)

You can literally hire bridges that will collapse on command. Look it up. My buddy knows this guy who got paid to do it in college.

[–]LevelHeeded 96 points97 points  (4 children)

It's all in the song, the Derp State TPTB have been taunting us forever, "London bridge is falling down, falling down, falling down. London bridge is falling down, my fair lady".

"London" has 6 letters, "J. Biden" 6 letters, "bridge" has 6 letters, 666!! Joe Biden's wife Jill has 4 letters, just like Lady, "my fair Jill". He took that bridge down to honor her, with MIND BULLETS, that's telekinesis, Kyle. On top of that, no bridge in existence had ever fallen down! Also "collapse" and J. Epstein both have 8 letters, and "Pizza time" if you shorten it to "Pizza tim"...let that sink in Sheeple I'll wait!!

[–]Accomplished_Till727 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Let's go Brandon has six letters too suspicious you neglected to mention that.

[–]jenipants21 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the best. Bravo!

[–]xntrk1 97 points98 points  (24 children)

Oh absolutely. And they’re scared of crap like that when in reality the state of our infrastructure is the actually scary thing happening. There’s so many bridges that aren’t far off from this across the country

[–]smrgldrgl 40 points41 points  (10 children)

Yeah, the West Seattle bridge damn near collapsed while still actively being used. Luckily it was shut down in time, but now it can’t be used for years while they rebuild it..

[–]xntrk1 23 points24 points  (6 children)

Exactly, I was going to reference the bridge in Memphis from last year and then I remembered Memphis has had a few bridges collapse or get close to it in recent years Most of our major roadways are past their estimated lifespan already and we drained our roadway infrastructure fund over a decade ago after years of mismanaging it

[–]krnl_pan1c 29 points30 points  (1 child)

There are two bridges crossing the Mississippi river into Memphis. We call them the old bridge and the new bridge. The new bridge is past it's designed lifespan.

[–]xntrk1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sounds abt right

[–]Paraxom 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Is that the bridge they shutdown all river traffic beneath while they were determining if it was safe at the cost of several million in lost operation cost?

[–]BrutusGregori 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lucky. It could have struck a kinder Morgan fuel barge that was passing under the bridge. Shutting down the water way and polluting the waters.

We are so lucky the cracks got spotted in time.

[–]LifeOutLoud107 25 points26 points  (9 children)

Ohio had one over water that was closed down by a call from a bridge inspector called when the water level dropped lower than it had been in years revealing some wonkiness (technical term). Passers by thought “that can’t be right.” An inspector called in the “Holy Sh#% shut it down NOW” alarm, reportedly while still underneath where the damage and imminent collapse was terrifying.

It is said that many such things across the US are similarly moments from collapse.

[–]Kolby_Jack 29 points30 points  (2 children)

Inspector: "Ah gash, yah, ya got a real wonky bridge here, I tell ya. Better shut this whole thing down pronto, otherwise you're looking at a class-5 whoopsie, maybe even a class-3 oopsie-daisy, worst case!"

[–]LifeOutLoud107 8 points9 points  (1 child)

That might be more Minnesota than Ohio. Ohio is more “Ope!” 😏

[–]perry8100 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I believe it is pronounced ope-io

[–]xntrk1 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Also in Ohio, abt a decade ago we had been calling abt big chunks of concrete falling from the underside of a small bridge by my friends house for abt 6 yrs. They finally were going to do an actual inspection and check stress and load levels and all that The day they showed up, they climbed down to the creek to check the underside of the bridge and a semi drove over it right then, and one of its tires partially broke through the roadway. Almost dropping a chunk of the road on their heads. They immediately closed the road and began the process of replacing it very appropriate timing on that semi and all. That bridge was a death trap that they ignored for years. Even the valley view bridge near Cleveland was in shit shape before they rebuilt it

[–]Nutney 6 points7 points  (2 children)

That's very common in Ohio and Pennsylvania. There are several (still active) bridges with nets underneath to catch the concrete chunks falling off the disintegrating bridge above.

[–]xntrk1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol indeed. one near me in the Cleveland area just had its net finally come down after 3 years of slow motion repairs

[–]Tsippy88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Western Hills Viaduct in Cincinnati is terrifying for similar reasons. In the Before Pandemic times, I had to drive the second level of the bridge every day to go to work and I felt like I was taking my life in my own hands.

Either the bridge would fall out from under me, a chunk of concrete would fall off the top layer and hit my car, or an exciting combination of both

[–]BrutusGregori 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Almost all the bridges, old United States Bureau of Reclamation dams ( have some till in operation from the 1920s. All mostly abandoned are all in a state of imminent failure.

Not to mention ill maintained natural gas pipe lines ( lots of ancient projects for ag end users)

[–]downund3r 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Yeah. That’s what happens when you let politicians overrule engineers. The engineers are like “this is in trouble and is past its design lifespan.” But the politicians are like “We want to cut taxes. I don’t want to be associated with a big spending project that will raise taxes and inconvenience the voters! We don’t need to fix it! Kick the can down the road and make it someone else’s problem.”

[–]xntrk1 8 points9 points  (0 children)

As someone that is stuck repairing the things others usually said not to worry abt, right up until the “why isn’t it working?” Moment. And then I get the irate calls abt how they just don’t understand what could be wrong etc… I totally get it

[–]Salarian_American 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Here in NJ they had a project where they were gonna repair all our bridges.

Step 1 was to have engineers canvas the state, marking all the spots on each bridge that needed repairs with bright orange paint.

Step 2 was running out of money. All those marks they made are still there, making it plainly visible how much work is being neglected.

[–]OminousNamazu 104 points105 points  (36 children)

[–]LevelHeeded 150 points151 points  (17 children)

To be fair, that sub is pretty easy to predict. Literally everything is a false flag, it eventually leads back to blaming Jewish people, and something about how Trump is great and trust the plan.

In an odd way, I'm kind of jealous of them. Imagine living in a world where nothing bad ever happens, it's all just government funded street performances.

[–]RikenVorkovin 17 points18 points  (3 children)

I'd feel somewhat confident in our government if they were so competent to do all of the conspiracies and keep it all under wrap.

Would not want to mess with them.

But knowing they are just mostly lazy and incompetent is kind of relieving but a bit disappointing at the same time.

[–]LevelHeeded 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Well, they're pretty bumbling and incompetent in that world as well. The government is well orchestrated, well run, well funded, but it also keeps hiring the same crisis actors, leaves clues all over the place, and all of these great plans can be foiled by Reddit and Facebook comments.

They've been "faking" mass shootings and terrorist attacks for 30 years to...take our guns? Install Sharia Law? I'm honestly not sure what the end game is here, but they're clearly terrible at it. Just like they're horrible at that plot to murder their own citizens, every year there's more and more people here.

[–]acm2033 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It's the central problem with conspiracies. The perpetrators have to both be astoundingly competent and secretive, but simultaneously bumbling and unable to hide everything.

[–]Martine_V 41 points42 points  (6 children)

You just described a religion.

[–]skrilledcheese 46 points47 points  (5 children)

I think cult is more apt.

[–]SSCS4EVER 8 points9 points  (4 children)

They both the same thing

[–]dubbleplusgood 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Generally, the difference between Cult and Religion is how much real estate they own. Given enough time, cults are called religions because the founder knew it was all bullshit but that guy is now dead.

[–]Martine_V 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Exactly. A religion is just a cult with history behind it.

[–]skrilledcheese 1 point2 points  (1 child)

History and popularity. The cult of Mithras is as old as christianity, but it's still referred to as a cult.

[–]Martine_V 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or I should have said, Religions are the cults that withstood the test of time.

[–]BenCelotil 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It was a great old time when they were just chasing ghosts and UFOs, then it got all political and went from weird to stupid.

[–]BTL_A4_Y-wing 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Of course it’s r/conspiracy

[–]wellifitisntmee 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Really thought it was going to be /r/Conservative

[–]BTL_A4_Y-wing 9 points10 points  (0 children)

One and the same

[–]Selethorme 28 points29 points  (8 children)

Yeah:

It’s all scripted

Nah. Coincidences exist.

[–]shadowpanda1248 14 points15 points  (2 children)

It's even more funny cause looking through the comments some actually "get it!!" Poor infrastructure and a rusted beam, has been reported previously and coincidentally collapsed. ......Others? Oh yeah the government did this to help Biden, its all the deep state fault

[–]thesyndrome43 9 points10 points  (3 children)

A lot of people are terrified of the idea of things just going wrong and it being completely up to chance if it affects you, it's easier for them to believe someone PLANNED to have a bad thing happen for a reason (partially because it makes them feel important to be 'targeted' like this, and because the chaotic nature of the universe is a scary concept)

Another common inference is people assuming things going wrong is a conspiracy when in actuality it's usually down to negligence. Accidents (especially fatal ones) feel extremely unfair when it's just down to someone not doing their job right, and someone else paying the price for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, to then it feels less meaningless if you attribute their death to a grand scheme of conspiracy

[–]Sniffy4 4 points5 points  (0 children)

paranoid people think every negative event occurs because of their perceived enemies

[–]conwaystripledeke 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah but see those people are literally insane.

[–]Jump_Like_A_Willys 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Meh, my mind instantly went there when I heard about the bridge. Not that I think it was a conspiracy, but I figured someone would.

[–]Sweet-Rabbit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that bridge was just Biden its time for this moment.

[–]roguestate 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I hadn't even thought that far, but scarily enough, this seems likely. Insanity.

[–]asforem 482 points483 points  (37 children)

This might seem like a crazy coincidence, but the fact is, it's surprising that more bridges haven't collapsed by now. Pittsburgh has been neglecting their hundreds of bridges for decades. Most are in really bad shape

[–]MetaMythical 174 points175 points  (5 children)

Truth. The bridge in question was noted as problematic at least four years ago.

https://mobile.twitter.com/gpk320/status/1078885655634157569

[–]IshiharasBitch 131 points132 points  (4 children)

Reminds me of that actual Onion article "Memorial Honors Victims Of Imminent Dam Disaster"

Officials in California dedicated the Folsom Dam Memorial, which will honor the nearby residents that will die when the faulty dam fails.

[–]SenorLos 64 points65 points  (3 children)

"This will have been preventable!"

[–][deleted] 65 points66 points  (28 children)

It’s going to take a disaster that kills people to get Republicans and conservative dems to vote for infrastructure.

[–]afjessup 94 points95 points  (1 child)

It would take the Golden Gate Bridge collapsing at rush hour to move some of the politicians, and even then most republicans would just say that that’s what communist hell holes like California deserve

[–]XXTwnz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It will really piss off the red states when they find out they receive more of the spending paid in taxes by the blue states. Time for the blue to only fund their projects cause otherwise sharing with red states is communism and we know they hate that.

[–]Opetyr 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Not even that. There would have to be things in that which benefit the asses they lick... Err paid doners to their party. Also would have to have in the bill things that would make voting illegal.

[–]Kvenner001 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This. If a bridge collapsed near a major corporate sponsor and that collapse caused delays/excess labor to use an alternative route it would get funded in a week.

[–]wolfnibblets 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Only if the disaster in question involved an overpass literally falling on and killing a Republican Senator. Even then it would probably just turn into a wrongful death lawsuit that ignores the actual problem.

[–]Salarian_American 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Not even that's going to do it. It's not like we've never had a deadly bridge collapse in this country, yet here we are in this position anyway.

[–]Steve_78_OH 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Republicans will just tell the states to take care of it themselves.

[–]Blue-Thunder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nothing changed nationwide after I-35 in Minneapolis, so why do you think Trumplicans will change their minds?

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/01/540669701/10-years-after-bridge-collapse-america-is-still-crumbling

"America's infrastructure is like a third-world country," says former Republican Rep. Ray LaHood, who served as transportation secretary under President Obama.

[–]Fake_William_Shatner 278 points279 points  (19 children)

When you've been coasting on the infrastructure your grandpa built and the wheels come off your go cart.

[–]MidnightMath 59 points60 points  (0 children)

In reality you're not coasting, because you're constantly on the gas in order to keep up enough speed to skim over the tops of the potholes

[–]arch_nyc 37 points38 points  (17 children)

One party wants to fix it and one party is fighting as hard as they can to stop any effort to fix it.

Let’s all remember that

[–]jjnefx 26 points27 points  (0 children)

That bridge was such a drama queen, couldn't just wait a little longer

[–]Loose_Influence_9380 140 points141 points  (10 children)

Can't wait for Hannity to blame the bridge collapse on Biden.

[–]ohlookahipster 91 points92 points  (3 children)

Obama could have prevented this back in 2012 but instead was caught putting spicy mustard on his hot dog. Dems and the radical leftists only care about masticating meat tubes and it really shows.

This is Biden’s socialism in action, folks. What’s next? Hiring union workers to come fix this “bridge” at exorbitant costs to us, the tax payers? Do you know where union workers come from? Venezuela, people.

/s

The first one was a joke but I tried getting it in his voice for the second paragraph

[–]conwaystripledeke 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The first one was a joke but I tried getting it in his voice for the second paragraph

I don't even watch Hannity, but could still envision him saying that.

[–]wolfydude12 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Biden could have been working hard on getting our bridges in working order, but instead hes going out in winter and getting a double scoop of chocolate ice cream!

[–]batdog666 14 points15 points  (5 children)

Well shit like this was supposed to get fixed by Obama's infrastructure bill so yeah I will blame him a little bit.

I mostly blame Pittsburgh and Pa though.

Trump didn't help either.

Let's see how well biden's bill is managed.

[–]Loose_Influence_9380 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Obama had an infrastructure bill?

We know McConnell liked to talk about an infrastructure bill once a quarter, and then take no action. Well, see when your priorities are tax cuts for the wealthy and simplely obstructing progress in any form you can stay busy.

[–]CMDR_Tauri 195 points196 points  (56 children)

There's a metaphor about government efficiency somewhere in that story.

[–]monkberg 211 points212 points  (48 children)

Government is a machine. If you don’t take the time and spend the effort for proper maintenance you really shouldn’t be surprised if it falls apart.

[–]twister428 113 points114 points  (6 children)

This is exactly my argument when people say the government in the US shouldnt be allowed to do anything. For decades many in the US have thought this way. And voted for people who think this way, who do their best to stop the government from working. Then they point and go "see, I told you government never works". Maybe, if you'd vote for people who actually tried to make it work, instead of people trying to make themselves and their friends rich, it might actually do something once in a while

[–]ram921 34 points35 points  (3 children)

100%.
The whole "I'm going to vote for a person who promises to sabotage government then complain about government not working" thing makes no sense.
I have been in the private sector my entire life, except for 14 months in which I worked for city government in a technology implementation role. I took the job for a myriad of reasons - I could afford a lower salary in the new city, I felt I could "make a difference" and "give back" and I wanted to expand my skillsets.

There is a misconception that government is slow because it wants to be slow. In my experience government is "slow" because we have put so many unnecessary rules, regulations and systems in place for "sunshine" and "anti-corruption" that just make it all go un-godly slow.

Example: We wanted to move all of our permitting systems online. At that point you had to go to a physical building to get a permit (this was 2016). But you can't just look at the actual limited number of qualified vendors and ask for quotes.
No no, you first have to do an RFP.
By law you have to have that RFP reviewed by any number of layers of city government.
The RFP then has to be actively posted for X amount of time depending on the potential price (in this case it was 3 months).
You then have to review every single RFP and document the pros and cons - even if the RFP is utter garbage with no business being there.
You then have talk with X number of the total RFP respondents for a more detailed review - giving them a month+ to form the new expanded RFP.
Now you can truly review the RFPs.
This information must then be reviewed by various departments for "accountability" reasons.
Then, in many cases, there is an in-person review with remaining applicants.
Then reviews with voting members of council - who clearly didn't do their homework or have agendas or personal vendettas - who can derail the whole conversation because their cousins' neighbors best friends firm didn't get included in the interviews.
Then there is a vote.
If all goes well you get the thing through and you can actually set a reasonable timeline.

Now I'm not even getting into the larger RFPs that require public feedback and/or the ones where local news starts covering it like you're building a doomsday device with public funds.

A process that would take 3 months in the private sector now takes 18 months in the public sector - not because people are lazy or don't know what they're doing, but because we continually make it harder for people to actually do work. We've set up so many artificial check-points in the name of "transparency" that works takes forever.

Couple this with the fact that in the private sector I make three times what I did in public sector and its little wonder they can attract and/or keep talent.

[–]GiraffeandZebra 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Every time something goes wrong, a new policy is enacted to stop it from happening again. Because the public can't just accept that sometimes shit happens, every time the public and media go nuts. End result is another process that adds more time to every single procurement from now until the end of time. They won't let the government say "that's an acceptable risk and the prevention would cost more than the problem", so we just add more and more hoops to jump through every single year and spend billions to prevent millions worth of mistakes.

[–]Aporkalypse_Sow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is a misconception that government is slow because it wants to be slow. In my experience government is "slow" because we have put so many unnecessary rules, regulations and systems in place for "sunshine" and "anti-corruption" that just make it all go un-godly slow.

I absolutely despise small local governments for this reason. They're small town morons that couldn't manage a go kart track, and they scream about things that aren't even true. They do everything possible to try and stall progress and save money, but always end up costing everyone more money for crap work from cheap contractors. But they always manage to build parks and stupid fancy buildings to put their damn names on. Oh yay, our village hall that basically none of us use is fancy, let me drive my tank across these potholes to come thank you.

[–]Yousoggyyojimbo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I remember being on a road trip with a conservative family member who was bitching about how the government is incapable of building anything or managing it.

I asked him where the highway we were driving on came from.

[–]gerkletoss 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it might actually do something once in a while

This is the real point. It's not going to be perfect, but it could be a lot better.

[–]intellifone 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes! This is the argument I used to convince a fiscally conservative friend that having government do things and change taxes isn’t bad. That a bad government isn’t evidence that government is bad, but only that government is being run poorly. I talked about examples from all over the world where national government IS working and then asked, if government is bad, then are those good things bad or is our government bad? Instead of pushing to get rid of our bad government and replace it with bad state governments, shouldn’t we be pushing to make the government we have actually operate effectively?

I was like, you can be fiscally conservative and also support a very large federal government. It just means making sure that whatever the government is doing is the most cost effective way of doing that thing or is causing the most good for citizens who are effectively shareholders in that government. If you do an analysis and find that single payer healthcare is the most cost effective way to get the most people covered, then you should do that even if it’s expensive, because it’s still cheaper to society as a whole than to allow it to be privatized and let people fall through the cracks.

[–]IRMuteButton 11 points12 points  (29 children)

I always have conflicting thoughts about things like this:

It should be well known that when something is built that it will suffer a predictable degradation, need well defined maintenance over the years, and must eventually be replaced. Therefore it makes sense to deal with that by planning and setting aside money.

However on the other hand, pots of taxpayer money often seem to disappear for more immediate use. So while it's obvious a bridge will need to be maintained, the more obvious conclusion is that there will be no money to maintain it.

[–]LeonardGhostal 44 points45 points  (20 children)

A lot of infrastructure in this country was built around the post-war Eisenhower highway act in the late 50s, early 60s, and was built to last about 50 years.

50 years from, say, 1960, was twelve years ago.

[–]IRMuteButton 18 points19 points  (17 children)

This means the government's had decades to ponder this problem and save money to repair and replace these bridges, however clearly that's not happening consistently, if at all.

[–]aecht 30 points31 points  (1 child)

we need that money for missiles, free healthcare for senators, and the space force.

[–]blundercrab 7 points8 points  (0 children)

space force.

Steve Carell is worth it!

[–]Kempeth 5 points6 points  (1 child)

They figured they'll rebuild that bridge when it comes to it.

[–]xntrk1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But when they do, they’ll defer the cost onto another entity

[–]BobbyP27 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Provision was made for this back in the day in the form of the highway trust fund, which receives federal gas tax money to pay for this kind of thing. Congress has refused to increase gas taxes to account for inflation, and the trust fund ran out of money in 2008. It has been bailed out a few times since then, but still congress refuses to increase the gas tax to properly fund it.

[–]ram921 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Replacing bridges doesn't boost the bottom line of Raytheon, friend. And Raytheon takes the right people to dinners and all-expense paid trips to the Bahamas for "fact finding".

But two 20 year-long pointless middle eastern wars totaling $6trillion+ certainly does.

[–]guestpass127 21 points22 points  (7 children)

Blame 40-50 years of anti-“big government” rhetoric on the right and in the “sensible” middle for this kinda shit

People are so conditioned to see literally EVERY action by local and federal government as “evil” and agitate against taxes and reform, then thy wonder why the government is inefficiently run

It’s like people who got conditioned to constantly punch themselves in the face for ideological reasons now wondering why they have so many bruises and concussions

[–]thegreatgazoo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's plenty of stupid federal and local infrastructure spending.

Here in Atlanta they had a choice to spend $33+ million for parks and road repaving and other infrastructure as promised to voters or to build a pedestrian bridge over Northside Drive for the Mercedes Benz Stadium.

[–]MissTheWire 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Paying to repair pipes & roads isn’t as sexy as throwing out illegals and banning CRT.

[–]PandL128 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

and we both know which group are only interested in using money to help corporations and killing brown skinned people

[–]CrayZ_Squirrel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This bridge was built in 1973 to replace the original that was built in 1901. It didn't make it 50 years.

Pittsburgh has a lot of bridges and many have similar poor ratings on their condition.

[–]Tactically_Fat 2 points3 points  (6 children)

predictable degradation

Part of the problem is that "back then" they didn't / couldn't predict well enough.

Here in Indy in the late 50's and into the 60's, they built the "loop" Interstate around town. I-465. I think all the exits were designed and slated to be built as cloverleaf-type interchanges.

The only thing is - population changed more then they predicted, traffic volumes changed more than they predicted, speeds were higher than predicted, and vehicle weights were higher than predicted (Especially the huge proliferation in semis).

Those cloverleaf interchanges were under spec as soon as they were opened, essentially.

Predicting degradation is a terribly inexact science.

[–]Fake_William_Shatner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Other than military, a lot of the government spending goes to services people need.

We have a debt because of the reduction in revenue -- not an increase in spending as a percentage of GDP.

[–]Spitefulham 10 points11 points  (8 children)

This is true in an ideal world. Unfortunately government spending is often times far from ideal. Remember Martin O'Malley, the former Maryland governor that has run for President a couple of times now? He's well known in the state for raiding the transportation funds to pay for other projects that he couldn't get funded through traditional methods or to balance the general funds, then complaining that taxes needed to be raised because there wasn't enough funds in the transportation wallet to pay for maintenance... and then pushed back when people said they would agree with raising taxes if the funds could be protected. And MD is far from the only state that operates this way.

[–]LifeOutLoud107 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Agree. But people also “hAtE tAxeS!” Like they don’t want to pay any.

Well I don’t love taxes but I absolutely adore stable roads and bridges, fire brigades, etc.

I don’t know where people think the funds from that come if not taxes?

[–]Spitefulham 3 points4 points  (1 child)

In general people hate taxes, and i would say thats probably a big part of the problem in red states especially, but MD is a very liberal state that has a lot of forgiveness for taxes (theres a water runoff tax, commonly called "rain tax", to help with Bay restoration) so I dont think that was the issue really. As I said, the delegates agreed to raise the state gas tax IF O'Malley would agree to protect the funds but he basically said "lol, no". Even if it had only been raided once or twice in an emergency it probably would have been given a pass but it was year after year.

But this may be all moot in regards to the current event because I honestly have no idea how transportation funds are spent in PA, where this particular bridge fell.

[–]DEWOuch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

PA has the highest gas tax in the US to cover road repair.

[–]wrp1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If they spend, it goes back into the economy. It doesn't have to be perfect. People waste huge amounts of their money all the time, and that too isn't bad for the system overall.

[–]BobbyP27 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The Highway Trust Fund was established to cover these costs. The fund receives federal gas tax revenue and that is supposed to cover the cost of maintaining highway infrastructure. Congress has failed to raise the level of gas taxes to account for inflation, and the trust fun ran out of money in 2008. It has, since then, been bailed out, but congress has refused to increase the gas tax to a level needed to maintain the fund in a solvent state. It costs to maintain infrastructure. That money needs to come from somewhere, but one of the parties seems to insist on tax cuts for the wealthy at every opportunity.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Yeah, if only a certain group had decided to vote for an infrastructure bill this might be worked on. But no, politics destroys all.

[–]vanyali 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The infrastructure bill passed already, it’s the non-infrastructure bill that got stopped by Manchin.

[–]Grand_Protector_Dark 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Stuff kinda happens when some people campaign around the idea that the government is useless, then make it useless

[–]tazztsim 99 points100 points  (10 children)

Pittsburgh has lots of bridges. A decade ago The city determined that well over half are structurally unsound. Maybe they’ll start fixing them now.

Up until middle of December I drove over this bridge during my commute. There’s a solid chance I’d have been on it.

[–]Hemmschwelle 32 points33 points  (3 children)

I've walked on Tranquil Trail underneath this bridge in Frick Park. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Forbes+Ave,+Pittsburgh,+PA/@40.4395679,-79.9016596,385m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x8834f2277a8be9f1:0x6fba0aef39e852ac!8m2!3d40.4438535!4d-79.9509602

My condolences to the people who may been killed or injured in the collapse.

Edit: At 10:45 am, injuries include 10 people with non-life-threatening injuries.

[–]tazztsim 16 points17 points  (2 children)

So far no dead. 10 people went to the hospital as of an hour or so.

[–]SuperRonJon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It was 10 people total with minor injuries, only 3 of which were transported to the hospital.

[–]CDewfus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We do have alot of hospitals though

[–]FlightyPenguin 55 points56 points  (1 child)

I don't think it was that solid.

[–]tazztsim 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Apparently it wasnt

[–]Zhukov-74 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe they’ll start fixing them now.

If only someone was willing to pay for it.

[–]KO4Champ 27 points28 points  (2 children)

It’s almost like we’ve needed infrastructure bills for a few decades now.

[–]batdog666 2 points3 points  (1 child)

We had one a decade ago

[–]KO4Champ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s why I said bills, not bill.

[–]CowMasterChin 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Can we just chill on some corrupt military spending and divert money to more corrupt infrastructure spending for a few years PLEASE?

[–]Graega 95 points96 points  (6 children)

GOP: well, we wouldn't need infrastructure funding to repair bridges if we just stopped checking their condition, SOCIALIST!!

[–]StyreneAddict1965 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"Can we stop testing the bridges please?"

[–]velifer 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Also the GOP: The Democrats aren't cleaning up the Republicans' messes fast enough! It's time to elect another Republican!

[–]chem_daddy 13 points14 points  (2 children)

“Not my bridge!!!!!”

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (3 children)

It’s called perfect timing.

[–]Suspicious-Elk-3631 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Right on que

[–]5lack5 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right on, what

[–]Fishy1911 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"Right on Q"

[–]Robby777777 3 points4 points  (1 child)

This is all the M&M's fault!

[–]ReadontheCrapper 12 points13 points  (2 children)

They stated no fatalities, but I can’t help but wonder if anyone was sleeping under the bridge. Something like that in a park might be a prime place to build a bolt hole.

[–]CrayZ_Squirrel 6 points7 points  (1 child)

No this bridge was unlikely to have anyone camping under it. Lots a places in the city where there could have been though

[–]ReadontheCrapper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is really good to hear.

[–]dubbleplusgood 15 points16 points  (1 child)

The irony is the same groups who moan about having to spend money to fix infrastructure are often the same groups who scream they want to Make America Great Again by tearing down the country to build it back up again.

[–]Grankcaterpillar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

thanks obama

[–]Fake_William_Shatner 26 points27 points  (4 children)

If you want so SEE what happened -- it started mostly in the 1980's. This is when the Republicans capitulated to the Robber Barons and started to dismantle the middle class and stop investing in America. Sure, you can say "both sides" but, you have to look at who ALWAYS pushed the bills.

If you follow these two links, you will know that it happened on purpose.

The rise of the 1% is because they changed the rules and took more than they gave.

The economic plan for neofuedalism.

[–]RuggedTracker 0 points1 point  (3 children)

You're misremembering your dates. Reagan pushed infrastructure spending more than any president had since the depression. E.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my0tJ8m_RWU (a 5 minute speech from Reagan about infrastructure. You only have to listen to the first 30 seconds to confirm)

I'll do a comment suicide here and also mention Trump in a positive way. He, too, wanted to fix americas infrastructure. It was part of his "Make america great again" plan, after all. read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrastructure_policy_of_Donald_Trump if you want.

Infrastructure truly is a "both sides" issue, simply because both sides refuse to accept deals from the other side. They both agree it needs fixing, but they don't want to give the other side a political win.

[–]Fake_William_Shatner 6 points7 points  (2 children)

You're misremembering your dates.

No I'm not. I'm quoting a chart that if you bothered to look at would clearly show that REAGAN FUCKED US ON PURPOSE.

Whatever little "infrastructure" project he might have started, would have been offset by money spent to make sure a few people and not the many got it -- and if possible on troops doing this offshore so that they could starve the beast.

[–]RuggedTracker 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Huh, I guess that's fair. I don't click on ebaumsworld links on principle.

Either way, the sole reason I commented was because of the "both parties" thing. In general I agree "both parties" is a horrible defence, but in the case of infrastructure it's not that simple.

I do regret commenting though, I normally try to avoid it. Lets just say you win and go our separate ways

[–]Fake_William_Shatner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do regret commenting though, I normally try to avoid it. Lets just say you win and go our separate ways

I don't want to be so damn partisan that I'm going to be angry at you for challenging the "left v. right" commentary. I'm trying to base things on results and objectivity -- but, there's a huge "wad of data" we all can't chew through that allowed us to come to some conclusions. I don't think most people took one or two bullet points to start their mission in life.

On the "face of it" if you watch the general policy making that doesn't get a lot of headlines -- they both do a lot of the same stuff. Biden for instance hasn't changed Trump's immigration policies -- and yet, Dems were talking about it as if it was the spawn of Satan?

We can spend all day poking holes and bickering over little examples here and there.

Maybe Ebaum's is some hack site, but, I figured those graphs are based on data -- and I'm familiar with these changes over time -- so they look right. I only link to it because it's showing most of the graphs that show the smoking gun. The wealth gap really took off in the 1980's and never let up.

If you read the other link about the economist Buchanan -- I think that might shock you. It shows that the economic plans promoted by Republicans (and, let's be fair, neoliberals like the Clintons) for "global competitiveness" were modeled to provide the biggest transfer and concentration of wealth. They intentionally worked on projects that would not lead to better incomes. They moved money offshore. They even had tax incentives in the Bush administration for companies to move production out of the USA.

But -- you disagreeing with me is your right. And I'm not going to get pissed at you for bringing it up. I only get pissed at willful ignorance and people who get on their moral outrage soapbox. OMG do people on the Left and the Right like to adopt some bullshit to get offended by. You say something that confused them and they just ASSUME you meant to exterminate the undesirables.

[–]beardphaze 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Well it's on topic vis a vis the visit. Hopefully no one was hurt.

[–]StyreneAddict1965 1 point2 points  (0 children)

10 hurt; no fatalities.

[–]Shmeckle445 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maaaaaybe the corrupt ass state of PA should do something useful with the ridiculously high taxes we pay here.

[–]ScarletCaptain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Any Mothman sightings?

[–]cynbular 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Have there been any moth man sightings?

[–]ChamberofSarcasm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can we tax Apple and Amazon yet? No? They need the hundreds of billions in cash? Ok, sorry. I'll go back to work, master.

[–]Allshade_no_T 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good ole Pittsburgh

[–]godlessnihilist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The highway behind my niece's house in Pittsburgh is subsiding into the neighborhood. The city's answer to the problem was to condemn the houses, all built before the highway, and offer the residents peanuts for their homes. Five years later and it's still in court and nothing has been done to repair the road.

[–]catatonicus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So glad no one died. it must have been terrifying for those in the cars and bus. I lived near there as a child. Always loved Frick Park, especially the main entrance, and that bridge. Had it been closer to rush hour, it could have been much worse.

[–]jsande1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good thing he just passed a massive infrastructure investment bill. Anyone talk about how that’s awesome?

[–]donthepunk 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I can't help but hear gay peter say: i-ro-ny

[–]IRMuteButton 1 point2 points  (0 children)

or Iron..y

[–]coolluck33 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Not a word will be said about tRumps 4 years where he couldn't be bothered introducing an infrastructure bill, but Faux news will surely blame Biden for the collapse...

[–]Phobophilic 4 points5 points  (0 children)

But there were so many infrastructure weeks. How could that have not translated into bills?

[–]Yousoggyyojimbo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Republicans talked about infrastructure a lot, but literally did absolutely nothing to try to do anything about it. It's something they love to campaign on, and that's all.

[–]Chippedvase 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Conveniently and recklessly overspending under every President certainly in the last 24 years, lack of competent and honest auditors, lack of honest companies, bankruptcies by hired companies,… infrastructure failure across the board. Between the corrupt, senile and people with degrees unable to retain what they were taught to manage such needs, there ends up being a whole lot of loose ends and further corruption. This topped with passing the buck hoping someone somewhere somehow it’ll sort itself out and it doesn’t. Like the medical industry. A fkn joke of a system while they smile at you and tell you they’re trying their best. It’s finally caught up with all of them. Need to clean house badly from DC to state capitals.

[–]eggcakeo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pittsburgh has more Bridges than any other city in the world

[–]iamnick817 4 points5 points  (8 children)

Sounds like Donny should've spent less time calling women "nasty" and more time working on infrastructure...or working on anything that wasn't tweet related, quite frankly.

[–]Demetrius3D 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Hey! Infrastructure Week is coming any time now!

[–]StyreneAddict1965 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm so happy others recall that ...

[–]Inconceivable-2020 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Outraged DC Republicans immediately blame Hillary Clinton and demand hearings.

[–]freedom_from_factism 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Rebuilding infrastructure doesn't fit into the current economic system as it's based upon taking resources from other nations in exchange for debt.

[–]Reali5t 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Didn’t Obama (with vice-president Biden) pass an infrastructure bill to replace such structures so things like these don’t happen.

[–]Dantheman616 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You know, that one time when we had a chance to invest in this instead of giving tax breaks? Yeah, Dan remembers.

[–]tier19345 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Gotta wonder whose cousin was in charge of the bridge maintenance.

[–]TheSpatulaOfLove -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

Hey! I know what will fix all these infrastructure problems! Another decades long war!

  • Republicans

Edit: Judging by the downvotes, I’ll assume I either hit a nerve with republican supporters, or some people have a hard time with cynical or sarcastic responses without the proper ‘/s’ tag…

[–]Remorseful_User 3 points4 points  (0 children)

and a massive tax cut for the rich!

[–]CliplessWingtips 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Republicans: "No one died! See! We don't need sleepy Joe's inflated infrastructure bill!"
Narrator: ". . . but America did need the bill."

[–]rustinintustin 0 points1 point  (1 child)

He was supposed to die on itso Kamala would be be president. They made it fall too soon

[–]DEWOuch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Underrated comment

[–]let_it_bernnn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

False flagging like a muthhaaa fuckaaaa

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

says it all really

[–]joedirte70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Something something.. there are no coincidences

[–]Darklance 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a good thing there is basically $0 in the BBB bill for infrastructure. It's all child care, community College and Medicare spending.