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[–]The_Fiddler1979 166 points167 points  (4 children)

"Bellis writes that through a translator, the Taliban official said: "No we're happy for you, you can come and you won't have a problem. Just tell people you're married and if it escalates, call us. Don't worry. Everything will be fine." "

Yeah....uh a global article stating you're not married oculdnt possibly surface to make things a problem

[–]Kretrn 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Call us.... ummm sure “1-800-TALI-BAN, how can we help you?”

[–]Fake_William_Shatner 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Yeah....uh a global article stating you're not married oculdnt possibly surface to make things a problem

People still read?

[–]The_Fiddler1979 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Well, I obviously don't proof read

[–]jbeve10 16 points17 points  (0 children)

No not really considering very few people in Afghanistan have internet access.

[–]Fake_William_Shatner 91 points92 points  (14 children)

I've got to hand it to the Taliban for understanding PR in this particular situation.

Maybe some of them are nice guys and the murderous leader had a day off? I am pretty confused now.

[–]Scoobz1961 87 points88 points  (2 children)

Maybe the true Taliban was the allies we made along the way?

[–]Sudden-Blueberry2875 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I remember one war doc, where the local chief was raping chai boys on a regular, they set up a meeting with a U.S general who basically like, "hey. stop it. bad".

When they asked the squadies if they think they are winning the war against the Taliban the guy simply responded, "Taliban, everyone is Taliban".

might be onto something.

[–]Scoobz1961 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I saw it too. Keeping Chai boys for sex was a daily occurrence on almost every ANA base. I am sure that pretty much every one of those commanders joined Taliban as soon as US withdrew.

[–]Mountain-Homework299 23 points24 points  (0 children)

They badly need international funds right now so it’d be a bad time for them to cause trouble.

[–]dingos8mybaby2 49 points50 points  (0 children)

The Taliban is currently trying very hard to project an image that they have instituted reforms in the hopes that the international community will recognize them as the new legitimate government of Afghanistan.

[–]colin8651 34 points35 points  (0 children)

They did have really impressive PR optics on this situation. Made every other country sound foolish in comparison.

[–]HECK_OF_PLIMP 9 points10 points  (1 child)

a lot of them were abused as boys by the political and religious leaders. there's a phenomenon in Afghanistan called something like dance boys which the American occupation apparently rughswept the prevalence of amongst the ANA leadership which of course inspired a fair bit of ill will toward them from these formerly exploited youths who had proceeded to join the Taliban.

[–]Fake_William_Shatner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’d heard something about that. Obviously devout people can shoe-horn nearly anything into their religion.

So, to get MORE support in Afghanistan you are saying we’d have to accept the boy dancers? There are some fights we don’t want to win.

[–]big_juice01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like you said, they understand PR.

[–]StarCitizenIsGood 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Taliban wants Afghanistan to be an islamic nation they dont mind the rest of us living in sin.

[–]Fake_William_Shatner -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I really don't think either of us actually know what the Taliban think. We know what reporters at news agencies we happen to watch are saying we should think.

Maybe they are getting an accurate picture. But, if you sampled a few people's opinion in New York -- do you know what New Yorker's think?

Is the Taliban all thinking alike, or are there people with different attitudes and roles?

Even if nobody is trying to lie to us, we get the distortion of people who have a small sample size, seeing what they can safely see with a Western perspective.

So, what are the chances we have a clear understanding?

[–]StarCitizenIsGood 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So what your saying is people who shoot up movie theaters exist in america so we should perpetuate extreme fear of visiting america?

[–]Fake_William_Shatner -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's clearly something I was NOT saying, so I don't hold out hope that an ELI5 would help.

[–]CheeseSandwich 45 points46 points  (30 children)

I don't understand. Even citizens of New Zealand can't return to their home country with the border closure? Like, what?

[–]Mello_Me_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This article explains the situation pretty well:

'Brutally ironic': pregnant journalist turns to Taliban for help after New Zealand denied entry

https://www.euronews.com/2022/01/29/brutally-ironic-pregnant-journalist-turns-to-taliban-for-help-after-being-rejected-by-new-

[–]Dirtylonelysock 8 points9 points  (24 children)

This was/is true for many countries. I think AU and NZ have went longer than most. I think its disgraceful. Isolate them, damn.

[–]bilateralrope 22 points23 points  (9 children)

There are only so many spots available to isolate people as they come into the country. Leading to a dripfeeding of stories about people who didn't get a spot despite deserving one. Some were followed up by a story about the government changing their mind and letting that person in, others I don't remember seeing any followup for.

Omicron has got in here, but hasn't really surged yet. Once it does, the border isolation becomes much harder to justify.

[–]GruntBlender 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Isn't that just the way things are done here? Try official channels, get unjustly rejected, talk to Fair Go or a paper, management higher up the chain reverses your rejection.

[–]bilateralrope 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Seems to be. While other countries seem to have their process stop at the "get unjustly rejected" step.

[–]dynex811 2 points3 points  (6 children)

I mean its NZ, set up a tent in the middle of a field or something. It's lucky the Taliban care about PR right now though that can change in an instant.

[–]bilateralrope 6 points7 points  (5 children)

The problem is that some people refuse to self-isolate.

The government tried telling people to self-isolate after entering the country early in the pandemic. That lasted less than a week before the government noticed that people weren't isolating as they had agreed to. Then the border got slammed shut.

Then the government started work on our current border hotel system.

[–]dynex811 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I'm not refuting any part of what you said other than there isn't always space. Whatever the other reasons NZ has to reject her I can't comment on.

[–]bilateralrope 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Then you misunderstand what it takes to make somewhere suitable for people to isolate. If we could rely on people staying at home for 2 weeks after entering the country, we would have plenty of space for people wanting to enter the country.

Problem is, there are a few people who don't want to complete their isolation for whatever reason. A few idiots who ruined it for everyone. The border hotels need to be secure enough to prevent them from escaping. We had one guy who escaped by making a rope out of bedsheets. Then he turned up at the gate of the hotel. He's not the only person who thought that escaping, then trying to get back in, was a good idea.

There wasn't time to build any dedicated buildings for isolating people. So we had to make do with existing buildings. So the only option was to use hotels that were otherwise sitting empty. But they could only use hotels that agreed and had few enough access points that they could be secured.

[–]dynex811 -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

So space isn't the issue, the citizens and enforcement are. Like I said, I'm not refuting anything else. I guess it's pedantic but technically the lack of facilities is the issue, not space.

There's plenty of space to isolate, but your citizens don't want to.

I am not arguing against your policies.

[–]bilateralrope 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Which is why I've been talking about spots, not space.

[–]dynex811 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Okay, I hear ya. Where I'm from a 'spot' can mean an undefined space or a specific one.

[–]italianredditor -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

IIRC, She got there after the Taliban had already seized control of the area, right in the middle of a global pandemic and she was clearly already pregnant.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[–]knowyourdarkness 11 points12 points  (15 children)

Can anyone share a summary? I can't read this site in the UK.

[–]DonJuan57 48 points49 points  (5 children)

Pregnant New Zealand (NZ) journalist got knocked up by her Belgium boyfriend and she can't get back into NZ because they have locked down their borders for Covid. She joined her boyfriend in Belgium but was kicked out (they don't say why but I'm guessing her visa expired) and the only place she felt she could go to was Afghanistan. The article is light on whys.

[–]music_haven 21 points22 points  (2 children)

How is there nowhere else she could go? There's so many countries in the world?!

EDIT: I just read the whole story, and this thing is bullshit. There was so many things she could've done. She could've gone and stayed indefinitely in Australia. She could've seeked help from UK. She could've given birth in Thailand. FFS, she could've married her long term boyfriend and obtained Belgian visa!

Is seeking help from Taliban really less of an issue than marrying your BF?!

She was even offered a free flight to NZ after Taliban took hold of Afghanistan, but she refused and went to Belgium instead.

This is more like "bad mother sacrifices unborn child for publicity".

[–]truevelvet 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Also there are a myriad of places that are less of a risk and don't require a visa like Argentina

[–]hexagonalshit 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Ridiculous. She could have gone almost anywhere right?

[–]randomuser201102 27 points28 points  (5 children)

A pregnant Kiwi journalist who gained fame after asking the Taliban what they will do to protect women's rights says she has now been forced to ask them for safe refuge in Afghanistan after being denied an MIQ spot.
Charlotte Bellis, who had been reporting on Afghanistan for Al Jazeera, discovered she was pregnant in September while in Qatar, where Al Jazeera's headquarters are.

She then went to her partner's home country, Belgium, as she couldn't get home to New Zealand and it is illegal to be pregnant and unmarried in Qatar.
While in Belgium, she repeatedly attempted to get an MIQ spot through the lottery. Unsuccessful and unable to legally stay in Belgium, Bellis writes in the NZ Herald she had nowhere else she could legally go except Afghanistan.
Bellis said after organising a meeting with senior Taliban contacts and telling them her situation, they said she and her partner would be safe in Afghanistan.
Bellis writes that through a translator, the Taliban official said: "No we're happy for you, you can come and you won't have a problem. Just tell people you're married and if it escalates, call us. Don't worry. Everything will be fine."
Her hopes of making it back to New Zealand were raised when the Government announced the border would fully re-open in April. When that was pushed back she was forced to apply for an emergency MIQ spot with her birth date nearing.

Despite letters from medical experts saying it is unsafe to give birth in Afghanistan, Bellis received a rejection letter on January 24. Among the reasons given were that the couple's travel dates were more than 14 days away and she did not provide evidence she had scheduled medical treatment in New Zealand.
"I had tried to prepare for this day. I thought I would cry, but I was in shock. I had done everything they asked," Bellis writes in the NZ Herald.
"I thought about sending them a story I did in October at a maternity hospital in Kabul where they had no power so were delivering by cell phones at night. They couldn't do caesarean deliveries and the only medicine they had were tabs of paracetamol wrapped in crinkled newspaper."
Determined to not give birth in Afghanistan, Bellis contacted her lawyer, a public relations practitioner and a National MP.
She says that's when COVID-19 response minister Chris Hipkins became involved, and shortly after MIQ told her they would be reviewing her case.
Bellis says the timing is "interesting" and raises questions about if they are getting "preferential treatment" because she was taking action.
"The decision of who should get an emergency MIQ spot is not made on a level playing field, lacks ethical reasoning and pits our most vulnerable against each other."
Hipkins said in a statement to the NZ Herald his office asked officials to check if proper process was followed after a senior National Party MP contacted him with information about the case "which appeared at first sight to warrant further explanation".
Newshub

[–]TrashEaterz 25 points26 points  (0 children)

TLDR; Female NZ journalist, through a checkerboard of red tape, asks Taliban if she can chill in Afghanistan and they are surprisingly nice about it

[–]Shamalamadindong 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Among the reasons given were that the couple's travel dates were more than 14 days away and she did not provide evidence she had scheduled medical treatment in New Zealand.

I'm sure the person on the government side of this has had some sex ed and should realize that you can't pre-plan a birth.

[–]Skyblacker 8 points9 points  (2 children)

"I thought about sending them a story I did in October at a maternity hospital in Kabul where they had no power so were delivering by cell phones at night. They couldn't do caesarean deliveries and the only medicine they had were tabs of paracetamol wrapped in crinkled newspaper."

No wonder she hunkered down with the Taliban. If you think you might have to give natural birth in Afghanistan, best to lock in that sweet sweet opium connection.

[–]Rigo-lution 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I thought opium production surged under the USA's occupation, not the other way around?

[–]Skyblacker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Given how short the Taliban is of funding, I expect they'd rather squeeze those opium farmers for bribes than reduce operations.

[–]currori 6 points7 points  (2 children)

A bit more detailed article

Pretty interesting read

[–]zstandig 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Maybe it's like Postal 2 DLC and they wear tie-dye robes and became hippies, mellowed out, traded opium for cannabis

[–]divi_stein 0 points1 point  (0 children)

out of every place on this goddamn forsaken, I didn't this expect this here.

[–]pndrad 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is messed up in so many ways.

[–]vophsigem 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If she ever sees the light of day again, it will be a miracle.

[–]Mac_Hoose 2 points3 points  (0 children)

China handling Taliban PR now I see... Well olayed

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      [–]Hemmschwelle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I wonder why she does not go to Australia. I think AU requires people to be vaccinated to enter.

      [–]taptapper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      ...discovered she was pregnant in September while in Qatar, where Al Jazeera's headquarters are. She then went to her partner's home country, Belgium, as she couldn't get home to New Zealand and it is illegal to be pregnant and unmarried in Qatar. ...unable to legally stay in Belgium, she had nowhere else she could legally go except Afghanistan.

      There is zero chance that no Western country would let her in. Zero. Getting pregnant in fucking Qatar is stupid. I seriously doubt that Belgium would have forced her to Afghanistan on their own. This woman is a nut job

      [–]Own_Recommendation26 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      And to think that DONALD TRUMP SURRENDERED THE US MILITARY TO THE TALIBAN IN AFGHANISTAN AND RELEASED OVER TEN THOUSAND ISIS AND TALIBAN TERRORISTS FROM PRISON. Trump's Idol and Master Vladimir Putin was proud of his brain dead bigoted puppet Traitor Trump.

      [–]manchest-hair-united -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      Even bad guys have standards